Thrill is now BEYOND broken...

[@notOtzdarva]

For those that didn't watch until the end, skip to 17:09 for some tips on how to COUNTER this playstyle.

[@Wiseguy150]

Didn't I hear from somewhere that self unhooks still give you stacks now for devour? Whether it's a bug or a feature, I don't think your counterplay works, unless you unhook yourself in the killers face before they get far enough away... But then you encourage them to tunnel you. If this stays the way it is for long I imagine counterforce stock will rise but you're right this is absolutely disgusting. How does BHVR not see a problem with giving totems a +20% slowdown speed?

[@the_jiinx]

@@Wiseguy150 Devour only gives stacks upon a RESCUE from a hook, not just unhooks in general, so unhooking yourself does prevent devour stacks.

[@VTubersubs]

And for one that doesn't rely on perks*, perhaps testing a dull totem for thrill (until it's nerfed) and killing that to reduce the time on the hex totems you actually care about in the future. Better to lose the 46s on a dull vs losing 40s on a hex that you end up not cleansing since that's what the killer cares about. And if you want to be even more mean on the killer side... Throw on pentimento to punish people cleansing dulls to prepare for this exact strategy.

[@notOtzdarva]

@@Wiseguy150 Yes, you're correct, self-unhooks did give you stacks of Devour for a while and until very recently, but this was changed again. Now they don't do it.

[@YourDevil54]

@@notOtzdarva otz did you notice Tiffany (Chucky skin) is missing voice lines on the killers lobby? is it a bug or its intended?

[@amethystrose3480]

I’m calling it. They’re going to make totem progress remain even if interrupted. Maybe with a small deterioration effect. Edit: I like how there can be general criticism with this comment, and understand any concerns people. However, I want to make one thing clear. It’s not my general idea of what I think should happen, or is it what I think will eventually happen. It was a joke guess of sorts based off of past patches with some silly changes and such. If you don’t like it just say that. There isn’t need for anyone to get super aggressive and defensive about it. Besides, they already put out the change, and made the speeds a bit better already. So it obvious this wasn’t what they went with.

[@chet_irl]

kinda hope this doesn’t happen

[@titosusva]

they should but they wont

[@anshd927]

That would be the old "unnecessarily buff something and then compensatorily nerf it into the ground" strat. A bhvr classic.

[@LayZKimochi420BlazeIt]

a universal survivor buff in response to an insignificant killer buff is the bhvr special

[@SuperbFairy]

they should never do this, thrill buff just needs reverting

[@colossaldonut5190]

They ain't touchin my bones anymore that's for sure.

[@manfrombirth5325]

Fun

[@Seamasterdoggo]

@@manfrombirth5325 totally

[@MrRivech]

MGTOW unite! Volcel don't let these succubus touch our bones

[@matthenley3886]

If they rub your bone for 45 seconds your bone is gone

[@Seamasterdoggo]

@ interesting choice of words

[@Iron_Cutlass]

“I wish Hex Totems will become meta”… the Monkey’s Paw curled it’s finger.

[@towel_gaming]

I wish that doctor was stronger

[@ezequielwasielevsky3784]

"Shock therapy now hinders survivors by 12%"

[@GoldWatcher-j7l]

@@towel_gaming what way though?

[@Predated2]

​@@GoldWatcher-j7l Basekit yellow calm addon already makes him really good. M1 killers in general should have a reduced TR. Especially when already strong killers can get access to stealth or smaller terror radii, like Xenomorph gets a smaller TR for absolutely no reason (like, I would expect a BIGGER terror radius with range, not a smaller one). Or Chucky having better stealth than any killer out there even with TR on, even though they refuse to give Ghostface anything smaller than a 14 second cooldown, even tho Ghostface literally does not have a power without it. Doctor getting basekit yellow calm addon gives him a bigger TR whenever his power is ready, meaning better value, while also making him a tiny bit stealthier if you dont have vision on him, which allows him to close the gap before survivors run. Makes him surprisingly strong, especially if all other addons remain untouched.

[@Antarctide]

They've always been meta, Mr. ESL.

[@DarknessAmongUs]

Otz: "heeeheeeheheeee, hehehehe" Hux: "stop blabbering, it's really annoying" Otz: "okay..."

[@GegoCasttr]

what the fuck

[@searchingforhisaxe2293]

Fun fact it now takes longer to break a totem with thrills new numbers than it takes for Doctors Big Static blast to come off cooldown without Addons

[@alexadams4017]

Especially if they whiff, only 30 seconds cooldown if the blast doesnt hit anyone

[@SylvanLL]

Imagine running Calm Spirit to counter Doctor/scream builds and then running into a Thrill of the Hunt enjoyer. 30% totem slowdown on top of Thrill means totems could take as long as generators to finish.

[@Th3_Traitor]

„Hehehehe run Hardened.“ But you have to cleanse a totem first. 🤣

[@lordofligma]

Y'all are sleeping on Counterforce and Hardened. Cleanse the Dull Totems, open a chest, and you have a decent setup to resist screaming while cleansing Thrill. Counterforce is a pretty decent perk in general, and synergizes perfectly with Inner Healing and Overzealous.

[@handsomehead1381]

​@@lordofligmathe issue is that you have to yk, cleanse a totem...

[@lordofligma]

@handsomehead1381 true, but for each Dull you cleanse, Thrill loses tokens and Counterforce gains them. Early game may be slow, but by mid to late game the Killer will lose the crux of their build.

