Gearing and Des Moines Duo - World of Warships

[@JIMN_GG]

wow that thumbnail had me thinking a tier 8 italian destroyer was announced

[@jevinliu4658]

Yeah. Why the title?

[@KimbaIsHere]

There are many flaws to this is. First, it is too much like work and not fun for a variety of reasons. Second, you never chose your team and politeness is rarely found in chat. So if this is the only way to counter CVs then there will be less and less players playing DDs. Also, keep in mind, you play at a different level than others who play. The average player does not have the skill you have nor have the thousands of hours invested in playing each ship type. If anything, you are admitting that CVs are overpowered.

[@joedanker3267]

Hey Notser, Beatty_10 here, so glad you released this Repub vid today. I’m just getting into her and trying to figure out how and what makes her most effective. Last night I ran a 19pt capt tank and guns build and ran roughshod over the enemy, set a PR for damage and basically whooped holy ass with her- it was awesome and great fun. I chose the accuracy module upgrade over the secondary range mod bc 8 guns. And it felt great firing single-turret salvos even at range! Those shells went exactly where I wanted them to, quickly. Felt like I could reach out and touch any ship on the board. However, as a student of yours I’m really considering the tank secondary build you displayed here. I generally agree with most if not all your gameplay decisions and ideas. So I’m torn- I had the epic experience in Repub last night but feel like I might be missing out on the true potential of her as you’ve showed here. I love it though! It’s great to have these options and fun to work through them. Thanks for detailing this build and it’s strengths. I look forward to trying it out.

[@matthieucreff5834]

I love KZbin subtitles... « hey this is Nasser!! » 😅 love to watch your videos notser, thanks for the good work! :)

[@lordzortak]

Vanth here big guy. As a dd main I have been thinking along the lines of dd bump in randoms, practicing with random players, and some seem to get the strat. Saw in KOS event gearings would smoke for Woooooosters, often reversing in cap. Des moins would work better against heavies tho. I see a lot of patience in your play here, and need to drink less coffee in the morning =) Played the Kutuzov cause the double cv meta has left a bitter taste in my mouth whenever reaching for a dd. This vid really helps me to see the mindset that must be adopted to survive, and contribute to the team. Thanks for being one of the most influential mentors in the game, well for me at least. Love rpf and legendary on Gearing for clan battles, will switch to this build when the event is over to Manual AA. Also anything you could show further play on the Daring would be appreciated, starting to wrap my head around that boat but any help would be appreciated, thanks big guy.

[@Fubblin]

Another option is to grab Superintendent. You get an extra defensive fire for AA protection and the additional smoke can help you cap or allow you to execute strategies like you did in this game more often.

[@nebuias2008]

I always try to team of with a cruiser in my destroyers but it rarely works right because like you said, one must be disciplined.

[@invalidusername6809]

The name Italian job with us ships makes me very sad

[@roccaraso1771]

Same to me, and you know what makes me even more sad? That we are getting French DD’s before the Italian line of ships..... I swear after all this time wargaming owes us a entire year with only Italian ships being added (standard lines)

[@General_Rubenski]

@@roccaraso1771 The italian line of Ships is the only nation i'll keep everyone of, including Premiums

[@jevinliu4658]

@@roccaraso1771 Yeah. It is likely that they would have to stack Italian arcs after Italian arcs, which is absurd.

[@invalidusername6809]

Roccaraso I mean I was saying the video should be British ships but I understand your pain

[@thebes118]

I don't switch AA sides. Got enough to worry about. What do you mean leave it on in smoke? I cut it off so the planes do not see me. I quit using RL a long time ago. Too many points I could use elsewhere.

[@majgijoe]

thebes1 tracers for aa in smoke are randomly generated, so you can’t pinpoint the ship in smoke. Firing main battery in smoke, not so much.

[@admiralelojfudpucker5051]

AA mods in the captain skill tree seem to be mostly useless. Still see in dual CV in T10. WG has lost clue.

[@ThenVersusNow_]

Notser I love your optimism and willingness to take whatever happens. You love this game. The reality is over half the player base is not enjoying the game. A class that needs to be limited to one per side, is broken.

[@VuHien2011]

did you make a survey?

