World of Warships - State of Game Frustration[Language]

[@d1ppr]

Unfortunately my experience of trying to help new players usually ends up with me being told to fuck off etc etc

[@Poxtor]

well did all the new players that told you to fuck off ask for your help ? i my experiance if you push your help on to people, well then the least you get is a "fuck off" ;) the problem in wow is that you got dungeon finder and raid finder, so there is no insentive to try to do better, in old days you dident invite people to groups who you know sucked at playing the game... but as notser says, the there will be less money to develop the game ;) so yea just ignore the "bad players" as my dad taught me "if you dont have anything positive to say, then dont say anything"

[@d1ppr]

Poxtor it usually follows when a low tier team mate try’s to torp you, that’s when I tend to offer a guiding hand I only hope it sinks in after an hour or two

[@outfit5103]

you could give a suggestion and its their choice to follow. They listen good they dont listen fine but the other extreme i also not helping. if they wont take it leave it at that its simple.

[@d1ppr]

Jeffrey oh yes we do that I’ve tried it all ways but it’s like even though every ship is a person your only really a bot in their minds. People just seem to take it as a slur no matter how you put it. What really makes my blood boil is when they toro you and don’t apologise (being middle age and British I find that really hard to deal with) 😊

[@lockedon8953]

Not to be an ass but in my experience new players tend to take constructive criticism as an elitist approach or just being an ass.

[@Fiodor0]

Watch Flamu stream. You can learn soo many new insults from him, its insane.

[@ronverheijen5407]

Spot-on - BTW I watched some of his older stuff on KZbin, and much better, actually explaining things without all the cursing.

[@Tricerius]

Nah, his YT has always been more potable and informative than his Twitch. I guess it's easier to stay collected when you aren't in the moment. But yeah, if you want *actually* informative stuff, either watch his YT vids or tune in for his comp broadcasts. Those are really good. Otherwise, your average Twitch is mainly for entertainment purposes.

[@Cirux321]

Seen some of them. Makes SirFoch look like a saint and Foch holds nothing back, never has.

[@mwnciboo]

Kuckoo Never insult the ice man...Kimi is a F1 legend, Flamu is some KZbin bellend.

[@dlegofan]

Honestly I never had any problems with this community in two years. In fact, I was quite surprised by how helpful many players were to me in the past, and I try to do the same whenever I play lower tiers. Sometimes we all get angry (like when a Derzki tries to torp a BB 10km away while you're in the way 2km away), but that's just normal. I remember the forth ranked season, which was my first season, and I only had my Independence and my Ranger most of the time, yet I did pretty well and was often complimented by my performance. It's so rare for me to face any toxicity that when I do it usually ends up being quite hilarious (like one time when I shot a broadside Mogami in my Amagi over an island, and the guy started accusing me of hacking. Even my teammates defended me, but I didn't even care, I was just laughing my ass off). As time went on, and I progressed further and further, I realized that my knowledge of the game mechanics was not advanced enough for higher tiers, so I started to see more competitive stuff, and ended up in Flamu's channel (say what you will about him being a douche sometimes, but he at least understand the game. I don't always agree with his thoughts, but 95% of the time they're pretty spot on and helped me to go from a 50% win rate up to a 55% percent in around a year). So, in my experience, the community always helped me to improve and become a good player. No community is free of toxicity, but this one at least has a large amount of kind players to compensate.

[@dylanwight5764]

There's nothing more frustrating than getting torped by a friendly. There's nothing more infuriating than getting torped by a friendly _who should know better_. A derzki giving you a dose of surprise butt sex is annoying, but it's something you can quickly and calmly address in chat, and doing so will help out the new community member trying out destroyers for the first time. But there is _no excuse_ for an Ognevoi doing the same thing.

[@jdgang70]

Best rant ever. You are 100% correct.

[@torbjorn77]

I totaly agree, Notser is spot on..

[@thedaijal]

Yes, absolutely correct. Sitting safely behind a screen people say things they wouldn’t dare say face to face. But their comments are a reflection on themselves, not those they are flaming. At my age Ive heard it all, and I don’t really care about their opinions.

[@simonjones9157]

well although I agree with much of it I also live in the real world..some people are nasty and rude some just get annoyed or frustrated and say unpleasant things they probably shouldn't or wouldn't to a persons face, but lets face a fact it happens in all aspects of life and always has ..the internet in general is renowned for it ..trolls never existed before the internet...but as is pointed out above u ether thicken ur skin and ignore it or cry and don't play or get involved . living in a world were everyone is just nice to each other and always pleasant is fairly land idiot talk sorry to burst the bubble ...moaning and making KZbin vids about it wont change it a spec.

[@fendelphi]

@MegaRaven100: Well said. Noone asks everyone to be a boyscout, but there is no need to be a complete dreg either. If people has nothing good to say, dont say anything.

[@AR_119]

Honestly I just gained so much respect for you for coming out and saying what we are all already thinking. I stopped playing wows all together because of these same issues and it ruined everything.

[@SeaRaptor]

Thanks for this, Notser. One of the reasons I've put so much time and effort into the wiki is because the community needs a resource that helps players unfamiliar with the game educate themselves. It's not perfect - the gunnery and aerial combat pages still need a re-write - but we've come a long way with individual ship pages and trying to demystify things like how fire and flood chance are calculated. They may be small things, but I feel like you do: knowledge is meant to be shared. We get a lot of crap on reddit for some of the skill recommendations we make for some ships, but the reality is that the wiki staff decided a long time ago not to tell people how to play a ship - it's their job to figure that out for themselves - but to make recommendations based on how they might want to fit it out (i.e. if you want to do AA you go this route, if you want a torp boat you do this, etc.). Anyhow, good rant and thanks for sharing your thoughts as always.

[@83cable]

My fave feature of world of tanks was being able to disable chat. Warships needs this. The normal comes buttons are enough to communicate what to do.

[@Tinywars]

Totally agree.

[@Diggerless]

Impavide you can disable individuals from chat. I tend to leave chat to its own devices as reading the toxicity you learn about the players for future battles that evening! :)

[@Tinywars]

I wish I had the ability to do that. There comes a point where you just want them to shut up.

