Did Monty Deserve Better? (The Unloved Glamrock)

[@richardderatte6672]

Great video, I learned so much about my favorite modern fnaf character! As a pre-Ruin Monty defender, I feel there are a couple more details about Monty in base security breach that really drive home how little Steel Wool gave Monty. 1. His quote after enter monty golf. When you enter any of the other glamrocks’ attractions, they give you a detailed description of their attraction, which includes tons of personality. That’s where Roxy’s famous “Nobody likes a loser.” line comes from, and I swear Freddy’s fazerblast one is over a minute long, it’s like a sketch. The voiceline when you enter the Monty Golf elevator is "Welcome to Monty's Gator Golf. Home of the Hurricane Hole in One! We're currently closed for the night, come back soon!" HUH?? None of the other recordings mention being closed, not even Roxy’s, even though her attraction is literally closed for repairs! That isn’t development crunch, that’s writing crunch, and I’m comfortable saying that knowing Security Breach suffered from both. You hit the nail on the head when you said “We don’t even know if Monty likes golf.”, and it’s because of blatant omissions like this one. It wouldn’t have been hard at all just to have Monty’s voice actor proclaim his love of golf at his own attraction, but they chose not to. Because I don’t even think that Steel Wool knows whether or not Monty likes golf. 2. Freddy’s reaction after you insert Monty’s claws. After getting Chica’s voicebox and Roxy’s eyes, Freddy displays concern and sympathy for his friends. After getting Monty’s claws though, despite the fact that they are obviously the easiest to figure out where they came from as freddy can literally see two green and purple hands attached to his body, he never comes to the conclusion they are Monty’s, despite verbally confirming he knows Monty has claws just like these in the same scene. Thus, we never get Freddy expressing any emotion to Monty individually in Security Breach. This discrepancy is actually so inscrutable that I’ve seen a fair bit of speculation on it. Some people argue this is why shattering Monty comes first in the timeline because Freddy then becomes progressively more and more aware of Gregory’s antics (personally I think there's far more to support the opposite, not least of which because shattered Monty was completely dysfunctional outside of the burntrap fight on launch, suggesting Monty-first was the least tested route), others have used this to speculate that Freddy dislikes Monty, either because he just doesn’t want anyone to replace Bonnie or because he actually knows that Monty hates him and/or Bonnie, if you want to believe that. My in-fiction explanation has always been that Freddy has rather complicated feelings about Monty that he’s not supposed to say in front of kids/guests, so he avoids it (because he’s obviously avoiding it). My out-of-fiction explanation is that for whatever reason, Steel Wool did not want to specify Freddy’s feelings about Monty, so that’s why they avoided it at all costs. When I was more hopeful, I thought this might be because they had planned on expanding the Monty v Bonnie and Freddy lore, but now I just think it’s because Steel Wool didn’t have any more idea what they wanted Monty’s relationships to be like than his personality. 3. Monty’s voicelines. You mention in your video that Monty stops talking altogether in Ruin, but he actually stops having any intelligible voicelines after you shatter him in the main game. I think this got overlooked by most players since Shattered Monty was missing from several sections in the base patch and if you shattered Chica first, you probably only heard him in the burntrap fight, where nobody talks anyways. But Roxy talks in complete sentences and has complete thoughts after being shattered, even though her skull was torn open. Why does Monty devolve like this? Chica doesn’t speak, but she had her voice box ripped out, and as mentioned in the video, it’s a natural progression of her arc. Monty has no arc to speak of. He says “Rock and roll!” at Gregory and then turns into a literal animal for seemingly no reason. Perhaps this was supposed to be a sort of bully comeuppance story, where Monty has at first portrayed as cool but is never able to recover from having his ego shattered, so he’s exposed as a brainless idiot. But honestly, any interpretation seems like a stretch when we have this little to work with. Monty had so much potential, which fans genuinely picked up on. You have the 80’s bully, like I mentioned, or the villainous stooge, like you mentioned. My favorite interpretation is that of the band’s hotheaded diva, since he’s mean, doesn’t like the band leader specifically, and sometimes doesn’t show up for shows. He’s the “bad boy” of the band, that’s why he’s got the most punk-rock style. I could see each one of these being the interpretation of the Steel Wool at one point or another during concept development and up to the VIP book, it’s just a shame that it feels like Steel Wool gave up on him, and so early too. They couldn’t put Monty in Help Wanted 2 because if he was un-shattered he would have to speak, and they had given up on writing Monty speaking lines before Security Breach had even come out.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

Yeah, it really does feel like either Steel Wool gave up on writing Monty as soon as they created him, or they tried to pin the villain role onto him, without even putting in the effort to making him a villain. There’s no built up relationships between him and the other characters, no established personality traits in voice lines (except for a twisted eagerness to chase in his hunting dialogue and just growling), no glimpses into what he could have been prior to corruption. Hell, there’s even no motive towards him apparently killing Bonnie, other than artwork that the staff would have made. He doesn’t even give hints of his own accord. Monty is just... aggressive. Well, big deal, so are the other antagonistic animatronics. That doesn't really make him worse than the others. But what do they do? Give Monty the villain’s punishment, but no villain build up. And even then, what they do build up is really weak and a bit forced EDIT: this is more of a me thing, but it seems like Steel Wool is trying so hard for us to hate Monty, but it just seems so phony and fake, and then it just circles around to me liking him again

[@kosyothegamerbg2021]

i aint readin allat

[@Toy_freddyofficial1]

​@@kosyothegamerbg2021 then don't reply since you clearly can't read

[@shronkler1994]

@@richardderatte6672 i need you authoring a fanfiction fleshing out montys character NOW. i loved reading this

[@JCOdrjones]

The unintentional tragedy of Monty the robot alligator is one of the most unexpected things to come out of this wild franchise

[@Mr.Dinosalt]

"Monty was just an afterthought, CONSISTENTLY" You summed it up perfectly. Thats why he feels so out of place compared to everyone else. A real shame, he is by far the most unique when it comes to design.

[@Reidoesathing]

also his personality if VIP is correct he'd be an amazing villain, he'd probably be more redeemable than Roxy considering he just seems to be a jerk at most rather than malicious and insulting like Roxanne

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@Reidoesathing I always thought that too. Yeah, Monty was more physically aggressive, but it could be chalked up to his build. And, well, everyone else is physically aggressive to a degree. Roxy, on the other hand, just outwardly insults you

[@Jman-oy5gl]

Definitely. I think Monty just has that look where you would expect him to be a very popular fan-favorite. He even has sunglasses, which is a rarity to find in FNAF animatronics and characters in general. Then they’re star-shaped ones too.

[@amalgama-dette1430]

Hey kid you won! *Eats the trophy* Well done Monty after every game

[@amalgama-dette1430]

The company wouldn't fix this, they would get a lot of cheap trophies for Monty to eat and they would sell trophy shaped candy at the end of the game so kids would have to pay for their trophy and eat it like monty

[@Jedi-ge6lr]

@@amalgama-dette1430 Yep, that sounds like Fazbear Entertainment.

[@FNaF_Fan_4yd3n]

I like to think Monty is supposed to/wants to be like a chill cool guy, while in reality is a dumb brute with massive anger issues

[@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix]

He’s JUST like me, frfr

[@highbrow2373]

He really thinks hes Sting, or Ben Orr. But hes just....Nikki Sixx.

[@rosethornfox801]

it makes sense tho to. he is a gator, they are known to kinda lie low and chill and when when they attack they are brutal and vicious. they captured what a gator is perfectly. freddy is a hugable teddy bear roxy is a prideful wolf and chica is a chicken which are known very well to eat just about everything (ive had them as pets... they eat things the shouldnt) each one has personalities tailored to their respective animal part, but the difference is that everyone gets their reason as to why they are like that. monty is just there.

[@highbrow2373]

@rosethornfox801 also when Alligators or Crocodiles have their heads wrapped they stop fighting because "sleepy times." So. To make him the "dumb" one.

[@rosethornfox801]

@@highbrow2373 that too, i forgot about that

[@witherslayer4239]

Giga Monty is the consequence of all the bullying we've done to him.

[@ToyFreddyGaming1987]

This is canon.

[@Jman-oy5gl]

Who’s “we”? I was on his side since the beginning frfr

[@Reidoesathing]

@@Jman-oy5gl he might mean the nintendo wii

[@misterasa183]

Giga Monty is also a cool example for how a 1-hit death style mode could work for security breach. Imagine getting spotted and then trying (and failing) to continue on while having an inescapable Giga Monty horde permanently hunting you down everywhere you go. Once you’re spotted, your fate is sealed no matter what you do and for how long you do it for. To quote Monty: “You can hide, but you can’t hide”.

[@witherslayer4239]

@@misterasa183 Yeah, I've always interpreted that voice line as Monty saying "You can hide, but you can't hide forever." It's just that the forever part wasn't said.

