"What makes you so Special?" The Line that Broke Fnaf's Lore

Today we're delving into the complex lore surrounding Circus Baby, Mimic, Vanny, Moon, and many others. Is it true? Is Mimic Baby? Is Circus Baby still alive? Is the past repeating itself in the future of Five Nights at Freddy's? Well, those are loaded questions, so we'll need to take a few potshots in the dark. What do I mean? Well, let me explain...
Music:
Gracefully into the Abyss - Help Wanted 2
Underneath 1 - Fnaf World
Through the Cracks - Freddy in Space 2
Legal Woes - Pizzeria Simulator
0:00 The Web of Lore around Circus Baby
1:19 The Current State of Fnaf's Lore
3:08 A Brief Cover of Circus Baby
3:56 Explaining Baby from the Books
4:46 Who is Eleanor?
5:53 Eleanor is NOT Baby
6:28 Mimic Replaced Eleanor
7:00 Security Breach's Eleanor Teaser (& Vanny connection?)
7:55 Book Afton is in Princess Quest
9:17 Who is the Mimic?
10:09 Mimic has Book Baby's Backstory
10:47 Where did "What Makes You so Special?" come from?
11:38 Is Glitchtrap Mimic? Well actually...
12:40 The Glitchtrap Paradox - Where'd he come from?
14:34 Mimic outlives Glitchtrap
15:31 A Brief Tangent on Glamrock Bonnie
16:38 The Messy Nature of Vanessa & Vanny
17:05 Vanessa is Baby's Replacement in Every Way
18:53 The BIG Problem with Vanessa
20:09 Mystic Hippo's Connection to Vanny
20:46 Moon, Vanny's Puppet and Cut Lackey?
21:39 Moon's Connections to Baby
22:46 The Horrifying Truth
23:52 What I THINK is ACTUALLY going on here
25:45 But yeah, Vanessa's a Robot Clone of Elizabeth

[@user-wt1fn5gb1v]

I love your videos soooo much!!! You have such an awesome voice!! :D :D You're one of my favorite FNAF youtubers! (Oh also, can I please be pinned?)

[@azimuddin1890]

Same!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Pinned!

[@azimuddin1890]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Awesome!

[@user-wt1fn5gb1v]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Your the best!!!! Thanks so much for pinning me! :D

[@IronVigilante451]

He did it...

[@ithinkflutterawesome6511]

The Daycare Attendant took on the role of Fem Fatale and Tumblr SexyClown to free Circus Baby from its shackles, a truly selfless act.

[@Grinningfartking6969]

Pretty sure vanny did that

[@siaiirp]

😰

[@jademonass2954]

💀💀

[@lilypaigeham]

SO REAL‼️‼️‼️

[@springfnafreviews7476]

If I had a nickel for everytime a hippo animatronic shared a lore relevent line with other animatronics id have 2 nickels which isnt alot but its weird its happened twice

[@LillieCornelius-fd8hc]

Doc doof I need this quote more often

[@Grinningfartking6969]

No you don't ​@@LillieCornelius-fd8hc

[@skullzans]

Chaos Theory: Mimic, Burntrap, and Glitchtrap are all independent wills and identities with their own goals. Mimic trying to just replace whoever it sees as the most influential, Burntrap being the remains of Afton's agony trying to reclaim life again and possibly the soul of Afton, Glitchtrap being created by the cognitive pattern of afton who now wants to move on to just playing god because he now has his immortality and wants control of everything?

[@tinaherr3856]

This seems pretty cool

[@Lustfullynova]

Okay but why does this sound much better than whatever is going on now 😭😭😭

[@davidhong1934]

​@@Lustfullynova Because the story is actually several animateonic parts in a trench coat selling fake CDs by the dollar store Nobody knows what's happening because it's more fun to yank random puzzle pieces out of different boxes to construct our own personal narratives

[@Squishy_the_fox]

Honestly? This seems like one of the best theories I've seen

[@skullzans]

@@Squishy_the_fox 0 Evidence from me, just fanfiction-esque characterization expansion. But if true, nice.

[@nataliaborys1554]

"You're William Afton, he's William Afton, _I'm_ William Afton... Are there any other Aftons I should know about!?" ~ Vanessa, probably

[@sillyDollzie]

vanessa and afton, afton, afton, afton, afton and afton

[@azimuddin1890]

(11:13) CharlieDroid no.4: So, what makes you so special? CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character. CharlieDroid no.4: Huh?

[@captainet2457]

And she springlocked William.

[@captainet2457]

I guess you can say that Charliebot3 broke the Fourthcharliebot wall

[@azimuddin1890]

@@captainet2457 CharlieDroid no.4: Oh yeah…

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special? Charlie Droid no.3: I'VE BEEN DOING SIT-UPS!

[@captainet2457]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Am I the only one who likes that line despite the fact that it’s kinda cheesy. (I guess)

[@AcrizCaazi]

25:00 “Suffering daughter, Fem Fatal. Tragic duplicate stuck pretending…” *“Clown.”* Delivery made me laugh, idk. Love my clowns.

[@Anima--L]

For me personally the lore has left the original idea of ghost kids forced to poses cold machines in an effort to one catch their evil killer that now days the only lore I need focuses on dumb main characters like book Carlton and movie mike doing dumb things and somehow surviving and winning. X)

[@ThemightyTelevision]

Probably because the newer theories are more of a nothing burger, none of them are interesting in the slightest, you can tell that very easily by how much talk about the older games take up a theory video, the only thing you can make with the new lore is just guesses of what's gonna happen next and then how much the "new story" rewrites the old lore.