[@Toadfish7]

Impavide I hope they don’t totally remove all chat however, because I enjoy complimenting the enemy sometimes

[@jordanrea2311]

if you down load aslains mod pack there is a mod that disables chat completely and it does work

[@mletrout7942]

Yesterday I watched a URPeacekeeper vid (How to Akatsuki, I believe) and at the beginning of his random game URPeacekeeper sent "GLHF" out to both teams. Someone on the red team replied "GLHF is for F*tards" ...That pretty much sums up what's wrong with a minority of the player base, but they are precisely that: the minority, and only vocal because they are safely anonymous and won't get punched in the face like they did that time back in fifth grade. Most of the players, in my experience, are reasonably friendly, surprisingly patient, and just as frustrated as me when it comes to MM, RNG, and the inability of that one BB to push hard into the cap when we really need him.

[@ussxrequin]

Emily Trout You. I like you.

[@pauliuss2254]

Love your rants Notser, they're ALWAYS on point... GJ man.., hope you've been heard by WG

[@user_23165]

As someone very nicely said: "Internet gave the possibility for every drunk idiot to spew out it's stupidity worldwide, while previously being limited to his table in his bar". The anonymity given by internet allowed humans to act completely different and be much more aggressive than they would do it in a face to face situation.

[@battlement]

I remember I picked up a Saipan because I wanted to try aircraft carriers for the first time, and I didn't have time to grind my way up (family comes first). My very first game I died very quickly and I realized that I should stick with the fleet rather then trying to hide in a corner of the map. Lesson learned, however one player took it on themselves to privately message me to tell me I much I suck and that I should uninstall the game. It was my very first random game and I was still trying to understand the mechanics of manually controlling my aircraft and drops. No one really offered any help. Soon after I subscribed to Notser because unlike the general community, he was willing to share his knowledge on how to play better. I wish more people in the community were like him. BTW Thanks for the great videos Notser! They really do help new players like myself.

[@mammothmk3355]

Battlement I think you should also watch Flamu vid, because his analysis tend to be very in depth. Just be aware, Flamu is a very, very good WoWS player, but he also have a very.... elitist altitude. ;)

[@Dragonchakala]

Why didnät you watch a tutorial or something first? I have seen many enterprise wallet warriors in the past few days and I make it very clear to them to go play lower tier or bots first.

[@globalforce]

Battlement It's a team game. And carriers are the MOST important component of that team. So if you want to jump in with no experience and ruin everyone else's game, just know NO ONE is obliged to sacrifice their gaming time help you succeed. See, most americans think that just because "it's a game" that it's okay to be a burden to others and screw around. The thing is, most people have lives. They have a limited time to enjoy things. So when you act like everyone elses' time can take a second chair to your selfish laziness, and complain about how someone got upset with you without even realizing that you've just fucked somebody over, you just don't get any sympathy from me.

[@dcpetemoss]

It's possible that he didn't even know to do this. There isn't a lot of information on how to start from scratch, and the training room isn't even available by default. I think that there is a lot WG could do to help teach new players and get them up to speed on game mechanics. Relying on CCs isn't the way to go. The fact that you can buy a premium ship without having played a single game is a major issue. I get that WG wants to make money, but it doesn't benefit anyone if a new player can buy a Kaga or Saipan.

[@battlement]

@Nikolaevna. I totally forgot about co-op mode. But I agree I should have started out with that first.

[@Lemonjellow]

This, Sir, is why I watch your channel and basically ignore everyone else, just shy of Stuntman's stat previews... I've been gaming online for over 20 years now and I haven't learned everything, but I have learned one thing... IF YOU ARE NOT ENJOYING YOURSELF AND HAVING FUN, step away and find something else to do, then come back later when you are CALM... My personal motto in life is; "Life is too short to waste my time being rude..." Too many players have forgotten this and they go to assign blame to everyone, but themselves, for why they are not enjoying their game... Just like all I want to win games, and do it a lot, but honestly if I cannot find fun in a loss or two I need to go do something else because losing is life's way of teaching... The first Pre-human to try and catch the pretty yellow orange thingy devouring a stick and got burnt by it learned, don't grab the fire... Did his hand hurt for a while, Fuck yeah, but I bet he didn't do it again, or a whole lot more again... Just like when I was a kid in the 80's and destroyed the new linoleum in the kitchen by knocking the 400lb J.C. Penny microwave off of the 20lb tv stand it sat on... I didn't sit down for two days, but you know what... I never went near that microwave again without remember that learning experience... Also I never walked across that nifty rug under the table hiding the huge gouges int he floor without forgetting either... We make mistakes, we hopefully learn from those mistakes, and we shouldn't berate others for making mistakes as well... We need to help them... It is their choice to learn form that... If their response is salty, or none respecful, well so be it, you tried... Life is too short to be rude, just go about your day and let them be...

[@dimitrisoikonomou3568]

I guess i couldnt find a worst period to start this game...every community contributor of youtuber sais the same....from a greedy/lying company,to a toxic player base...i play like two months and my highest tier ship is 7,but i get MMed against t9s all the time!How are the "elites" and developers of this game think we are going to get better when we get matchmade with better ships and tier abuse is the easiest thing to do in a high tier ship? Its not just that the ships just get more HP, AA and better guns, THEY GET BETTER ACCURACY TOO(dispersion/sigma)!! How a newbe like myself can kill a iowa in a gneisenau??? How i can kill an Amagi in a New Mexico???Yes i am not perfect in aiming but when i get shatters or 0 dmg penetrations i just want to close the game and something else. This game is not newcomer friendly and the worst thing is the Matchmaking imo,making it 1tier lower/higher is something that you can deal imo (ship-wise at least). Just jump to warplanes if you play it and immagine being in a zero and facing a jet fighter,are you gonna have fun? No you wont(even though plane tier matters less in WoWP compared to ship tier in WoWs). Most youtubers dont have up to date videos teaching how to aim or how to launch torps or why to go to b or camp behind which island and why.... For the majority of player base it just a game that we will never get good at (or at least decent) and it is sad because in its base its a very well made game... :(

[@aurelian3268]

EXACTLY thanks brother finally someone with some fucking sense. these brilliant CCs never thought of these cause they dont give a fuck, they have fucking 70% winrates. The mm is why i chose to leave WoWs aside and chose WoWp solely because of the fantastic match making. you never feel under powered or overpowered. its just a fantastic plus minus 1 mm system. tell me how its fun to play constantly against tier 7s armed with fucking 406mm monster guns using a ship that has no armour, cant over match or cant tank incoming shells. once i got to tier 9 i got this plus minus one desired match making but how many people will earn that much fucking xp feeling underpowered. the games are fucking 20 minutes and imagine the time investments you have to put in this game. I love WoWp and believe me I got to tier 7 in one week

[@AloneIStand454]

Unfortunately, Notser is like a unicorn. A player that plays well and makes tutorials on how to help. A lot of the good players with 60%+ win rates are toxic as shit. Most of the ones who talk a lot on the forums are good to go but a lot of the ones you just play with in the game and the few who use the forums are always talking shit and making some asshole oh fuck the weekend players are here bullshit post and don’t give any good advice other than get gud.