[@laatmaasquanariin3945]

Ain't no way I was robbed of himbo Monty!!! We truly live in the worst timeline

[@idonthaveanygoodusernameid7713]

This comment NEEDS to be pinned. It’s beautiful

[@adrianrandom3448]

And we thought this year couldnt be worse when we keep getting recelations like thisss.

[@ieatdeadcatsbodies]

​@@adrianrandom3448 fr

[@casualcommenter7152]

You’ve got to hand it to the Fazbear mechanics department for making a machine that can withstand a critically damaging fall, heavy erosion and submersion in water. Monty must have juiced on a full MCI’s worth of remnant to last this long. Absolute unit 🦾.

[@teamllr3137]

They are top class engineer, but probably badly payed, have to wonder how they did not cut corners for that

[@captainet2457]

Wonder what they’re going to make next..

[@venomfan2020]

To be fair, Afton Robotics made WALKING ROBOTS in the 80's. That kind of stuff was just IMPOSSIBLE back then, William Afton was ahead of his time

[@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix]

⁠@@venomfan2020I feel fairly certain he’s no longer involved in the design process, they have to have some OTHER rando that’s just too good at machines

[@SorowFame]

@@venomfan2020they managed functional robots better than we have in the real world in the 80s, probably even earlier considering Fredbears, and it seems they even cracked sentient ai by this point. And the only thing they use it for is making entertainers for a damned Chuck E Cheese.

[@sweethistortea]

Monty: Has severe anger issues, probably knocked Bonnie, and would not hesitate to take someone apart. The FNAF community: “I can fix him.”

[@venomfan2020]

Me: can I punch him?

[@shadowbowser5674]

@@sweethistortea That’s basically me lol, I really do think that there’s more to Monty than meets the eye tho, They say don’t judge a book by it’s cover and I believe Monty is a good example of that.

[@sadgirlhours4088]

He's a robot, give him the anger management patch and perhaps a bit of adequate enrichment

[@aviowl]

I can make him worse

[@diamonddragon8733]

We treat the gator better than SteelWool. XD

[@Emars118]

1:52 No. There were several balls dropped on him. Several balls and a bucket.

[@MGG069]

'a bucket' is putting it lightly, that thing was huge.

[@Emars118]

@@MGG069 that would indeed be putting it lightly. Perhaps heavier imagery should’ve been used.

[@funtimefredboi4456]

The bucket didn't even break him... The catwalk broke under him... If it was stronger he would've held the bucket up...

[@Jman-oy5gl]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Emars118Yeah, I think the name “Hurricane Bucket”was a pretty good name to give it.

[@pinxelated2799]

There's so much potential for a tragic villain story here. Monty could've been a character who was always doomed to be stuck in the shadows of the other, more popular mascots. Someone who could've been a very flawed, yet somewhat loveable, silly goon who got consumed by his own envy and frustration, to the point that he got so aggressive he did the unthinkable. I think seeing that descent into madness would've been both tragic and terrifying.

[@georginaisaacs1463]

I love him so much, like how can you not love a big strong himbo who daintily eats chips off the floor and just generally is the personification of the “Florida Man” meme?? Justice for Monty, he’s a sweetheart and deserved far more 😭🐊

[@giovannisoto4353]

The reason why I loved Monty so much was because his design reminded me of an actual gator golf place I went to in Florida. I wish Monty had a personality, I’ve seen fan comics with better characterization than the actual canon

[@chet_irl]

oh i’ve seen… comics

[@Devin-y8g]

What kind ?

[@davidsparling4395]

So you’re saying perhaps Monty is so violent and erratic because he represents the state of Florida?

[@JinxeBlaq]

Finish the video, he does have a personality, they just didn’t put it into the games

[@giovannisoto4353]

@@JinxeBlaq I know, but I just wish these characters could show off their personality without having to read the books, why even bother buying the games if the actual story is in the book?

[@acemcwolf5445]

You know what would of been a *REALLY* cool idea, That would of facilitated him getting a redemption arc like Roxy? Have the Bonnie incident be (If not caused by Vanny's hacking.) an accident. He and Bonnie are up on the catwalks talking, Laughing, Being bros. Then, After a vocal jab from bonnie, Monty jokingly nudges him, But due to a mixture of him not knowing his own strength, And Fazbear's shitty construction practices, The railings break and Bonnie falls. Monty did kill Bonnie, But it was an accident. Not even an act of anger, Or during a heated argument, Just him nudging Bonnie with just a *little* too much force for the railing to take, And Bonnie fell. You might be asking: "Why would Bonnie be in the bowling alley then? If Monty moved him there, Why?" I believe that all the animatronics have some level of knowledge to their expendability (I imagine it's a mix of this and her personality programming that's the reason behind Roxy's self-image issues.), So between fear of what the others would do if they found out, And the idea that since he destroyed one of the main-stage band members, He'd get decommed for sure, He hid Bonnie in his own attraction to make sure nobody figured out the truth. Monty started dragged Bonnie to Bonnie bowl, But ended up raking his claws across his chest, Causing the scratches with the green paint, So Monty decides to drag him to Bonnie bowl in a tarp, easier to answer questions that way, Instead of hauling Bonnie's corpse over his shoulder. The crappy bowling ball cover-up was a last ditch effort, In the possibility of somebody actually finding Bonnie's body. In the end, In this version, Monty did kill Bonnie, But it was a complete accident. Monty's constantly walks the catwalks because that's where he and his best friend hung out, Reminding himself of the good times, And his worst mistake. Hmm... Somebody killing somebody they love after a *bit* of rough-housing goes wrong... Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?... Also, Unrelated, But: 22:36 Cyber-funk sounds like a *KICK-ASS* line of animatronics. Kinda want to see what that could look like.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Ooo, I really love that idea! That would be super neat! 8D

[@Black_Frost212]

Actually, I have would definitely prefer this if it was just a simple mistake. it would add a good thing for him, especially since outside of Michael we don’t really have any characters that accidentally kill somebody it’s always they meant to

[@foxpokemonforever4775]

This it how it happened in my heart I think Monty is really cool, and the whole Bonnie mystery could have done SO MUCH for him because there are so many questions to be answered!

[@anjellogames]

Monty was definitely hated in the beginning. Mostly the theories leaning towards him murdering Bonnie who is a fan favorite. All the security breach character designs are perfect! Wish Monty gets more screen time later on.

[@sallyyfacee]

I think i remember that there was a small detail people kept missing which was Monty didn't have his claws after Bonnie gets decommissioned (

[@DavinFaulkner]

I feel like Ruin just made people hate him more. Or at least treated him with even less respect.

[@LiterallyUnlovable719]

i just realized that people hating gregory for breaking the animatronics is the same as a kid being punished for standing up to a bully

[@venomfan2020]

I mean, the Glamrocks aren't at fault either. They literally weren't themselves, they were being controlled by Glitchtrap/the Mimic1 program. I'm sure Chica, Bonnie and Roxy would've been nice and sweet had they not been infected with the Glitchtrap virus (or destroyed, in Bonnie's case)

[@LiterallyUnlovable719]

​@@venomfan2020then why do people label gregory a villain for what he did while under the glitchtrap's control? we can't have it both ways if we're holding him accountable then so will the glamrocks

[@ghidorah15]

YES! I hate it *so* much when a victim of bullying is punished for fighting back.

[@RaffehNaseer]

People who hate on Gregory are the same ones who defend Michael for putting his little brother in a giant animatronic mouth

[@tylernickson8287]

@@RaffehNaseer so your saying he should get to just walk away no repercussions at all? yeah no sorry that's not how it should fly he may be a kid but he is not above the consequences ether the Glamrock's deserved a lot better then what steel wool gave them.

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

He doesn’t have a *LEG* to stand on for sure. I’ll see myself out now.

[@supersmilyface1]

Ayyyy!

[@Bonnie-ml7fi7nk8s]

I need more leg ponfs

[@Bonnie-ml7fi7nk8s]

Ponds

[@irysgundam0052]

*Laughs* Hah! Nice. 😎

[@injuringchip3161]

I mean at least give the guy a hand on the way out. *tinny old audio of a rimshot which cuts half of the tss*

[@seasonembrace3624]

Gotta say Monty’s fatality in his damaged state is honestly pretty darn terrifying especially with that vacant stare of his 👁👁.

[@slaphead6938]

calling him an angry chihuahua is so goddamn perfect it's amazing, chef's kiss

[@Echosinfireify]

All of the security breach characters deserved better. Their game was never finished.

[@disneybunny45]

I really like Monty in the choose your adventure book. He seems scary but he's a really good sport about the maze. He's either "you found the exit, good job!" or "sorry kid you got caught, better luck next time."

[@Jman-oy5gl]

It’s ironic how in-universe, Monty’s perception is the exact opposite as it is in real life. This dude literally rivals Bonnie in popularity in-universe, a much older animatronic, yet people have to push for him to get more in real life.

