SPEED WARNING Alert | How it’s RUINING new cars…

[@npoleary]

⬇ Disable it for your car! ⬇ 7:00 How to Disable - Mercedes 7:20 How to Disable - Volkswagen 7:35 How to Disable - Tesla 7:40 How to Disable - BMW & Mini 8:02 How to Disable - BYD

[@waynejohn8]

The sad thing is that even if you disable the in-cabin warning, 'they' could still, and are, possible collecting data to sell to brokers. 😪😪

[@npoleary]

Let’s hope not! 🤞🏼

[@GeneralOffice-vt3uy]

It turns back on when you turn off the engine

[@ronskanal1377]

@@waynejohn8 But not Tesla 😅

[@ihavenousername1805]

Out of curiosity, could you buy a miniature 70mph sticker and stick it front of the cars camera, or would the GPS override it?😂😂

[@tomskwomble66]

One problem with any warning, be it speed, low tyre pressure etc is that they when the beeps sounds people will take their eyes of the road to see what it is and sometimes it's some odd symbol in the dash that is not obvious. Another unfortunate side effect is that people just start ignoring all the warning sounds.

[@npoleary]

Very true! Luckily the text is usually simplified and not a paragraph long 🤓

[@ChickenSplash]

there is a reason why warning sounds are annoyingly high pitch beeps, i cant just ignore that

[@fredfred2363]

yeah, imagine grandma getting into one of today's newer cars. probably won't even be able to figure out how to start it... Took me a few minutes in a recent hire car, AND I'm a tech head!

[@101ventus]

I have a new car with this. Everything you say is spot on. Having to turn the beeping off every time I use it is very irritating. It is a dangerous distraction in my view.

[@urbancats1]

But my car only alerts low tyre pressure when I'm stopped for more like 5 seconds or smth. The TPM light would come on but an audible warning and a warning on the info display would only appear if its stopped

[@chrissmith2114]

The best safety feature in any vehicle is a driver paying full attention to the road...

[@reallynotpc]

Not so easy to find one of those!

[@dafoex]

Sadly we live in a world where plenty don't...

[@kevindarkstar]

Few and far between

[@NineEyeRon]

Sadly common sense is the least common of the senses.

[@alexalston3001]

and all this tech does is distract.

[@stuartjohnston1086]

Those systems are exactly the reason I'm keeping my old car, which has none of them. I am keeping an eye on the aftermarket coding options. When somebody figures out a way to permanently disable this on certain cars / makes, then I'll consider one of those cars.

[@martinday2815]

Oh well and good until insurance companies get interested and becomes an MOT check.

[@sushiginger444]

On my BMW you can turn it off permanently. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. I find it useful, but it’s not perfect.

[@DerDoJo]

@@sushiginger444 not in the european market. there it HAS to enable itself on every start otherwise it is not compliant. maybe you have an older model where this feature was part of the normal driver assistance and is not covered under the new regulation.

[@sushiginger444]

@@DerDoJo Ah yes, mine was registered July 2023 but the law came in July 2024. However mine would still be compliant because it does show a small speed limit sign on the dash which flashes if you go over - that is all that is required - although some cars automatically slow down as well - mine only does that if you switch that function on.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

@@DerDoJo These things can be coded out using diagnostic tools like an Autel, unless it is mandatory everywhere there is pretty much always an option to disable it if you can configure the ECU. I asked Mercedes to disable keyless entry on a car I wanted to buy and they said if couldn't be done until I said it was a deal breaker, then magically they decided they could do it.

[@markrandle4782]

I recently bought a new 24 BMW not knowing about this and soon got totally fed up that you had to turn it off every time you started the car. I got so fed up that I sold the car and bought an older one. Nanny state gone mad

[@npoleary]

Yeah having worked in a dealer for another manufacturer before it’s something that sales people don’t talk about as they know what it’s like. At least with BMW it is very easy to turn off! Annoyingly it’s per driving session though…

[@maskofsan1ty]

A nanny state is one that controls an individual to protect themselves. Controlling a driver to protect someone else is not nanny state.

[@pevebe]

@@maskofsan1ty This is one of many examples of the nanny state. Your definition isn't adhered to

[@dawid97641]

tried to slow down maybe ???

[@SideQuestStijn]

If you watch the video you’d learn that the cars get the limit wrong _alll_ the time. So unless you’re suggesting to drive dangerously slow….