[@jamarico16]

I play this game from ALPHA so maybe 2 years ? Hmm I don’t remember but anyway I can call my self a veteran of WoW but last 2 months I stop playing this game because it’s just a frustration like Notser say.. all it’s worst now and I don’t found more the enjoy like at beginning .. they change the game in a way I really don’t like it more

[@Aever]

Quick and painful answer, without any intention of being mean, you're not supposed to win a fight against a tier 9 BB. Not at the start of a battle anyway, when everyone is full HP. My advice, sit back for the first half of the game, follow the high tier BBs in your team and help them as much as possible w/o taking risks. Don't engage unless you're sure you can disengage fast (run out of detection range or hide behind a island). Look for opportunities, open flanks or enemies w/o escorts and exploit them as much as possible. The Gneisenau is a good ship, but fragile. What comes next is a lot tougher and you will stand a much better chance against higher tiers. You're still at a disadvantage, but you're not going to be deleted all so often.

[@Kenjis9965]

Unfortunately.. You're not supposed to win that type of engagement. It's certainly possible to, but not early game or 1v1. I've beaten Iowa to death with my Scarnhorst broadside at close range (got multiple citadels. He was salty) best advice is stick with friends or go after other targets. Target cruisers over Bbs who you can easily put the hurt on. Carriers are the worst as notser said with the min max shit and some ships having completely overpowered aa not to mention being unable to tell sometimes until its too late if, and what you're losing your planes to. And if you're bottom tier? Your planes are likely dead before you can drop torps.

[@dominik3551]

I saw often enough people in DDs or Battleships at the A line torping at the other side of the Map just because there is a enemy battleship. And when i see this i try to tell them that his torps have a maximum range of 8km or so .... the best answer i had was "Oh really Thank you Noob" the others answers where only shit like " STFU you moron" or other "nice" things. When you want to be nice you just get fucked in the arse...

[@crucisnh]

Exactly. You can offer your advice as nicely and civilly as humanly possible, and then it's a crap shoot whether the person you're giving the advice to is willing to listen or tell you to STFU. I've had plenty of both, and quite honestly have lost most of my patience and willingness to be helpful. Thus, if anything ruins the community's willingness to help newbies, it's not so much the elitists (who I also dislike). It's the newbie jerks who think that they're god's gift to computer games.

[@fendelphi]

Unfortunately, there is nothing else to do than keep trying. A thing to consider. While the person you talked to might not respond well to your help, other players on your team(who might also be rookies) might learn from the info you provided(even if it is not aimed at them), and so might not do the same mistake when they eventually play a ship with torpedo armaments. The more information which is shared in a positive tone, the more likely someone will respond well too it. It is tiresome(extremely so), but it is the only way. Another thing is to create positive reinforcement every time someone does something good. Like, when your allies sink a ship, quickly type. "nice shot" or "good job". By creating a positive tone through out the match, people are more likely to respond positively as well when you give them advice. A bit of humour early on can also help lighten the mood before the match start for real(before the shooting start). Pirate humour and dad jokes(non-offensive) seems to work well and usually get a positive responses from someone. Unfortunately, people easily get used to the only communication being "you suck", so when someone is actually trying to give them helpful advice, they see it as sarcasm. Bad vibes bring bad vibes, and good ones bring good vibes. And people take time to adjust.

[@PhantomXT]

^ This guy speaks truth!

[@Kiwi_Voodoo]

yeah you cant read the game chat cos its all lil squares ahhahahahah SEA ftw

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

I'll quickly reiterate what I said in another post. There are all types of people. From 'arrogant elites' to the 'unwilling .' What you see depends on you own perception which our brains are good at ignoring things that don't fit our views. Unless we have statistics, its just stuff we see people say. it can be merely a vocal majority, or because most people play at mid tiers.... The loud obnoxious people that are in tier 1 and 10 are ignored desptie potentially more numerous for example. So personal experience is not very relevant to anything for both Noster and everyone else claiming otherwise. it all comes down to that there is a problem, even if it is statistically minor one. A good start to a battle I noticed is usually a greeting, good luck and some humor with both side of the team. I never notice any negative comments during a battle when some positive things are said in the start. As I mentioned on the first part, this may be entirely false or it can be true. However why not be positive? No reason to be rude just because others are, be the better person. Also continuing to be reasonable and nice can also help de-escalate a situation that would of otherwise been a flame war. I'll just say that man of what fendelphi says is really true, complimenting others before correcting can really help. You set them in for a good mood but tells them that there is an area that can be even better. Do this for not only in 'team' chat but 'all' chat. The other team can use some positive communications too. Sorry, thanks and GG is basic manners and its no different rather it is online or offline. Also, there are a lot of people that don't say a thing but read the chat. they can laugh and learn or also feel angry at stuff said in chat. Some unresponsive people also might not notice what you said and is not being rebellious. Though doesn't hurt to correct them or warn them. That information might not help the guy targeted but can help or alert others.

[@danielholland2317]

I am guessing this rage is directed at NA community

[@RonF.]

I assume it is the PT server. that is a single server with players from all over the world, not just NA or EU, or or or

[@pr0skis]

it's just that time of the month for Notser

[@jason7758]

Thank you Notser, you're the guy us players who wanna have fun look to represent us.

[@SFCgunny]

Yeah...here's the thing though. You are apparently very unfamiliar with the history of Wargaming. World of Tanks is now, and always has been a very toxic community, and you know what...it still pulls 100K players on the EU server ever fucking night. It's not just this game, it is ALL online multi-player games that suffer from this elitism and toxicity. It is the current generation of teens and 20-somethings with no social skills who think their game performance and statistics somehow relate to their personal sense of self worth...it's quite pathetic, but it is what it is.

[@wesley_b]

Here here

[@outfit5103]

Its called keyboard warriors. And venting frustration which will only make you more frustrated. The best response would be to ignore it and move on or to stop. but next to no one does that unfortunately.

[@mirasolovklose3888]

You sir have nailed the horse!

[@jojodivas9211]

Jeffrey move on or to stop? I prefer them to change their minds and have different point of view. It’s their own fault that a bad community has existed, and not only on this game.

[@joedanker3267]

Notser says the problem is in all MMO games, not just Warships. Did you listen to the whole thing?