[@GhostRose6500]

VIP’s weirdly an exact painting of how I pictured Monty: other than his aggression and brute-like personality, he’d have infinite IQ moments like the one with the cutout. He’d be willing to go through great lengths like eating chips off the floor, only for slight benefits because he thinks the chips simply taste good. He’s have unfortunate moments between these like with the candy. He’s fully aware on how aggressive he is but then acts like none of it ever happened while congratulating kids for making it through, and randomly dragging kids out for fun, all while refusing to elaborate. He's the definition of "never let them know your next move" even if he has to make himself look ridiculosu sometimes. Either he's completely oblivious to what other people think of him or he simply doesn't care.

[@Notarobot1006]

Oh my gosh, he's Louie Pikmin.

[@ttproductionsinc]

Meh, maybe both 🤷‍♂️

[@DavinFaulkner]

Nah, those kinds of people are jerks. Monty isn't a jerk by nature.

[@GhostRose6500]

Uhhh… the entirety of Security Breach would like to have a word with you.

[@eatingyourhands5129]

I feel like what sucks most is the a big majority of fans will not read vip and we don't know if vip is even cannon. He has personality! And despite not really being a good person he's goofy enough to be likeable. So it truly sucks we got none of that in the games what most fans will see.

[@shadowbowser5674]

I think Monty is a good person, Just misunderstood.

[@DavinFaulkner]

VIP isn't even a good interpretation because it still potrays him as a villain.

[@eatingyourhands5129]

@@DavinFaulkner I mean he is a villain to that kid. Plus like villain or not he's still hot

[@shadowbowser5674]

@@DavinFaulkner He was just playing around with him, It wasn't malicious.

[@SammyRobinson62232]

I kinda wish Monty was the older brother punk rock type of character. Like Hobbie or marceline where they seem un-trust worthy at first. But is a good person. Basically a don’t judge the book type of character instead of the one note angry one who dies at the end that nobody really cares about Like image instead of Freddy. You have Monty as the one who’s help you. Despite him being rough, distance and scary looking. He does cares and can even be playful though in an older sibling teasing you way.

[@Obsessive_Artist]

Yes! I love this interpretation of Monty so much, I wish there was at least more fan media of it, if not canon lore stuff.

[@DavinFaulkner]

He didn't die in Ruin

[@DreamscapeIllustrator]

You know... I can agree that Monty got the short end of the stick. He deserved better, and the CONTEXT to the reasons of how and why he acted that way would have helped much more. I hope they do give him a chance to redeem him or something...

[@Neon-Starr]

Montys situation is aggravating (to me) mostly bc in security breach some of the messages you can find what seems to be hints at him being deeper, with him missing shows and being broody on the catwalks, and then Ruin seems to just get rid of all that with the Bonnie situation.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

That is one big reason why I hate the Bonnie situation. It just throws all of Monty’s (minuscule) characterisation out the window and dunks on him. Even though, all it does as well is make me think “hey wait a minute. If they have the money and resources to make this massive coverup, why don’t they use that money for repairing or making a new Bonnie?” The Bonnie story pretty much only exists to dunk on Monty at this stage, because logically it doesn’t make sense

[@Jazz098]

Exactly, even one of the endings where Monty takes over as the leader prove that they can easily fix any animatronics, so they could fix Bonnie if they wanted to. Bonnie isn't even as damaged as the other shattered animatronics.

[@beasley1232]

​@@SnarkyTeaSipperWhat if it wasn't even Monty either. I mean think about it, Vanessa told Freddy that Monty will take over the show until they can slap his casing on a new Endo for trying to help Gregory escape. What if a similar thing happened to Bonnie, she could have easily framed Monty by throwing his decommissioned body in Monty's Gulf course. Plus, it was never stated that Monty ever hurt Freddy or the others either, and Freddy still seems to see Monty as his friend despite his temper. Freddy also tells you that Chica, Roxanne and Monty aren't normally that aggressive towards children. It was obviously that Vanny and Afton had SOME type of control on Roxanne, Chica, Monty and Sun/Moon. A control that they did not have on Freddy for whatever reason.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@beasley1232 you know, I had similar thoughts about that, though I had no idea why I didn’t think of it in that way. Vanessa could get into some very steep legal troubles or even get arrested if anyone were to have found out about the kind of stuff she had been doing behind the scenes (disappearances, the existence of Glitchtrap, whatever, I lost track) So Vanessa could have using Monty, a literal machine, as a scapegoat for any of her shifty business. It could probably lighten any sentence she may have if she does get caught, because, “oh, there was a malfunctioning animatronic running amok in the Pizzaplex! Technology is going rampant, but nothing to do with me!” It would be much easier to place the blame on an animatronic that cannot advocate for itself than a person who has been able to slip her way into the head security guard role with no prior qualifications. And… well, if the Princess Quest ending in the base game is canon, then, Vanessa’s gambit kind of payed off. She gets absolutely no comeuppance for anything she did or may have done (though truth be told, she was barely used properly, but she is supposed to be a major antagonist). Yes, Vanessa is under Glitchtrap’s control, but she’s literally the only one to come out of it completely unscathed, while the Glamrocks deteriorate more and more. (help, my thoughts are a mess, so I don’t think this made sense)

[@beasley1232]

@@SnarkyTeaSipper It's also possible that Vanessa and Afton ALREADY had some type of control over Monty, Roxanne, Chica and Sun/Moon even before the game takes place. Maybe for whatever reason, they couldn't control Bonnie and of course under Aftons control Monty would probably have no problem dismantling Bonnie. Also keep in mind that Freddy throughout the game still regards Roxy, Chica AND Monty as his friends still, he ALSO tells you that the 3 of them aren't normally this aggressive to children, they were specifically attracted to Gregory for whatever reason.

[@mondenkindqueen]

A thought occurs. What if Monty is aggressive and angry BECAUSE he was framed? “If everyone thinks I’m a killer, why not act like one?” “If everyone in the band hates me for killing Bonnie, why perform?”

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

I can legit see that. To me, “Monty killed Bonnie” sounds more like a rumour that children would make. If they saw that there’s a new character on stage and no Bonnie, they probably would not think of anything more rational like technical difficulties, controversies using the character, or even just copyright expiration. (By the way, I don’t actually understand how Bonnie was “killed”, when everyone else in the game suffers worse injuries but still live) But no matter, children would start spreading the rumour around, which would encourage them to not see Monty, or even start to heckle him with that “knowledge”, which in turn makes Monty worse. Kind of like how Chica’s rockstar vice of overeating may be a metaphor for substance ab*se, Monty’s rockstar vice of explosive anger could be a way of showing how rumours and scandal can ruin a person’s life. As well as what some newcomers to bands may experience when they take a role of a previous player; unease, unfamiliarity and outright hostility from fans.

[@DavinFaulkner]

That wouldn't excuse what he did. I don't think he's a villain.

[@MistyWatersss]

Monty is very funny in VIP though I wish he also drew a fake path in the maze to trick you into walking into a wall, just like a true cartoon villain

[@kookiesanimations3079]

I find it very ironic when I just noticed that each animatronic's popularity mirrors their in-game universe popularity. I know that's unintentional by the developers. Poor Monty just can't catch a break.

[@wafagdplqs4421]

For the Glamrock animatronic who wanted the spotlight the most, it's quite sad to know he would never be fleshed out as much as the others. His characterization in VIP was really cool imo and I still have a bit of hopes we might get more of him one day, kinda like Glamrock Chica in HW2.

[@Veltri_J]

My love for Monty comes from the many forms he takes on. Giga, Alpha, Beta, Creeper, Mini, and Puppy. All thanks to AstralSpiff.

[@b4tman_and_Rob1n]

YASSS ANOTHER SPIFFER

[@b4tman_and_Rob1n]

GIGA MONTY FOR THE WIN

[@kronosthyme6164]

it is so sad to me that of all the characters to get cut, it's the first (and only so far) reptile we've got :(

[@nixxie119]

So I have what I think is a very interesting theory. Everyone always talks about the fact that if he really wanted Freddy's spotlight, then why does he miss shows to be up on the catwalks of Gator Golf? That alone is pretty strange, but I thought about how the very *first* time you see Monty in game is the opening cutscene. He *is* playing with the band. To me, that means that whatever he was doing on the catwalks no longer needed his attention. I have a little bit more to say about this, but I don't really think this is the video for that. Unless someone asks for more on this take, in which I'll gladly try to give more info towards this as cohesively as possible. :)

[@omegaveemo3045]

Alright, I'll bite. What's the bigger picture? :)

[@Jman-oy5gl]

I need to hear the rest of this please. It might be similar to what I’m thinking.

[@back2thefuturefan88]

I would love to hear more as well!

