BHVR... say sike right now... | Dead by Daylight

So recently our pal @hydrodictyonEN informed me that the devs have finally confirmed that the new plague "bug" is actually an intended feature; the Plague will now lose her power after being stunned by almost any means. Plague not losing her power to other stuns was actually bug for FIVE YEARS, it turns out. This video analyzes this baffling revelation and showcases a build that helps to ignore this new weakness.
0:00 Context
3:42 Build Explained
4:38 Plague Gameplay
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[@39Balalaika]

When i'm in a "change a thing nobody asked for" competition and my opponent is bhvr

[@atmosdwagon4656]

Well, that was Pig's and Hillbilly's existence for the longest time; the torch hath been passed.

[@clockwork6020]

yk what, idc if its just a meme, lets all brainstorm a change that nobody would ask for and outperform bhvr in this competition

[@manyplural4265]

otz's point about some changes being not what people ask for because we don't know every detail about the game isnt good either, because the only reason we don't know everything about the game is because BHVR's data collection is terrible, and that's just what they tell us about! I swear the deciiosn making on that team is wild.

[@Octobxr]

yeah you're cooked

[@alexknight81]

@@clockwork6020 Killers now have to perfom the konami code every time they want to use their powers, not hitting it correctly puts said power in a cooldown for 1 minute

[@soulkuza9307]

We've heard your complaints. As a result, we've decided to remove the plague's power completely.

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

We heard that you are all complaining about Plague. As such, we have buffed Blight

[@Ryan-mf2rg]

​@@bruuuuuuuuhhhhlmao

[@akalixevelynn2932]

finally someone making sense

[@Longshot441]

Someone must take the pigs place. Dbd gods demand a sacrafice.

[@unliminal3799]

im just gonna start using lightborn

[@Luke-cp9to]

Wraith using power: a light, blowing whisper Plague activating power: METAL CHURNING TWISTED MACHINE BUZZ

[@sf8262]

Yeah because plague's power is 100x better than wraiths. Can literally double tap you in 5 seconds

[@erbinha_1234]

​@@sf8262And so you should be deaf to all other sounds in the game? What?

[@BlackMetalBroad]

*C L O N K*

[@evilhillbilly03]

@@erbinha_1234 Yes.

[@sf8262]

@@erbinha_1234 that way you cant miss it and get surprised that she has power. if the killer is off getting her fountain, what other sound is so important?

[@TheOldWhovian]

BHVR: We can't make stunning nurse take away her power. Also BHVR: On plague.

[@yeonfps]

For a brief moment in the intro I was fearing they had removed the pallet stun taking her power and got scared.

[@notOtzdarva]

It's kinda scary that they're so inconsistent with their balance that this wouldn't even be so crazy. After all we have other Killers like Myers or Oni that don't lose their power after a stun.

[@dicerson9976]

@@notOtzdarva No Otz, don't say this! They just might hear you and actually do it. Myers has had it hard enough, he doesn't need even more reliance on tombstone t.t

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

@@notOtzdarvaOtz in a Marvel Movie be like: “Welp, at least it’s not raining”

[@DS3Enjoyer]

​@@dicerson9976 This may be hard to believe... but they don't listen to him over balance suggestions

[@CarlosHuiskens]

@@notOtzdarva They are definitely inconsistent but I do think this change is a good thing. Her power is extremely good because she doesn't need to M1 survivors to injure them.

[@fordprefectt69420]

otz, without you I'd be dead by daylight

[@Pyrax-Tunneled-You]

trademark

[@Michael-hj7vj]

Oh, thats a good one

[@cameronsmith9099]

He's unironically the only thing I enjoy about DbD right now. I haven't played in months, but I've watched every single video of his.

[@CreatorProductionsOriginal]

@@cameronsmith9099 fr tho I don’t know why, but I love watching vids about some games even if I left the community or just weren’t in touch Im like, still keeping up with Piggy news even tho the last time I played was like, in start of 2023

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

@@cameronsmith9099Him, Dustaroo and Pixel Bush are my only links to DbD as a franchise anymore

[@gringusbringus432]

I mean, this isn't the first time they called a random change a bug. Back when they released the killer stun patch, they said it was a bug that you had to time the pallet drop or flashlight save when a pickup was happening; that it was always intended to count at any point during the animation. BHVR seems to like using the term "bug fix" as a way to change things on a whim.

[@arcarc2663]

Same as the black bubble Kindred/Bitter Murmur aura change. Showed auras for 6 years. One day, they declared that was a bug, and that was that.

[@ianpackard6722]

This is also weird because they have been actively moving away from the design of certain perks affecting certain killers. Like how, before this patch, Freddy's dreamworld was actively countered by Adrenaline. So now Plague is actively countered by Blast Mine and DS? Two stun perks, but not the base mechanics of flashlight saves or wiggling out. Incredibly bizarre choice on Behavior's part.