[@DaiKurome]

I used to play wows a little bit. Quited after 15-20 battles because i got called an idiot alot as i was learning how to play the game. Now after more then 6 months i was thinking to give it another go and i played my tier 3 Nassau, still i made alot of mistakes but slowely learning. My first game i was called an idiot again and i dont even know what i did wrong. No explanation at all. I was just going with 3 other ppl to one side but because my ship was alot slower then the other ones i couldn´t keep up. So by the time i got there the 3 ppl died pretty fast. So i decided to go to the other side to help my other team mates, no way i could go against 4-5 enemy ships. I almost joined up with the others and suddenly someone in chat called me an idiot and that i needed to learn to play.(it wasnt one of the 3 ppl) That was my first game after many months... Such a big welcome back. :-)Now i will just enjoy the game and not read chat alot anymore.

[@21LoDown]

That is why I play world of warplanes more now because I play more with bots and they are nice. 😂

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

"Your mother was a valve radio!" :p

[@Panza1965]

WoWS co-op can be relaxing tiers V-VII

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Not if you play the Emerald, they're not! I have seen some fantastic games in that ship and had one or two myself, but they seem to be the exception to the rule. Currently at that painful British T5 CL and grinding my slow way up. So for me, yeah, relaxing is Tier 1 or 2. Sealclubbing? Maybe, but I live in Canada and we do that sort of shit here. :p

[@21LoDown]

jsm666 eh! Canada! The very reason I only play mostly low tiers now esp dd is just for giggles. I haven't touched any of my ships t7 and up. High tier gameplay is very passive and chat is all but nice. 😂 If I'm not mistaken one of my German dd and faragut are still 98% win rate.

[@paulofferman8538]

I too play Warplanes more now. It seems that Wargaming doesn't care about making the game fun or balanced. They care about making it about their OP Russian ships and having as much smoke as they can fit on a map

[@sg_dan]

That "Who fucking cares?!" was so sincere it was cleansing tbh

[@LuJia84]

Come play on SEA, the community is a lot more chill here.

[@Tzunamii777]

What is SEA?

[@Panza1965]

SEA is chill. NA the "advice" starts at tier II. Never played EU but watching Flamu and Stuntman on KZbin i can't imagine it's very friendly there

[@huichuanyang8105]

south east asia

[@pr0skis]

SEA is fucking AIDS. High tier is filled with fucking retards

[@Tzunamii777]

Thank you.

[@TheKeulinchen]

Thanks Notser, for these veery true words. Hoperfully we manage the turn.

[@scousersuk]

Thank goodness you talked about this I quit wow because I got sick of seeing "whats your WR" and this type of shit all the time from a certain CC....flamu......I just got sick of the stress at getting some minimum WR and damage numbers to feel like I am playing "correctly" so I just gave up which is sad seeing as I spent a lot of time and money in it

[@danielzoller6911]

I love it when people talk about my under 50% WR. Since I play about 25-35% of my games at the firehouse where I work, on crappy wifi none the less, and have to get up and just leave when the bells ring I found that not giving a single fuck about my WR makes the game better for me.

[@globalforce]

Daniel Zoller Just know that you're hurting others' gaming experience by doing that. I mean, you're a fireman, so you can do whatever the fuck you want--but if you weren't, that's a shitty thing to do in a team game.

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Your username needs to be "Fireman on call" or something like that, so nobody in their right mind will give a fuck if you go AFK.

[@scousersuk]

I can understand your view if I did REALLY stupid things I will accept a slap in the face but you know just because you dont get X amount of damage or have an account with 60%+ WR doesn't mean you should be shit talked to in game for a little mistake or something :D

[@Testacabeza]

That is the wrong way to express a good idea. You are not a nice person when you do this.

[@Tzunamii777]

I've been playing off and on since closed beta, and the things you describe is the OFF button for me when it gets too much. I'm an avg player with just over 1k random games, and the only chance I really have to communicate with other players, is during a match, when the heat is on. Chat channels would give an opportunity for growing players, like me, to talk to the more experienced players, and give Them a chance to teach map tactics, and perhaps bring us together to play and learn. My 2c. PS. I've been a US Cruiser main with an AA build since Beta, and am thrilled any time CVs are in a match.

[@chnghemeng2845]

I personally think that those who play ships with the hardest build and do well are those players who are truely skilled

[@Gibbysaurio]

You, I like you.

[@outfit5103]

I disagree being skilled is being able to bring the most out of any ship and play every ship to its strenths and weakneses. But also how observant you are and knowing what to do in what situation. The more of this that you have the better you are in the harder to play ships and harder to play builds.

[@tony6834-h6h]

IT TAKES TIME

[@hidalgohouse3815]

The reason I never got into World of Tanks was due to the hostile community in both the game and forums. No fun in that. I play games to de stress not add more.

[@3MTA3114]

i feel ya Notser... im also tired of people abusing the report function just because in their mind you played poorly. usually the first one to yolo and die blames team and spams the report button. :\

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

That's stupid because I've seen enough games in which people Yolo and LIVE that I know if I stick my neck on the chopping block I'd better be damn good or the other side is going to wipe the floor with me. Nobody to blame except them, and it's their job to start with.

[@dcpetemoss]

I remember seeing a video in which Jingles was discussing the results of a particular game, and he was using the compliments feature for his teammates. I bet people would have a much better gaming experience if they also thought of the times that their teammates weren't awful. I find it a bit of a bummer when I have a great game and help out the team, but don't get a compliment later.

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Yeah, but Jingles is in his forties, I think, and inclined to be a bit more mature than your average hardcore gamer, all else being equal. I try to deliver compliments where I can, but there are only so many you can give out in a day. Trying to do it in chat during a battle can get you killed, and sometimes the hectic action which demands all your attention just to stay alive only ends when the game does.

[@3MTA3114]

i wait til the end of the game to compliment. i get why there is a limit on reports, but why on compliments??

[@cobrazax]

i get reported a lot...for being top xp BY FAR. im used to that crap. however i will report the team hampers myself...there are so many idiot players that STILL do ultra stupid things at high tiers even when they are very experienced. they dont even want to listen to advice.

[@Gunny1Highway]

Why there are no submarine?

[@killman369547]

no way to balance a submarine in a warship game. submariners have an old saying, "there are only two kinds of vessels, submarines, and targets" and that is a very true saying.