[@miguelangelooliveira6961]

I would love to hear more 🙃

[@nixxie119]

First of all, sorry this took so long! I had to make sure it made as much sense as possible. 😅 Second, I'm a little surprised so many people are interested in my theory! Thanks to everyone who asked, and I'd love some feedback on what you all think! Now, onto the theory! I believe Monty *knew* that he couldn't go after Freddy himself. He is the face of the Pizzaplex, and even more so, the company. They would just replace him if he went missing or had a lot of damage done to him. So what does Monty resort to instead? He goes for Bonnie. He thinks that, if he goes for Freddy's best friend/possible boyfriend, then Freddy will step down out of broken heartedness. He lures Bonnie to the catwalks of Gator Golf. Monty does some serious damage to Bonnie's chest, clawing it open, before pushing him over the edge. I've noticed that the way Bonnie's body is broken resembles the way Monty's is when he falls from the catwalks. Their eyes and jaws are knocked loose, and they're both broken at the waist. But because Freddy is the face of the band, and he can't/won't step down, Monty's plan doesn't work. He wasn't thinking things through, and he didn't realize at the time that Bonnie being found in Gator Golf would implicate him in the crime. Monty misses shows to look for Bonnie's body on the catwalks. Maybe he's thinking more clearly and he's trying to find Bonnie to dispose of him and/or he didn't get what he wanted. That, or he feels genuine remorse and guilt over what he did to Bonnie (doubtful). And even further, maybe he found what he was looking for, or maybe something else did. Either way, he doesn't need to look for Bonnie anymore, since he doesn't need to cover up anything. He can go back to attending the shows. And before anyone says it; yes, I know, Monty didn't have the claws. Here's the thing: in the ending where Vanny has Freddy disassembled, it's *Staff Bots* that tear him apart. Thin, twiggy, square fingered *Staff Bots.* If they can do that damage to Freddy, there's no question that Monty, a several hundred pound animatronic with anger issues that, as an alligator, would have claws anyway, would be able to do that damage, special claws or no. Also, people count Roxy, Freddy, and even Proto Freddy as suspects simply because they *have* claws, despite the fact that they wouldn't have the special claws either! So how come *Monty* couldn't be the culprit, when *no one* would have the claws? Not even Bonnie had them since they were an upcoming upgrade. However, as much as I personally believe that it *IS* Monty that decommissioned Bonnie, I also recognize there are quite a few holes. The dismantle Freddy ending isn't cannon (?) to my knowledge. It could just be Gregory made it up like the other comics. There's also the ending where Freddy leaves the Pizzaplex and they *do* replace him with Monty, and Mr. Hippo moves into the band. Another thing someone else had mentioned, it's highly suspicious that if Monty did get into a fight with Bonnie, he likely would've had paint scraped off and possibly even more damage if Bonnie had fought back. Yet there's no logs that mention that. I'm sure there would be a memo talking about how weird it is that Monty's paint job is scuffed, and strangely at the same time Bonnie went missing.

[@phoneguy4637]

so many peoples claim that Monty destroyed Bonnie out of jealousy. sweet how everyone ignores the employee's notifications in which they complain about Monty skipping shows because he wanted to be by himself. so, of whom should he be jealous if he doesn't care about the band?

[@shadowbowser5674]

This!

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

Yeah, if we’re supposed to take the Bonnie logs seriously, then take all of them seriously!

[@phoneguy4637]

@@SnarkyTeaSipper and why should we not take them seriously?

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@phoneguy4637 the messages should all be taken seriously because that’s like the only way of getting lore of the Pizzaplex’s history, other than what Freddy says. But a lot of people are only focused on the Bonnie messages. Sorry if I phrased it weirdly

[@phoneguy4637]

@@SnarkyTeaSipper oh, okay. looks like I took your reply the wrong way. sorry, my bad.

[@8onnie8oyz]

What would've been cool would be if after shattering Monty, you go in the exiting vent, and Monty appears behind you, chasing you out, even when you leave the vent. I got this idea from seeing all the paths in the vent that just have a dead end, like a maze, and Monty literally moving in and out the vent in the Burntrap boss fight. Unfortunately, his collision box means that despite him crawling, he can't actually enter areas where you'd have to crawl, like El Chip's or other vents.

[@j.a.m.m]

I've said it before, and i'll say it again, Roxy wouldn't have been the final node in ruin were if not from favoritism from the fans. Ultimately it's kinda understandable the Steel Wool focuses on what the fans want, the game IS a product that has to be sold, after all, but it's still unfortunate to get such unevenness in characterization. Poor Monty, that portrayal in VIP sounds ptty nice. Great vid as always!

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

I’ve always thought that. RUIN just reeks of favouritism to me. Roxy and the Daycare Attendant get all the love, while Chica gets ignored and Monty straight up dies. Forget the fact that all four of them were aggressive to begin with

[@Jman-oy5gl]

@@SnarkyTeaSipperYeah, I don’t really like RUIN for this reason. While it seemed everyone else was praising this game for being a step up from Security Breach, I was just salty Monty and Chica got shafted in it. I didn’t even really like Roxy’s turn to good either. I don’t think I’m a hater, but I think it would have been better if she wasn’t already a fan favorite with it being predicted many times before in fanfics.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@Jman-oy5gl I legit thought that too. Like, the Daycare Attendant’s change to good at least makes sense in context. He was rebooted with the Faz Wrench and was “cured”. RUIN just seems to forget Roxy’s negative traits entirely. It just seems like having her face smashed in with a go kart, her eyes plucked out and being left to rot in rubble for months(?) somehow snapped her out of her corruption while everyone else got worse.

[@Jman-oy5gl]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@SnarkyTeaSipperYeah, It seems like that to me too. I feel like if any of them were to seemingly snap out of their corruption by themselves, it should have been Chica. Her twitching, crying and prerecorded voice line style in SB just seemed like big hints to me and still do. It would made way more sense to me if that happened.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@Jman-oy5gl exactly that. I think Chica should have taken the guardian role because of how little she's used in general, but she's a classic character. Give her something to do after years of being sidelined! Because of the weird uneven characterisation, two new faces get praised to high heaven while the other one gets mercilessly punished and the only other classic character gets the shaft

[@shadowbowser5674]

I love Monty so much and he definitely deserved better! I really hate how he got treated in basically every game he was in, Including getting cut from Help Wanted 2 which still saddens me to this day, It's really saddening to me he's the black sheep of the Glamrocks as he has the most coolest design of them in my opinion, I'm really praying that there is a Help Wanted 2 DLC with Monty in it and will flesh him out even more, I'm so happy the VIP novel showed that Monty isn't a petty asshole and is actually playful and loves the kids, I still really hope we see in a prequel of some sort where it shows us what really happened between Monty and Bonnie, I don't think Monty killed Bonnie out of pettiness or spite, At least not unhacked, I think Monty may have done it while hacked by Glitchtrap as it enhanced his worst traits like the Roxy and Chica, I think Monty was a little jealous of Freddy and Bonnie before getting hacked, But had no intentions on killing them, But after getting hacked, That jealousy turned into hatred and that's what caused him to kill Bonnie, I really really hope to God that Monty gets the spotlight in another game or the HW2 DLC, He really deserves better, I would love for him to get a redemption arc too, Same with Glamrock Chica, It wouldn't be fair if Freddy and Roxy were the only Glamrocks to get good endings, Chica and Monty deserve them too. Justice for my boy Monty!

[@DavinFaulkner]

VIP wasn't a good look either. He gave Devon a cut and didn't even care. He popped his balloon too.

[@shadowbowser5674]

@@DavinFaulkner It wasn't on purpose, He was just playing around with him.

[@SpaceCore2053]

For my birthday this year, NotRealName has given to me... a Monty video... yippee....

[@SpaceCore2053]

I'm just joking of course, always a W when Notaname uploads!!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Happy Birthday! 8D 🎂🥳

[@captainet2457]

@@SpaceCore2053 happy birthday

[@Cluelexander]

Wdym this is the best birthday present ever xD

[@mirraalex1752]

I read this like On the first day of Christmas song

[@sadgirlhours4088]

Its just a shame that he just kept getting shafted. I love his character design a lot (in a normal person way and also not normal person way) and its a shame that it happend. I hope he does get something but i dont like getting my hopes up for basically anything. The vip thing was a surprise tho. Him being " we have looney toons at home" is probably the best thing he couldve possibly gotten. So good for him!