[@Th3_Traitor]

@@lordofligma Counterforce gets tokens? I thought Small Game was the totem perk with tokens. 😅 What do they do?

[@spinkkle]

Ran counterforce and overzealous and didn’t get a single hex totem out of 3+ hours of games 👍 if you want to counter it just run perks to counter it so they don’t bring it so your build does nothing

[@Its_SaberHG]

I hate that so much. Anytime I run soulguard I also never see a hex

[@camoga9817]

I ran a totem destroying build, only 1 killer out of about 10 rounds had totem perks. Saved us from a NOED, but I agree with your statement. lmao

[@fatcat2015]

@@Its_SaberHGit’s frustrating in several ways. Hex Totems need to be very strong to be worth running because of the risk, if they’re too strong survivors are miserable, run counter perks, and or things get nerfed. The variance and RNG of totems and how good survivors can be at hating them has made the mechanic infinitely frustrating for killers since they were introduced. If the Hex perks aren’t busted enough to build around or even use in general then killers don’t use them and the funny perks like soul guard don’t get to see any play. The Hex Totem mechanic is deeply flawed and people have wanted it reworked for years.

[@SeeNogDBDYT]

Ah the laws of dbd... the killer will always do the opposite of your build.

[@Untiligetfree]

Dude i put on the exact same two perks and then didnt get the hex builds anymore lmao.

[@Isaac_646]

This is literally a nightmare for me. My favorite perk is inner strength, i love just hiding in a locker and getting healed. And it gives an incentive to cleanse dull totems. Now ill have to take a short holiday to cleanse ONE totem.

[@Namelessstew]

Now you can't get blamed for wasting time not on gens. Lol unless you still do it that is

[@step265]

Thats why i pair inner strength with Jill's totem perk

[@Isaac_646]

@@Namelessstew I usually bring toolboxes in every trial. Favorite one being engineers toolbox with clean rag and socket swivels.

[@maikohfahuldust9231]

Just use the Jill perk to do totems faster

[@marcos_derozzi]

pentimento's second account:

[@zlaggaming68]

So, Singularity has mastered two techniques now..... slugging and and anti cleanse.

[@kingol4801]

Apply that all in one game and you get Ai paradise

[@vinnie4609]

he is the new skull merchant

[@suicidalskeleton8779]

​@@vinnie4609 area denial moment ig

[@rafaelgordim7242]

honestly removing bp bonus makes me think they hate us. It all started with our beloved barbecue... Never forget what they took away from us.

[@jackbennett6902]

"Worth its weight in salt," is a phrase I am most definitely stealing for future use.

[@kor8rok]

It's a spanish saying!

[@ArchStanton340]

Not to be that guy but it's actually a Roman saying from when their soldiers were paid in salt.

[@antonioflores7816]

@@ArchStanton340true

[@suicidalskeleton8779]

​@@ArchStanton340thought it would've been a deviation of the quote "worth its weight in gold". could be the opposite tho and that kinda cool

[@notOtzdarva]

I didn't even realize I said this lmfao.

[@notveryintelligent6239]

Me thinks BHVR 1. Doesn’t play their own game 2. Failed math class

[@LiveGoDaYDaYs]

They busy teaching their employees about what race/gender is more important 😂

[@ThyBigCheddar]

​@@LiveGoDaYDaYs What an incredibly unintelligent statement

[@MrVIrginiaLUV]

​😂😂😂

[@LiveGoDaYDaYs]

@@ThyBigCheddar sure. but that what they do even have wheel tierlist

[@Digital_Flayer]

@@ThyBigCheddarincredibly factual

[@Ianator_375]

Had a funny moment where I was playing Nick cage and I got downed by a houndmaster. Nick cage went “ no, don’t do this to me I’m not a worm!” And the houndmaster went “ like a worm!” 1:26

[@asteridshydrangea-jt2hf]

LMAO those beautiful moments of coincidence

[@RockerxxRicardo]

Careful Otz the people who claim you ruin every perk is gonna be hunting for you.

[@darnabbit3322]

SHINJIRO PFP SPOTTED?

[@Djfmi]

He doesn’t work for them 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MrVIrginiaLUV]

That doesnt matter, devs watch these videos. ​@@Djfmi

[@jeremymore451]

And its going to be a Thrilling Hunt!

[@Mentlor]

Two days after the release of the video it got nerfed. Back to the extremely fun full gen defence and tunneling meta we all love ❤

[@quattrokerbecs]

fair and balanced, like everything else in this game

[@mineshawn8960]

Appreciate the five bucks mate

[@StanTwiceZ]

That moment with Dwight and the camera was diabolical

[@Ant_bishopo]

Welp, now that he made a video on it, we're gonna see this everywhere...

[@ryannem1216]

It always happens. Content creators are scum sometimes

[@MrVIrginiaLUV]

He's highlighting something that not many people would figure out because they're "casuals".

[@MagicMonkey96]

@@MrVIrginiaLUVas a competitive nuisance I had the perks but chatterers tooth is a brilliant innovation

[@warrencaelum9536]

​@@ryannem1216 cry about it

[@empiyrr2133]

Other content creators have made videos on this and people would’ve noticed this anyways

[@pokeaust7800]

One thing to keep in mind is that if you cleanse the dull totems then Thrill’s effect is lowered. It’s much harder for the Killer to watch over 5 totems especially for ones they don’t see the aura of

[@FreakeonSexKennedy]

penti adds thrill stacks so cleansing dull totems is not always a good idea lol

[@Electroneer]

@@pokeaust7800 Hex: Undying says hi.