[@tinymicrowave6821]

Blast mine applies because it is a blind and plague cannot be hit by it when carrying a survivor But the decisive strike change really doesn’t make sense to me and probably should be reverted

[@HardTahc]

It’s because it’s a stun, not because it’s a perk. That makes sense and is consistent with the logic of the power and the current design ethos

[@motalux]

it feels more like spaghetti code than an international change to me

[@dbdstuffuncut]

What about head-on?

[@dineez627]

@@HardTahc But the stun comes from a perk which means this is consistent with the logic of the power but isn't with the current design ethos.

[@Gewrghs]

Love how i picked up Plague right before this patch, and Deceisive started being more prominent again.

[@notOtzdarva]

Plague tip: Travel back in time to 2021 during the boon meta to be at your strongest.

[@blujaye.]

@@notOtzdarva This Nerf was 100% warranted. Plague can down any survivor that uses DS faster than almost every other killer. idk why you keep saying nobody asked for this and how bad this nerf is when its defintely better for her

[@adanhollis6732]

Same! Literally just got this skin for her and wanted to play her for a while, not a great start

[@Gewrghs]

@@notOtzdarva aight, hoping on the time machine now

[@beowulf6809]

2021 - that was when I really got into the game and got the adept for Plague! I always hated that pallet stuns stripped her of her power. Now I have more reasons to hate stuns.

[@tattedmedic]

The devs are amazing at: 1. Not playing their own game. 2. Making random changes on a whim.

[@deivytrajan]

Dbd game dev wpuld destroy 99% of dbd players easily. Have some respect

[@tattedmedic]

@@deivytrajan spaghetti code devs who got lucky. no respect.

[@GokuOffersYouAPotara]

@@deivytrajan How much did BHVR pay you to post this comment

[@YagamiTrala]

They did sneak nerf when they made it so you loose PWYF stacks when using vile purge. They didn't announce it in any patchnotes. They also raised the volume of her prayers, they used to be quiter when she first released. They didn't mention that either. Idk what's going on with shadow nerfs for pure Plague :(

[@_Lunaria]

its obvious. Bhvr has stopped to even pretend that they want the game to be balanced and fair to both survivors and killers. They clearly only care about the survivors, hence they are nerfing killers and then nerfing them more with such shadow nerfs that they dont even mention. Cause if survivors would not always win, there would be 4 bad reviews, so when they make killers suck ass.. there is only 1 bad review.

[@darian697]

@@_Lunaria youre weird

[@_Lunaria]

@@darian697 Yup, but i didnt hear you even try to argue against my point :p i guess you too realize that im right on this.

[@k8rgrl]

@@_LunariaKiller main here. I literally never play surv. The game is balanced fine. They literally just reworked billy into being a threatening killer that feels good to play against, and has a good kill rate according to both fan statistics (nightlight) and official statistics. Never forget that survivors had to deal with the absurdity of old nurse, who warped the meta so hard that perks were balanced around her.

[@_Lunaria]

@@k8rgrl Oh so thats why they keep doing stealth nerfs like this ? Cause the game is "balanced" now and they dont even dare to let the players know that they are nerfing killers much more than they want to admit ? Yea yea i got ya, thats totally the case. I do wonder if the Stats you are looking at, are anything like his video where he checks the killer pick rate / kill rate. And freddie which is picked less than 1% of the time, has like 65% killrate, it doesnt mean the killer is good, or picked often. It only means that the one guy who picked Freddy couple of times, got 3k in the 3 out of 5 matches..

[@dojodemojo4403]

I don't believe that BHVR didn't realize this there's no way, has to be a miscommunication

[@SoupDisaster]

At first I was thinking that it was some bug/miscommunication, but looking back on it after a few hours, It more looks like one of those questionable changes that was made during the engine shift like the brutal strength change and issues with net-coding. Still confusing and shitty, and I hoped they got their shit together after the Billy overcharge rework, but it seems like it was a random spike in good quality and not really a consistent "we're back" kind of thing. Personally, there's still good qualities to DBD, but it's slowly shrinking as behavior keeps dropping the ball on these changes. It feels like they took the "Turn bugs into features" advice in the worst possible direction and made it for things that just worsen the character and give nothing to compensate for it. (one last thing, you can still somewhat take advantage of this, because everyone's going to want to stun plague, run "hubris" so they can eat shit and die)

[@alpha-tomahawk532]

@@SoupDisaster Why comment something like this under a video in intro of which it is confirmed that it's intended change and is actually a bizzare "fix" of a 5 year old since release bug that was taken as granted. Miscommunication wouldn't be the main and only problem that plagues their dev team, they still insist on saying that they playtest ever patch themselves as a dev team (aka the anniversary commentaries and reddit Q&A answers) and somehow went trough plague numerous times each and every patch without noticing this. And it's not even the first time, Wesker couldn't slap survivors and always grabbed them for like 3/4 of a year untill it took them a killswitching bug to realise there was another all along, and even then it took them 2-3 additional months to fix that little line of code making him recognise when to grab and when to slap. This is below indie game dev level of incompetence and there's no "accidents" involved - they're just that bad.