[@ThenVersusNow_]

@@VuHien2011 I was referring to the survey that close to 3000 took. I should have mentioned that. www.strawpoll.me/17702395/r

[@VuHien2011]

Interesting. I never heard of that survey. What was the question?

[@ThenVersusNow_]

​@@VuHien2011 www.strawpoll.me/17702395

[@majgijoe]

A straw poll made by anti-cv base, meant for anti-cv base. Yeah that’s really objective.

[@sgtrpcommand3778]

I did something similar with friends by matching DD with CL and that just seems to work really well.

[@AwesomeDragon]

8:57 when did CVs start flying?

[@TheB3stN4me3ver]

It's no longer the planes that you should be worried about, it is the giant aircraft carrier flying towards you at high speed.

[@nickzaytz5712]

Nice video, totally support team game! but... why is it called "The Italian Job"?

[@potatolord7774]

Nick Zaytsev look at his division mates name

[@nickzaytz5712]

@@potatolord7774 oh, I see) thanks)

[@midgarstrife914]

Torpedobeat confirmed :D

[@christopherborges7929]

Well, surprised I made it to KZbin, awesome, but also shit, that was a horrible match for me on the Amagi, lost half my health at the start XD Wasn't till the end that I noticed Notser was on the enemy team, sou, hi youtube XD

[@Lukos0036]

CVs force team play. Random Battles learned this already. If you're selfish you die and that is a good thing. Play as a team and CVs won't be an issue.

[@VuHien2011]

CVs prevent a DD to do the job it is designed for: spotting and capping. How are you supposed to spot if you have to stick with you team mates?

[@Lukos0036]

@@VuHien2011 DDs need cruisers and BBs to support them at the cap anyway so they don't get blapped out of existence by the opposing radar cruisers, so nothing in that respect really changes. I see a lot of thinly veiled excuses from DD mains putting all their woes on CVs now, but before the rework CVs were stronger, and it was radar they were bitching about. Planes or not being a DD is hard and the skill cap is high. Always has been. But you have the lowest surface detection and the highest dmg weapons in the game. Is it fair for BBs to simply vanish when they run into a wall of torpedoes they didn't know were there? Of course it's not.

[@VuHien2011]

@@Lukos0036 You can perfectly dodge torps if you stop going in a straight line with a BB or at least mitigate it greatly. it is almost impossible to dodge rockets and getting undetected by a CV. Good thing WG removed the RPF on planes.And for radars, I think it is fair not to have more than 3 per side too. And I'm a cruiser main, not a DD main. You did not address the fact that CVs prevent DDs from doing their second job which is spotting.

[@Lukos0036]

@@VuHien2011 Rockets do no appreciable damage since they were nerfed into the ground, it's the dive bombers you have to worry about. And you can mitigate detection by toggling your AA off. Use it only from smoke. Aircraft spotting range is far shorter than by surface ships, especially for rocket planes, which realistically is ass backwards. you have a greater chance of being spotted by other destroyers. You can layer your AA bubble with other DDs or CAs. There are ways to counter CVs. You just cant be selfish and stupid with them around. You have to play with other people like a team and not a loose gaggle of individuals. Guys like you and Notser bitching about carriers is why they cant secure kills that aren't already grievously wounded and alone. Carriers are in the game. That isn't going to change. Stop bitching and learn to counter them. Or better yet, play one and see what CV drivers have to deal with.

[@VuHien2011]

@@Lukos0036 I do play CV just for seeing the other side. I have absolutely no issue landing torps on BBs and even on cruisers with my UK torp bombers only after a dozen games.If I keep changing bomber types, I find out I never run out of planes. I also have no issue finding DDs. And I'm not bitching. I'm stating facts. It is just stupid to have a game in a game. How about having pac man in the game as well? This is called World of Warships, not World of Warplanes. Not even naval battles. Same with WOT, self propelled artillery by definition are not tanks. Why adding them to the game? Now, even add trucks and cars. No armor what so ever. Do they fit the definition of the word tank?

[@paoloamadori1663]

WOW that DM is amazing, I think he is the best player I have ever seen

[@ThePostie501]

That comment is "annoying" ;)

[@philstaples8122]

The CV rework pretty much killed this game for me, it's just not that much fun anymore and if it's not fun it's not worth my time...