[@jackk.4670]

Dominance: "And who decided that?"

[@kenwashere5408]

@@jackk.4670oh man I have to wait like 12 seconds to touch the dull totem, what ever shall I do about all this pressure?

[@Merumya]

thats still a LOT of time if added all together. still worth it.

[@rjb11280]

Thanks for this Otz, I played about 10 games yesterday and 7 of them were running a hex build with thrill. So much fun to go against.

[@Ro-Ghost]

Otz isnt the only one covering this

[@jamesbenedictlim7183]

“Pretty good for a brown” - Otz

[@UncontainablePickle-_420]

I knew he was racist, he's not even Otzdarva

[@kenwashere5408]

Just wait till you hear about what he thinks of the yellows. Absolutely deplorable.

[@torainjapan3440]

I hope this thing gets fixed soon. I play on Asia servers and no joke every single killer is bringing a totem build and it is impossible to escape

[@commenter178]

I know it’s clickbait to get people to watch but “beyond broken” is pretty insane

[@jackchannbr1870]

I've been watching this channel for a very long time, and in almost every video, Otz is the one talking to us, but in this one, I have no idea who this person is. He didn't even tell us his name.

[@kashidae4762]

The ACTUAL counter build is counterforce and then do dull totems first, the killer won't be patrolling them, each totem you destroy takes tokens from thrill of the hunt and counterforce adds another 20% speed for you every time you break a totem. You could also bring overzealous or inner hesling but thats just to synergize 😊

[@grandevocalsss9693]

Pentimento says hi

[@Niko-oe9qo]

@@grandevocalsss9693 counterforce says hi back. The tokens really add up once you've removed a couple of thrill stacks making it easier to take out penti

[@grandevocalsss9693]

@@Niko-oe9qo that wastes more time trying to go back to the original dull totem

[@lozww97]

​@@grandevocalsss9693 It's a waste of time practically for both killer and survivor. Lmao

[@grandevocalsss9693]

@@lozww97 not for killer, cause just one stack of pentimento does some crazy work

[@hydrospex6330]

I already hated how long it took to cleanse and the extra 4% is lowkey brutal 💀.

[@JS-my4jw]

Yeah. Thrill was already good for protecting/delaying hexes. The extra buff was unnecessary and made totem builds (especially devour builds) near unbeatable unless you're a coordinated swf.

[@D-Doc-C]

Now imagine a Thanatophobia Plague on top lmao. I'm not sure if the math is correct but with 4 injured survivors it's at 0.06 action speed 💀

[@Crispy_DAWG]

It’s a 20% increase in total. 70% slow down at 5 stacks is absolutely busted… I mean balanced 👀

[@siredquinn]

Good

[@mikeoxlong4812]

@@JS-my4jw And yet it was never a meta perk, now survivor mains are crying about the additional 20% cleanse on totems 😂😂

[@golden.Josie.]

I had a Claudette bless a totem with thrill and it literally took the time of a gen. HAd also Twins use Thrill with ruin and they guarded their totems with Victor so it was impossible to clense them. I can't anymore

[@Not_Ciel]

1:30 I literally had this exact same idea today and I haven't gotten to try it yet. I feel like Trapper gets the biggest buff from this meta since his traps can actually prevent very cruel hexes from being cleansed without you knowing.

[@DevsClips]

first recorded instance of Chatterer's Tooth value

[@killerplunger]

Dbd 1984: big brother is crouching Dbd 2024: she hex on my hunt till i thrill

[@Electroneer]

Oh good, glad Otz is calling this out. I've played against this build a bunch since the buff, and it was an easy 4k for the killer every time. Even a coordinated SWF would struggle against this unless they knew they were going against it and chose their builds accordingly.

[@Untiligetfree]

Yes and people have been trying to defend it . When anyone with a brain knew this was beyond broken . Im really thankful for otz calling it out .

[@calgcfc1]

@@Untiligetfreeit’s the baby killer mains that cry survivors are toxic for doing the objective when they commit to one survivor for 5 gens and they’re finally able to win games now. Glad to see Otz remains pretty neutral and calls shit like this out as broken

[@derpyduck5088]

@@Untiligetfree It's not broken because survivors haven't actually tried to do anything about it. This happens every killer meta, instead of changing your perks to counter the killer meta, survivors cry until it gets nerfed. I have seen exactly 0 Counterforces, 0 Small Games, 0 Better Than New, 0 Detective's Hunch, 0 Hardened. A good handful of Resilience, but that's it. I haven't even seen a survivor target the dull totems yet, they just go straight for the lit one every time. And yes, I've played against it using Counterforce+Overzealous (and/or inner strength) It's really not that bad

[@leonthegamer2839]

So you are kinda admitting that it is broken even if you havent noticed it. You are saying that survivors just get absolutly demolished and smoked because they havent adjusted their perks yet. That ist literally the problem dont you think? Like every match woule be decided by the simple question of: "Did you bring perk X?" If yes good now you have a chance if no well gg back to the lobby. Another reason why many survivors dont like to change their builds too much is because the majority of players are soloq and duos and they simply do not have enough perk slots to cover everything. But yeah if the solution is that you need to bring one or two very specific perks or otherwise you dont have a chance I would consider it broken. Turn it arround and imagine bhvr would release and absolutly busted invocation perk that basically always would result in a win for the survivors. Would you also argue that it would be fine and killer players just need to adapt their perks and that you played against it while using territorial imperative/Darkness revealed?