[@SCP-tn2ln]

@@SoupDisaster 3:09

[@midnightmalice4501]

Like, no matter what, it makes them look bad right? The options are, we made up some excuse for changing this, we left a fairly major bug in the game for this character for half a decade and finally decided to fix it, or, we don't know how to communicate properly. I keep up with DBD news, hoping for a reason to come back. Every time I catch up on what has been going on, the headline is almost always "BHVR does a thing that doesn't make any sense, breaks the game" I haven't played since.... Wesker pretty much, and it is directly related to how they constantly "fix" their game. I went from 3 kills pretty consistently to, didn't even get a hook consistently.

[@salicyl3350]

This just makes me remember the "look down after hit" that BHVR randomly "fixed" after 7 fucking years and everybody fucking hated it. Youre telling me that a very obvious animation has been bugged since release and you finally managed to "fix" it? Thank fuck they didnt implement it after the PTB.

[@magi_n7]

THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS! I tried breaking the news to BHVR as soon as I discovered it a few months ago. As a 2k hour Plague enthusiast, this change was quite bizarre alongside her receiving much more bugs. Plague received ANOTHER silent nerf last patch as she fired less projectiles with vile purge than previous. There was issues with her cooldown animations being horribly misaligned and her animations didn't work for awhile. IDK why they decided to nerf stock instead of the seal as that addon alone fundamentally breaks her kit. It's kinda heartbreaking (btw Love you and the work you do for our community!)

[@pyken3605]

Plague is the new pig

[@btchcraft3244]

Plagues animation has been bugged for me for months. Walking and puking. She gets stuck with a little vom coming out of her mouth all the time lol

[@BrysonLeigh]

I find this change furstrating because of the situations you can't prepare for, such as Blast Mine. If you go to kick a gen and randomly discover that the survivors had that perk, your one default fountain has now become useless.

[@8666]

grats on 1 million you wonderful man. love how good you are at being both analytical and fun at the same time

[@darrenjermyn6725]

My biggest theory is that most of the old developers have left behaviour over the years, or the ones that are still in, have gone up the corporate ladder. We now have a whole new dev team that's been ironing out the years of bugs and inconsistencies, including this plague change. This would also explain some of the wacky bugs we've been seeing since this new generation of devs are trying to unravel half a decade of coding, shaping it into their own image. Fingers crossed that this change gets reverted because, as Otz gracefully said, makes no sense.

[@emmahorton3466]

i keep telling my friends this!! there is a whole new creative director, we are seeing his vision in the game!!!!

[@Bopiz787]

@@emmahorton3466 his vision is shit

[@AlTiri-rd7ly]

As someone who works at a junior dev position for a very famous AAA game, it is hell. We're pulling all nighters every day of the week, and like original comment said, we're unraveling years of bugs.

[@emmahorton3466]

@AlTiri-rd7ly I've heard its a job you really have to love to do. thanks for doing it! more people than you know love what you help create. negative comments are always the loudest

[@rytsuryn]

I was going to ask if anyone thought this could be a possibility/why the change in this way. Thank you for being able to word it much better than I could have.

[@Mcflirts]

Ah man, this change is SICKENING

[@unknownnametag6595]

Ayyyyyyyy

[@Allanfeijoada]

I would even say, that it's a "plague" in our community.

[@MajFour70_]

@@Allanfeijoadathe change left a bad taste in my mouth

[@makorutledge202]

"it was always intended to be like that" i think this can be translated to " we somewhat fucked up something....again..., and due to spaghetti code, that thing will stay as it is."

[@user-us6cc2mb9n]

If you played TF2; Do you remember when they removed bullet penetration for the Righteous Bison? The patch notes claimed it was a bug, and needed to be patched out. But in the loading screen, the tips menu talks about this as if it's intended. That was a meme in the TF2 community for a while. This reminds me of that. Really weird change.

[@tinfoilpapercut3547]

We are listening, based on feedback the Pig maximum movement speed has been changed to 4.0 m/s.

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

To compensate, survivors can no longer remove RBTs from their heads to make her more in line with her depiction in the movies

[@RedrumZombies]

Jigsaw has came to test her 1 more time.

[@user-jj7te5gl9g]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the move to UE5? Like they literally couldn't fix this bug for the past five years without it breaking spirit or knight again somehow. Or maybe they just noticed it as they were playtesting the plague after moving her code over? So strange. Maybe we can convince them Nurse not loosing her charges on a stun is a bug too!

[@notOtzdarva]

No, this "bug" has actually been in the game since update 7.6.0 a while ago, I just firmly believed that it was a bug and not a feature.