[@MusicalLuxEnby]

YES IT’S MY FAVORITE We had better get more of him in the future or I’m going to jumpscare someone at Steel Wool… Also I love the dichotomy of Monty being able to hold up the Splash Bucket (he didn’t give out; the catwalk did) but not being able to pull free from some sticky candy lol

[@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix]

He’s governed by cartoon physics. If that bucket had been a pan instead, he would’ve come out the other end as fully-functional sheet metal

[@Jman-oy5gl]

“Jumpscare someone at Steel Wool” Same bruh same 😂

[@redwolfmatt]

those VIP details really help reinforce his personality. like monty calling out "HEY! little guy!" goes a long way to show the "i'm trying to be chill" thing but with so little spotlight he got the real short end

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

I do think that Monty is trying to be chill as well, but his size and voice make him seem more threatening. Though, it’s mixed in with some of his hide-and-seek dialogue, like “you can hide, but you can’t hide!” or “I know you’re here!” I tend to think of the character’s in-game hunting dialogue as this: -Chica: tries to be responsible and uses techniques meant for finding lost children, but it comes out horrendously creepy -Roxy: very feebly tries to be responsible, but will go straight to being rude and even a straight up bully, congratulating herself too -Monty: tries to be chill, but sees the whole thing as a hide and seek game, his voice also making everything sound threatening -Daycare Attendant: just straight up trying to scare Gregory out of hiding -Vanessa: tries similar techniques as Chica, but leans into being overly mean like Roxy down to tiredness and stress -Vanny: ARE YOU HAVING FUN YET

[@lordkauck]

0:51has the same energy as "And then there's Chunky, he's dead"

[@moezfoez]

*DK* *Monty's dead*

[@luluzin5022]

When Security Breach came out, I was under the impression that Vanny forced Monty to kill Bonnie so she could use his parts to fix Burntrap. But then in Ruin we got to see Bonnie's wrecked body, and none of his parts were missing. And in Help Wanted 2, there's an animation of Monty crushing Bonnie... It seems that he did kill Bonnie consciously after all. Maybe that's why Steel Wool refuses to characterise Monty in a sympathetic light. They even said in the Dawko interview that Monty was too far gone for Cassie to help. But the way he keeps getting singled out just makes me want to like him more out of spite.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

Yeah, or I was even under the impression that Bonnie was forced to be removed in the same why the Toys or Fredbear were removed; public disturbance and/or a fatal accident (I’m more likely to think the latter because the other Glamrocks cause disturbances too, and yet they aren’t removed) Like, “oh, we can’t tell the kids what happened with Bonnie! We gotta be sensitive with our officially approved response, yet have no more depictions of him in the Pizzaplex!” You know, like how Fazbear Entertainment would act when they’re caught out with yet another fatal animatronic accident. But now it’s revealed Bonnie was just a victim of destruction, that grand scale cover up and rebrand makes absolutely no sense. And the existence of spare endoskeletons, their reprogramming mini game in HW2 and the dufflebag messages (talking about the possibility of a Chica replacement if she got caught in the trash compactor and Monty getting repaired after falling off the catwalks the first time), makes me hate the Bonnie story even more because of how forced it is. It literally forces Monty to be singled out.

[@DavinFaulkner]

If Steel Wool doesn't do him justice on their own I will MAKE them do him justice.

[@captainet2457]

12:31 SW is doing him dirty at this point :( From what I heard in the interview, he might not even be coming back..

[@shadowbowser5674]

I think they meant he was too far gone in Ruin as you can't save him in that game, I don't want to give up hope yet.

[@captainet2457]

@@shadowbowser5674 same man, same :(

[@skyenight-by8yh]

Yeah, despite the popular belief, despite his rough attitude he *does* deserve better. 😅 This might because I’m a bit biased and tired of all the backlash he gets, but still. 😅

[@DavinFaulkner]

He doesn't even have a rough attitude.

[@skyenight-by8yh]

@ Have you *seen* his green room in the SB game? It’s literally almost always closed because of him constantly bashing stuff. This is just me proving my point using what I saw/heard in the game.

[@FNaF_Fan_4yd3n]

Maybe mazercise was originally the Monty maze, and chica’s attraction was Chica’s Bakery, the one with the giant cupcake on it

[@Jman-oy5gl]

I’m not sure that can really be true though because it’s implied in VIP that Monty’s maze is the exact location Gator Golf is. There’s even things like the giant Monty head and they mention the place looking like a golf course.

[@FNaF_Fan_4yd3n]

@@Jman-oy5gl Yeah you’re probably right, but it’s just weird for the pizzaplex to have two mazes

[@pirusaogostoso741]

Roxy is insecure, chika has food disorder, and monty we don't know what he is because he fels like an outcast, but what if the whole monty thing is exactly that, being an outcast, a fish out of the water, feeling like he's somewhere where he isn't properly valued, somewhere where he feels like he doesn't belong to, so he disassociate and crawl back to his corner on his room or the catwalks, where he can not only "go away" from the place where he feels he no belongs, but also, where he can vent his frustration by destroing everything

[@MysticNinTorres]

Montgomery Gator has always been my personal favorite Glamrock animatronic, and my thoughts/feelings towards him aren’t affected by his current state in the FNaF timeline. There’s sort of a unique level of personality and vibe towards him that stands out from the others, with his character not exactly carried over from previous animatronic iterations (like Bonnie).

[@danielbarnes1241]

Monty absolutely deserved better bro got nothing and all anyone wants to do is shit on him and glaze bonnie (despite knowing damn well we'll get bonnie content in the future and already have since SB dropped)

[@ameenrone4978]

And the messed up part about is that the the game developers crap on Bonnie but yet they glaze Monty Bonnie has been getting the most disrespect since the start of the Fanaf franchise

[@DavinFaulkner]

@@ameenrone4978 That's literally the opposite of what they're doing.

[@jackbrassington3489]

Monty is one of the scarier characters in SB (specifically when he’s dirty and gritty) with his intimidating size compared to you

[@HapSun]

I feel like the only reason Monty exists is to add some mystery within the game, for example! WERES Bonnie?

[@snakesareamazing]

And it isn't even a good mystery

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

And what I hate about that is that it’s a pretty useless mystery all things considered. Like, we didn’t need to know why Chica was absent in Sister Location. They just wanted to tell a story with new characters. To be honest, because bunnies have a pretty bad wrap for Fazbear Entertainment; considering the MCI, Springtrap being discovered, rumours of a malicious computer virus, a dancing rabbit lady, etc. I would have just accepted that Fazbear Entertainment wanted to use a different animal mascot entirely to avoid association with their sketchy past. Ironically using a predatory animal to replace a character with a predatory past.

[@Jman-oy5gl]

This mystery sucks as of right now to be honest. I almost wish Bonnie and Monty were just there at the same time together. It really is dragging Monty’s character down to not actually say anything. Especially for a character that has no voice lines and barely any characterization other than existing at some point.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@Jman-oy5gl yeah exactly. It even sucks as far as mysteries in fiction go in general. You have: only one suspect that’s freaking obvious, no connection to the victim, no trial or motive from the killer, and skip straight ahead to the punishment. Like, what are we supposed to get out of that? No wonder people are thinking this is a frame job, because there’s absolutely no meat to this mystery

[@FullMoonDeria]

The real mystery that no one seems to ask is why we got no Glamrock Foxy. I don't think Freddy even mentions him despite a bunch of promo stuff for Foxy around. Which is weird considering the Pizza Plex is also an homage to the history of Fazbear and Foxy was a big part of that.

[@BrandonJames2016]

Monty progressively lost control each time we saw him and the fact that he was the only one definitely destroyed by the end of ruin is poetic considering he is supposed to be the one to destroy Glamrock bonnie.

[@kitkatbreaker1270]

Odds are, Monty was probably a red hearing when it came to Bonnie's murder. If you think about it, Bonnie's corpse had slash marks on it which Monty *couldn't* have had at the time since Monty only got the claws to use Bonnie's instrument after Bonnie was decommissioned

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@kitkatbreaker1270yeah, it feels far too easy for a FNAF mystery at this stage. I still headcanon that Bonnie was on his way out anyway because at this point in time, bunnies are kind of a bad omen for Fazbear Entertainment

[@sallyyfacee]

​@@kitkatbreaker1270That's why im so convinced the prototype freddy in Ruined is likely the one to decommissioned Bonnie which would make more sense since maybe before the pizzaplex got abandoned it looked more like a normal Freddy and lured him into Monty golf (which would explain why he was Monty golf)

[@DavinFaulkner]

He's not destroyed.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@DavinFaulkner to be honest, yeah. Bonnie’s damage does not look nearly as bad as anyone else’s in the game. Even the Daycare Attendant looks worse, and he didn’t even get harvested for parts. Yet somehow, this is supposed to mean “oop he dead” They really should have had Bonnie in literal pieces scattered everywhere if he’s supposed to be destroyed.

[@monkegamer-cd5vj]

Monty: Exists FNAF Community: Giga Chad Monty

[@captainet2457]

“Hey, little guy.”

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

"Come on out, we are only trying to help"

[@captainet2457]

@@Chaotic_Overlord “You can hide but, you can’t hide”

[@idk_a_cool_username]

"lets rock!"

[@captainet2457]

“Rock and roll,”

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

“Run, Run, RUN!”