[@bi-biwolf]

You would benefit from some punctuation ngl. Edit: That sounds rude sorry, I just genuinely struggled to read your comment due to the lack of punctuation lmao.

[@bellslimes]

@@ThemightyTelevisionyeah it’s tough when we don’t get much to work with in the newer games

[@ThemightyTelevision]

@@bellslimes I blame 'em for it, instead of just making a normal reboot like everyone else does they're trying to slowly rewrite the history of fnaf as slow as they can.

[@bellslimes]

@@ThemightyTelevision true

[@Ghostface1998]

A lot of speculation being that the father of Cassie is supposed to be the Bonnie masked individual in the bite of 83 minigame which could make sense so I was very interested to see what you had to say cause this line came out of no where and having 3 characters say it is so strange. It is just like fnaf to have such a line make the fanbase go in shambles trying to figure out what it means lol.

[@captainet2457]

Can’t wait for the next one

[@Takejiro24]

Yeah, I was really hoping she'd talk about that. But, her going really hard on the other connections (especially to Circus Baby) was fascinating. Never knew about half of these. Good stuff.

[@thatgamerthing9812]

Don't forget that in Princess Quest 4, there's an Easter egg that if you light the graves in a specific order, an area is revealed with a chest. Inside the chest is a worn-down Bonnie mask.

[@Takejiro24]

@@thatgamerthing9812 Even better is the text that displays next to it, "This looks familiar."

[@thatgamerthing9812]

@@Takejiro24 Exactly!

[@pinxelated2799]

Baby was so good a character fnaf can't help but try recreating and replacing and rewriting her over and over and over again...

[@FTZPLTC]

Legit fascinated by this - I can totally imagine there being a plan to have Eleanor cross from the books to the games, and for her to be Vanny. I've seen other theories involving the visual effects that we see when she's around that could imply the illusion disc... but then, because nothing really comes of it, it seems kinda pointless. But if the idea was that she was actually going to be Eleanor, it'd kinda make sense. Obviously the big problem here is that connecting a game that felt like a soft reboot of the franchise to a bunch of books most people won't have read is going to be confusing for most people, so if this was the idea, I think ditching it was definitely the right call.

[@anewcryptid]

Eleanor is just the mimics drag persona

[@Wind_Blaze]

Oh good lord, that's even worse lol- Mimic is already a furry as of Ruin's Scooper Ending, do we really need the homicidal endo to be into drag? 😂

[@Screaminizzy]

@@Wind_BlazeThis made me chuckle

[@GendoRokabundi]

Based on the stuff with Bonnie and Glitchtrap you pointed out: What if Glitchtrap first took over Bonnie as Burntrap 1.0, but ended up getting caught doing something shady by Monty, a struggle ensued leading to Bonnie’s demise. Vanny covers it up because she needs to keep the whole Glitchtrap thing on the DL, especially if the all staff meeting hasn’t occurred yet. This would allow for the Monty redemption some people are looking for without an elaborate frame job that just gets covered up anyway. Instead it was self defense, but they still need to cover it up. Monty’s moodiness is then a kind of guilt for benefitting from an accident he wish never happened.

[@Deathangel6590_gaming]

"And this ladies and gentlemen is why fnaf lore feels like a fever dream. Welcome to fazbear hell population 666 and they're all spawn of afton" is quite litterally the best way to describe fnaf lore. I tried thorising and couldn't take it. It's so confusing and we don't really get anything confirmed half the things we think we know could ALL be wrong in some way and its painful. It'll drive you insane. Look at what poor matpat went through. (Also that line was hilarious and so true to todays current lore since security breach"

[@PositiveNihilism.]

Circus Baby's Most IConic Scene was when she was in the BackgroundInside of A Pod of a factory, In Fury's Rage.

[@PositiveNihilism.]

The Reason for this, was "What the Clown Doin?" But Seriously What's she Doing in Fury's Rage? It's Something I Don't hear Much people Talk about.

[@sorrel_leaf_vespers]

"My sources are clean, so let's make this as messy as possible" is my new favorite quote and I am going to do my best to live by it

[@Sonicmid]

10:53 the silver eyes and the novel trilogy is actually really important in the franchise to the point where the movie is more of an adaptation of that than the games Foxy arcade seen his copied from that book ELLA is in the movie tho she’s completely different from her counterpart. William spring lock is almost to one to one with the silver eyes minus the building, collapsing and golden. Freddy is not involved with it whatsoever. Spring Bonnie is in the movie he has the exact same powers only buffed as he can now control and manipulate the animatronics which is something he did have in the fourth closet but he has it right off the movie no molten MCI. Like he’s so connected to them that they’re able to talk to each other in dreams and snitch (in fact the whole reason they hurt the adults because he tells them to) Mike and Charlie have the exact same backstory kind of their younger brother is taken, though Mike is definitely not a robot here because Garrett 100% exist The building collapsing is like the twisted ones though it completely different context it collapses because pain was extremely powerful The really cool kids, drawing plot line is straight up copied from the fourth closet one to one (this is off-topic, but I really like the idea of William having control of the animatronics and them thinking their friends I think that’s an amazing rewrite decision love to see it implemented in like a Fnaf 1 remake or something)

[@captainet2457]

Facts

[@bubblegum1366]

​@@captainet2457 Facts. Like, I totally get why some people hate the novels. I stopped in my tracks and audibly asked "What!?" in public when listening to the audiobook of The Twisted Ones, and Springtrap went "oof!" and let go after Charlie elbowed him. Parts are goofy, but they are and have always been very obviously important to the actual series.

