I played Rivals 2 early

[@evilded2]

I think this comment section is a very interesting... So I know you all are smash players and you aren't used to having new games but, it seems like it should be common knowledge that when Fighting Games first are played the level of play is lower. For the first few months movement and damage are going to look weaker because players haven't had time to optimize it yet. This is very well documented and entirely normal.

[@Kragglover2003]

Good comment. Yea people are easy and quick to judge and unfortunately people will see the beta and think this is top level or the final product lol

[@Preteristboy]

But I want it to be perfect noooooooooooooow. 😢

[@weesticles650]

Yep, that's also why grapplers do better at the start of a games life cycle than they do at the end of them. They're the easiest characters to pick up and do absurd amounts of damage with. However as the game progresses and people learn how to optimize punishes, comboes and neutral then grapplers in fighting games tend to go from high tier to lower tier pretty quickly. For a Smash Bros version of this think of Smash 4 Bowser.

[@lief5957]

@@weesticles650 or smash ultimate k rool lmao

[@dreux_]

holy riderrr 💀

[@Eterco]

Seeing Alpha playing a good old platform fighter again feels great

[@nebulisnoobis102]

Especially since it’s the sequel to an already great one he used to play

[@GmNdWtchr96]

"Lost in the sauce?" I hope funny chicken move makes a comeback.

[@peshomighty5051]

Furrybait downvote

[@chungo.]

​@@peshomighty5051?

[@borthYT]

seeing a lot of ultimate heads in the comments, gotta say having played the game on the beta weekends, it feels completely different from that game. Biggest difference is movement for sure with wave dashing and moonwalking, but the combo game is also completely different. There is a lot more hitstun in this game, for better or for worse depending on who you are, and combo di matters a lot more. If you just hold in, basically any character in the game can true 0 to death you, and that's also kinda how it was in rivals 1. This makes combos a lot more buildabear, you can't always do the same thing. You have to react to di in real time. It's a lot more like Melee than ultimate, but it still has an entirely different feel and personality to either, so I do think it fills a niche in the platform fighter genre. I also think it will be a lot better competitively than ultimate, but that's just me. Nothing beats melee competitively though full stop.

[@IsaacG97]

I don’t think having an Ultimate background is bad necessarily for this game, but you definitely need to be in the Melee/PM mindset. Or better yet Rivals 1

[@afterstaar]

"final smash ass grab" and its just mewtwo foward throw

[@mr.noodle6931]

To be fair mewtwo forward throw is also a final smash ass grab

[@icenovice]

This game is so cool that it's hard NOT to get lost in the sauce.

[@WERM2285]

27:39 Up B hits Kragg, knocking him down onto the pillar. The Up Special then hits the pillar, putting Kragg into freefall. Insane

[@atticusv668]

The context of knowing Rickles is a Ganon main definitely explained a lot. Everything he did was for the love of clips.

[@stephenrichter8940]

Loxodont is giving strong DDD vibes for pretty much all the moves, except he just actually functions

[@popsickle_]

I like the first one better (visually), i just think the 2d aspect with the animations and everything, including the vibe just fit so much better, while the first ones style being more iconic And not even just that, it feels like it just lost a lot of the old games personality and style

[@wesleyclymer9026]

Fully agree

[@beeftips1628]

Also the workshop, I don’t know about you but if it does have a workshop I feel like 3D models might be a bit harder to make animations and models with than 2D sprites.

[@evilded2]

​@@beeftips1628speaking as someone who has made workshop characters in the past, I think the workshop was so compelling that it kinda overshadowed base rivals. I like that now with 2 the base characters can have a spotlight and 1 still exists.

[@NotSnak]

Agreed but i do like that the game exists

[@Jamlord2061]

also workshop going to be very different if it even happens

[@mr.noodle6931]

I love that they added voice acting to this game. Just adds so much personality to the characters.