[@Electroneer]

@@derpyduck5088 Hex: Undying says hi.

[@gyrobestzeppeli]

Singu with full hex and thrill is crazy

[@premiumtyrepremiumtyre1188]

Otz did NOT fall off

[@wizzzytm]

Never will

[@DaikoruArtwin]

We actually ended up against that Cenobite build, and we somehow managed to win it. The strat we did was that someone grabbed the box and just kept it hostage while another person would cleanse the totems, preventing him from interrupting by screaming. And fortunately, the very first totem we did was Thrill of the Hunt and successfully got cleansed right before the person with the box got downed, so the rest of the totems fell down a lot more easily. It ended up a 3-man escape with pretty much everyone on death hook, that was the most intense victory we've earned so far.

[@bleachyreacts]

18:06 aint no way otz just recommended this playstyle. ill be back in a week dbd

[@elanud]

He recommended deliverance/wicked for self-unhooking in order to counter devour hope until thrill gets nerfed, not the hex build

[@TheSkizzler]

@@elanudno, he said “have fun with it while it lasts” meaning the totem builds

[@salamantics]

@@TheSkizzler I could also read that as sarcastic, saying "have fun running deliverance and whatever else is needed to counter this"

[@Katana314]

The worst bit about this, many killers have complained “Gens are too fast, we want survivors to do something else”. But now it’s made even more punishing for survivors to focus on these side objectives. In a lot of these cases especially with Pentimento existing, survivors are better off ignoring the Hex effects as best they can and focusing generators.

[@liabilitylinda3501]

It would be fine if you could actually ignore them, but you are NOT winning without cleansing devour, blood favour or crowd control

[@asteridshydrangea-jt2hf]

This. Everything turns into a joyless meta slave slog with little room for fun, experimentation, goofing or doing silly little self-imposed challenges. No-life survivor mains yell at you for not psychically divining what the tactically perfect thing is to do, killers are BMing every cheese match they play even when someone instantly ragequits and they get a free throw, and if you switch to killer 80% of the survivors are panic sweating because of their last few matches. This is one of those times where if I want to play DBD I might as well just create silly dollhouse tableaus with Hag every other match and casually slap anyone I come across for points.

[@the0nlyt0m]

Thank you otz, now 80% of the games will be only this

[@smexyarkeyan3858]

The fact that beast of prey hasn’t been touched is insane

[@aaporoivainen3741]

Also counter for singularity is to have a second survivor holding an EMP ready for the guy doing the totem!

[@creepykoala7255]

Good luck doing that with random teammates though

[@JRG_REDD]

This whole Thanksgiving weekend. I legit grinded DBD. Bro i ran into a full hex build with thrilling at least 80% percent of my matches it legit was so annoying to go against

[@cyberalloy5379]

That's annoying. I sometimes put all the perks that give you extra BP's on during events to farm them quicker.

[@lolohnah]

but muh bloodpoint economy :(

[@kacperdobrzeniecki7239]

haven't seen otz beeing this happy in a while

[@albertfriedrich3367]

gratulations to 1mil subscriber! well done!

[@kendallwatson3638]

Singularity watching totems is DIABOLICAL

[@brianmidkiff5408]

DBD is now hex-to-win

[@custominorEZ]

Glad Hardened is in my Dramaturgy build. I’ll add Counterforce in for a while. Revitalize my “Eff Yo’ Hex” build and just wreck totems.

[@boec122]

You still can try find non-hex totem far apart to make thrill of the hunt weaker in most cases Ya, after so much time waisted you will probably lose, but you can try

[@Blaze3547craft]

Haunted ground, thrill, plaything, pentimento.

[@protosist]

I ve already encountered similar iterations of this build like 5 times, on nurse and blight ofc. One of them was particularly vile on blight, he had face the darkness, undying, thrill and devour. We couldn t do anything.

[@kingol4801]

Just don’t do totems

[@alexzandercampbell5468]

​@@kingol4801 if they don't do totems then they all die due to devour.

[@protosist]

@@kingol4801 lol

[@melalongkorntaksin8065]

Been playing this game since before the Nurse DLC. Never once thought I would see thrill became this powerful 😂

[@the_jiinx]

Imagine if Thrill still gave loud noise notis to the killer 😂

[@farinerawesome9875]

Otz uploads a strong killer totem build Me: Equipping all totem perks as survivor

[@cagecage3444]

I like the change because for ones you don't have to always take gen slowdown perks or perks that regress gens

[@leonthegamer2839]

Agreed, you just use the "free win build" instead.

[@avwholesomegamer]

You already did not need those things. Your SBMM is inflated if you’re sweating and still falling.

[@mikeoxlong4812]

@@avwholesomegamer If you think you don't need any gen slowdown/regression perks as killer you're in low/mid MMR 😂😂

[@Borr77]

​@leonthegamer2839 free wing build? But how can a killer play with 4 other killers using ds/dh/otr?

[@kingol4801]

@@leonthegamer2839 If you let killer to get 5 hooks before opening gates, you kinda deserve to lose, lol

[@LazySari]

if i am not wrong as well one way to counter thrill is just have other survivor destroy other totem even dull one since the less totem in match the less powerful thrill become (since its a token perk that each token represent how many totem that still standing on the match less totem = less token) But then again the killer can just run Pentimento and there's nothing you can do (Pentimento "revive" a totem and turn it into its own hex so you get the idea) yeah i know having like two or three survivor destroying a totem is quite unlikely but hey at least its better than doing nothing

[@apocalypseap]

Next patch better be "totem cleanse progress is retained when letting go."