[@captainet2457]

⁠@@bubblegum1366Sorry, KZbin didn’t notify you. Anyways, despite its goofiness in the novel, I still love the novel trilogy.

[@IronVigilante451]

If they didnt use Baby for every other plotline, they'd be better.

[@user-gp3fv4jl2q]

They didn't Eleanor and The Mimic are not baby Daycare attendants were just theatre bots thanks to Bobbiedots. The connections she makes in this video is just her concealing evidence to show the false perspective.

[@IronVigilante451]

@@user-gp3fv4jl2q Elanor and Mimic are filling similar roles to baby, thus putting them into question as to wether or not they ARE the same character. Daycare Attendent is a bit of a stretch, but the line of "what makes you so special", the jeckle and hyde personality shift he shares with vanessa, and his actual conmections to Vannyin Help wanted 2 are solid enough. She's pointing out connections and saying how these complicate the story, because they are all over the place, yet are similar to the small clues we scrutinized in the classic era of fnaf to solve it's mysteries. Just a bit of thought. Edit:Also, concealing what evidence? What perspective? That Fnaf is a complicated spagetti mess of lore?

[@user-gp3fv4jl2q]

@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor in Frights fills a different role, if anything she is similiar to Shadow Freddy. The Mimic kills because its copying a killer and following the orders unintentionally. Baby does not fit both of thee characters. Because she didn't mention the part where Eleanor is made from the Missing Children's Agony or the fact that Mimic is indeed Glitchtrap (confirmed in HW2). She also pretty much didn't mention the part where "Eleanor" we see in Frights is just an outer shell, her real apperance is basically black goo tentacle monster Now let's see, do they both follow the Circus baby's story?

[@IronVigilante451]

@@user-gp3fv4jl2q Elanor mimics and kills like Mimic. Shadow Freddy doesnt do anything aside from lure kids. Baby and Elanor share similar orgins. Also, the tendrel thing could relate to Nightmarrione, which links to charlie, then to Fourth closet Baby. Baby's shtick in SL is her pretending to kill mike. This is all to say, that Baby and her variations are causing confusion, wether its in frights, silver eyes, or even the main games.

[@user-gp3fv4jl2q]

@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor doesn't mimic anyone, she uses a disguise of the pendant but thats preet much it. Shadow Freddy tortures Mike in fnaf4.

[@sweethistortea]

Listening to this while I play Street Fighter 6 (your voice is really soothing and that game stresses me out sometimes, haha), and I feel like Baby has some of the coolest lines in this entire series.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you so much! 😊And honestly, I agree. While I'm not crazy about Book Baby, she does have a few lines that really hit.

[@John-mp4qc]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Game Baby: Giant clown that “just wants to talk” with you, instead of killing you Book Baby: literally feels like fnaf tried to make metal sonic !

[@davidhong1934]

Baby for Street Fighter DLC confirmed?

[@gamasannin5668]

MatPat has been real quiet since this dropped🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Good_luck_.]

Yeah, cause he’s not working on youtube anymore. And this came put like 6 minutes ago

[@ballzfrog]

This made me laugh for real

[@JSpin-js4vr]

​@@Good_luck_. /woooosh

[@joshclark756]

@@Good_luck_. he still is active on one channel

[@spooderdude5949]

Damn shame he has a family to take care of eh?

[@Semi-Nobody]

15:17 To be honest, fnaf theorizing and most recent editions to fnaf lore in general feel like that. "But why did I have the bowl Scott?! Why did I have the bowl?!"

[@Lisa_Flowers]

This is so true lmao

[@Lisa_Flowers]

This is so true lmao

[@captainet2457]

Everytime you mention the Mimic, I think of that one Mimic meme. (That died a long time ago)

[@thewised.a.c]

It’s like the SpongeBob meme, “is anybody else here an Afton or Afton inspired?”

[@bandigustin1038]

I would have liked that more characters said it. Maybe it's more important that some characters say it and others don't

[@azimuddin1890]

Obi-Wan Kenobi: Hello there!

[@captainet2457]

General RevanKnight

[@azimuddin1890]

@@captainet2457 /:) your move.

[@venomfan2020]

You are a bold one!

[@captainet2457]

⁠@@azimuddin1890I’ll handle this commenter slime myself

[@WhimeaMonster538]

Hello there.

[@truemetalsonic]

I thought they were hinting at the mimic being Baby or vice versa because apparently its favourite outfit is a jester clown...

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I don't think that was its favorite outfit, but the one he was stuck inside of at the end of the books. In the books he seems more into the whole tiger thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if they went for that.

[@jen-jen5470]

Ok, this episode to me was the funniest thing you've made so far, aside from maybe the Smooching guide. Your writing is witty, you hit all the beats actually reading it all out, add a bit of improv here and there and it's just so great, I burst out laughing multiple times. Other than that, the theories themselves were also pretty great! I genuinely hope the connections are simply correlated to the writers making actual separate characters with their own traits instead of dumping every possible trait into Baby and calling it a day. I'd like Baby to just be herself like she's in Help Wanted 2 and others to be all those other things she got turned into. Overall amazing work ^w^

[@xxyep_stuffxx4674]

Im a simple gal, i see the daycare attendant and i click (im also interested in the video itself i swear-)

[@azimuddin1890]

Are you trying to make your way through the universe like Jango Fett from Star Wars?