[@isthatagamer8844]

Seeing how Clarien plays in 2 makes me excited cuz they were definitely my favorite in 1

[@borisshnitkov7600]

The only things I dislike about the game is the whole knockdown shenanigans and the weird oily lighting that every 3d platform fighter on steam seems to have

[@blankchickenman]

Rivals is so cool. But is it just me, or does entry take a lot more from smash than the first one...? Just looking at the animations and hitboxes, there's very clear inspiration taken quite often. I would also mention the aerial maneuvers with specials and ledge-grabs, rolls, etc, but that seems more general to the fighting game sphere. I definitely like the way Fleet plays! Reminds me of bows from Brawlhalla, except better!

[@mystraunt2705]

We needed a smash game in between smash releases. This is perfect lol. The next smash game probably isnt gonna be till like holiday 2026 is my guess. Okay but actually i agree with you its a little silly, theres enough smash ripoffs, I wish it was a little more different. Like if you can just use all the same smash terminology its probably a little bit too close

[@Random_User666]

@@mystraunt2705more Smash Clones/Platform Fighters honestly need to think outside of the box more if they want to stand out from Smash Bros more (And potentially have much better longevity)

[@DNeonLamp]

​@@Random_User666 the more they stand out from Smash the more people choose to stay with Melee instead. So many games have tried to be "Smash but a bit different" and smash fans just default to Melee. Rivals 1 was good but didn't see anything more than niche success because the core audience they were courting didn't like to play without shield.

[@readyplayerthree3]

​@@Random_User666Rivals one definitely does shift pretty far from the original Nintendo formula for a platfighter but it's understandably a turn off to some people cause of the way it's played.

[@Random_User666]

@@DNeonLamp What I meant by standing out was taking the groundwork laid by Smash Bros and turning it into something that can’t even be considered a Smash Clone (Like REALLY turning it into something).

[@parasitone0814]

Just imagine when mods are the thing on rivals again, ronald will be back but all 3D

[@chasethemaster3440]

Hell yeah

[@todthetoad5331]

I do miss the pixel art but man this game looks so good

[@Mozzarellapumpkin]

I really hope tower of heaven's map comes back (haven't watch the full thing maybe it's in it) because the ToH soundtrack is a dang masterpiece

[@Bupboy]

Well tower of heaven is an actual game, so alongside shovel knight and ori, there could be some licensing issues preventing its return

[@poggerman3056]

I hope this game gets custom character support so we can see cosmic Ronald in his glory

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

I like how the character models look

[@DarkDodgers]

Not seeing my boy Etalus makes me sad :(

[@readyplayerthree3]

Real v.v Imma Orcane player myself and I'm hoping we get him soon

[@Nuggette]

This was just the first kickstarter beta release. Right now the team is trying to make the game itself feel the best it can, which is why they haven't added anyone since the pre-kickstarter demo

[@JollyRoger7114]

I saw a pinned comment in the backer discord that everyone from R1 is coming back except for Ori and SK since they aren't original rivals characters

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Etalus will come eventually.

[@onixiion3071]

All characters from Rivals of Aether are coming back, at some point. So eventually Etalus, Orcane, Absa, etc. will come back, even if not in the first 10. This includes the 4 Workshops from Def. Ed. and the winner of the current workshop contest. Sadly not the guest characters due to licensing red-tape.

[@icenovice]

Funnily enough, about a month before this game released, I had an idea for a special move for StoneMan in a MegaMan-themed platform fighter identical to Kragg's Up Special.

[@readyplayerthree3]

Rivals characters are super well designed overall ^~^ Rivals 1 really brought a lot of new stuff to the platfighter scene with 2 seeming to continue it a bit with Lox and Fleet and I'm glad other people have similar ideas!

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Even funnier, Kragg's up special is heavily built off Super Smash Land's version of Mega Man's Item-1. (SSL being a Smash Fan Game made by Dan Fornace prior to Rivals 1.)

[@Victinitotodilepro]

alpharad lowkey cooking hard, didn't expect so much sauce

[@whateew]

Honestly? The 3d is kinda nice actually

[@kittykake44]

I can't be the only one who found this game series through their dating game, can I?

[@Itc4ever]

This honestly looks like the brawl to Rivals one's melee, but I kinda respect them switching it up. As long as they keep support for 1 for people who prefer the complexity, then I could get behind a more casual sequal.

[@antehman2912]

?