[@MattisticStatistic]

He's been given like... nothing outside of 'OOOOH HE MIGHT BE THE MURDERER OF BONNIE' They basically took any character he could've had and traded it for Bonnie. Kinda wish Bonnie wasn't even in the game because of it.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

Legit me too. I hate that it actually decreases any amount of love I had for any Bonnie character. It shouldn’t, but it has now

[@TDIdialgagirl]

I never understood the whole "Monty killed bonnie" bullcrap

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@TDIdialgagirl me neither. It feels like a poor man's Missing Children's Incident. The stakes are so low, but for some reason it's not treated that way

[@SnowFox-gv2rn]

I’m not even a Monty fan, but I DEFINITELY feel like he’s been done dirty when compared to the other Glamrocks and Sun/Moon (heck, I feel like even DJ Music Man gets more love than this gator). I genuinely hope that Monty gets more proper characterization in future games, and not just another thing tied to Glamrock Bonnie

[@voidfields5065]

THAT'S MY GOAT THAT'S MY GOOOOOOAAAATTTTT MONTY, I'LL SAVE YOU MONTY. I WILL GET YOU OUT OF THIS FRANCHISE

[@ameenrone4978]

More like out of this hate cycle

[@personwholovesailorm]

"And then there was Monty" Bout sums it up really. I love his design and voice but I'm sorry, Bonnie is my boy.

[@nixxie119]

Same here. Monty could be so much more interesting, but even *if* he isn't responsible for Bonnie's death, he still replaced him.

[@Jman-oy5gl]

@@nixxie119See, that’s what I think is the problem right there. He’s always in Bonnie’s shadow. Even Roxy, who seems much more similar to Foxy, isn’t compared as much as Monty, a reptile, to Bonnie. It’s hard to even mention Monty without mentioning Bonnie. There should’ve been something with this constant comparison, but there wasn’t.

[@rosesske2551]

@@Jman-oy5glYou would think he’d stand out more considering he’s the only one of his band mates (Roxy also has the twisted wolf) who doesn’t have a older version(s) of himself.

[@Jman-oy5gl]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@rosesske2551I know right? He’s the only original character in the band with no variants and this is what’s being done with him? Just make him a Bonnie replacement? We don’t even really know anything about this version of Bonnie. There was Old Man Consequences, but he was more of a manifestation than specifically a crocodile or alligator. At least he got a little more in VIP, which probably isn’t even canon…

[@danielbarnes1241]

​@@nixxie119 okay but who cares. We'll see bonnie in the future. We already have since SB released. That's unlikely for Monty since every chance he's got he been treated like a joke and the majority of the community shits on him and his fans. I'd be genuinely surprised if we see him or any variation of him after we leave this Era of FNAF

[@vivifoxysdaughterandchild544]

Guess how the Bonnie mystery was handled is the reason why I don't mind the idea of Monty turning out to be evil. I just want to get something. And I think Monty being an antagonist can be great if handled well. But I'll take anything at this point if it adds to him. At least we got VIP.

[@GJames-Legend101]

This is a long stretch idea but maybe if Monty does ever return in the future perhaps he can find someone to help him overcome his problems like how Freddy has Gregory and how Roxanne has Cassie, perhaps he’ll find a kid to bond with a find a new purpose to protect along with chica if they ever find someone to help them. I’m honestly kinda hoping Scott and steel wool reboot security breach and make it more how it they wanted it to originally be.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@GJames-Legend101 I also had a similar idea, but also one that's even sadder. Monty could A) have a kid to bond with who is the dinosaur obsessed kind, and would cling onto him rather than be independent like Gregory or Cassie (I know Monty isn't a dinosaur, but I feel that would be his demographic) Or B), the sadder option, Monty has no kid to bond with, but instead only the staff member who would have been in charge of maintaining him. Monty has no one, so he clings to someone he can see every day. Would make a change from being Sassy Kid 3.0 Chica could possibly have a similar thing happen, have their low popularity in the real world reflect their in-universe popularity.

[@susanagiraldo8750]

You know, if the way Monty is portrayed in the VIP story is considered canon, it would make sense why he is so full of anger in Security Breach. He basically is a menace who enjoys being a bother to kids, but suddenly he is forced to portray a laid back cool persona that forces him to try and be nice and friendly. Makes sense that he would rather evade interacting with anyone, and why he lets all the pentup frustation out when he is alone in his room.

[@DavinFaulkner]

He's not a jerk >:(

[@enchilordo8562]

Ok I never read VIP but after hearing about his antics I 100% believe it. Also honestly knowing this makes me like him a lot more. The dic Bowser comparison is also very fitting

[@CapCutGirl10]

I think Monty did deserve better he doesn't really have a personality other than Mean and angry

[@thegod300jr]

What's mena?

[@CapCutGirl10]

I meant mean 💀typo

[@Jman-oy5gl]

@@CapCutGirl10I think Monty’s personality should have been more like the artwork. He’s chill there, why wasn’t he more chill in the games? Everyone else has personality’s like the artwork, why doesn’t he?

[@CapCutGirl10]

​@@Jman-oy5glI agree with that too

[@DavinFaulkner]

Yes he does, that's just the virus, he doesn't even have anger issues.

[@teamllr3137]

I mean, the VIP story reveal that his personality is not due to the virus

[@shadowbowser5674]

The virus did make his personality worse like it did with Roxy and Chica tho, The Storyteller books say that, Monty is not evil I don't think.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Considering what Scott said about how much he contributes to the books, and how he apparently had a greater role in the production of these interactive novels, I think I trust them a little more than Tales from the Pizzaplex. Though tbh neither have been officially canonized, so who knows. 🤷‍♀️

[@ghidorah15]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Not to mention a Choose Your Own Adventure story has a certain hook that regular novels don't.

[@ItsMemeTimeBoi]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476The Tales From The Pizzaplex being so different from security breach might also be a result from the fact that Scott didn’t tell Steel Wool the plot of security breach (which wont happen again thankfully) I still have hope for this franchise and I still think they can pull this whole thing off, they just gotta *conclude and answer things about the mysteries.* That’s literally all they have to do in my opinion, other than that they’re doing great I also think Mimic can be a really good and scary villain as well, the description for the Secret Of The Mimic teaser trailer said that to understand the future we need to look back at the past, so I think what Steel Wool is doing here is giving the Mimic an origin story to give more context and give reasons as to why certain things will happen in the future games and why certain characters will do certain things in the future games

[@Cactusezzzz]

I'd love to see you making a video about the Bonnie and Monty situation in the near future. This video made me realize some things I missed out on about Monty, it definitely summed up his character in the best way possible despite there being a lack of info. There are also the books which gives us an idea about the way he acts but I feel like it's still not enough. Hopefully, we get to see more of this gator boi in the future.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I plan on it! 8D

[@acisme6442]

Shoutout to Monty for being my scalie awakening 🙏

[@thepokemonsamurai6512]

Monty’s tragic backstory: being framed for murder. I’m still convinced it’s too obvious for him to have done it.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

It could have also been an accident

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

Yeah, for a FNAF mystery, it seems way too easy

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@GuppyGrass-ir5cn yeah, actually it feels like a cover up for a cover up. Like Fazbear Entertainment is likely to do First layer: Monty replaces Bonnie because Bonnie wants to retire and hand the spotlight to someone else Second layer: Monty kills Bonnie because he wants the spotlight for himself Possible third layer: Fazbear Entertainment needs to get rid of Bonnie somehow and will pull such an elaborate scheme and blame game to do so

[@justice8718]

Monty doesn’t have a bowling bowl in his room is because his glasses belonged to Bonnie and given by him.

[@bob_la_plonge]

That with the fact that he canonically idolize Bonnie. He joined the band because he wanted to be close to Bonnie. People claiming that he killed Bonnie and steal his glasses and guitar but we actually see Bonnie give them to him.

[@linnylinlinlin]

I LOVE Monty's design and his goofy voicelines... what you explained in the vid is def what kinda irks me the most. He gives me some himbo vibes and I feel like.. despite the anger issues.. he might actually be just a lovable goof needing a few hugs some times 😭

[@HH-sn5qp]

Chica deserves love too low key

[@shadowbowser5674]

@@HH-sn5qp She really does, I hope she gets a redemption arc too like Roxy did.