[@pikareeegodofthecubone5725]

11:52 the picture here is scary

[@DarkShadow-hy6iq]

WE FINDING OUR NEW MATPAT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥

[@dankestsquad26]

Real

[@arianewinter4266]

. . . Someone with Just as much Halters AS followers whos theories get regarded AS disproven Just by the merit of WHO voiced them?!

[@DarkShadow-hy6iq]

@@arianewinter4266 eh?

[@genotaurus9161]

Hearing the who mimic mimics speculations is at this point making me fear the next game is gonna reveal that the glitch trap virus predates William and jus like, he was the first infected or smth. Just switcheroo who came first to go "Seeeee? Didn't expect this did you?"

[@Creeper_Hacks]

Most if not all of the problems in the fnaf lore are caused by theorizing lol. To a certain extent of course but the idea that there's always SOMETHING hidden in the shadows that has gone unnoticed to everyone and trying ever so desperately to use it to explain SOMETHING unsolved is what really drove the fnaf lore to break. I think it's more worth while to just... wait until Scott or Steel Wool drop some more information on the current lore rather than speculating purely for the sake of it lmao. Love your vids though! They're always insanely thought provoking which is surprisingly rare nowadays :)

[@ThemightyTelevision]

People wanting to know every minor detail is what broke it, in my eyes, dream theory was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because it started the beginning of the end, it quickly overshadowed any other theory at the time and people for some reason saw no other choice but to force Scott to give every detail about the story after that because of how vague fnaf 4 was, despite that being the point of the game, many failed to see it.

[@ThemightyTelevision]

Now fnaf has been rebooted twice now, people still fail to see it, because everyone still tries to connect the first timeline with the second timeline and the third.

[@Caragoner]

Sadly everyone wants on that theory hype train. Gotta get them views with "HIDDEN FNAF SECRETS?!". Everyone wants a piece of the pie.

[@ThemightyTelevision]

@@Caragoner everyone wants to be the one to carry the theory scene on their back, and that's their biggest problem, they try too hard.

[@ViktorErikFade]

Not believing Monty murdered Bonnie is easier when you think about when lore is to obvious it gets denied or ret-conned later The Bite of 87 was believed for so long then randomly its the bite of 83 now

[@captainet2457]

3:00 clean line

[@meminggamer42069]

I very much so think you should watch game theories' most recent FNAF theory, the first one without matt, it explains a lot of the things you're wondering about the mimic in a way that made a lot of sense to me, maybe it will to you too! Great video by the way.

[@Cluelexander]

15:47 Completely unrelated to the actual video topic but this is something about Glam Bonnie that's bothered me ever since we first saw him: *WHERE ARE HIS CLAWS?* It's the ONE thing about his design that we were given before he was fully revealed and played a relatively large part in theories surrounding him and his deminse so why oh why does he just straight up not have claws in Ruin and HW2?? You can't even argue that they took Bonnies endo hands directly and put them onto Monty since he 1) clearly still has his endo skeleton underneath his hands and 2) even if, for SOME REASON, they replaced his endo hands with a different, equally broken pair just to put them onto a broken Bot, his exoskeleton aka shell would have holes at the tips of his fingers to let the claws through. Which he doesn't. So Steel Wool forgot the most important detail about Bonnies Design when actually making his model. Amazing Job, guys /s

[@chasejensen4658]

Call it creativity, call it nonsense, this is the FNAF lore for ya.

[@lemmeyeetoutofhere5076]

I feel like I havent seen any creativity come out of the fnaf story jn a long time. We keep dancing around the same events and plots, even if its supposed to help fill in the gaps in the main story its starting to feel stale. The same character under diffrent names, constant return to afton and his family/victims. I feel like the fnaf universe has so much potential for other stories and characters that arent even being considered. We can even look at the other characters involved in the main story like the first 5 victims or any later victims. They all have potential. I dont think it will ever happen but it would be interesting to explore the world of fnaf from a diffrent perspective and with a different focus rather than the killer

[@no_sleep_bois4281]

YESSS I DIDN’T MISS IT TO BADLY, I’VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARDS TOO THIS FOR AWHILE

[@j.a.m.m]

GOOD LORD I had trouble understanding everything, that is indeed quite the tangle of messes and repetitions. I mean, as you said, the writers are probably just reuising characters traits that Baby had beforehand, but at this point it just causes wayyy too many complications. For any other series it could've just be agreed upon as it being simply referencing, or lazy writing, but considering that Fnaf is all about finding lore in the details, of course people are going to try proving direct connections from obvious similarities. But great vid as always, stil! 20:06 Ngl some Fnaf Fashion Review would be kinda fun, now that I think about it

[@ArinaCoryn]

I should not have watched this in bed right before going to sleep, I'm just confused now. I'll rewatch this in the morning.