[@readyplayerthree3]

I haven't heard the comparison of melee and brawl. I remember hearing something like Rivals 2 is kinda a sequel to Project M/Plus instead of the sequel to Rivals of Aether.

[@evilded2]

What a bizarre thing to say.

[@antehman2912]

rivals 2 is quite literally more complex in every facet of the game dude what the fuck are you talking about

[@illusionaryheart3325]

Rivals 2 is definitely slower than Rivals 1 but it's MUCH faster than Brawl or even Ultimate. It's much more like P+

[@hman5628]

It's been a while since I watched or heard of this game but we so back 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@beetlepainter00]

Im super excited to see how orcane and hodan will play in rivals 2

[@capitaljames6480]

This game looks noticeably slower than rivals 1, but still sick

[@monochromesoul5873]

Its because its 3D now. Most games suffer the same fate.

[@blazingbuizel7194]

@@monochromesoul5873Rivals to Aether had a pretty rough tr

[@justwhytho_omg]

It’s also in pre release, so the actual release will probably be faster

[@MoosMoose]

Also it's a new game and people just aren't great at it yet

[@Staticblox]

"Good luck modding entire 3D models!" -Rivals 2

[@Bupboy]

That didn't stop the smash community, and they had to do everything without help from the game's devs

[@twatts9940]

I think Spyro would be a perfect guest fighter for Rivals 2

[@markmccarthy397]

The one criticism I still have of Rivals 2 is the sound design. The obvious comparison to make is with Smash Ultimate but really between Rivals 2 and *any* of the smash games, Rivals just doesn't have the sauce, the brazen confidence of a home run bat, the stylish hit of dopamine when you land a Marth tipper, Rivals has none of that, it sounds like you're fighting with sewing needles. The rest of the game is heckin DOPE but I feel like you do a good enough job of showing that firsthand, the character design, movesets, animations, physics, all *stellar*

[@MusicComet]

I think the element FX look kinda janky. They look like something else half the time.

[@markmccarthy397]

@@MusicComet honestly I agree, but the presentation overall is pretty dang clean

[@jlol2701]

can't wait to see ronald mc donald in the workshop again

[@Lucky8r8k]

Hope to see the beast from the 9th layer of hell again someday :)

[@chasethemaster3440]

?

[@mxyzptplk]

Don't be a coward. You can say Ronald McDonald's name.

[@camelat7228]

5 seconds of watching claire gameplay and i can already tell who the top tier is of this beta

[@mikewillner8626]

This game needs excalibur

[@readyplayerthree3]

Real!

[@chasethemaster3440]

Yes

[@funnydishrag1267]

for those of you wondering what makes rivals and smash different: rivals is made by people who know how to make games

[@lavendeerpuyotet4813]

38:09 that's something I've noticed as well. I thought that maybe it was just something with them messing with frame data and not having time to polish the animations yet. If that's the goal with them though that sucks, its extremely beginner unfriendly for one since it's hard to tell what you're actually inputing if you don't already have second nature with the controls, its messy to look at since your not actually sure what everyone is doing unless you know the characters moves in and out, and it just looks boring like the moves have no personality. I swear it looked better in earlier builds as well which made it quite the shock when the beta went live and the animations looked like that. I really hope they go back on this decision. Maybe it's just a me thing since I am an animation nut and no one else cares about the similar animations, but it really does bug me and in my opinion ruins the look and feel of what was shaping up to probably be my favorite platform fighter.

[@FossilApostle]

I feel like a solid ingame shader could go far in rivals 2 Game plays well lookin out for more

[@uncleocean2832]

Genuinely the game looks hella more fun now sadly a lot less mods if not none

[@readyplayerthree3]

Tbh I think I like Rivals 1 better cause it's way more unique I'm not gonna be too sad if R2 doesn't get workshop for a while/doesn't get it.

[@Nuggette]

@@readyplayerthree3 The devs promised that they will add workshop to 2, but iirc it won't be on release

[@sachanadeau5444]

I loved rivals workshop as much as anyone but I kinda hated how it took all the attention away from how well designed the base game characters are

[@littlemisseevee2309]

mr rad, dont forget you can use bubble to recover too

[@horrordragon2255]

I hope my boy Forsburn returns

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Considering his model was one of the first shown off, he's absolutely making proper Launch.