[@ronniecason9807]

the harugumo isnt really a slouch with aa either

[@VuHien2011]

IJN gun boats have great AA if you compare with ships like Gearing if you do not use Def AA, but if you compare with a DD when Def AA is active, they are way behind.

[@SebaX92]

Notser what’s the difference between that audio setting speaker/headphones. Does it make any difference?

[@VuHien2011]

for him as a player or for the youtube video?

[@SebaX92]

@@VuHien2011 I don't know that's why I asked

[@VuHien2011]

@@SebaX92 I can at least answer your question for my computer: speaker setting outputs to the speakers. Headset setting outputs to the headset. If he has a mixer that mixes the sound from the game with his voice coming from a microphone, it would not make a difference. If he only has one microphone that record both his voice and the game sound coming out of his speakers, then obviously, there would be no game sound as a background noise if he only has one microphone. So, he must have a mixer.

[@daniellit99]

Hey Notser,i find it very suspicious that not a single cc speaks about the crap this last update has brought into the game,the 2 cvs games are really annoying and not only for dds.

[@randomamerican3287]

My two favorite ships!!

[@Nightrapture]

Hey Notser, don't you find annoying we need to turn off the AA every time we need to switch AA side? Can't it just stay with the status it has, instead of turning auto on? :\ I don't get why WG do not notice these "stupid" things, I don't think it's intentional, it seems just like they did not pay attention to it while developing and testing.

[@ThatAussieBloke1]

Shows that you need huge damage to have big influence on the outcome

[@roeldee5256]

What? Cricles dont have corners

[@KellyEastwood855]

I have an idea! Since about 90 % of WOWs players hate CVs, WG should give us the choice: an option in the menu, so we can decide if we wanna play with or without CVs in the game. I passionately hate CVs, they have no place in the game, so I want them to be removed for good. This option of choice would show how many players want to play with CVs and how many don't. I hate that 80% of the game above T7 is how to counter damn CVs and radar. You can handle radar, but CVs are out of sane gameplay. All those who wanna play warplanes, have a lot of options, ELSEWHERE!

[@ZGuy0fSci]

some level of Aircraft / CVs are needed for the game's balance. Issue being doing it wrong, and a lack of Manual AA. Doing it right and skill/player determined, it adds to the game. But this is WG. . . so yeah.......

[@ZGuy0fSci]

as is though, yeah. U-Boats have more of a place than that.... XD

[@smelly_elvis]

Gameplay sucks since carrier rework... Elvis had too much invested in this game to see WG screw it up.

[@ZGuy0fSci]

if _Manual AA_ was a thing and it ways a hybrid system, yeah...... so ofc it isn't / wasn't done that way. >_>

[@tomsbasement4884]

I put "contributing" into google translate and it came back "kill stealing" hmmmmm

[@Theenragedone]

There is no such thing as kill stealing.

[@VuHien2011]

@@Theenragedone That one is not a kill steal because nobody was killing the ship at that point. But I hate when I took all the risks and damages to grind down an enemy and while waiting for my last salvo to finish the enemy off, someone steals the kill. It is NOT kill secure because there was no way the enemy ship would have escaped me anyway.

[@Theenragedone]

Again there is no such thing as kill stealing.

[@VuHien2011]

@@Theenragedone you did not provide any rational explanation. You just repeat it like a mantra. Your argument is weak.

[@Theenragedone]

" You just repeat it like a mantra" It is the truth, not a mantra. You are perceiving things in my statement. Perception is not reality. I'm simply stating the truth. "Your argument is weak." It isn't an argument. There is no such thing as kill stealing. It's a fact. Let me know when Wargaming assigns specific ships to each player that are their ships to kill. Until they do, there is no such thing as kill stealing.