[@doughunt9621]

I have a 71 reg VW group car with adaptive cruise control. There is one stretch of 70mph road I use frequently with a slip road which has 40mph signs just at the end of the central reservation. The car sees the signs and jams the brakes on. Damn dangerous. I paid for this system and I hate it. My worry is that if the legislation requires the car to be unable to exceed the limit it thinks it is and force cars to slow down by hard braking, this may result in accidents if a following vehicle doesn't have the same info or behaves differenly. Imagine the chaos if your car thinks it is on a 30mph road and everyone else can legally do 60mph.

[@npoleary]

Yeah let’s hope that doesn’t happen! 🤔

[@rich7447]

Why does the UK go by when the car was first registered rather than model year? Was your car build in 2021 or sitting on a lot for 4 years before being registered in 2021?

[@dzonikg]

My car is from 2016 and has that option ,to automatically set speed off adaptive cruise control to speed signs but in 8 years i never had courage to turn it on.Thanks to your comment i guess i did right thing

[@sushiginger444]

VW Group car? What kind? Bentley, Bugatti, Porsche? My money’s on Skoda. 😂

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

problematic for older "dumb" cars. Remember when makers used to put ABS badges on the boot (to warn following drivers)?

[@NuSpirit_]

I drive my Dacia Duster 2, which has only blind spot assist and nothing else. Then I sat into our company's Kia and that bloody thing was screaming all the time for all the reasons, even when I looked both ways if I can go from side road, it was yelling "pay attention!" - all the dings and bops are distracting me, making me more likely to make a mistake. I wanted to buy a new car next year, but I'll either stick to my basic Dacia or buy something older. No way I want my car screaming at me in my life too.

[@alexrobinson2281]

I run a 2014 duster 4x4 , state of the art , it has electric windows and errrr ? that’s it ! Wouldn’t part with it , brilliant wee car

[@alfaeco15]

Congrats, your car just became your wife.

[@chrispenn715]

Agree with you - these systems are badly flawed. It's been an issue on cars for several years already - although until now they have usually just flashed a warning on the instruments. I've also had issues with LKA (lane killer assist 😂) and with emergency braking. It's a pain that you have to navigate menus to switch off on every journey. The nanny systems have gone too far - it's like having a learner driver supervise your driving!

[@npoleary]

Haha Lane Killer Assist 😂 Not heard that one before 😅

[@TX200AA]

That is not even the worst "assist system". My new Skoda Octavia VRS does not have speed assist but does have lane assist, which is horrible. The first time I drove the car I was on a narrow main road. A lorry came towards me straddling the centre line, so I moved over to the extreme left edge of the road and lane assist tried its best to push me into the path of the lorry. Its not just stupid on narrow UK main and B roads, it is downright dangerous. Its easy, but annoying to turn it off, but you have to do so every time you start the engine. Perhaps I should buy an OBD11 device to turn it off permanently? Maybe the device could also turn off speed alert?

[@npoleary]

Yes many cars have some assist tech these days but each car manufacturer has their own way of implementing that tech. Some brake (or what I would describe, jolt) one side of the car to get back into lane. Some use steering intervention. Some of the newer systems I’ve tested are better, maybe I should make a video on that! 😅 Some roads it’ll brake even though there are no lane markings. Possibly, I’ve never tried using one but go careful if a car has a warranty. You’d be modifying software and they might get funny about it. Not 100% sure either way but just highlighting that it could pose an issue.

[@ViewBothSides]

The manufacturers should ALL provide a 'customised settings' page where you can set all your preferences, and then provide a super-short shortcut for that (like holding a button on the steering wheel down as in a couple of the examples). That way the driver can say no to lane keeping assist, no to speed assist, yes to makeup assist, no to butt massage assist, whatever, when they get in the car and all is fine and still legal.

[@npoleary]

Butt massage assist 😂 That would be a good idea though, one button for your preferences 🙏🤓

[@nivs123]

@@npoleary AFAIK - Renault are doing this now

[@discophil6726]

The shortcut should be, pressing the ignition button

[@Floh_HRO]

@@nivs123 yes the new renault 5 has this feature. double press a button to the left of the steering wheel.

[@ViewBothSides]

@@discophil6726 good idea, one of the settings options could be 'load all these settings on powerup'. Perfect workaround.