[@jamminninja8924]

so you really want ANOTHER crutch ? if that happens then "we have converted all hexes into normal perks" should be right there with it .

[@_piranha]

And hex perks basically all die lmao

[@Povithyr]

This just confirms the devs themselves don’t play test their own game

[@DrPabloMD]

I think 12% would be a good middle ground. It would bring 5 stacks to 35 seconds a totem, and bring a little more counterplay while still giving the perk a much needed (imo) buff

[@the_jiinx]

I feel like the buff wasn't needed, and if any sort of buff remains, it will still be over-tuned especially for killers that can patrol easily.

[@taragnor]

The real problem is that totem progress resets. Base totem cleanse time should go up, but it should remain like a generator progress does.

[@DrPabloMD]

@@the_jiinx ever since the notification was taken away it's been pretty weak and not worth running. I agree more with the totem timer resets, I think it should work more similar to a invocation though, where the charges slowly go down, although not nearly as slow as an invocation, possibly more to gen regression.

[@minatonamikaze6400]

How an you be so creative with your ideas man, each patch you find something to abuse I'd never even think of... Like not gonna lie when I saw thrill I was like "yeah it's a few % whatever" but you saw this + singularity brown add on, you saw the cenobite build etc...

[@Thy_Guardian]

He doesn't have 12000 hours for nothing, he probably knows everything by heart

[@keeeot]

17:11 Idk Otz, they let Weave stay broken for months

[@abyssalcrow8568]

A method to counter, though time consuming, not listed that would work on any killer that cannot map-wide or at least long-range scream you(so primarily doctor and cenobite), is to just get rid of dull totems. That'll reduce Thrill stacks and make the times tighter for the killer, sure it also means the killer also gets more time to do their job but if nothing else then its something that can cancel the playstyle.

[@TurbulentEitri]

This beats having my Hex totems instantly cleansed at game start because the survivors spawned right on top of them or was left out in the very open for anyone with working eyes to see from a mile away. Honestly, the whole thing needs a rework including chests. They need to be more of the core gameplay than as potential parts of it. There's little chance for either the killer or survivors to bring Hex and Boon perks so the ones made to counter each other are so unreliable that you have to ignore them for things that aren't potentially dead weight in a match. The same happens with anti-tunneling and anti-slugging perks where you need them to have a chance against certain playstyles but would just hurt yourself if you bring them just to not have the problem they were made to help you with. There's just a lot of inherent problems with this perk-based balancing act. Survivors have to worry about slugging with how much it's starting to gain attention, but now Hex totems are gaining traction. I love my Hex playstyle getting buffed, but I'm not blind to the sort of issues that this game has. I'm not the one getting hit with my Hex: Third Seal :P

[@tonyth9240]

The perk game is a whole buncha rock paper scissors, but so much more complicated, luck-based, impossible for new players with less perks, and can be so damn frustrating for everyone involved. I really feel sorry for people who still play this game, except for otz, he seems to be having a lot of fun :)

[@aiden3848]

maybe hexes arent for you then

[@ryannem1216]

​@@aiden3848 it's rng

[@LycanBitez]

That perk rant is basically the reason I stopped playing a year ago. As a solo you don't have the ability to bring EVERY safety net so you just bring the ones you KNOW you can use which is pretty frustrating as everyone else also has to bring the same or similar perks to make it through most matches. Slugging and tunneling are two big examples of perks that you pretty much HAVE to bring 99% of matches to avoid early game deaths for yourself and teammates meanwhile you also need like 2+ perks to deal with any hex build so it's just awful. Last time I played it was 1 exhaustion, and then 3 safety perks, that being Off the Record, Decisive and either We're Gonna Live Forever or Borrowed Time and that still wasn't enough as there isn't enough perks you can run to stop tunneling entirely. Killer has this to some degree but usually it's maps that are killers biggest weakness and not survivor perks which is why Hexes in particular have been very niche for so long. Granted there are times where the survivor perks are the issue but for every For the People cheese that existed there's also just the fact that solos can't bring any perks that will be annoying enough on their own to really stop you. Honestly I'm not shocked Thrill is real dumb now, but it's mostly cause Devour Hope has been real dumb even with the 10% Thrill on top. Play any corn map even years back with Devour Hope and you'll quickly see why that perk is just so mean to solos, as they simply won't know you have it until you're already winning.

[@TurbulentEitri]

@@tonyth9240 It's like rock-paper-scissors but it's hit by the 4D chess experience and have 15 different combinations and counters can can only pick two that might end up doing nothing. There's a lot of stuff for any player to take into account even beyond the perks themselves. Addons are like going into yet another dimension in itself.

[@Yeowskii]

What if they actually keep the same numbers, but make it so the BLESSING speed isn't reduced, just normal cleansing. This way it's still a powerful totem defense perk, but with easy counterplay from any boon perk. It would incentivize using boons without actually changing the balance of any of them. Killers could then be incentivized to bring shattered hope more often leading to totems becoming a secondary objective for both sides (survivors hunt totems to boon, killer defends totems, killer hunts boons to break). Unfortunately this may cause some sort of variety in gameplay or perk usage, and BHVR wouldn't allow that. Instead Thrill will be nerfed to like 10.5% and the perk will become mid all over again and nothing in the game will change. P.S. This is a good lesson in effective numbers in gaming. Usually it's with health and damage resistance, but it goes for any percentage multiplier. A 70% decrease in totem cleanse speed is wildly different from a flat 70% increase in totem cleanse time. If it was a flat increase, it'd be just 14 x 1.7 = 23.8 seconds to break, less than double. But this is a reduction in cleanse rate, so the calculation is (14) / (1 - 0.7) = 46.7 seconds, over triple the normal time.