[@mango9808]

I think nobody talks about the fact that in HW2's ending Moon's eyes don't glow red. I wonder why 🤔

[@gavinjames645]

What I think. 1. If the theory of us playing as Cassie’s dad is true perhaps the what makes you so special line could be indicating that were we their and responsible for starting the beginning of the fazbear horrors during the bite of 83, also if the theory of Cassie’s dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald is also true than he was most likely the victim of the bite of 87 in which he lost his frontal lobe but somehow survived, and if Jeremy was their during the beginning if he was friends with Michael than perhaps he knew Elizabeth and learned what happened to her, he may have also been a technician at circus baby’s entertainment and rental to try and investigate what was happening. 2. Also i was under the belief that Eleanor was just a haunted animatronic with the agony of Elizabeth afton. 3. I’m also under the belief that burntrap is just a mimic variant that glitchtrap uses as a physical host body, also if the books are canon to the games I believe that the body on burntrap is a young man named luca who dies in a springtrap costume with springlocks. 4. I also believe that William afton created glitchtrap by training it off of himself in case anything ever happens to him so their would technically be another version of himself around, then the circuit boards with the glitchtrap virus were found by fazbear entertainment llc and used for many things. 5. Im pretty sure Elizabeth is ginger haired. 6. If it were up to me what I would’ve done with Vanessa and vanny is instead of making them the same person directly I would have Vanny be a digital character (much like glitchtrap and MXES) and have her possess Vanessa’s body through her VANNI mask, that way they would be separate people despite sharing the same body, we would also have Vanessa as a ally and friend to Gregory while unaware that she’s possessed, also vanny would only be able to be in control for 1 hour a day and we still have to play the process quest games to save/free her, but the only way to permanently destroy her is to fully get rid of the glitchtrap virus and destroy her mask.

[@CottonArsonist]

I have an idea: Glitchtrap may be the MIMIC1 Program's reconstruction of "The Purple Guy" by mimicking what is contained within the scrapped robot's scanned metal; their metal containing their Remnant: Remnant contains memories and emotions and, as such, this all mixes together to form "The Afton Amalgamation" if you will, an amalgamation of every victim and every entities' beliefs and memories of William. William himself likely finds a way to attach to it in some way due to either being connected to it, the program realising they're the same guy, or because of it containing some of his own Remnant.

[@thekeeper1287]

Also man. I do love it when they cut things that would potentially answer questions. In every game theyve made

[@isaacbear7115]

Can't believe this video ended the Kendrick Drake beef

[@jan_harald]

tbh, with the reveal that circus baby's is ancient, with mimic being down next to carnival costumes.... it would actually MAKE SENSE that mimic is OLD CIRCUS BABY!!! or well, predecessor at least, may not be "baby" exactly....but it IS supposed to be wearing a "jester costume", and I don't think there's any more direct links than that, short of calling it the same thing, lol...I wouldn't be surprised if in the next game we found out that the old mimic was indeed the original "circus baby", which explains WHY the new baby has the mimic chip, and it explains WHY the new baby is SO GOOD AT MIMICKING, it's because she's based on THE mimic, it's also very likely that is the only reason "ennard" managed to squeeze into, and control micheael in the first place, because of the residual knowledge on how to wear different suits, since y'know...afterwards, "the blob" ends up as a big shapeless pile of junk, with the baby gone....

[@zerada00]

I don't know newer FNAF lore at all, but watching this was a blast.

[@Sonicmid]

The why are you so so special in my opinion is just referred to how Cassie’s Dad assisted in the bite of 83 and is one of the longtime workers of Freddy’s He’s VR,Fnaf 2 Jeremy ,and also a circus baby technician

[@captainet2457]

This or Jeremy Fitzgerald

[@Sonicmid]

@@captainet2457 Jeremy and VR are the same in my opinion so there’s only 2 Jeremy the way I see it

[@captainet2457]

@@Sonicmid maybe.. is there a big difference lore wise when playing VR mode compared to flat mode?

[@BraedonElgin]

I kinda doubt fnaf 2 Jeremy would work at any fnaf pizzeria after the bite, and vr Jeremy is definitely dead after cutting his face off

[@Sonicmid]

@@BraedonElgin he never actually cut his face off. That was just a misconception and Jeremy most likely didn’t catch the bite that was never confirmed even if he did he still survived

[@item-001.the9children]

“What makes you so special?” (Fnaf kings addition) Matpat: “THEE LOOOOOOOOOORE” Dawko: “one word, Buff… Helpy” Dawktrap: “and me” CG5: “songs” Random Encounters: “MUSICAL” Superhorrorbro and Twisted animatronic: “secrets” and Markiplier: “I AM THE KING OF FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!!!”

[@Luminousity196]

Things would be so easy if Fnaf was directed by Micheal Bay

[@mr.x6313]

Remember when the franchise was about haunted animatronics? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@azimuddin1890]

CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special? CharlieDroid no.3: I did FIVE push-ups. CharlieDroid no.4: FIVE PUSH-UPS?!!! CharlieDroid no.3: Yep CharlieDroid no.4: Pff, I did SIX push-ups! CharlieDroid no.3: *insert her shock face*

[@item-001.the9children]

“what makes you so special?” Missing childrens version (sorry if too much) Cassidy: “REVENGE DUH” Gabriel, Susie, and Fritz: “WE LITERALLY DIED BY AFTON!!” Susie: “i was the first” Jeremy: *fists up* Charlie: “im in the books and games”

[@PossumsAreNice]

This is why I’ve slowly distanced myself from FNAF itself and started spending more time with its “fan-made spin-offs.” At least when the writing is bad on The Sun and Moon Show I know enough about what’s going on to actually tell

[@vincentmorris8431]