[@steveh9428]

I had to do a speed awareness course because I was doing 37mph in a 30 mph zone. I had driven from a 40 zone to a 30 zone in late spring last year, but because the local council had yet to trim the roadside foliage, the 30mph signs had become overgrown and invisible to my car’s scanners. There is, of course, no comeback from such a situation (or, at least, not without an awful lot of time-consuming research and effort, such as taking photos of the signs, which might be hundreds of miles from where you live and might now have been cleared by the council, in which case you’d have to contact that council to advise you when the area was cleared, etc, etc, etc).

[@hotshot8365]

Yeah it’s never going to work in the plebs favour, really you would think if the car couldn’t see it, it could be argued a human couldn’t either so that would be a get out clause (if they insist on having this tech in cars)

[@steveh9428]

@@hotshot8365 You’d then have to prove that the car didn’t see it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@npoleary]

Very true to all of the above! Hopefully the course wasn’t too time consuming!

[@TonyWhitley]

So it’s the car's fault that you didn’t see the sign?

[@steveh9428]

@@TonyWhitley Did you not read my post? The signs were covered by overgrown foliage. Bye now.

[@Matticitt]

Any system put into a vehicle should NOT be "oh it works 80% of the time, then 20% of the time it's hot garbage". I cannot stand any rythmic beeping. It absolutely drives me crazy to the point of genuine anger. All those beeps in modern cars simply mean I will never buy one. I can't. For my mental health. Also I've hear about the lane-keep-assist system violently yanking the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver and steering the vehicle into oncoming traffic almost causing a head-on collision. Who will be responsible for killing a person when the system does shit like that? It's absolutely insane all those half-baked systems are mandated to be included. Insane!

[@muppit666]

The problem with a lot of drivers is they don’t pay a lot of attention now. So when you put all this “tech” in cars, they’ll pay even less attention than they did and wait for the car to correct them. Driving is a privilege not a right, and some peoples should never be behind a wheel.

[@WitheredPancake]

It triggers on me quite often when I'm driving down a road (e.g. 60 mph limit), and I drive past a side street with a different speed limit sign for traffic turning in (e.g. 30 mph), the car then produces audible alerts because it now thinks the speed limit is 30, when I could be going as fast as 60 mph. The alerts can be quite distracting, especially when you're in a car you aren't familiar with. I do tend to drive with the automatic speed limiter on too, but in this case, the car will then start to slow down, confusing drivers that are following whilst I fumble for the control to cancel the speed limiter. I'm seriously considering placing some waterproof black tape over the camera on my windscreen as the GPS data is mostly correct for me, but I don't think the camera sign detection technology is anything like ready yet.

[@npoleary]

I agree with all of that! Apart from the tape 😅 Just go careful, modern cars use a lot of sophisticated tech through that camera. It may affect other safety systems like auto braking etc. example you’re driving at 50mph and the car doesn’t think you’re moving at all. It might just think there’s a fault with lane assist or worse case scenario do something not intended because it couldn’t see. I’m just being overly cautious probably! 😅

[@WitheredPancake]

@@npoleary Yeah, you're spot on. I wouldn't actually do that, but it's so damn tempting!

[@dan_irl]

I have the same problem in my Hyundai. It regularly sees one of the roads near my house as 20mph when it’s 30mph. I totally agree with your conclusion - that it should be voluntary. I think it’s in the realm of dangerous because people will be tempted to take their eyes off the road to switch the system off. Same with the lane keeping function which has to be automatically on at start up. That system has tried to swerve me into a parked bus and a cyclist before. Sorry, but a bureaucrat in Brussels is not driving my car, I am. They do not know better than me how I control my vehicle. It’s a failure of government that we have just accepted their rules. Why do we pay for our government if they aren’t doing their job for us?

[@Dadniel1st]

It happened to me driving a rented car in Germany Hyundai i20. I had to disable lane assist every time before driving. The car in front of me swerved from left lane in front of me and I was wrestling with Lane assist to avoid collision.

[@npoleary]

I completely get it as driving tech gets better and better there can be systems like this which “could” make driving much more enjoyable and safer. But when its accuracy is not closer to 100%, that’s when there’s a problem.

[@theelmonk]

@@npoleary Big GPS problem is misdetecting which road you're on - eg you're on a motorway and it decides you're on the low-speed road alongside it.