[@Hedwyn47]

​@@notOtzdarvadbd has soo many bugs that some of them just become a feature

[@STUVash]

It is very simple really. Either the direction trust a bad balancing team OR the direction doesn't always trust a good balancing team and forces illogical changes, OR no one really understands how to balance this game. There's no 4th option, it's been too many of the weirdest occurences, it cannot be an accident. Love your work @notOtzdarva, may your sanity overcome the recurrent circus.

[@chilX3467]

This reminds of a similar time in tf2 where a weapon called the righteous bison was added to the game, a laser gun that could pierce through enemies. Then roughly 5 years later, they removed the pierce effect claiming that it was a bug despite being part of the gun ever since it got introduced to the game and the gun became a neutered version of itself and it wasn't even that good to start with. The change was reverted a year later but somehow it's still not the same gun it used to be before the pierce got removed, it deals less damage than it's original version and this was never fixed to this day.

[@DasNarri]

Hi otz, this is friends!

[@notOtzdarva]

Helloo friendoooooos

[@Toulippy]

@@notOtzdarvahey!

[@angelman906]

@@Toulippythe REAL Otz would have said hi back to you smh

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@notOtzdarva Hullo!

[@troncat8490]

I don't know you

[@youreprettygood1414]

"We hear you! We made a mistake, and as reconciliation, we will be setting the record straight by nerfing Pig."

[@VTubersubs]

The bug part is the most amazing part. It honestly reminds me of how most newer killers have anti-camp baked into their power. Meanwhile (correct me if this has been changed), hag can have traps set at a hook and they remain, OR set new traps nearby the hook. Sure, "just crouch" was always an option (and is maybe a bit stronger now), but boy does that kind of thing still bother me.

[@brenyselira3714]

I started playing DBD in 2020. I assumed DS and Head on stuns would knock her out of her power, b/c her description says, "...loses power when stunned..." No specifying only pallet stuns. I also feel like I remember seeing a video from Monto and Puppers(RIP) and they head on her out of her power very early on, but it's been way too long of this not being the case that no one felt this a bug

[@DeadFTP]

It's very satisfying to see Otz at 1 million subs. Congratulations, Otz!

[@notOtzdarva]

Thank you all.

[@PainReliever]

Sounds like a Blast Mine buff :^)

[@Flotter-Flo]

Its still a perk that, against a good killer, will steal 5 secs of their time once per match, at its best. Not exactly worth a perk slot, unless it really gets you your kick to watch the killer eat a quick stun while youre just standing around being useless, lol

[@yorukomitsui8654]

Thing is I remember getting Plague out of her power with Head on on release. It was in the game, just like stunning zombies with head on and destroying them (which also got fixed this patch) Both were in the game, but because Head On isn't as popular, it wasn't fixed until now

[@frostkilling]

I remember getting her out of her power with Blast Mine when the perk came out too so I'm genuinely confused, I was honestly under the impression it had always been like that.

[@NoTime4692]

I can't remember the other time but I swear this is the second time they nerfed something claiming it's old situation was a "bug" that they somehow ignored for multiple years before changing. Oh I remember now, it was the camera getting locked down when hitting a survivor on some of the killers.

[@TowerOfBabylon]

I mean, plague did come out the same chapter as Jane. And since Head On is Jane's perk, it COULD be plausible that they meant for it to interact with the plague as a form of in chapter counter.

[@notOtzdarva]

OK now explain Blast Mine 😂

[@jamesgray568]

Lmao 🤣

[@rickkcir2151]

Ah yes, a bug that has apparently gone unnoticed or unfixable for 5 years.

[@Sqbrensbeve]

​@@notOtzdarva blast mine is Jill's perk and she has a lot of experience in fighting infected enemies

[@tovexd]

As plague and head on was added at the same time how did it not get noticed that head on didn’t pull plague from her power

[@outofsortsone]

Absolutely comes off as spaghetti code issues at first. Maybe they misunderstood in the bug report that you meant *every* stun outside of just pallets. I’m not sure if it’s reviewed by a person or automated. Hope this gets reverted soon because it’s just so bizarre and if they’re willing to say somethin like this was always intended, I hate to know what else they’d be willing to change and just say it was always supposed to behave that way

[@General_Weebus]

It wouldn't be the first time they claimed a bug or bad change was "always intended" when it very obviously wasn't

[@Predated2]

I mean, Nurse being stunned by a pallet used to go through the stun animation and then fatique. Yet that was a "bug" since the release of the game. Odds are, now that they are moving everything to UE5, that they are revisiting a lot of things and noticing ancient bugs. Odds are that they dont put them in the patch notes, because they did exactly what the old files were SUPPOSED to do. They didnt change a thing, its just that when recreated with actual scripts instead of the UE blueprints, there are less bugs like this. Honestly, even if it seems like it sucks, this is a good thing overall. It means that there will be less spaghetti code, killers will have their own folder with their own scripts, instead of killers borrowing from an existing blueprint, which means less bugs overall.