[@Extracredittttt]

He's back!

[@cherrycurry404]

I'm curious...Did they put Excaliburn in this game?

[@Bupboy]

Not yet, but the game has a character slot left, so we could get him

[@ACE-es7zi]

The elephant is using magma? I thought it was water.

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Loxodont's from the fire elemental side of Aether lore.

[@MusicComet]

Yeah, all the elements look kinda samey except for wind.

[@ListlessWither]

God the chat during this was so fucking cringe during this I know Rivals is niche but come'on with some of these comparisons....

[@uglyduckling5077]

I enjoy that you don’t have to be extremely skilled or a pro player to combo in this game - smasshhhhhhhhhhhh

[@devastator1313]

The bow character looks really cool.

[@OffDaLineTV124]

Can you customize characters? like in rivals 1?

[@halo21a1]

Cant wait to see golden Ronald in this one

[@Bupboy]

Man people here are so negative, this game looks great, workshop support will happen just not right away, and some people arent here for the funny haha clown man anyway, i say just enjoy rivals 2 for what it does, because its looking to be a good game

[@lionshorts1174]

I don't like that only some of the Rivals fighters wear clothes

[@Emmanueltheking1233]

OH GOD GO BACK

[@decayingfairy3996]

: (

[@wyllgalaxy1009]

Why

[@Emmanueltheking1233]

@@wyllgalaxy1009 because I liked it more when it was pixels and idk if you can put mods on it 😔😔😔😔

[@dumbsterdives]

​@@Emmanueltheking1233this is fair but also the first game isnt going anywhere, if you like it more you can just keep playing it also i doubt theyd drop mod support as a Thing after it extended the first ones lifespan as much as it did, even if it isnt implemented at launch

[@b2superbattledroid977]

​@@Emmanueltheking1233how about you like the game for what it is and not the modded shit fest

[@mr.noodle6931]

Hey Mr. Rad will you be playing this game more? I'm starving for Rivals 2 content, and you're pretty nasty on the sticks

[@BobThePenguin.]

If this game gets workshop it'll be game of the year

[@TheLefty5o2]

Was so confused about the speed comment because to me it looked the exact same speed as the original game. Then realized I was watching at 1.5x speed. Went to 1x and saw what he meant. Forgot I was sped up and was thinking it was mostly the same but with a new style.

[@readyplayerthree3]

Pfft, kinda wish they kept the speed but shields and all that probably slow the game down a good bit..... v.v

[@evilded2]

Do smash players not understand but it takes time for people to optimize offense and movement. Fighting games are always slower in the first few months.

[@Bupboy]

I don't even mind the slower speed, maybe it'll be more tolerable to play online since I won't be comboed into oblivion without being able to react

[@techmaster728]

the whole video is good 👍

[@rage_tv4493]

when is it gonna come out?

[@sachanadeau5444]

Idk if ill play rivals 2 when none of my mains are in the game. No Sylvanos or Mollo or Absa

[@yeahtoast3634]

So when's the Roland dlc?

[@prophetofmoresheth]

I think Etalus is more Gannon then Kragg. Is etalus in rivals 2?

[@why3994]

The game isn't out yet, but all r1 characters are confirmed to be added eventually (not at launch) 2 more characters from r1 will return at launch but we don't know who those are yet

[@psychicchicken5263]

But Etalus is nearly the fastest character in the game if you use his movement right, I don't see the similarities with Ganon personally.

[@neomothdev2]

this game MIGHT be super smash brothers...

[@BlankPapers]

Fleet's foward throw looks like Brawlhalla

[@CJdoesntlikehandles]

if fleet has peach hover what will pomme do (unless pomme just wont be in it)

[@powwu]

Fleet's float isn't like peach, you kinda have to use it to really see what I mean. It's close to PM ganon

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Pomme is absolutely coming back eventually.