[@chnghemeng2845]

GG Noster CC status

[@davidross3877]

I have learned a lot from your streams. Thank you Notser

[@keeganevans6583]

From reading about this it seems a lot of hate is aimed at flamu. Is there something I missed like did some drama go down that I missed? AFAIK he's always been like that and it's nothing new. And he's not the only one... I get notsers point like you shouldn't be an outright asshole to people but as far as I can tell he doesn't just go out of his way to shit on people. If someone does some dumb shit in game (ie fire torps behind allies) you will have plenty of people to inform them of their mistake. Some people do it in more constructive ways than others but the point is that person should learn their lesson. And you can't expect everyone to be all "it's ok that you sunk your teammate, buddy don't friendly fire next time :)". You're gonna get flak. Don't take it personally. Improve and move on.

[@OperationalError]

keegan evans What you are seeing is the result of the "polite" CCs venting their rage (the same rage the "rude" CCs have). Instead of directing it at bad play and thus bad players, they bemoan the "toxic playerbase" so they can retain their "polite" status and still get to vent. Flamu recognizes the pointlessness of that and is quite well known to engage in the "rude" style... so the "polites", instead of bitching at the bad players that ruin their individual games, bitch about a well known good player that is well known to bitch at bad players who ruin their games.

[@dylanwight5764]

If you get torped by friendly a Strohozevoi, you can chalk it up to player inexperience and politely address it in chat. Frustrating, but it wasn't due to incompetence, just inexperience. However, if the same thing happens with an Ognevoi who didn't check their position, then by all means go ham in chat. That's sheer incompetence and it needs to be addressed as such.

[@alexanderflynn8270]

The language videos by Notser are the best. Also I completely agree.

[@BSimon-bu1kx]

I guess what really annoys me is how easy this game has become to access for new players. I've been playing Wows for almost two years now, and i distinctly remember buying my first premium (arizona i think) and getting wrecked every single time, just because I didnt know the game mechanics (angling, which ammo to use, positioning etc). Nowadays it seems to me like the branches that are being introduced are being less and less skill-based (yes I'm thinking of you RN BBs, why even learn how to use ap if you do as much if not more dmg with HE anyway, why angle if you can repair 40% of the ship in like 20 sec anyway, why position yourself well if you have 12km concealment anyway etc etc). These players just jump in and have the exact same chances as a seasoned player. Also, when put into some more skillfull hands, ships of these branches become outright broken (conqueror)

[@JJ-cx6ro]

I always love to see the [Language] in the title, because you know you're serious

[@Tinywars]

Flamu is king when it comes to shit talking. I've been in games where he gets wiped out before everyone else but you never see those videos on his channel. He really is a problem in this game. WG could help themselves by allowing us to turn chat off. Simples.

[@jfw6888]

I made the same experience with Flamu. I met him in a game, the whole team went to two caps but he decided to go alone for a cap. He died very early and stayed for almost five minutes in the game to blame the team. Of course you never see these kinds of game on his channel so he mediates the appearence that he never makes mistakes. In addition he often looks down to worse players (potatoes) and laughs at their mistakes. That is poison for the community. Honestly I still watch him because I like his ship reviews. But on the other hand he acts like a very arrogant player and isn't a good role model for the community. Greetings from Germany

[@abanichdoch8318]

Getting rid of chat would be so cool.

[@baldwintheleper]

There's a mod that removes chat, I believe

[@Tricerius]

He's not going to pick a game where he got deleted early, because if he got deleted early, then there is not much to show about the strengths/weaknesses of the ship he's covering. Nevermind that there would be not enough video length to cram in all the information about the ship. Plus, that's what stats are for. Everyone can have shitty games. Everyone can have great games. What determines whether you're good or not is the *consistency* with which you have those great/shit games. That's what it comes down to, really.

[@petiertje]

I agree, Only reason i watch his vids every now and then is because he ís a skilled player and has some good tips and tricks. I really don't like the way he treated people that are less skilled. he sails in to another ship? it's the other players fault, even though he hits the other ships from the back and opposite direction of where the guns are facing.. how on earth is that the other players fault, he didn't pay attention, just accept that. it's those kind of moments that keep me from subscribing to his channel. His personality, or at least how he presents himself, is not an example you want new players to follow imo. Notser on the other hand, is a nice person and is alway's thinking on how to improve the game(experience) for everyone, not only the 0.5% of extremely skilled players. And also, i can't agree more with what he said in this video sadly, wish it was different.

[@Scarheart76]

I'm a very helpful person. One of my most recent matches (playing Tier V), an enemy cruiser stopped in the middle of the water, far from cover, started reversing, only to go from 75% health to dead in one salvo from me. Right after he died, I told him (politely) to never, never, never stop in the middle of the water broadside to a battleship. One of my teammates quickly accused me of giving away trade secrets.

[@alexs7155]

If someone gets to tier IX-X and does not understand the basic fundamentals of the game and how to play their selected ship type they deserve to be flamed in chat

[@komradeklutch6215]

Notser, you are completely right. Alot of people (myself included) play F2P games like World of Warships that don't have as much time to game as the average player and we shouldn't be accosting people from the game, we should be welcoming them to help the community grow. So sure, I buy a few premiums or throw some money at Free XP because I spend my time working and having a family but would still like to play the content for a game I enjoy at all levels. I try to keep up with what's best while also playing ships that I enjoy, but it's not always easy going, so I appreciate you sticking up for all of us that try to enjoy a game that we like to play. NOTSER FOR PREZ 2020!

[@craigsaunders3532]

Notser you are a fucking hero dude. I feel ya pain. Flamu is a Helmet. Only watch Notsers Vids cause he's real. Fuck flamu and his 19 point captains

[@mletrout7942]

The desire to win and the desire to have fun are not mutually exclusive, and the challenge of success is inherent in the design of any healthy competition. When the desire to win is excessive, when having fun is absolutely dependent upon winning, that is when the game becomes unhealthy.

[@agnaaiu]

I tried so often, and still do, to explain to potatoes why something is bad gameplay and why this will cost us the match. I even bother and go the extra mile to explain in detail what goes wrong and how the enemy team will win now. In 90% of the cases i'm right but what do i hear from potato teammates when i explain to them their fault? I get a nice 'fuck you, i play how i want to play and nobody tell me what to do'. So much for learning from mistakes, so much for teamplay, so much for 'be nice to potatoes'. There are tons of really bad players that are unwilling to learn and improve, it would be best if they leave the game, because they destroy the game as much, if not more, than so called toxic elitists, although they only speak the truth.