[@viviennemorgan7217]

i agree

[@Jman-oy5gl]

Fr, that eating disorder/food addiction alone just ain’t doing it for me in terms of characterization.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

Oh absolutely! It sucks that everyone is preaching that the classic names are what’s best! Bonnie and Freddy forever! Blah blah blah …and then Chica is left in the dust over and over again

[@Spookworm]

TL;DR: Y'all have not watched enough fictional Detective shows, because Monty was successfully Framed for the destruction of Bonnie hook, Line, and Sinker. I'll still throw hands for Monty because the whole "Monty destroyed Bonnie" debacle is so clearly laid out as a setup to frame Monty. There is so much contradiction against Monty being the culprit, because if Bonnie was "last seen" near the catwalks in Monty's golf, which is around when and where everyone assumes Monty ''attacked'' Bonnie, then why in the world is Bonnie in the backroom of Bonnie Bowl???? Monty would not be capable of getting to that back room from the catwalks with an entire decomissioned robo-pal in his grasp without being seen by legitimately anyone. That's absolutely absurd, what makes you think an animatronic programmed for playing Golf and the Bass Guitar is somehow capable of planning, executing, and covering up an entire robo-murder, singlehandedly. Monty did not do it, and if he did, he sure as hell wasn't the one who greenlit the decision to have Bonnie removed.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

The only problem is, there's really no evidence that he was framed. Even moving Bonnie was possible since his body was carried on a piece of carpet from Monty Golf. If he was framed, they simply didn't give enough evidence. And more importantly, didn't show why Monty would be framed or how Monty might've reacted to it.

[@Spookworm]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Yeah, the main downfall of Security Breach is the lack of concrete evidence given for literally anything, honestly /Lh 😂😅 I will point out that the carpeting under Bonnie is actually not the same from Gator Golf, the piece having a completely different pattern with a clearly visible confetti-like shape that the Gator Golf carpet lacks (only showing the simple Monty face shape and a star), but, then again, the pizzaplex is large, so there might be a section of Gator Golf that has that specific pattern that I haven't seen, and I haven't played the game myself yet, so I've got a pretty outside view of the whole ordeal anyway. Either way, I'm a sucker for aligator designs, and his color is green which is my favorite color, so I've just resigned to my fate of liking both Bonnie and the Bonnie-killer /Lh

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

I too think it’s weird that Bonnie was apparently tracked on cameras to get to Monty Golf, yet none picked up on Monty taking Bonnie back to Bonnie Bowl. Or, yes, how absolutely no one saw him on the way back. Monty gets through places like a bull in a china shop, how did no one see him?

[@Jman-oy5gl]

⁠@@SnarkyTeaSipperI feel like whoever could have seen him deleted or didn’t record the evidence to make him look bad. It was 4:52 AM when Bonnie went missing, there could have been just over an hour before opening for big things to happen that we don’t know about. Honestly, the whole situation seems like an Ace Attorney case to me.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

@@Jman-oy5gl you mean to make Monty look bad?

[@kendallcharleswell8489]

MONTY!!! I think he should have had more. Chica didn't have any of the personalization moments Roxy and Freddy had, but she has a very noticeable eating disorder that makes her pitiable. Monty's 'origin' is as an ascended fan boy, but his in-game personality is just standoffish jerk with no explanation for the change. Then RUIN doubles down on the animalistic attributes. A real redheaded stepchild situation among golden Glamrock children. I think they should have had him working along side Moon and Vanny in Help Wanted 2. I don't know how, but they could have had them working together and it could have been cool. (I'm accidentally writing fanfic now) Justice for our favorite animatronic gator

[@DavinFaulkner]

Stop using past tense, it could still happen. And I don't want him to be a villain.

[@kendallcharleswell8489]

@DavinFaulkner I hope so too, honestly

[@Kammy_dafox]

Bro, I was watching a video about the horror film Old, and I went to Reddit, and I accidentally clicked on this video when I got the notification. Crazy, am i right?

[@jabbathehutt2774]

I would've vastly preferred a Monty that spends more time messing with you than he does killing you. The idea of him playing it off as him being stupid or an accident when its clearly not. Like imagine if gregory needed a charging station for Freddy and Monty shows up, breaks the machine, says "oops" and leaves with no chase sequence, and then throughout the process of finding a replacement machine he just shows up over and over and slightly inconveniences you and leverages Freddie's charge against you. Maybe then even have a Freddy chase sequence. Then as he gets more damaged and longer into the night, have start to be way more aggressive and bitter rather than silly, like a bully having a third act breakdown of sorts. Then have the pity points that youd have for what was once a person with great bravado is now just a walking(or crawling) tantrum. Make it clear he is a bit of a silly jock that means well but holds grudges, and as the mimic program rots his brain, it makes him a hyperd1ck and extra petty about it. IMO that makes him more sympathetic and likable as antagonist without taking away the jerkiness, and brutishness.

[@JaxonSignor]

This kid killed off 6foot robots in one night this kid is a menace

[@patrickkenneally3016]

Some peeps I follow on Twitter love Monty. I think it's because he stands out as the only reptilian animatronic in the series.

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

Another thing about Monty in the Ruin DLC that I would like to make sure it's real is his legs being hidden on the map like Chica's voice box. I've seen people investigating and showing the legs hidden on the map, so if they're really there then maybe Monty was supposed to have them back from Cassie like she did with Chica but they cut it out.

[@toeshrimp]

I could genuinely see him having lines in SB more along the lines of "IM NOT HIM" or even screaming out "IM MONTY", or even "IM NOT A REPLACEMENT!" similar to how Roxy is when she's angry. Have Monty trying to convince people he's his own character, not just a Bonnie reskin, and that's why he has anger issues and kids can't visit him because all they do is ask him about Bonnie.

[@baisakhimukherjee7524]

Interesting theory

[@squishii]

So glad you’ve grown to find Monty as a cute and idiotic meat head. I hope he isn’t gone for good and makes a return!

[@DavinFaulkner]

I don't want him as an idiotic meathead though! I want him as just a nice guy!

[@amber4320]

I've never been into Monty, for the same reasons you stated here: all there was to him was anger issues and an unsolved mystery. He deserved far more, especially because he's the first mainline fully nee animatronic! For so long the core four have been the same, and while Roxy is new, she's a Foxy rip-off. The only times we saw a gator before Monty were the kid in the gator mask in Happiest Day (possibly Andrew) and Old Man Consquences. They could have done something really cool with that, though I digress. Great video as always!

[@ShabangShabanging]

Monty was always my favorite because he was different than just Bonnie, Chica, and Freddy. Roxy's personality made me mad. And in Help Wanted 2, she was kind of, meh to me.

[@realpaperstarzz]

My friend fully believes that Monty wouldn't be as hated if he wasn't a bonnie replacement

[@captainet2457]

18:06 oh shoot. I still gotta finish VIP. (I didn’t even read it) To avoid spoiler from a book that came out a few weeks which probably doesn’t take long to finish.. Mark Cuban: I’m out! I might rewatch this video if I actually remember to read ViP and this video.

[@Cluelexander]

My personal headcanon for The Bonnie Incident (tm) is that Monty did it, but out of self defense. Mind you, this is 80% made up Headcanon and 20% Evidence, hence me not calling it a theory. I believe that Bonnie was actually the first victim of the Glitchtrap virus in the Pizzaplex. Vanny and Glitchtrap, being rabbits, decided to test their new virus out by infecting none other than the Pizzaplex's bunny animatronic, taking him on a test drive so to say. That would explain the weird amouts of time Bonnie spent in various locations around the Plex before his dissapearance as well as the lack of witnesses. Wouldn't want anyone catching Bonnie and noticing that there's something wrong with him now, would we? Bonnie, having the bassist claws, could also be capable of destroying all of the various broken staffbots around the Plex but that's a different headcanon for now. Either way, Vanny decides, for one reason or another, to take Bonnie up to the catwalks at Monty Golf and try to destroy Monty. (My idea is that she wanted to see just how far she could push Bonnie aka how useful he might be to her in the future. And Monty isn't a band member so he wouldn't be missed as much yk?) Bonnie, up on the catwalks, attacks Monty who defends himself, scratching Bonnies chest up and ends up accidentally throwing him over the catwalks, causing Bonnie to break in half. The rest follows one of your theories pretty much: Monty, the himbo that he is, panics, wraps Bonnie up in a tarp, carries him to Bonnie Bowl where he tries to make it look like Bonnie slipped and split his head open. The idea that Monty never really wanted to be in the band would explain why he misses practice a lot and hangs out on the catwalks, thinking about what he did.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

That is legit my headcanon too. Like, Bonnie was the one infiltrating Monty’s space at 4am, not Monty in Bonnie’s. I also thought that when Freddy said “there are no rabbits at the Pizzaplex, not anymore”, it would have hinted towards a corporate decision to remove Bonnie, because bunnies are a bad omen at this point in time. Weird how Fazbear Entertainment tried to rebrand Freddy’s to avoid past controversy, but keep a painful image of a rabbit in the roster. But no. Apparently it’s a jealousy subplot that only spirals out of control because the staff members forget they even have a section in the Pizzaplex dedicated to repairing animatronics and housing spare endos.