[@Yeowskii]

Coming back here just to say I was right.

[@KryssMef]

I have good question - New "No one left behind" can get for you lategame unhooks with deadhard without "exchange" ???

[@renegade5442]

Another possible way around is using counterforce and going after dull totems first. Gain the stacking cleanse speed to try and out speed some of these situations, been finding it real handy in my own matches

[@aaron.s1531]

The Totem Queen! Perks: thrill, devour, face the darkness, trail of torment. Add-ons: parker’s headband, harpoon gun. Idea: harpoon gun and FTD make survivors scream. Trail makes FTD more effective. Thrill and devour are self explanatory. Xeno Queen for that 🍑 and to make giving hatch more enjoyable. Y-you’re not gonna kill all the survivors with this are ya guys? (Y’all probably) yeah, on the hook, why?

[@NXDH927]

I really like this perk it really allows lesser hexes shine.....I hope they make certain hexes have a set time on them that is unaffected by time increases of any sort kinda like how certain hastes don't stack.

[@salazaarfyrfang2699]

As someone who has been subjected to losing my totems 20 seconds into a match because of shit RNG or survivors spawning right on top of them I'm all for this. Especially when you get that one occasional group who's got a person with a map or totem perks who specifically goes out of their way to hunt your bones down. Maybe now totem builds can actually be viable and not have to rely on Pentimento being a permanent staple of them

[@taleladar]

But instead of breaking the game and making matches completely unfun for survivors... why don't they just fix totem spawns to not be garbage 90% of the time?

[@salazaarfyrfang2699]

@taleladar There's a few problems with that suggestion. For starters they've already "tried" that with Haddonfield and the result was a bunch of totem spawns that were right out in the open. Next there's the issue of the Map item as well as survivor perks specifically made for hunting totems And finally you have the problem of survivors eventually learning most/all possible totem spawns after they've played long enough. New maps or reworked maps can change that up for a bit but eventually you're right back to all these problems. Literally the only conceivable way I can think of to make totem builds viable without having to make Pentimento a requirement on them is to do what they've done to Thrill

[@taleladar]

@@salazaarfyrfang2699 uhh.. well the first thing doesn't even count. It's like I suggest something, and then the buffoons at bhvr do the complete opposite. That just DOESNT count as trying the suggestion. Maps and totem hunting perks should be valid though. Not problems. Even now everyone is saying crap like, "just run counterforce". It's a lot different losing your totems quickly because someone invested perks or resources into hunting totems, rather than randomly coming across your totem as they run across the map, or as they spawn in. As for memorization and stuff, yeah, that could be a problem, but literally nothing anyone can do. But we are getting more and more maps added, they're getting changed, and I think bhvr could just add more possible totem spawning locations on edge map as well. Even if people try to memorize everything, if there's 100 spots on a map, that's like 100 spots to check. Then dbd has like 50 maps or something. It's going to be unreasonable to expect that even veterans know every possible totem location by heart. All they really should do away with is certain spots on maps that are guaranteed totem spawns. In short, you've brought up some points, but I simply don't care. There's always going to be some RNG issues with totems, but I'd rather avoid and mitigate these unfair situations as much as possible, to the point where killers using hex totems will frequently get value out of their totems for a time, and when totems are cleansed very early into a match, it is considered "unlucky" rather than as it is now, which is, "an obnoxiously common occurrence."

[@creepykoala7255]

6:46 - 7:16 You might not like it, but this is what peak killer gameplay looks like.

[@WeskerEnthusiast]

7:30 I can't believe hux was the Toba Landing butcher.

[@petermiller5789]

Tonight’s the night, dead by daylight

[@Hyperdisk]

This makes me want to start playing my hex slinger again. Thrill, retribution, haunted, devour

[@lolohnah]

Retribution is wasted because no one is ever cleansing anything

[@Sweetness_01]

Just more proof that BHVR does not play their own game

[@Theenderslayer69ttv]

thrill is ggod right now. once hex totems are destroyed they are gone forever. the killer is effectivly running one less perk and totem spawns are stright garbage. they should be really hard and time consuming to complete.

[@AP-ub5rb]

I’ve just played 6 miserable games against the exact same build it’s a joke

[@siredquinn]

Skill issue

[@AP-ub5rb]

@ yeah sure 👍🏻

[@TurbulentEitri]

Have you tried using something like Counterforce yet? Going after dull totems first?

[@XxUndeadXTacoXx]

@@TurbulentEitrithen you get slapped with a nice and juicy Pentimento

[@plasmocity]

​@@TurbulentEitri doesn't help when your teammates are the ones making bad decisions☹️most survs do not know how to go against this whatsoever

[@benjaminwarren1472]

Twins is so slept on for a devour hope build. You can just plop victor down and get killer instinct when they get close to the totem

[@Wabit-b6k]

12:24 you’re trying to find a disabled girl?!??!!