[@tdbraun6837]

Yes, but only in competitive leagues or clan battles should you be expecting good quality play from your team mates. Random battles has always been a mixture of player skills -- and is the only place a new player can go to learn by playing against opponents who are better than them. We don't want them to leave the game; we want them to improve, as we all had to do early on. I think Wargaming, and community contributors, could do a better job helping newcomers to learn from their mistakes. I played a couple thousand games before I stumbled across Notser's helpful video on how to aim, for example. I was doing it wrong. I got better right away. Make stuff like that more accessible. For a while WOWS had videos discussing each map in the game and what the strategies should be for each side. That was good; they stopped doing it.

[@globalforce]

A thousand times this.

[@kamelionify]

Do you think it helps by referring to them as potatoes? Just shows to me the scorn you have for lesser skilled/experienced players.

[@dcpetemoss]

Maybe players would be more responsive in a post-game message rather than the in-game chat feature. I've had some decent conversations with players this way. I think everyone just gets really mad while the game is going on.

[@globalforce]

Neil Birchall TRIGGERED

[@chaosen2664]

Notser thank for this video, I have had two friends quit this game because of the very reasons you talked of, I just WISH Wargaming would listen - IF I could I would give this video 10,000 Thumbs up - Chaos_En2 - Commander of the Old Salty Dogs Clan.

[@PlunderMyBooty]

This is kinda sad coming from you. Is the community toxic, ya. But balancing to the lowest common potato is NOT the way to solve it. Should there be more viable builds, sure. No problem there. But there are always going to be builds that don't make sense. Things like SE on GK are a pretty good indication that your shit/new. And truthfully, you just have to sit back and laugh at those people then politely tell them that's not good. As for "[taking] away the elites ability to hold knowledge over others"... FUCK THAT. You think that a player with say 5k+ battles shouldn't have an intellectual advantage over a a 1K battles player? Then your basically claiming there should be absolutely no learning curve. Congrats, you've taken away almost every mechanic. Angling, nope. Citadels, nope. Map positioning, nope. It's up to the CCs and WG to help new players and both have failed pretty spectacularly. You have CCs like Zoup who give outright factually incorrect information. Not to mention WG doesn't even have a proper video/in-game tutorial. If you want to work towards fixing this problem, it starts with you and the other CCs growing a spine and standing up to WG.

[@brewpackbuckfan6756]

Spot on brother! I'm 50 years old, started with beta, love getting called all the names when some one dies two minutes in battle because I went to the wrong cap or the wrong place on the map. Three of my mates started in beta and only I'm left. I spend $200+ a year on the game but starting to get feed up. Love your videos watch them at work on my lunch. Have a great day Noster.

[@scivirus3563]

i agree with you Notser .thats why WOWs need a ranking system to Separate Newcomers from Elite players .they need to qualify for the right to play in a rank every 3 months or so .i am not talking about Ranked games .it should be on all the time .They did it with Starcraft and that negativity was minimized to only the absolute Assholes ..if you get better the system should bumb you up to a higher Tier.if you start to lose alot it should lower in tier ..yes you will get people that will lose on purpose so he can get easy plays but then they can be reported and WG can punish them by banning or increase the RNG on there ships they play the most ..Wg idea of punishment is to ban you from Chat .please that will never work .there must be consequences .THe ranked system i think will make it more profitable and popular and even get more exposure i E sports .Look how successful Starcraft 2 WAS and still is in E sports >>alot of poeple think there is not enough people playing Wows to do this .yes because there are to many negative fools making new members lose interest .at the moment Wg is matching you up with player that happens to be on with Tiers number +- 2 from your own regardless of what the winrate or avg damage and avg xp is .. People could argue that SC2 had only 1v1 to 4v4 But hat would not matter if you get ranked in the type of ship you playing ....I suck with cruiser but i am best with CV and BB .i dont even try DD .this ranking system can is so needed for CV players becasue a an elite cv players will carrie the whole game and turn a Losing game in a winning game if his foo is a newb or just suck at cv play no matter how many games he played this can be done they already have every thing they need to work it out

[@kebobs3727]

I tried the CVs on the PTS, I use Essex and Midway all the time on live as well. To be honest, I did fantastic and averaged extremely high damage despite AA builds, but as I said, I have lots of experience in high tier CV so I can see how someone who isn't experienced in high tier CV would struggle to find value in the PTS.

[@eblingus]

Drama queen

[@FrustratedNameSearch]

This is why I like your video's and, yes, Flamu's video's. I learn a LOT from them and really appreciate it.

[@Dragonchakala]

No one bashes new players. People are calling out people who have like 4K games and still play like a total newbie. And then proceeds to call someone else bad. You topic kinda jumped from place to place are you didn't have a good argument in the end.

[@Tinywars]

You clearly don't play at high tiers. The sea of tears from tossers who die then sit in chat telling everyone else it was there fault they died is at breaking point now.

[@mutt152]

Not true, when I️ was starting out I️ was getting bashed all the time. I️ even saw it last week when my teenaged son started account for WOW. He started at T1 and things that people were saying was disgusting. I️ see it almost every game, in every tier. Yes it is frustrating when people make mistakes or their skill level is lacking. But people treat it as if they are physically on their ships and this “game” matters in life. At the end of the day this is just a “game” and to many people treat it as if it really matters in life.

[@Winters004]

Tinywars I play high tiers and I see people pulling stupid shit they should have learned not to do at T1. The fact that you can basically fail your way to the top means bad players have no incentive to improve.

[@cobrazax]

totally agree. if i see a new player not being skilled, i always try to help in battle and after battle. however if i get insults back, especially from an experienced player who STILL plays like shit at high tiers...then its someone who doesnt ever learn so its a waste of time.

[@EvilTimNum666]

I played a tier 1 coop game right after the game came out of closed beta, and a couple of bots were assigned to our team to fill it out. So I said "Good luck players and bots". The response from one player? "Die in a hole."

[@anthonyware4033]

Hey notser how do you really feel? I loved smoke campers because i would send 15 torps 76kph into the smoke and get 7 or 8 torp hits and 1 or 2 ships sunk.

[@Trapster99]

And soooooo......how is the New 'Improved' US Carrier tweek holding up?????

[@haldesoothen5792]

Damn straight Notser. I only play with friends on comms, and we disable chat. Stress free fun. Wouldn't play any other way these days. I hope you stay, you help a lot of us, thank you.

[@goatranchgaming2922]

Question why did they make DDS tanker and the dispersion to hit them even more . I used to be able to 1 salvo DDS with all guns from my new Orleans t10 and down except for German t8 and up now I lucky to get 4 shells on target 1 pen 2 non pens 1 deflection

[@patton1602]

Please Stay away from the SEA server. I got reported twice by some jackass who said that I was hacking because I outplayed his tier 3 in a Tier 2. He has a 65% Wn8 with over 2000 battles under his belt.