Speaking of lore, I wondered about you doing a discussion across each 8-bit sequence across the games, or at the very least, Princess Quest. Eleanor isn't Baby? I can get behind that. Really bugged me through Matpat's '21 Frights coverage where he just outright called her Baby. I'd say she's Frights' equivalent in its weird way, but not much more. I've seen that Fury's Rage silhouette debated to be Sexy Baby or Scrap Baby or maybe some other 3rd thing. While Stage 2 likely foreshadowed 6's Pizza Place under the megaplex, I don't know about this one... In addition to the mushrooms, I also saw the reddish lake compared to Old Man Consequences'. I'll call it a writing oopsie. I'm already getting baffled... What's weird is that Ruin has a totally different hallway before Bonnie Bowl's ice cream storage, rather Vanny's room shown afterwards. (Though what bugs me more is Gator Golf looking lowered down) I more lean on Elizabeth being orange while considering the graphic novel a slip-up (they made Cassidy brown instead of black). On top of that, Foxy bro looks like he has black hair during the Bite, but SL Mike's is brown like CC's. And eyes - Elizabeth's are green, SL Mike's look bluish, CC's was thought to be either of these before the Encyclopedia did brown (though I say it was pulled off of Gregory's model like the knee bandaid). Well, we didn't even have a Circus Baby in SL's office sequences (aside from Ennard). HW2 takes the names of the Puppet Master and Funtime Gang challenges, using the humanoids and Fazbear adjacent characters (plus Chica) leaving Baby with her own thing. I'm already stumped off that explanation. 666 + 87 ...or 83 GF, TOH and Bendy each have 618, 128 and 414, I'm not sure on a three digit number for fnaf... 26:19 Heh, I'm making a big chart like this consisting of 4 Afton's, both Emily's and the Missing 5. The SB column is bound to be a doozy.

[@azimuddin1890]

(4:46) This part feels like an old KZbin video, but with more high definition.

[@jackbrassington3489]

I personally think if you make glitch trap and Burntrap the mimic then it makes the lore a lot worse afton becoming a digital entity could have been interesting. (I refuse to believe that burn trap and glitch trap are the mimic)

[@Takejiro24]

Same

[@josephgrube]

Also, if the Mimic is Glitchtrap and Burntrap then that makes him just some Afton clone, which is basically Afton coming back but worded differently

[@BraedonElgin]

Unfortunately, tales confirmed that at least glitchtrap is the mimic

[@josephgrube]

@@BraedonElgin It actually doesn’t. Nowhere is that even implied

[@ouichkaj3365]

And what makes you so special notrealname why are you a good fnaf tuber

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

It's the amount of salt. XD It truly seasons the meat.

[@picklepepper900]

I think you touched on it lightly in this video. But security breach is unfortunately the worst entry that happened to the lore. because it got rushed, it generated a TON of the weird contradictions and issues that now plague the fanbase as a whole. To the point that they pushed a story patch in the form of ruin. Maybe if it wasn't rushed, things could have been more neatly telegraphed/explained, but alas!

[@Wizardjones69]

worst? what about fnaf 4

[@Redberd36]

1:00 I appreciate the usage of a Danganronpa nonstop debate font here lol. Encapsulates so much about truth and lies.

[@bananashoplifter3440]

NGL the vanny posing and curves was very informative

[@SnailGodIFL]

Honestly, the idea that, instead of William, Elizabeth is the new main villain. Elizabeth being glitchtrap or "malhare" is something I'd never considered before, but I think is a really cool idea that's now plausible to me thanks to this video.

[@your_mate_era7067]

Always loved this line in the franchise, great video it's been so good to see you grow over the past like 2 years-ish can't wait for more fantastic content for the next 2....ish years! :)

[@amandawilliamson986]

21:58 ok I like the delivery but moon isn’t a clown he’s a jester, but the game kinda makes him seem like a clown so eh let’s call it a draw. Now 18:10 uh her suit absolutely could get tighter I’ve seen edits where uhh certain places are bigger then others shall we say. Well I geuss that’s all. I got to say strange I got nothing to say on the theory but my nerdiness and personal interest in Vanny were the first thing in my mind

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Clowns and jesters are sort of two veins of the same thing, being costumed entertainers but with a specific differences. In a way, modern day clowns are pretty much ancestors of classic jesters, if you really think about it. I've thought about it a lot. I went through a jester binge when I was writing a fantasy book and got way too much info that I never ended up using. XD

[@amandawilliamson986]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 oh yeah good point. Also may I know what your book is called?

[@selenaaccalia2245]

Jester and clowns are two different things 😭

[@sonkotsusasmr3440]

I love the song you played during your wrap up section it's so soothing and relaxing , I love listening to your breakdowns

[@ghostsospooky7017]

I havent kept up on fnaf lore sense the 4th game and I am so SO lost on what the lore has turned in to😭

[@bluejay2931]

i love ur vids bc i love how you place an emphasis on story n charters- keep up the good work

[@CJxLuvly]

This has nothing to do with this video but I still feel like Sun/Moon's body class type still looks like an upgraded version of the Mimic's body class type. Super lanky and slender arms and legs. Similar teeth plates. And are all very flexible and/or can shape shift. The main difference between them is that Sun/Moon's head/face plate is more tablet-like hence why I say it's an upgrade. If it ever came down to the Sun/Moon being built in something's image, I wouldn't be surprised if they were built after the Mimic's body type. There's still a possibility of the Mimic also being from Circus Baby's Pizza World as well and the same goes for Sun/Moon. Who knows 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Litwaluz]

this is so damn complicated. I love that.