[@janmb]

Slight correction on the legal aspect. The law requires new car *models* to have such systems. It is perfectly legal to keep producing and selling cars of existing type approvals without adding this.

[@stevendegreef93]

Incorrect. New cars have to adhere to the new rules implemented from a selling date. In practice, manufacturers need to if willing to keep the model update the cars or start implementing the sysems earlier before obligation starts.

[@janmb]

@@stevendegreef93 Wrong. It may very well be the case that UK authorities claim precisely that, but that's not what the directive from EU actually says. But most likely do you suffer from the same thing as we do in Norway: National politicians overdoing everything in order to impress EU - instead of adhering to the minimum actually required. It is perfectly possible to sell a brand new car on a type approval that is several years old. The requirement from EU follows type approvals, and nothing else. But obviously, this is of limited interest really - manufacturers need to modernize their model lineups all the time, which leads to new type approvals anyway.

[@JimboRustles]

You are mistaken. It's 2022 for new types and 2024 for all new vehicles. "Regulation (EU) 2019/2144 of the European Parliament and of the Council 1 mandates motor vehicles of categories M and N to be equipped with intelligent speed assistance (ISA) systems from 6 July 2022 for new vehicle types and from 7 July 2024 for all new vehicles."

[@janmb]

@@JimboRustles I stand corrected - thanks.

[@Ryan-pz2wh]

@@janmb I would suggest do a simple google next time before spouting such misinformation.

[@holycow666]

The more time goes on, the more I appreciate my old car.

[@bruce6014]

Me too! I've set my old car up to beep if I go over 80mph. Avoids me getting carried away on motorways. That's enough assistance for me, thanks.

[@KE15MPY]

The problem is I turn it off and it come back on again every time you switch the ignition back on. Wait until the speed of the vehicle is linked to the speed limit and It won’t let you drive above it. They will kill the new car market.

[@npoleary]

Yeah on today’s version of that…that would be dangerous. It needs to improve before they do that!

[@alexrobinson2281]

You mentioned the solution turn it off before you set off , simple

[@TheVicar]

You pass your licence based on displaying your ability to adhere to certain conditions One is sticking to the speed limit. If you can't do it, then you should have to retake your test until the day comes when you don't have to keep retaking your test

[@ronaldcools]

This speed limit thing is not even the worst thing. In august I switched from a VW golf 7 to a new A class. Since I had the mercedes I had : - 2 times on the highway @ 120km/h a surprise warning for a speedbump. I never seen any speedbump on the HIGHWAY. - At a small chicane and a motorcycle or car coming in the other direction driving at allowed speed, calmly, nothing dangerous. 3 seperate instances the car slammed the brakes and almost got me rear ended. - Reversing in a parking spot where there is but a single bush with a tiny twig sticking out. Car slams the breaks like doing an emergency stop. - etc. ...

[@npoleary]

That is strange on a few of these points I can help with the last one? I’m currently working on a video for that last one you can toggle that emergency brake off for parking. It has given me a heart attack many times! 😅 Head to Home Settings Assistance Parking And in one of those menus there are three things like close range braking, you can toggle them off and they even stay off as well. Do it and you’ll thank me later 🤓 If not video coming soon in a couple of weeks 👊🏼👊🏼

[@bighit20100]

Sorry to say buddy but thats because Mercedes sucks. I too had an A-class and I hated it, had the same issues as you. Also when the car corrects you when stepping the lane, it uses brakes to correct your steering, which is loud and abrupt and it almost caused me several accidents due to it being so jarring that I thought my tire blew or my axle broke and tried to counter-steer… which almost killed me couple times… I was so happy once I gave it back. Never a Mercedes again.

[@npoleary]

They’ve changed the way lane assist works on newer models. No more harsh jolting! 🙏 Still is enabled by default though 😢

[@bighit20100]

@@npoleary Thank god! That jolting was horrendous. I always thought my wheels were coming off... But I find Mercedes in general dangerous to drive. Their steering is very light. When I look away for a second and then look back, I always find my car drifting off the road. With for example BMW, I never had this. The car stays in the lane just fine, due to the steering being more heavy and stable. My friends who test drove an A-class call it a "sailboat on wheels" 😂 Same issue I had with the C-class

[@steveoliver1163]

@@npolearyaye, but will it stay off 🤬🤬

[@MadQmike]

EU needs to relax with this dumb ass rules

[@npoleary]

Agreed. Have you seen what they’ve done with Apple recently and their iOS?