[@nihilmyx7636]

When Otz says "the Sable girl" there's only 'd' missing from the accurate description of the player lmao

[@SMILEY666Y]

The fact that you as a survivor tried to cleanse a totem while thrill was active then got sliptreamed sniped and gets downed and then instantly gets moried in the process is hilarious its so mean.

[@ariche934]

works with houndmaster too cus she also has a addon to make survivors scream and it also gives her haste for quick catchup

[@QuickLuffy]

Please release the real Otz! 😭

[@thanos4769]

I think a better counter to this is counterforce and calm spirit. You can't get interrupted, and the totem cleansing won't take too much time, adding the fact that since everyone will be doing hex builds, cleansing the rest will be easier. Maybe even bring a map or even detective's hunch! (obviously, this needs a change so until then, that's my new survivor build)

[@thedutywarlord264]

I dont know what you thought but calm spirit does not make you scream but you still get interrupted if it's a doctor or any screaming perks

[@FreakeonSexKennedy]

calm spirit makes it take so much longer to cleanse tho

[@MrPherae]

Yeah they need to buff calm spirit and get rid of the delay on chests and totems and make sure screams can no longer interrupt you

[@thanos4769]

@@thedutywarlord264 oh does it still do the screaming animation regardless? I didn't know that, that prooobably shouldn't happen if you have the perk on

[@Hex-Blood]

doesn't calm spirit also slow down your cleanse speed?

[@bobjackson7157]

Doing the dull totems is actually some really good counterplay vs this build as it makes the cleansing time quicker. At the start of the game, tap a totem to see if they have thrill, if they do then break the dulls before going for the hexes. Obviously this build is aids regardless but it's probably your best bet

[@hess-]

Comp players have been doing this for years against totem defenders too lol

[@Derpsanddinks404]

I just noticed you hit 1 mil subs! Congrats my dude, you deserve every single one

[@piley1132]

Tbf no one was running any anti totem perks except sable in the final game with reilience and that requires you to be injured. 1 person with counterforce would disrupt this, giving you a 20 percent buff to totem cleansing for every totem you cleanse and give you the aura of the furthest totem. By the end of the game you would have 100-120 percent buff to cleansing and 200-220 percent if pentimento is involved. Not to mention that once you cleanse thrill its back to normal speeds and even if they miss that totem, you hit one of the important totems the killer wants to protect and it still reduces the tokens on thrill of the hunt lowering it by 14 percent. You need to ask yourself how much time would you give for 1 survivor to take away one of the killers perks for the rest of the game. Imo I think the devs looked through all the perks that are commonly used and are trying to buff the ones that aren't being used atm like counterforce and small game. Perks that are really only used for archive challenges. Seems to me that the devs are trying to push survivors into doing side objectives such as the chests and totems and killers towards using more hex related perks. They buffed ace in the hole and pharmacy to offer rarer items. Dracula has 2 perks revolving around totems and closing chests. The opening of chests has being made quicker by 2 seconds. Most people consider opening chests and doing dull totems as a waste of time. Even though they make up a third of the interactions in the game.

[@RoyalCrest-LetsPlaysAndMore]

The issue is that the first totem, even with Counterforce, only cuts off about 8 seconds (cleansing the first totem still takes a little over 38 seconds; in contrast, pre-buff it was 28 seconds WITHOUT counterforce). It's still a MASSIVE time investment and only makes countering some Killer builds (like Doctor with double static blast cooldown) possible by very slim margins. And even so, the killer can still protect their totems with Undying, Dominance, or Pentimento that turns this into a massive time sink that probably adds up to well over a gen's worth of time. I agree that the devs are trying push secondary objectives, but they're definitely band-aiding it as usual through perks instead of addressing the fundamental problems that make them not worthwhile.

[@maxime_627]

Played a match against a wraith playing Ruin, Devour Hope, Thrill and the knight perk that makes you scream every 30 seconds when someone is injured, it was literally impossible to cleanse any totem…

[@KoH4711]

DBD has been out for 8 years. Nearly a decade and BHVR still can't figure out how to NOT completely break their own game.

[@mikeoxlong4812]

Oh no killers won't get their hexes cleansed within a minute of the game starting, how broken

[@DogMakingSausage]

​​@@mikeoxlong4812dude don't understand the problem. Also kill rate is above 60% so no need to cry :)

[@Leon69699]

@@mikeoxlong4812 well, yes it is broken. Hexes are supposed to be high-risk high-reward, if you remove any risk of having a hex and only take high-reward then it definitely is broken. Not to mention that just by TRYING to cleanse a totem rn you're literally wasting time and the killer still gets to keep one of the most powerful perk effects in the game (like Devour Hope, literally a NOED after 3 hooks, Ruin etc.). Just imagine the outcry if they made so that Dead Hard made you have I-frames for 10 seconds and the killer had no way to counter that whatsoever.

[@chrisnotpratt1903]

​@@mikeoxlong4812 so now killers get to camp their totems or make it damn near impossible to even cleanse it at all. L take.

[@blue797]

@@Leon69699 buffing one single perk that slows down totem cleanses isn't "removing all risk" from running hexes lmao. This is the ultimate survivor mentality.

[@ilshail153]

While this needs obvious tweaking, I kinda hope something like this stays or is encouraged. Its rare to see Killers doing something outside of using their powers primarily for chasing, and its kinda cool to see the changes in gameplan for more totem-based builds. Could add some fun variety to the killers imo

[@SirGlacius1]

00:55 that Nea is so mad she's being moried LMAO

[@lawluu]

She really said “smh”

[@Djfmi]

I miss the days where you discussed the perks this video felt so refreshing great job as always

[@jackcrel7111]

Awesome finally making hexes worth while. Played docter with distressing and devour hope. Probably gonna add thrill now.