[@just_ultimatum]

I am a Singularity main, and noticed that he got nerfed. Previously when his Biopods got emp’d, he would get a sound notification that some of all cameras got emp’d. But now there is no sound notification, and sometimes I even don’t know my cam was broken for like 20-30 seconds and some survivor nearly did a gen while I didn’t even know this. It’s now way harder to play as Singularity, especially on bigger maps. It’s a very influential change on this killer

[@darkodom]

Yo I thought I was going insane not hearing my cameras get popped. Can't believe these changes sometimes. I get it can be annoying to hear it sometimes but it really does help with having to micro-manage the entire map.

[@spaghettiwizard2551]

So we thought that Plague was bugged, but it turns out that that "bug" was just BHVR fixing her so she works as intended. She was bugged since her release, and its being fixed after FIVE years. Five . . . Years. If that ain't the most BHVR shit, idk what is.

[@jacka7275]

We at BHVR hear you, and have unanimously decided to nerf trapper and buff blight add-ons

[@artemyburakh12]

I actually do think they just never bothered fixing this bug. It always seemed a bit odd that decisive would not end her power but the pallet stun *while recovering from the DS stun* would. But it's indeed a weird change

[@Lily-iu1ku]

"Hey this one plague add-on is kinda overpowered" "Alrighty, let's nerf her power"

[@Movieplayer112]

I think it's a whole lot weirder that one stun stops a killer's power, but others don't, and I'm perfectly fine that BHVR is streamlining mechanics. With that said, I'd rather have Plague loose a small amount of duration (like 10% or something), rather than the whole things goes.

[@vorpywastaken]

Ah yes, a classic BHVR moment.

[@jb217]

Wow I did not realise this playing plague I got so confused when I kept losing my power 😭😭

[@bugologist2]

I feel like this wouldn't be such a problem if they A: put it in the patch notes B: explain the reasoning C: didnt call the last five years a "bug"

[@Pajron21]

From what I remember blast mine stun already worked like this ever since the perk got released or at least when it got nerfed, I remember at some point last year I put up a blast mine on a gen and it was a game against plague, once she kicked it she lost her corrupt purge

[@Yorukin]

Playing devil's advocate here, I think this change "can" be healthy for consistency's sake. If all stuns are treated equal by various different features, then the game is following a clear set of rules. Corrupt Purge is a very powerful tool, and while I agree that stuns should be a solid counterplay to it, its current on/off behavior when she gets stunned is far weaker when stuns that don't come from pallets can also trigger it. Beyond that, wiggles and blinding rescues are still breaking these established rules, and should really be included in the list here. Additionally, if stuns are meant to counter strong powers, then they should have a similar impact on other killers that have much more free access to said powers. Blight, Nurse, and Wesker all have simple, multi-charge dashes that can quickly close any gaps created by a stun; Xenomorph and Oni have their own enhanced states that are merely inconvenienced by stuns; and I'm sure there are others that are slipping my mind. All in all, I would be okay with this Plague change *IF* they treated the rest of the mechanic with due care. But they didn't, and this change on its own sucks.

[@davidlewis1418]

Making stuns too powerful, including those from flashy saves, encourages slugging. As a killer, that feels dirty. I can only imagine a survivor couldn't like that either.

[@davidatlas123]

But thats the thing, if all stuns are treated "equally", guess who will not care about them? (Hint, its the strongest killer who ignores pallets pretty much) The only stun a Nurse eats on the regular is DS, and sure disabling powers if hit by DS is a reasonable thing maybe but not from head on and blast mine, like thats just weird

[@arnaudthouvenot929]

but then, why is the power removal not explained anywhere in the in-game tooltip of her power ? why is the power removal tied to the pallet drop and not the actual stun (since you get the power removed even if the stun isn't applied i.e. while picking up) why were they constantly moving away from perks affecting killer powers (adren vs freddy being the most recent change)

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

Consistency leads to homogeneity. Homogeneity leads to a dull game. Pass.

[@mckookie2967]

Agreed. OW has this problem with their tanks in 5v5.​@@TheRealMycanthrope

[@ElmosSon317]

did they really expect us to believe it was a 5 YEAR BUG!

[@desadia]

blight's hug tech was an over 3 year bug. yes. it's bhvr.

[@XxUndeadXTacoXx]

Blast mine was “bugged” for like 2 years so I do believe they are that incompetent

[@darkodom]

Honestly, since its BHVR, I'd believe it. Such a sad thing to say.

[@syn4621]

​​@@desadiaokay but they said hug tech was a bug multiple times after it's release, like 2 years ago. it's the first time we are hearing this is supposedly a bug from bhvr after 5 years. not even comparable.