[@DawsonBeatty-dd4gv]

Hey guys, sorry for my absence, I was at sports camp, for visually impaired people, but I’m back!!

[@captainet2457]

Maybe it’s because Jeremy Fitzgerald is the main character of HW2. (Haven’t watch full video)

[@fabianl604]

i just watched ur circus baby video a few days ago and i just refreshed yt to find something to watch and saw this got uploaded 9 minutes ago so that was very nice surprise 😁 im excited, ur video on baby was great

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you! 8D

[@mamadev7687]

i love the crossdressing bugs bunny reference. it makes for a really great fan art idea XD

[@KanaIzumiya]

Yeah! I was waiting for this! I was also thinking about this line and seeing other people react and theorize about it made me want a video about it from you lol

[@roxberrrr67]

the title hooked me in, cant wait for another 2 hour video essay

[@Moonlight_0419]

About the Mimic learning from the Mimic, as ridiculous as it sounds, it's it's... Kinda possible? I mean, the Mimic 01 virus managed to take over the entire plex, and in the process of doing that, learned a lot of things. The other mimic is just a simple endoskeleton with simple commands. Like MatPat said (rip king), you give bad AI bad data, you get bad results. The Mimic 02 is just following its commands. The Mimic 01 virus is much more advanced, making it possible that perhaps the Mimic 02 learned from the Mimic 01. It makes sense because like you said, it would be ridiculous if the mimic was just arguing with itself to convince Cassie further, when she's already convinced that her friend is in danger.

[@thefrogthatknows5251]

I'm just going to posit one thing that nobody seems to be talking about... *MXES is a smiling purple rabbit that controls animatronics and exists only in the digital space. He repeatedly places digital rabbit icons all over and looms over you, even when he could directly attack (send someone to get you) while generally acting creepy. He also is generally antagonistic towards the Mimic and Cassie and is stationed near the Burntrap arena.* I'm not saying Glitchtrap, the other purple digital rabbit, is MXES, and therefore a manifestation of Afton, I'm just saying that it's real odd how MXES has the exact same abilities, behaviors, color scheme, and rabbit motif as him, while Mimic doesn't have any whatsoever.

[@purplegirlsrandomnesschann2284]

Hello meep *Funfact: Vanny was also cut down so much in Help Wanted 2 and there is references to the Mimic in it too but no longer*

[@profsrlojohn635]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds FNAF, especially current FNAF practically impossible to follow. Like, Pre-Help Wanted fnaf can be confusing and obtuse at points, but after the fact it’s pretty straightforward once the digging has been done. Post HW-fnaf is just… an incomprehensible mess, and it didn’t really have to be. And so much of it is due to Security Breach’s cuts, then the writers trying to do something with the peices anyway regardless of the fact the connective tissue is gone. I also wonder what *are* they trying to do eith Vanny and/or Vannessa. There’s so many mixed signals from the movie, to the games to subtext in the games it’s so infuriating not being able to make heads or tails of her as a character or her relation to other characters. Especially since… and I know it’s incredibly popular as a fanfic concept, but where are the other aftons circa SB? We know they’re doing… something with Elizabeth, even if it’s a replacement, but what about michael and the CC (if they even are an Afton)? What are their roles being filled by? Is gregory the new Michael?

[@eduardoaguero1220]

To quote a movie "Me? I'm Circus Baby parading as Moon, Disguised as Mystic Hippo while being inside the head of Vanessa." To think some random line like "What makes you so special." could become this turducken of lore, yesh. As always you did a great job Note!

[@the_bearer_of_truth00]

I haven't watched the video yet, but if you haven't seen them yet, I HIGHLY recommend you check out Dual Process Theory. They have an amazing "we solved fnaf" video and I genuinely think it recontextualizes our understanding of the lore that makes overall a lot of sense and I think it's a solid theory. Pretty much right off the bat they gave me similar vibes to your channel, I immediately was like "this feels like NotRealName NotAtAll" and I think it'd be cool to hear what you think about it!

[@shark6228]

This video was a fun watch and definitely hit a lot of points as to why I am stepping away from Fnaf. Lines like this only show how unnecessarily broke and complicated the lore has become that it isn't fun to solve it anymore

[@BotBartek]

26:24 - That little chuckle right there! It was so cute, definitly the best part of the vid. Made my entire day

[@zouipl6181]

I wish we had ANYTHING confirmed in games And I mean CONFIRMED not hinted or being an assumption I think it would really help them tell the story they want to Rn fnaf is kinda like a daycare: you have some broken toys (lore pieces), now play

[@tartra]

:O I didn't think you were going to make this particular vid so soon!

[@Cass0wary_399]

This is like the millionth time something broke the lore.

[@thatgamerthing9812]

The Mimic1 is likely an AI that learned from the Funtimes if it wasn't apart of them. In the Funtimes' blueprints, you can see that Foxy and Ballora were made to lure children/parents away for Freddy and Baby to kill them. It also learned about William's evil deeds, and eventually became Glitchtrap. It is the perfect example of "bad data, bad results", which is often said throughout Game Theory's videos on the issue between Glitchtrap and the Mimic. This is supported by the Endo Warehouse level in Help Wanted 2: by matching incorrect scenarios, you're teaching the endo bad data, which could result in casualties related to Fazbear Entertainment if gone unchecked. Helptrap is also this Mimic AI, making both Grimic and the AI the Mimic, but they aren't the same entity, explaining the line when MXES gets temporarily deleted. Another thing, throughout Help Wanted 2, the tips from Helpi on the screen (it is spelled with an "I", this is important) is spelled the same as Helpi in the Vanni network, connecting to Helptrap. Glitchtrap also appears multiple times throughout Help Wanted 2, which could be a coincidence, but those are fairly rare in the FNAF franchise, connecting Helpi, Helptrap, the Mimic, and Glitchtrap further. This is personally what I believe, and it could be wrong, but there is quite a bit of evidence on it.