[@calgcfc1]

Worthwhile is an understatement. This shit is busted

[@jackcrel7111]

And losing your hexes 60 seconds or less at the start of a match isn't.

[@user-ie4uk3ub6c]

@@jackcrel7111it’s a hex…

[@jackcrel7111]

@@user-ie4uk3ub6c it's a hex they are supposed to be powerful, stronger than normal perks. Now thrill makes it so.

[@leonardocota4703]

Is it just me or is footage looking insanely good ???

[@rogueshadowunit4964]

8:50 hold up pause… do not play this build…

[@matthewalexander7872]

the only build that actually makes the killer scary. behaviour make more builds like this

[@kr4ftt]

16:56 TO BRAZILLL!!!

[@strombolex8452]

Are we still making this joke?

[@kr4ftt]

@strombolex8452 always

[@Rotten_Abyss]

Decent build: hex face the darkness, hex thrill of the hunt, hex devour hope, and either Hex plaything, or undetectable. Or both. Both is good.

[@Rotten_Abyss]

If you have undetectable while plaything isn’t up then all you have to do is hit one survivor, and avoid them like the plague until they heal. The plaything stacks help snowball insanely. You don’t need devour you can pentimento

[@cjames9320]

I wonder when we're going to adress how broken SWFs are?

[@emoneestep]

There's not really anything BHVR can do about SWFs. Nerfs to the survivor side hurt solo queue more than swf. And doing something like, putting SWFs in a different queue would essentially be punishing players for playing a party game with their friends - not to mention decrease overall player count and lead to longer queue times all around.

[@cjames9320]

@emoneestep just don't allow SWFs to run perks, or limit gen speed, or limit number of heals. There are plenty of things they can do

[@kingkurasaki4095]

Literally everyone knows swf is strong

[@kingkurasaki4095]

@@cjames9320 this would likely kill the playerbase if they punished people for playing a non competitive game with their friends lol

[@derpyduck5088]

@@emoneestep There's A LOT they can do for SWF's. 1. Tell the killer who's in SWFs, so they can play differently. ie if Jill finds your totem, you automatically know Rebecca knows where it is too. 2. Let SWF's only bring one type of item each, no duplicates. 3. Ban/Nerf certain perks, but only when a player is SWF'd. Example: For The People+Buckle Up. 4. Increase/Decrease times for SWF players only. So gens take 100 seconds for a 4 man SWF, or their hook timer is only 50 seconds. The issue is that current code is only designed to put you in the same lobby, and return you to the same lobby. Once you are in a game, DbD doesn't know if you're swf'd or not. Because of that BHVR can't nerf swf's specifically because they don't know who's swf'd and who's not, so they'd have to redo the code and god forbid they do actual work with their 8 year old game.

[@sworldmaster]

no one talks about face the dark where survivors scream every 30 seconds making it impossible except for the one proc'ing the totem to do any cleanse.

[@Somalia2005]

What a waste of good suffering

[@madalynjackson9975]

literally thought thrill was bugged until i looked at the patchnotes. this is insane.

[@PoppyPanda1115]

It's cool that Otzdarva collects skins of killers before getting on DBD

[@Hupert265]

Thanks otz just faced 3 of these in a row crying rn

[@baconmaster9996]

If they nerf Thrill, I hope Hexs get across the board buffs because it feels nice to use hexes and them to NOT get cleaned 5 seconds into the start of a match. I also hope they leave Fatty Meat alone. Its a funny add on, especially against Steve Gulls. If screaming is really an issue for totem cleaning, Power cleansing (pig comes to mind), etc, then make it so screaming no longer interrupts actions. There, screaming no longer an issue. That seems to be the issue with screaming. Interrupting important actions.

[@Like_Whut]

The point of a Hex is being a glass cannon. It's strong but it can be countered. There is some luck involved with the spawns you get as well, just like many strong survivor perks are also situational and sometimes you don't really get to use it.

[@baconmaster9996]

@Like_Whut i understand that But people bring hexes to get some value, then they get cleaned. NOT load into a game, gone 7 seconds later without any value gotten from them. Which is why Pentimento is so popular. At leat then, youll slow down the game massively for a short while. Saw a game with a Twins player once. Game starts. 30 seconds later, their Devour AND undying gone within seconds of each other , before any hooks and the Twins DCd immediately. What does that teach new players? Dam, hex spawn are terrible. I shouldn't use them. Id just want longer base time cleanse at the very least. Maybe base kit Corrupt but for totems at the start. Something, anything to make it them not die instantly due to bad spawn logic

[@Markus123_]

​@@Like_Whut yea I heard the same bullshit before. I'm tired of getting my hex cleansed in the 1st minute of the game because the survivor spawned next to it. Instead of reverting the thrill change they should add a grace peroid to totems so they can't be cleansed for the first 2 minutes of every match basekit

[@borutoburrito6547]

Old thrill slowed down hexes enough. 50% at the start of the match is a pretty massive slowdown, it doesn't need the extra 4% to be good.

[@baconmaster9996]

​@@Markus123_ I agree with this. Maybe give hexes base kit Corrupt like effect as well.

[@amazontiger1568]

They really changed the meta from running 4 gen perks to running 4 totem perks.