[@desadia]

@@syn4621 i mean nobody talked about the plague thing whereas everybody was yapping about hug techs so yeah, of course they’re going to talk about what the community is talking about

[@chriscastillo4394]

Honestly I think it’s a balence change cuz like let be real most plague respect pallets when they have corrupt purge which will be really hard to counter so having a few other counters would be nice

[@DelStinky]

Otz- “Do you like the plague?” Victorian child- “”

[@rileyp1506]

don't worry Otz, this is most definitely unintentional and will be fixed in 4 to 6 months

[@Hydrodictyon]

Wow, didn't expect you to make this little story into a video. Thank you for bringing attention to the matter, means a lot! *First of all, I noticed this issue on the day of 7.6.0 release, BEFORE the new game engine. A lot of people seem to try an connect this change to current patch, it is not.* While I'm at it, I'd like to clarify one thing: at least for me, the most baffling thing isnt the change itself - after all, if something is a bug, it needs to be fixed, whether I like it or not. What really struck a nerve here was that *the change was done in complete silence. Why, BHVR?* With so many bugs in the game, wouldn't it be cool to tell your community that you finally fixed an issued that plagued a character for years? *And would we ever find out if nobody reported that as a bug?* The real problem isn't the change, but rather the total lack of communication about it.

[@tinymicrowave6821]

Might’ve just forgotten about the change when porting to UE5

[@Hydrodictyon]

The change happened WAY earlier. I myself noticed it the day 7.6.0 dropped, but might’ve happened even before that, I don’t play Plague much these days due to her current bug pollution

[@quenty_]

@@Hydrodictyon Я думаю это не изменение, а очередной баг в море багов. Остаётся лишь надеется, что переход на новый движок сдвинет с места этот кусок спаггети под названием дбд

[@Hydrodictyon]

@@quenty_ к сожалению - и Отз этот мой скрин в видео вставил - мне в ветке багрепортов ответили, что это не баг.

[@drsherifff]

that plagued a character Hehehe

[@Deadgye]

Imagine the psychological quality of life improvement the playerbase could have if BHVR maintained an exhaustive known issues list on their website.

[@gigure9411]

“It was always supposed to be like this” - BHVR when removing hug tech from blight

[@somekinnn]

I feel like the "Is this another situation where BHVR... Accidentally miscommunicates?" is a bit of a euphemism.

[@johntrains1317]

Bro. BHVR is out of their mind

[@elion3578]

No

[@taylorviscaino95]

another change that doesnt appear in any patch note was that hunting time from the skull merchant doesnt give you the speed boost when you break a pallet using an m2 like nemesis, demo , buba really awfull for an already unusefull perk

[@libby7148]

if they are going to implement changes like this, it should apply to all high level killers that “charge” an M2 power.

[@bargin2587]

What is up with game companies just making the worst decisions possible lately? BSG and tarkov, BHVR and DBD, Bethesda and Fallout 4. Its crazy right now.

[@shiro_eu]

"Behaviour accidentally miscommunicates". Ah yes, another one of those "isolated incidents"

[@Sun_TzuOfficial]

I can see the line of thought behind this. Why would a pallet stub taking you out of power but not any other stuns that kind of make sense

[@ink3487]

Because pallet stuns are basically only used in chase, where a plague with power is significantly stronger and the survivor takes on a ton of risk. Blast mine, DS, and head on to a lesser extent basically never happen in chase

[@Sun_TzuOfficial]

@@ink3487 with all due respect that doesn’t make sense or change what I said a stun is a stun doesn’t matter if it’s in chase my logic is if she gets stunned(regardless of running speed) I can see why they would go that route

[@sava-sd9eb]

They normally don't want to tie perks with killers like adrenaline against freddy, so why should DS work against plague

[@Sun_TzuOfficial]

@@sava-sd9eb with all due respect we are talking about stun. Stuns I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the change all I’m saying is that I follow the logic

[@Sun_TzuOfficial]

@@sava-sd9eb with all due we are talking about plague not Freddy not Jason vorhees not slender man

[@maggotthemadman8142]

Reminds me when they shadow nerfed the FOV for killers and it gave me the worst headaches ever! Just for them to change it back a little while ago....

[@Mazerwolf]

When i saw the thumbnail i thought you were excited Plague finally has a really cool skin

[@ChaosOnyx]

BHVR: so, we didn't lower the volume of the whispering, HOWEVER, you will be hearing the whispering less...

[@adamp-fs7zw]

the gameplay in this video is so good

[@causticwit9147]

Head On literally came with her chapter and we’re supposed to believe they just didn’t notice? Ok Bro

[@itsbethlol_]

Love to see the 1 million next to the name man

[@benmullenix4205]

Pro tip u can see if theres a mine on a gen, there will be a flashbang sitting on the top of the gen '

[@cosmokramer7926]

Some noob developer was probably planning to head on a plague trying to get rid of her power, then he popped out and after the stun plague shot red goop on him and downed him resulting in raging and an immediate fix.

[@darkodom]

Wouldn't surprise me. That's how we got flashlight nerfs lmao.