[@why3994]

Fleet does not have peach float, it's different and she definitely doesn't play like pomme at all

[@KiwyWabo]

In time, lest goooo

[@jonasjohnson5383]

Yeah really my only complaint with this game is that the gravity is SOOO high Or combo starters don't have enough knockback or something The game is really just tech chases until both players get to at least 50% because of how high the gravity is It's like they took all the complaints about new platform fighters feeling super floaty and turned the dial to the extreme in the opposite direction lol Everything else looks so so cool with this game, just wish it was less tech-chase-heavy

[@Nutren]

Gangsta thug nasty

[@ultrandrew7657]

is this like the demo or something?

[@sakarain]

It’s a beta. Over the weekend they had a public beta online test. Alpha seems to have had an offline build before anyway.

[@SivillyHoshi]

my only gripe with rivals 2 is that they removed special fall walljumping so recovery is boring

[@psychicchicken5263]

That sucks imo, definitely gonna make things harder for Etalus. Edit: was I stupid 2 months ago?

[@Extracredittttt]

There are still a ridiculous amount of recovery options to explore including multiple character that still have some form of special fall wall jumping. If this game has ledges and every could walljump out of every special, edge guarding wouldn't even exist. And the existence of a ledge deepens the edge guard game in general I can't agree with this comment

[@Smockywithoutagodcomplex]

omg the editing mouse just in the middle of the vid the whole time is crazy, and when it goes to alpha's face it's gone so you know that on the editer I am the yapper

[@Bupboy]

No, you're so wrong it's sad Alpha must've left his cursor on the game window, and it goes under his facecam because his cam is layered above the game window... for obvious reasons

[@Thetrudeepblu]

Alpharad

[@elighplaysyt]

Exactly 59 mins jeez

[@mesafullking]

where is piss mario😡😡😡

[@texasred8424]

i find it weird that smash players compare characters from other platform fighters by what they look like. i saw someone in chat describe fleet as "fox at home"???????????????? huh???????????????? if anything maypul is more "fox at home" than fleet is

[@texasred8424]

and anyways rivals characters can't really be described exclusively as what smash character they "are" so smash players are kinda screwed when it comes to being able to describe them

[@Bupboy]

Smashy bros players can't help but draw comparisons to other games, not a huge deal imo but if people don't see the uniqueness of rivals than there's an issue

[@LilyZigzagoon]

The number 2 rivals the number 1

[@Kinntens]

They really uhh… put a lot of detail into the characters and their muscles…

[@Bupboy]

If kragg isn't an insane muscular rocky TANK, he doesn't really look or feel like a heavy now does he?

[@kabuto1584]

Is it really Rivals 2 if there is no God of Mc fries and Mc nuggets?

[@brogoyle]

Yes it can be -.-

[@kabuto1584]

@@brogoyle u are no fun -^-

[@Bupboy]

I played rivals 1 on switch with no workshop, you will be fine without your insanely overpowered meme characters on launch

[@littletimmy6972]

Too bad I already watched the entire VOD

[@Mozzarellapumpkin]

Honestly this looks so much more fun than the original (base game that is, we all know how fun workshop is)

[@Hannah_isfunny]

lowkey looks like super smash bros

[@Xxblade17]

Hell yeah

[@mariokart9227]

Game looks fun but i miss the 2d sprites

[@ZayZayPlayed]

20 SEC GANG?

[@abhinavnair7471]

rivals a-z

[@leonlinn7910]

Omg i can't wait

[@termitesc.aardwolf3644]

Wake me up when Etalus is added and it gets a Switch port.

[@Mr.Brothybear]

The 3d looks weird for some reason

[@TheMilkManifested]

RAAHHHH

[@AnonymousAnimated]

57 seconds ago and there's already a comment and 11 likes

[@deandrewpowell]

This game look better than brawlhaha

[@JG-gg9ey]

Play bro hollow next time

[@amethist6774]

i gotta say, it looks like rival one was more original in it's gameplay, here im just looking at smash bros with a texture pack. only interesting thing i saw here was fleet.