[@rickb6694]

Thanks for putting out this bit of logic Notser. I have a balance of new/experienced players in my clan, stats be damned I want this game to last. Be the help you wanted when you were new, literally applies to everything and it's the best way to make friends in game/life/work etc

[@Ascension1701]

Watched the whole video. Had several thoughts, one of which was "mommy people on the internet are not nice". Hello Notser and welcome to the internet!

[@fwootamala]

You're a more patient man than I Notser, I quit over a year ago. More fun to watch CCs that stick to the positive attitudes than to slog through the high school drama match after match.

[@Khabunrovsk]

Notser meets humanity

[@axolotl957]

Thank you Notser for pointing out the problems with the community. You have an great attitude towards allies and enemies in the game, an attitude i wish more players had. Carry on my good sir!

[@undeadkitty334]

Thank you so much for saying this Notser, This has been my concern for a long time. THANK YOU for addressing this, Elitism and overall crappy behavior. We need to get rid of the ability to look at things like stats like XVM type mods.

[@jollyrodge8671]

Thank you Notser for voicing your opinions. Putting out there what we're all thinking. Not gonna lie, I put down WoWs about a month or so ago, picked up Warplanes and War Thunder, and until the game mellows out enough for CVs to be improved properly, and the community to not be so freaking critical of how a CV player performs in any given match, my Enterprise will continue to gather dust in the port.

[@Sombody123]

How I do my interaction: - Use the voiced notification command system to bring out attention where it's needed. - Use the same system to thank and compliment. - Try to point out flaws in the chat BEFORE they happen, bitching about it afterwards isn't anywhere near as helpful. - Also use map pings, especially if it's related to a problem I mentioned in the chat. - Try not to use expletives most of the time, try to use polite language and have a relaxed tone. - Laugh off and/or ignore toxic players. - Ask both teams to report AFK players. (these are the only ones that really piss me off) - Use the compliment and report system to give credit where it's due.

[@aurelian3268]

Thanks Notser, the only community contributor who is doing the right thing, for making these awesome statements

[@She1lby]

The same can be said about life, it's not a reason to not be alive.

[@warnock0721]

NP with the rant, most people have the same feelings.

[@colony391]

So, about that swear jar.....

[@icecaptain9378]

The problem that leads to the attitude of the veteran players is when you try to help new players and they consistently make the same mistakes over and over, refuse to take your advice and throw it back in your face. A lot of players don't want to learn

[@sgtrock5273]

Notser, you are not alone sir. My sentiments exactly. I have a word for some of them, Unislobs.

[@Fin2001]

They should update the reporting/compliment system so that polite and kind players are rewarded with xp and/or credits, and those who are reported are punish severely by losing doubloons, xp and credits

[@SeanHenryWoTRush781]

Well said Notser. A lot of the elite players that you are talking about gameplay is their job. Others of us have to work a regular job and come home and get a few hours to play before going to bed or whatnot.

[@TwistedSisterHaratiofales]

same thing happened in World of Warcraft. Everyone wanted to be the General in the battlegrounds.

[@joedanker3267]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU NOTSER - for saying what you said, the community needs to hear this and especiialy from someone of your stature. Calling people who are new to the game and make mistakes some version "-tard" is massively offensive and a deterrant to new players. If we want our game to thrive and grow, we need to be more accepting of those with less experience and less knowedge of the game and look to help them, not insult them like a 12-year old brat. Frankly, that attitude is disgusting.

[@Takarde]

Welcome in the multiplayer world Notser. I am so agree with you. Online community became really aweful years after years. I regret so much the friends I had in the golden age while playing The 4th Prophecy or WoW vanilla...

[@noricardas1]

You know I would disagree about the state of comunity, every day i play wows i get quite a few compliments for when I do well. I had met some great people, i acted as a noob, done the wrong thing, a guy invited to play with him on training rooms, where he taught me a bit, since he was playing since beta, his WR is 65% or higher, I can't remmember. I have met another guy who just liked how I play, since then we play in division from time to time and he gives me tips and tricks on how to get better. I myself had met people who accused me of hacking, i later text them, what did I do to win that game, and how should they improve. Everyone reacted positively to an advice. Saw an enemy cv complaining about hacking, turns out the guy just did not know anything about manual drops or strafe mechanics at tier 9, gave him a few tips, he thanked me a lot after battle. And this just a few examples. Therefore, from my experience WOWS comunity has been the friendliest game community i have seen so far.

[@Ganderco]

I've been watching your videos every day for over 90 days now. I just realized I'm not actually subscribed....oh no, wait...., I am now! In my 3 months (98 days to be exact) of playing this game, I have noticed exactly what you are saying about the self-righteous attitudes. Although I "choose" to believe it is not the norm of wows, rather only the norm of a percentage of KZbin commenters, I still do not play random, in fact to avoid the drama. This anger and language is not normal coming from you, it is rare, which is what makes the video so authentic and having impact. Subbed. Peace!

[@GamingBear_Q_E_D]

We need more rewards for lower tiers & fun gameplay ... I totally agree with you.

[@greasemonkey6362]

well spoken Notser . thank you for saying how the majority of us feel . I ignore the chat in tanks and ships . WG removed cross team communication a while ago in WoT , but TBH it's the allied chat which is most toxic in both games IMO . and so I understand the toxicity in WG games is nothing to some games . All we can do is hope things improve .. Fingers crossed . I just wish WG would fix the match maker so the teams were even with Radar and Hydro .

[@MrJwestern]

I have been around since Alphas and you are right. If they want to change the format for the better scrap the stats part of the game all together. We know they are flawed, they say they are flawed and yet it is the standard they base buffs and nerfs on.

[@gothicalpha]

Thank you for saying it notser

[@mornbar1]

I get what you're driving at Notser. Gameplay needs to improve and making a variety of builds viable is certainly a good way to do that. I used to play an mmo where one of the guild regulars ran an excellent tank build. The guys damage output was laughable, but his ability to fixate a mob & absorb punishment was legend. Needless to say, many guildies didn't understand his build purpose at all, but for those of us who did; it was golden. He freely shared the details, but most folks are too focused on the glory side of things to have the patience to play a supporting role and enjoy doing it well.

[@kagakai7729]

I can almost hear a good 60% of the player base walking out

[@ReddyTuRole420]

I am Notser and I want to behavior police the WoWs community. A pro team using something with a high success rate is still a pro team. Those teams in overwatch understand that setting yourself up for failure for some sort of honor in not being the team that's using the set ups with the highest success rate isn't going to make it to the stage. lol.