[@therandomgamer8107]

maybe they want to push the change into the direction of stuns temporarily disabling powers. it is a highly requested feature, from survivors

[@notOtzdarva]

So why didn't they start with Nurse or Blight, both of which would make a lot more sense from a balance perspective?? I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt but this was still a baffling decision.

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

No one’s requested this. Stop trying to blame ppl 💀💀💀💀

[@Peachrocks5]

@@notOtzdarva Honestly they don't play their own game and we both know it. I totally believe they always thought Plague's power was disabled on any stun already and were surprised it wasn't. The decisions they make are so out of touch and tone deaf so much of the time. They 'might' get it right on occasion when they 'listen' to extremely loud complaining (which is usually justified) but most of the time? It's throwing darts at a board blind.

[@daichei6882]

@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN People actually had, it's a very requested feature that of disabling powers, especially against strong chase oriented killers like blight and nurse, but also plague etc...

[@kaib6998]

​@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYNplenty of people requested this, stop speaking on behalf of the entire playerbase

[@mindkeeper7455]

one of the devs got downed by the corrupt purge immediately after DS stun and got frustrated so they "fixed" it

[@bxf7327]

To be fair, I am not very surprised about DS change, I mean plague can be very strong at camping / tunneling someone out of the game fast since you can keep a whole team injured or double m2 in some scenarios But I agree with the "why plague and not nurse or blight" Mistigated about Head on, I find this change kinda incoherent with bhvr explaining that perks interacting with killer powers mostly create impossible to balance scenarios like 2 weeks ago And I mean, if someone enter into a locker before you can grab them, you're put in a loose loose situation, similar to twins, when you can't grab nor take the stun, this is so weird And for blast mine, I just don't get it, there's no way to know if you can kick a gen or not so nobody will take the risk, especially with pain res, thanatophobia or any options that alows you to avoid kicking gens Since Blast Mine makes you loose around 10 seconds with the stun blind and the double kicking animation, I just don't get why this is a thing Anyways, thx for the video, I had no idea about that, strange that this is not written in the mid chapter patch

[@wtf_is_a_handle.]

I'm a fellow Plaguer myself, actually XD

[@marisdotter]

I'd bet that due to the engine change some good ol' spaghetti code is making this happen. Just because they have not mentioned it in the log or notes.

[@dbdstuffuncut]

shadow nerf possibly

[@acemack2]

This has been in the game for about 2 months so it's not the new engine

[@lawd.9829]

"Why did you do it?" BHVR: "It's funny."

[@teaQtheQT]

I agree with your points how it's a 5 year-long "bug" and it wasn't mentioned at all in any patch notes. It's just really weird, out-of-the-blue, and even has the potential to harm newer players. However, I watched a video that addressed change a while back and the content creator said that they like it because it prevents the already very strong tunneling capabilities of Plague.

[@Pepsi_Dog_]

*survivors use map offering* Otz: "let's lock in a little bit" God i love this man's attitude HELL YEAH!!!

[@np5388]

What does lock in mean

[@jadenmental]

I think the bigger issue is godpallets with flashlights. Good survivors will now be able to, depending on walls, take your power with little counterplay.

[@tinymicrowave6821]

No, flashlight saves don’t remove power when you carry a survivor

[@jerrywong6672]

Hello otz, this is friends. And today, you know things are really bad because otz doesn't start his intro with "Hello friends, this is otz".

[@misclicked.4776]

Hey Otz, do you have any thoughts on not being able to see which survivor brought which offering anymore

[@Perfect0n]

I'm not personally a big plague fan (i dont dislike her. she's just not for me) But this is ridiculous.

[@TheCHRISCaPWN]

I am shocked that the Xenomorph never had the stun remove his runner mode. That makes more sense than this Plague change. Especially since Xeno gets runner mode passively. Seems way more OP than Plague.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

It isn't even close. Corrupt Purge is a ranged attack, runner mode gives you a slightly better version of Nemesis' tentacle. They are in no way comparable, and if Xenomorph didn't already have the stupid flamethrowers I'd agree with you.

[@TheCHRISCaPWN]

@@Seoul_Soldier my argument to that is xwno can brrak a flame thrower before it takes them out of runner mode, and if your team doesn't set up the flame throwers you are going against a killer who doesn't ever come out of power. It may not be as ranged as corrupt purge, but it can be equally, if not more devastating to a team over a whole match.