[@bighit20100]

The EU cant trust us with living our lives the way we want, so they oppress us with their rules. People say Russia or China is bad… but people fail to realise we are being oppressed in Europe, just via a different mechanism…

[@ThomasHoffDE]

agreed - lived in contenental Europe for 6 years. cameras were shockingly prevalent. Only Germany has it right on the Autobahn, otherwise it was a nightmare

[@sjaguartype]

So what you are saying is that you want to put my life in danger by driving faster than the law permits! You arrogant idiot

[@dzonikg]

@@ThomasHoffDE Traffic is now much slower then in 70s and 80s when my parents had 55 HP car.Even here in Serbia now cameras pop up everywhere every day .Even on highways where there is 130km/h they installed cameras on every overpass and they measure awerage speed between cameras,if its even 1 km/h above 130 km/h automatic ticket . On country 2 line roads even worster ,its 90 km/h or 80 km/h but even there is single house near the road its 50 km/h and you can bet there is speed camera watching you to not go above 50 .This summer i got ticket for 40 km/h becase even was 4 line road ,divided lines because there was school near by its automatically 30 km/h zone ,does not matter it was summer and from Jun to September schools dont work .Great way for them to fill state budget so that cameras for them pay them self in few days and then everything is profit

[@nfc153]

French cars used to push the pedal back at you. If you want to go faster, push back otherwise rest foot against the pressure and stay at the limit (slowing if necessary, of course). No annoying beeps, not easy to miss, simple to override. We had a solution, now this ... ?

[@npoleary]

Hmm interesting not experienced that before, wonder if they still have that?

[@Manu-Official]

I'm French, never heard of that.

[@ihavenousername1805]

Are you sure that was a feature and not just a byproduct of French car build quality? 😂

[@garrycroft4215]

My Smart #1 Brabus recently received an OTA update that allows me to set all settings that default after the car is turned on. Eg lane keep assist, driving mode, brake regen, speed limit warning etc. all selected with just a simple swipe down and click. ❤

[@npoleary]

That’s cool! 😎

[@deezet9518]

My thought is, I’m 53 years old, I’ve lived through all those decades where stupid stuff like this didn’t exist. The boneheads in the EU should stop this nanny behavior. I am perfectly able to watch myself thank you, get lost!!

[@davesmith5656]

Can you provide a valid street address, please?

[@deezet9518]

@ what for?

[@davesmith5656]

@@deezet9518 --- My comment was intended to be facetious, e.g. where to send a speeding ticket.

[@deezet9518]

@@davesmith5656 OK, my bad

[@davesmith5656]

@@deezet9518 ----- Not your bad at all. Mine.

[@rmc6935]

Mine picks up the speed from the back of buses and trucks and it has changed to over 100 in the past. I have a modern Kia with a thing called Highway Drive Assist which is advanced cruise control and it changes speed on the motorway and I have had it change to 80 recently very annoying.

[@npoleary]

Yeah that shouldn’t be a thing but I bet some cars do this! Cars can monitor and prevent crashes in front of you with their tech these days so they already know to look for the car in front. It should be feasible for it to ignore anything that is in the middle of the road like as you said on the back of a bus and just look to the sides of the road.

[@craigpreedy8855]

I have a 22 plate Mokka e. It has this system, thankfully without the beep. I’m a driving instructor so initially thought this would be a great feature for my pupils. But, sadly no. I tell them to ignore it. It misreads signs regularly. There is one road which has changed from. 60 to 30. It still displays 60 even though the road signs is no longer there. So, linked to the sat nav and not the camera. To be honest, it can’t be trusted. I can turn it off but, you have to do so at the start of each new lesson, which is not helpful for learners as at the beginning of their driving test, don’t want to give an examiner the wrong impression.

[@npoleary]

This is very true…in driving lessons I bet (if not already) that some lessons might evolve around driving assistance systems and the many variations that they all have. Lane Assist systems, how to spot it from car to car and what it would do when it “can” get it wrong, or in this situation the speed warning. I’m all for new tech in cars, I know the limits of my own car and turn certain systems off when I know it won’t or would struggle with a certain situation.