[@why3994]

Idk what you're smoking but this game is a huge step up from smash, the characters are amazing and designed way better than smash, the movement is better, there's new stuff like ledge, getup, and grab specials, unique mechanics like hitfalling and so much more. Yes this game is inspired by melee/pm but it's leagues above those imo

[@amethist6774]

@@why3994 every smash like already has ledge gameplay, rivals had no ledge, making it different. The lack of shield was unique as well. I liked rivals lack of ledge and characters that felt so free in their movement, even the heavyweights, like kragg, were so dynamic. every character look like they gained 30kg, especially kragg. I can't really say that rival 2 is better or worse, because i haven't played it yet. What im saying is it's way closer to smash than before, and im not really into that. Visually though i can say confidently i much prefer rivals 1.

[@why3994]

@@amethist6774 yes, r1 having no ledge is "different" but so is rivals 2's ledge. You're looking at this from a surface level, if you actually played the game you'd realise that r2 has so much more depth due to adding in these mechanics from smash, expanding upon them and creating an entirely new experience that improves upon the original. It's the same with shielding, here they don't shrink, shield drops are easy, and the break is simply a launch into the air. I could go on about r2 grabs as well and how unique they are but this comment is long enough. I felt the same as you when I first saw the r2 trailer, but after playing the beta, these mechanics work so well together to make r2 the superior game compared to smash Yes, while rivals 1 having no ledge is unique, rivals 2s ledge is also unique because of how theyre designed here. same with grabs, same with shielding. The difference is that these mechanics add so much more depth, it's so much more than what rivals 1 could even accomplish because it lacked these features. Don't judge a book by its cover, once you play r2 youll see

[@amethist6774]

@@why3994 i can only hope you're right. However one thing will remain in my opinion. I don't like ledge gameplay, it having a few more option is not gonna change that because the core problem is still here, it's slow and easy to react to. Also, since you seem to have played it, what about the wall jumps? I didn't see them, they were super important before.

[@Bupboy]

​​@amethist6774 smash bros with a texture pack has got to be the worst way to describe the game

[@yashA.456]

I wish the devs of this and Combo Devils would work together to overthrow Nintendos hold over Smash Type fighting games, instead of competing against each other. Why divide your ressources and ideas when you are already at a disadvantage with Nintendo having a lot of IPs to use for characters and you basically want to make the same game apart from that RogueLite Game Mode in Combo Devils. But even that's fine cuz if you want to make a Smash Melee type game it's cool to feature fun game modes that don't focus on battling other players and a RogueLite or Zombie Mode type of PvE mode is always fun and challenging (think of 100 man melee-mode, Smash Contest, Time Trials)

[@ІгорЧекерес]

This game won't do great cause of one reason. The old one has a lot of neat mods that won't be replicated to the newer one.

[@beau4612]

oooo

[@Da_pibe]

So i have to?

[@aguenya]

GO BACK I DONT WANT IT 3D

[@Reaper-penguin]

when's the Ronald McDonald dlc?

[@Zylefer]

This game looks like a good platform fighter but a TERRIBLE sequel :(

[@popsickle_]

Yeah it basically lost all aspects of the old games personality and style

[@tyrone2048]

Wow uhh that's crazy. I mean there's some aspects of what made rivals 1 good that aren't in rivals 2, but calling it a "TERRIBLE" sequel is crazy. Could you explain why you feel that way? Especially since people are saying this game looks sick (me included)

[@tyrone2048]

​@@popsickle_I mean with the art and design changed sure, some of it isn't there anymore but I don't believe it's that extreme. This game definitely still has personality

[@wesleyclymer9026]

Terrible in the sense that it doesn’t have drift DI and the addition of shields looses the feel of playing footsie from RoA1. A KZbinr by the name of Zetta had a pretty good video on this you should check it out. He put it better than I ever could.

[@tyrone2048]

@@wesleyclymer9026 I watched his video prior, but he never called it "terrible". They added stuff in this game to make up for the losses, but I don't think that the losses are really that big. Even on a professional level going past casual, there's just some interactions to relearn. Nothing about this screams "OH GOD WHAT DID THEY DO!!1!!!1!1"

[@battleboy8483]

no pixels :[

[@ZANTgungaming]

ADD MODS FOR CONSOLE!!!!

[@themanager10yearsago29]

custom character ?