[@MrSoloun]

Yea the CV rework is the craziest thing ever, lets address a tiny number of the community and bugger the majority. Now it's 4 CV's per match as the norm, none is like one game every few days. CV's never seem to run out of planes, I wish my AA defenses could say the same. In a balanced game it usually comes down to 4 CV's and couple of us cruisers, maybe a BB, the CV's just keep coming and my HP is usually already down to less then 50%, my AA is badly damaged, I'm on the last charge of Def AA and Fighter with premium consumables, and the planes never stop, the come again and again until you're dead. So many games are now ending with the CV's and 1 other ship maybe. ALSO seeing as we see SO MANY CV's nowadays I would assume using WGing logic that they will be removed so more people can't get them? As per the Musashi and Krond BS? :) No? Ahh of course different rules for CV's :) Perhaps a new game mode is needed? Leave CV's in random, no worries, how about a new game mode called almost random, without any CV's. Let those of us who don't want CV's in game to be able to play without them.

[@jakehickox7275]

Dec 24- 2021 gg Merry Christmas!

[@SwankySpitfire]

We need more stupid builds ie: radar Mino, secondary Conq and more gun boat Shimakaze!

[@danh7411]

Secondary Yamato :D

[@SwankySpitfire]

Danh vn SPOTTER DES MOINES!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5KQfIiFgZ6AoNU

[@VuHien2011]

how is radar mino a stupid build? I found them extremely efficient at killing DDs and now, with all the radar ships around that cancel the purpose of smokes, switching a mino to a DD killer is a perfect choice.

[@SwankySpitfire]

VuHien2011 honestly Radar Mino isn’t a dumb build it’s just the more difficult one

[@Frake83]

noice!

[@TheDBall73]

hmm, this would be a fun game with a team, people I know and talk to. Thing is, all my gamer friends think this game is to slow... so I'm solo. :(

[@gyyv]

IMHO No on the MAA for the RLC.

[@techfusionaz2496]

Man I really dislike how WarGaming has done Destroyers. I miss the days where torpedoes were mostly your primary weapon and you don't have to use smoke for all your damage potential.

[@ZGuy0fSci]

that and "Overmatching" how it does vs skill mattering more than tiers, rip. But hey, why keep a game good when can be P2W mess of RNG.? XD (as it means they make more short-term profits at our expense) The Plebs and Casuals don't complain enough, and pay the most in, lulz

[@InternetDisciple]

03-2020 gg

[@chriswest7335]

Thats a typical gearing build? HMMM

[@honnorgaurd]

"theyre use to being able to 'rush' into a capture and cause a contestant either through smoke or torpedoes - thats what they're expecting".... yea heaven forbid DDs have to actually ADAPT and play smart like everyone else instead of being allowed to "yolo rush in" and do whatever the fuck they want.... this whole thing about DD's crying about CVs actually forcing them to use their damn heads is really getting old. I main a DD. It's one of my most used tier 10 ships i own. its not THAT hard nor does it make it not fun. you just cant be an idiot. I know thats what everyones use to getting away with but do you really want to go back to seeing 1/3rd of your god damn team being destroyers? there was a big reason you saw that consistently in the past because it was the 'easy mode'. id rather be trolled by planes than by a stealth torp spamming group of DD's any day. at least i can see the aircraft coming. DD's have long been so stupidly broken and overly influencing on battles its rediculous. A single destoyer can cripple an entire flank of enemy ships... I know because i do it all the time. I see a whole fleet pushing in and it just makes my mouth water as they became my new helpless "XP pinatas". and your gimmicky radar isnt going to do jack against me. NO other class, not even CVs, can boast that. no CV's cant. if you think so go try it. watch how much your 4k torps do against 4 ships barreling down on you without backup. now go watch a shima or even a gearing and how they handle an uncontested flank pushing in. All CV's are doing is forcing players to do what they shouldve been doing for a LONG time..... working TOGETHER as a TEAM

[@ZGuy0fSci]

yup.

[@chengyangzhou8785]

2nd

[@ZGuy0fSci]

It's good that Destroyers cannot solo-control the flow of games again....... and that CVs also have to deal with balance from AA zones that also are more able to be seen? issue perhaps being the boring lack of the old RTS of any kind and lack of fighters per the old system minus "strafing", perhaps, rather than a hybrid. Perhaps if were a hybrid system that had manual AA options for ships, and planes hit harder as trade for less hits likely but not deleting either, etc... Still, til they fix how Fires/DoT does in the game with underpowered "Healing" or a total lack of for being finite to offset fake damage and they fix "Overmatching" this fake magic thing that makes tiers way too important with a few things being too extreme.... mehs?