[@danielmarkiewicz8489]

in Poland,Europe problem is that crossroad will remove speed limit, and no sign is needed for that, must most cars does not know about it and those only read signs. so there is situation with 30 speed limit for 200 meters that is naturally canceled by next crossroad but car is beeping constantly forever or until it reads next speed limit sign somewhere

[@Richard-bq3ni]

Indeed, and my car also doesn't understand white car on blue background (100km/h), or the grey "end of current speed limit" sign. (Netherlands)

[@dzonikg]

In Serbia we have school zone sign often with out speed limit sign but it means 30 km/h zone ,so this summer speed camera got me ticket for driving 40 there

[@laurent5926]

Same rule in France… this is ignored by the ISA. It is not intelligent at all and should require IA to work properly.

[@russellchristison8425]

I had a loan car in Australia that had this annoying feature, it missed a 110kph sign and thought I was in a 60 kph and alarmed for about 10 minutes

[@jay61790]

We picked up our new Peugeot 208 GT Hybrid on Wednesday, and while the technology in it is great, this speed warning is annoying. If anyone has worked out a shortcut to turn it off in a Peugeot, I'd be forever grateful if you could share it. Nice to meet you by the pool in Kos Nick. Great video.

[@npoleary]

Thank you! 🙏 Glad you enjoyed this one! 🤓 Yeah good to meet you too! At least the weather was good! Sorry not sure on the Peugeot systems but if I get my hands on one, I’ll check it out!

[@jay61790]

@@npoleary appreciated.

[@npoleary]

New video (at least) every Friday 👀 🙏

[@graemejones9707]

Serves you right for buying a French car!

[@johncarr8092]

Totally agree. Ultimate control is the driver, not the machine. Think carefully about option packs to choose when buying a car many seem disjointed and may not be the smart way to go. Placement of switches on steering wheels which can be switched accidentally are a problem.

[@npoleary]

Always highlight that in my reviews now if they are touch / haptic / sound / actual buttons. Me I prefer the latter.

[@John-ik1os]

With speed limiter enabled my Ford Focus can suddenly slow just because there had been a temporary speed limit which has not been updated on the sat nav. An example would be road works on the motorway reducing the speed from 70mph to 50 mph but all the road works have gone. This can be unnerving and possibly dangerous if a car is tailgating. The only way to go faster is to put my accelerator to the floor or switch off the speed limiter.

[@npoleary]

Yes this can happen at times! Seen many times across all manufacturers around before. Usually just override it.

[@mdshovel]

Renault have a page of personal settings that you always want switched off. When you get in there is a physical button you press twice and it switches off all those you selected off ... the result is total silence, no bings, bongs or wrestling of the steering wheel. They also use native Google Maps

[@npoleary]

That’s cool! A bit like Volvo and Tesla then with the maps! 🙏 Might have to check them out 🤓

[@mdshovel]

@@npoleary Same Android Automotive system with Google Maps as Volvo & Polestar. I had the Volvo XC40 Twin EV and now have the new Renault Scenic EV

[@npoleary]

Nice! 👌🏼

[@joyceeddlestone3274]

Yes, we've had this problem- our mercedes sees any sign, even on side roads which doesn't apply to the road we're driving along, and it pings at us. It's not hard to turn it off, but we've got to remember to turn it off at the start of every journey. We've driven a lot in Germany, and there this works much better because there are fewer speed restriction changes and everyone knows that village signs means that the speed goes down to 50km/hr

[@dashofawesome64]

Personally i do hate that in germany its like 100 then 70 then 50 then 70 then 100 etc etc.

[@radio-g4-rm3dz]

Another item to add to me pre-drive check list: Auto stop/start = OFF Lane assist =OFF Speed assist = OFF (luckily easy in a KIA) I've only had the damned car for 2 weeks and twice it's told me I can do 80mph in a 30mph, good job it isn't an autonomous car, I would be in trouble.

[@nigelw4119]

I have a VW that when on ACC and travelling in say a 40mph zone and it spots a national speed sign it accelerates the car up to 70mph. This might be OK income situations but frightening when I have my caravan swinging from the towbar and limited to 60mph.

[@DoctorBobP]

I've got a new model Picano (3 weeks old) that does exactly the same things! 80 in a 30, or 80 in a 60, plus it just randomly decides to change speed settings. Its going in tomorrow to have a full system update/upgrade - which is a known problem, so go ask the dealer what's what.