[@louisforlibertarian]

I would very agree with Notser, I just started my CV lines, and got the T6 CVs recently, and that is really different from the game plays of previous tiers. I was the only CV on my team, and no one can cover my mistakes, so my team was wiped out really quick. My bad tho.

[@idahocowboy1980]

@Notser, your input and advice is always followed and has made me better at this game. I've only ever concerned myself with my damage output and win rate in an effort to better myself. Please try to ignore the haters and encourage the newcomers to do the same. That's how I am with my clan. We strive to better each other as often as we can and ignore those who chose to be fuckin' JERKS! Love your content and please don't stop. Your analysis is valued and appreciated.

[@seriousgoat76]

In a nut shell: Wargaming needs to listen to their community more (but not too much)

[@d.c7464]

I could not agree with you more. They are driving the older players away as well.

[@sjwwright]

Love your work Noster, couldn’t agree more on the community comments, as a very new player I have almost had enough of the abuse I’ve received in some games.

[@dylanwight5764]

Can't agree with you more about the smoke changes. Yes, it's now incredibly frustrating to use smoke in a cruiser (then again, cruisers aren't in a good spot right now anyway), but I still appreciate the changes made to smoke firing. Going into it knowing I'm at best just an average player, i don't get salty when I fuck up nor do I have the excuse to blame it on the game mechanics. It's all down to me not yet being experienced enough to catch myself making a mistake before i get punished for it.

[@lopaka79]

This should be a video on humanities cave man attributes on how we treat others outside of our tribe. Good point on metas. Wish developers would stick to a checks and balance development vs give everyone one everything for a fair chance to win.

[@hundredpercentderp398]

Holy shit the fletcher ate 4 torps and lived on

[@joshgreenfeld7119]

Oh my, I am only 25 seconds into your video and I am loving what you are saying. Spot on !!

[@YagabodooN]

For the most part I agree but there is a difference between making an honest mistake vs. consistently making terrible choices and whining when people call you out on them.

[@savory_bacon]

This entire video is the reason I mostly play co-op now. IF I log on. GG WarGaming

[@indiexanna]

100% agreed The state of the game is getting worse and worse and worse, and just you couldn't think it can be more worse, it got worse. On the SEA Server, when you are playing as a carrier around tier 5-7, 90% chance you will fight against an AS focused carrier because people got tired of their planes getting shot down either by premium carriers or just general AA mechanics. It has this domino effect that drives people insane and in the end, give up how to bomb the enemy and instead start practice strafing enemy aircrafts like 300x so when you look at their profile, they have extremely low ship-sunk-per-game ratio but insanely high plane-shot-down-per-game ratio. Year of the carrier eat my ass... The people there rarely talks, like 80% of them never talks. In a game that requires communications in order to perform optimally, nobody gave a shit about looking at the chat and instead just roll on their own. No communications at all, it's like playing alongside a stone, your orders and commands are fallen to deaf ears. They won't listen to you UNLESS you start throwing tantrum at them and ONLY THEN, they listen to you just to then spam report you, effectively chat-banning you for trying to get through them. How do you expect people to learn from their mistakes if THEY NEVER LISTEN?? This is too late to fix, waay far too late to fix. The game community is already doomed. Only way you can really really enjoy the game frustration free is fighting alongside and against people you acquinted with. And no, I don't mean division, you have to have at least half of the team consists of players you acquinted with.

[@NO0BIE659]

This is why I tend to play more operations than random battles

[@bloodybunny5745]

How about a mute option ? Sound good

[@nicolasledo2500]

They really need tutorials to help people figure out their classes cuz they basically leave that up to a live and learn system, which is equally frustrating to both experienced players and noobs alike. Experienced players are like “Potato Teams UGH!” and noobs are so afraid to do something wrong that they either don’t play aggressively or yolo cuz they don’t care. Everyone is also so quick to scream about poor gameplay but they do not appreciate good gameplay in return. It’s sad cuz this game is pretty fun most of the time, just gets super frustrating really fast.

[@blankmoment2]

i dont know Notser but the player in asia sometime can be quite dull and they are tier 7-10, like running a yamato into straight 4 destroyer or an izumo know that just around the corner of the island there are a fleet of cruiser and enemy dd ready to torp anything get past it great so he charge and die (yes this is literally wows in asia)

[@cainonleeds1299]

Agreed. The only thing I hate worse than when people spectate and hold their superiority over you is when they try to hold their inferiority over you. I was a T7 in a T9 match the other day, took a cap, brought 2 ships that out tiered me down with me when I sunk, and scored 3rd on the team, but some team killer T8 DD whose only contribution to the world was that he killed the enemy CV, started bad mouthing everyone on our team when we won, especially my T7 division mates. He still placed 2nd on the team because he derped around and CV hunted until only a few battleships were left, which he still couldn't handle and ended up running away from. I wasn't too shaken up by it since I'm used to the slimy, worm-ridden filth on WoWs, but one of my division mates almost rage quit. I wish there was some sort of public shaming (like pink coloring with team killers) for players who get reported by more than one player in a match for unsporting behavior/misbehavior in chat or something like that to clean up some of the toxicity in the community. A tar and feather camo of shame that increases detection range would be a nice touch too.

[@sarinhighwind]

I"m going to point out a caveat about why min/maxing and other issues become a major issue for testing and such things as test servers. With a system that requires you to "level" to choose your skills, you're inherently going to run into issues like this. The reason being is that your average player doesn't have 15 point captains. Hell, your average player doesn't even have 10 point captains. I've been playing since Beta and I only have 1 tier 8 and a 15 point captain on that. I don't play hard core all day every day, so I'm not going to have 30 max captains and every tier 10 ship. What does this mean? It means that players who can min max will min max. It also means that the battle data on this is skewed cause a majority of the community cannot compete at this level and thus when they play, that statistic isn't of any value because they cannot min max. So what does that mean when there is a test server where you can play all the shit for free with 15 point captains? Yeah, everyone who sucks at the game is going to play on the test server and finally get to try these builds which would take them months of work to get if they are an average casual player. They dont have to grind forever to play the ships they want to play, they can just jump on and play the game like any other game, casually and play their favorite things and try what they want. All grind style games are going to come to this point. Thankfully with WOWs, the captain skills are not life or death for you to be a good player, but it helps. Unlike world of tanks where maxed crews give you a crazy advantage over newbs. But the same concept comes down in the end. At least with WOWs, you have an opportunity without to much hard work and premium ships to get a max captain and get to tier 10 without having to sell your soul or quit your job.