[@KaylieghHereford]

Monty was ruined imo as soon as he was used for FREAKING PARKOUR in Ruin. D:

[@vincentmorris8431]

Something I found is Dumpster Diving has you go through Freddy and Bonnie's attractions to shatter Chica before you head to Roxy (the original Glamrock band as we know it) whereas Monty's is his and Chica's attractions before Roxy (the current band). I sometimes wondered if Monty getting decommissioned first was the more 'canon' route, from the gates before Burntrap and the CDs, to Ruin's path, to his encounter not being after shattering like the girls (particularly when Matpat wondered if he'd be a jumpscare afterwards as his crawling was a later patch, and got totally surprised seeing him in the Fazcade). Monty can chase you to the basement as the Daycare/theater are a trigger point for him - along with his Gator Golf, sometimes Rockstar Row or the utility tunnels. The lunges at you that don't register a game over (just his yell) are pretty terrifying. I'd say the Tales before Ruin also does him dirty in a few areas. The 5th book has him dancing in the arcade in GGY, and the 2nd Bobbiedot mirrored his legless state (she's even green with glasses), but the Storyteller... Roxy described as a full out bully (tracks for these stories), Chica maybe got it furthest as she was described as desiring attention over food (sounds more akin to your Funtime analysis), and she said to be yellow as opposed to the others' physical description being rather dead on. This idea of Chica going yellow to white was also thought to be after Bonnie's decommissioning as per Monty's following mention, but it doesn't line up with the Ruin cutouts before the catwalks. Monty's depicted bruting out plus repressive silences. And of course Monty Within, where a manifestation of him bullies a guy until chopping his brain in half. Also apparently saying FFPS is an in-game game - was the guy saying that or the narrator? Regarding Cassie's feeling about Monty, it is one of many ways to interpret the "hard to look at" Regarding his plush. I may dive further for the next hot takes.

[@treena9930]

I think the worst part of how Monty has been treated. Is that SteelWoolStudios couldn't even acknowledge it. In an interview, they were asked why Monty wasn't in the game. They gave, admittedly a lazy excuse. I could be fine with that. Developing a game is more complex than just "make game". I was ready to hear "Monty just had bad luck". I just also wanted to know they cared about his fans to some degree. That it wasn't a lack of care for why Monty was cut. Just circumstances and bad luck. Then the interview continued. When they said what Monty had in HW2 was considered content. As in they thought what he got was comparable to what Roxy, Freddy, Chica, and Sun/Moon got. That felt so disrespectful. I feel like I've been punished for liking the wrong character. I've been boycotting SteelWoolStudio ever since. Cause, truthfully. Why should I support a company that thinks so little of its fans to treat them that way? What's worse is. I Hate Roxy and Sun/Moon now. Not because they're fan and creator favorites. Because the preferential treatment they got, meant Monty fans got left behind. Being very bitter. While you got a full course meal with how the Daycare is treated. I got told to go to the nearest dumpster and scavenge. Like you said. Monty is an afterthought, and his fans are no different.

[@wakkaseta8351]

If I remember correctly, Shattered Monty was glitched in the initial release of SB and would just stay in place after spawning, so he was basically a non-threat.

[@TheBananaMan971]

I want a monty plushie so i can give him a fully defined character in my little stupid plush series. Monty deserved so much better, like, imagine if monty was just... consumed by the virus over the course of the game, like, he starts off as a competent threat and the most dangerous glamrock, but over the course of gregory's night at freddy's slowly devolves into an easily defeatable threat, while the others become more dangerous and harder to deal with, until monty's fight, where all pretense is lost and the bucket drops, snapping monty in half, just like his mind, until he is just an animal. imagine seeing monty, as the most aggressive one, fights the glitchtrap virus and his lines are either pained, scratchy cries or automated sounding "come on out kid, i don't bite" type voicelines. Monty could have been so cool, and I love the character to death, but i feel like he could have been more. Rock and Roll!

[@MGG069]

Personally, Monty is my favourite of all the Glamrocks, and describing him as a 'looney toons' type of character I feel fits him quite well, I also feel like the way he is in Ruin also fits him well. But excluding him from the gameplay in HW2 yet leaving him in the files feels at least a little insulting. I hope he returns at some point.

[@mxplumberry]

One of the things that gets me the most when thinking about how bad of a draw Monty got as far as importance within the game: If you decommission Chica first, you have access to ALL BUT ONE of SB's 6 endings (Afton), but if you go for Monty first, you have access to HALF of the endings. Only one ending requires the player to think about Monty.

[@theironiccat6228]

thank you for making this video, monty is my absolute favorite animatronic in the franchise (alligators are my special interest) his design is cool, his voice is cool, his area was SO COOL and there was SO much potential for him. we got no further characterization of him in ruin and then i was DEVESTATED when he was the ONLY ONE cut from help wanted 2. i really feels like the people at steel wool got personal beef with the gator

[@porcelainchips6061]

VIP's depiction of Monty originally having a Maze makes sense; his stalking behavior matches a maze that needs a "threat" to keep participants actively searching for the exit.

[@hsfhanaa]

20:25 Monty is a himbo confirmed

[@bepiins]

I truly do think, as unfortunate as it is, that Steel Wool shot themselves in the foot with Monty (repeatedly). They inextricably tied him, a new, underdeveloped character, to a beloved legacy character’s mysterious fate. So now, the vocal fanbase of Bonnie enjoyers will feel left behind if Monty comes back and Bonnie doesn’t, and Monty can’t have development without it being centered on Bonnie… which is probably why he didn’t develop, ever. I think he’d really have been done a service if SB’s story had followed up on its minor sub-theme of the Animatronics being an abused working class unable to advocate for themselves at the pizzaplex.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

I think that too. Like I was actually enjoying the theory from the base game that the Virus impacting the Glamrocks mirror vices that rockstars face in the real world. Like Chica’s constant eating destroying her body is a metaphor for substance ab*se for instance. Like, I could possibly see Monty getting mistreated by the staff and customers for replacing an old character, and that is what turns him to anger. I theorise that the arcade game, gondola ride and gutter ball animations, all showing Monty’s supposed jealousy of Freddy and Bonnie, were all made by pretty bitter staff members, and Monty seeing them would probably make his mental state even worse. He could literally be mistreated, and the narrative is being controlled against his will by the staff. ( I still do think Bonnie’s plot line is dumb because it seems like a bigger sink of money to rebrand the Pizzaplex with Monty stuff, rather than using a spare endo for a new Bonnie)

[@matthewsimon6170]

A a certified Monty Enjoyer(literally my favorite animatronic of all time), the fact people look at the emotionally frustrated bandmate who wants a solo act and to be left alone, and immediately assume he killed Bonnie for his spot, and use the programmer of Monty's minigolf arcade cabinets dislike of Freddy, as reasonings to hate him, despite literally all animatronics having claws on their endos, and the multitude of evidence showing Monty doesn't even want to be with the Faz-crew, just shows that they're jumping the gun way too much for a character that quite literally sounds like an overstimulated ADHD gator boy(extreme fixation on his favorite thing, very poor social skills apart from a small collection, and unwillingness to follow instructions he doesn't like, IE dont leave the band and dont walk the catwalks.)

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

Honestly, it throws me off how people like Original Freddy and gang for killing humans, But when people speculate Monty for killing an animatronic (whom I think didn't get enough attention to begin with,) as bad, then...I got nothing. Thank You SOOOO Much for giving Monty a chance to be understood Notrealname.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

There's definitely double-standards with the animatronics. Such as, in early fnaf fandom, fanworks often depicted the souls possessing the animatronics as being the 'bad guys'. Likely because the Purple Guy became a woobie character around that time. 👀I know it's not entirely the same, but sometimes things be weird. XD

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 And once again is about time someone took a dive at Monty's character, rather the whole Bonnie senario. One again Thank you, even though Freddy's my favorite glammrock, I'm REALLY GLAD Monty gets some kinda respect.

[@SnarkyTeaSipper]

I see that as legit a double standard too. Like, guys, breaking an animatronic is nothing compared to the MCI. Or stealing someone’s skin to plan a breakout. Or stuffing night guards into animatronic suits that will pop out their eyes and teeth, or something like that. And what’s worse is the Pizzaplex still has staff. They still have resources to repair animatronics, or give them new endos. They literally ignore all of this, just to have this weird Missing Bonnie situation.

[@clarenceandgennymcneil251]

@@SnarkyTeaSipper seriously, right.

[@Squishy_the_fox]

You know, Freddy is my favorite Glamrock. But Monty being ignored has always rubbed me the wrong way.

[@ihavenoideaatall7381]

I think Monty could reflect the personality of Andrew (as they both share the same animal identifier) if Scott/Steel Wool choose to explore the possible supernaturallity of SB. They both show a more aggressive personality and people have connected other SB characters to characters who’re dead or are important in other stories. He could be sort of the Nelson Muntz of the group, a cartoon bully who’s shown signs that he’s more complex, but still falls into that role of the cliche bully. Maybe he could be like Jax from the amazing digital circus who gets his kicks out of being cruel to others, but has a hint of being a character.

[@Sganarell]

It's okay Monty, *I* love you

[@jartist583]

Being a Monty fan is hard, with steelwool favoring only Freddy and Roxy...