[@elmacho1336]

​@@Seoul_Soldier "slightly better tentacle" is putting it lightly. The range is better, the wind up takes much less time, the recovery time is shorter, you don't need to be infected, it can hit you through obstacles by looking up then down, you don't need to level it up for it to be good. Runner mode turns almost any loop in the game into impossible mode and the only "counterplay" can be broken before it even takes you out of power

[@alikyo]

I feel like they just unintentionally broke this aspect of her power with the new patch and just went "huh, thats the way it should be". Dont forget how bhvr broke nurses range addons, literally bringing back insta blinks and they acted the same way - "welp thats how it was supposed to be"

[@sample7762]

Oh boy, i'm sure bhvr will fix this, can't wait for the blight buff

[@ThatResolves]

They shoulda fixed them noisy ass whispers instead 😭😭😭

[@serioustable8659]

DS stun disabling killer powers is rocket science, too complicated, the way the quantum waves propagate, anybody below 600 IQ just wouldn't understand. And we don't want to have perks that especially counter specific characters, so we are moving away from perk design that singles out one character. But this is fine, in fact we meant to do it 5 years ago and just forgot 😀

[@Nixolas_Zinn]

I love how they made the move to tell us what they had planned, but proceed to not tell us what they do

[@Akhlyx]

BHVR designed Plague as an "infect all players and become M1 killer"

[@dardade3277]

2:10 I hear what you're saying, but counterargument: This change (even though the devs might have unintentionally made it) makes it *easier* for everyone to understand Plague's power. "You can stun the Plague out of her red puke" Player: ok that's a really cool counterplay, I just hit her with my fun niche perk, Head On "ooooooh SORRY that's the Wrong Kind of Stun so it doesn't count" Player: ??? Why the heck do some stuns work while other stuns don't? (Since flashlight stuns don't have this effect, there will still be some of that conundrum in the game anyway)

[@darkodom]

Counterpoint: I'd like a plague to not slug me for 2 minutes incase I have DS so she can use her power instead of losing it, and maybe not incentivize the killer we get debuffed from interacting with stuff to run even more gen regression to help counter blast mine. This just encourages unfun gameplay all around. I'm tired of BHVR doing that.

[@elmacho1336]

​@@darkodom counter counterpoint: if the killer is gonna slug you in case you have DS, they're gonna slug you either way, so it wouldn't matter. And blast mine shouldn't count as a stun anyway, it's a blind just like a flashlight save and should be treated as such.

[@neiiko5712]

I like the change honestly. Plague can be really overwhelming in solo q and this change both nerfs her a little and buffs otherwise relatively bad perks

[@tinymicrowave6821]

I wouldn’t say they are relatively bad perks, and this change hardly nerfs her (except for stunning with head on)

[@accjr4241]

Ruin and especially white hooks is not a bad perks, what are you talking about?

[@ChamplooMusashi]

the change makes sense in the long run if they say it was always a bug. id imagine theyll look at the numbers and see if a buff is needed but probably wont change her since i dont really think the numbers will adjust all that much

[@ReggieTheCaracal]

If they consider this a bug and "fix" it after 5 years well... I got a bad feeling about some other bugs out there. Spaghetti is one thing, but that feels like case of bad resource management and not forcing documentation policy on your workers. Feels like they themselves dont understand the code due to old team members being gone

[@cameronsunken844]

To be fair, I don’t think this change matter all that much? The only scenario that could regularly happen is a pallet stun, which is totally avoidable. I almost never kick gens as plague to be honest, I rely on thanatophobia ruin and pain res for the regression and just focus on infecting and making survivors so slow they’re forced to give me power or lose. I can understand being mad about a nerd like this, but honestly plague might have needed some slight counterplay like this.

[@faaskee7071]

At this point i'm not surprised. It's BHVR, Nerfing killers is their daily job.

[@arnaudthouvenot929]

yeah they're hating on killers so hard that pain res grim embrace is still in the game and they just made twins the best killer in the game, other than that they only nerf killers surely

[@sava-sd9eb]

​@@arnaudthouvenot929the twins buff didn't go through

[@the1necromancer]

@@arnaudthouvenot929 Oh no, only two of the previous eight good gen regression perks are still viable! 😨That's two too many!

[@elmacho1336]

​@@sava-sd9eb no but some of the various quality of life changes did, which, although they weren't as OP and were healthy for the killer, were still buffs nonetheless

[@arnaudthouvenot929]

@@sava-sd9eb if you don't think live release twins are top3 of killers, you need to watch some good players play it

[@Nzlaten]

It's a great change it makes a lot of sense. If one type of stun takes the power away then all stuns should also be able to do that idk why anyone is complaining

[@Spiritwalking]

e n t i t l e m e n t g o h a r d k i n g slaaaaaaaaay

[@Thunderbuddy213]

I hate plague so this is fine

[@mcdj99]

Hopefully less people playing this boring ass killer now.

[@darkodom]

This is truly a BHVR moment. "We know you don't want this, the people who like the killer don't want it, people never asked for it, its probably bad for the game... but we want it, so."

[@andrewandrew3713]

The bafflement on Otz face is cracking me up, and bhvr is actually going nuts

[@gamechannelminecraft6583]

"Congrats to everyone Who is early and who found this comment.. 🐼🐧😊

[@bluemario610]

3:20 Ah yes the classic "oh it's been a bug all this time, THIS is the fixed version"