[@blackdot105]

The main problem is that none of this was ever planned out, so any details that one might think could be important, is or was nothing at all.

[@minutemennews0]

I wasn’t expecting mimicseption 😅 awesome video

[@WatchThisSpace415]

Wow, you packed a lot of information in those 26 minutes. Well done on unpacking that web of connections, it's honestly made me reevaluate my own thoughts on this whole thing. You're probably right about the connections stemming from Circus Baby's role being repurposed but I think one of these pieces is not like the others. Although I can definitely see The Mimic being an evolution of some of the ideas around Eleanor, in execution, that endoskeleton is about as far removed from William, Baby or Vanny that you can get. Its AI is purely based on what it's observed and presumably because of this it seems to always be thinking in the present and dealing with its immediate situation. Its shape shifting doesn't rely on illusion discs or remnant, it can just violate the laws of physics to contort its body into whatever shapes its needs and is incredibly modular. The only real aspect of it that's tied to the supernatural is its desire to kill people it comes into contact with. I'll have to take another look at this tomorrow but for now I do wonder if The Mimic is just an attempt to move away from this complex web of connections with agony beings and William's lackeys to a more simple villain, maybe because of Security Breach's troubled development and large scope instead of a retcon or clarification of what Glitchtrap is.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

I love your videos, because they're not theories per se, they are mostly scalding criticisms of how this franchise treats its story and characters. Questioning is good. Critical thinking is good. We need more of that.

[@pizzastopstime]

Nothing to do with this video exactly but have you seen the video by Dual Process Theory? Tt's titled "we solved fnaf and we're Not Kidding." and it's a great theory for FNaF 1 to UCN and it seems to solve the lore, or at least the original lore lol. There are some wild claims in the video but as you watch it starts to all make sense. It's my favorite theory to date and I've been watching theories since MatPat's first FNaF theory

[@SkrunkyTheClown]

At this point in time, i see so many people mentioning all the plot holes and cut content from Security Breach and Ruin, that Scott and/or Steel Wool may as well just relaunch the game entirely but now entirely reworked with the same cut content now added into the mix The same goes for both Help Wanted games

[@felixmcscouty4587]

Honestly the line is VERY interesting to me. That line is repeated several times to the player, who, based on A Lot of evidence, is both Cassies dad and the bonnie mask kid in fnaf 4 (and, as i theorize, possibly Sammy, but thats my own theory with little evidence beyond 'i want Sammy to be important bc of lost potential'). Not only that, but from what ive gathered, im pretty sure cassies dad was the last employee in the pizzaplex besides Vanessa. Well, before he died to the (possessed) staffbots and became a maskbot. Honestly i believe the hw2 thing, in universe, is likely training. And honestly its just,, so interesting because... well, what DOES make him so special? Why would Glitchtrap and thus Vanny spare him and keep him alive for so long? Why would glitchtrap of all people CARE? What makes him so special? Imho its what confirms to me that glitchtrap is neither the mimic nor william, copy or not. Why would a mimicking ai program care for someone? Why would william care for one of the kids who was responsible for his own sons death? It brings a LOT of things into question. Granted pretty much everything about hw2 confirmed this to me, but that line by itself shakes up everything. Hw2 basically confirmed my insane theory of Michael being Glitchtrap, and everything that has come out since Ruin has too. It sounds like a crackpot theory, but theres MOUNTAINS of evidence. And it'd explain that very line too.

[@Lisa_Flowers]

You're biting sarcasm will never get old 😂 it's very refreshing amongst FNAF KZbinrs and fans alike. A lot of us take the lore real seriously, it deserves to be made fun of once in a while. Also I hardcore relate to 'reluctant clown' 😂

[@CheshireCatMystic]

Every time I hear Grimic I just think about that milk shake that was responsible for those mysterious disappearances some time ago. Coincidence? I think not!

[@Dawn_H.E.]

Idk if Vanessa is Afton’s daughter. Because she was most likely born 1997 (see Special Delivery her username is nessie97) and I’m sure Afton was springlocked by then. (She is also 23 in the game so this would put SD in 2020.)

[@Andy_the_Collector_]

Withered Freddy video, maybe? Possibly?🥲 WHY WON'T ANYONE LOVE HIM????😭😭😭

[@captainet2457]

Dude, I love his design. He needs more attention

[@Andy_the_Collector_]

@@captainet2457 Like, NOW.

[@StephDilimia]

He's not that lore important.

[@Andy_the_Collector_]

@@StephDilimia *Fuck you, Burns your lore*

[@captainet2457]

@@StephDilimia true. But, most characters aren’t lore important too

[@gabriellockwood2780]

“A cop, but back in the 90’s…” What? The movie happens in 2000~. (At least March or later) Vanessa in the movie is also about 22~24(?) [The novelization of the movie says she’s “about” 5 years or so YOUNGER than Mike, and Mike is around 25 or 26.]