[@radio-g4-rm3dz]

@@DoctorBobP I don't think it's so much a fault of the car but more to do with the hidden or dirty road signs, seems like the authorities don't have the money to clean them or cut back the vegetation.

[@nigelw4119]

​@DoctorBobP I think that would be the best course of action before disaster strikes!

[@DoctorBobP]

@@radio-g4-rm3dz @nigelw4119 - When I took my car back after a couple of weeks and told the dealer the problem, it was THEM who said that the speed setting randomly changing was a known Kia fault. Since the upgrade, Christine (Stephen King film about the possessed car!) has been as good as gold apart from picking up temporary speed signs on motor way slip roads. On a short 'shopping run' journey I don't bother but on a long run it gets turned off, alng with the Lane Assist, which is simple to do! Just hold down the 'car with the 2 lane marking on the steering wheel' for about 3-4 seconds and the dash display turns yellowy orange - Job Done!!!

[@dexradio]

Same applies to Lane Assist and Stop/Start, all a PITA, and the need to turn them off every drive is really irritating!

[@cachememory]

Same with emergency braking assisst: It recognizes a car on another turning lane braking and it makes an emergeny brake! Who is at fault here? These system lead also to crashes and therefore shouldn‘t be allowed at all …

[@marty197666]

My December 23 A class went in for fuse replacement. I got a brand new one as courtesy. Omfg it was annoying on the motorway, getting beeped at every time I overtook or got overtook. And the binging…. Let’s face it everyone does 75-80 in the U.K.

[@npoleary]

Haha 😅 Luckily it’s easy to turn off! 🙏

[@ffotograffydd]

@@marty197666 Everyone who is speeding does 75-80, the speed limit is 70. Those ignoring it are the reason for the legislation in the first place.

[@marty197666]

@ Just because it’s law doesn’t make it right. Though I agree that the limiters are brilliant for 30mph zones.

[@cloudyskies1323]

Turn up the radio to mask the bong. Pull fuse for GPS. Cover the windscreen sensor. Disabled in the obsd port interface.

[@davesmith5656]

Those signs can also hide. A "stop" sign got me that way once. Just as I was approaching the intersection, it ducked behind a big tree. Christmas tree lights behind me. Wow, did my insurance rates go up!

[@npoleary]

Oh no! 😢

[@fredfred2363]

yeah, as a joke I've seen a few people paste a largish stop sign on the back of buses and trucks. causes total chaos! hilarious actually. humans just ignore the signs, but computers don't understand the humour...

[@andrewcrowther1973]

Great video Nick and very helpful informing ys of the flaws in these systems and how to turn them off. The big worry in the future is if they link this system with the speed limiter and when detects a new speed limit it automatically limits to the car to new speed limit. The problem is if on a duel carriage way or motorway doing 70mph system detects 20mph speed limit on a parallel road breaks the car frim 70 to 20 there is huge possibility of an accident.

[@npoleary]

I just think it’s important for people to know that they are assist systems, they won’t get everything right every time. They’re useful but when they become annoying you can turn them off. Yeah hopefully they don’t do that as I will have a lot to say if they do in its current state. It would make for an interesting video I guess 😅

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

@@npoleary my sister in law turns all those gadgets off every time she gets in her Skoda. A one-button disable would be a winner for her (especially the lane assist/twist the wheel one)

[@TheUltradad]

Picking up my new Hyundai Tucson in 2 weeks and all you have to do to disable all the noises is press mute button for 3 seconds but you have to do it every time you start the car

[@npoleary]

Ah that’s good to know! Not reviewed a Hyundai yet (never say never) but good to know if I do! 🤓

[@fredfred2363]

and all the flashing warning or notification symbols in your face aren't distracting you at all...

[@davem9204]

Nice demo of the systems. I drive older cars without these gadgets, so don't experience this hell. The engineer in me wants to cry at the design and concept of these systems. Didn't anyone think about the very common real-world scenarios pointed out here? Cameras and computer vision to read roads signs is always going to be a really difficult nut to crack reliably. Did they just test them on test roads which are dead straight in perfect weather with unobscured signs? If the designers of these systems did not anticipate the flaws, then they shouldn't be doing that sort of work. If they were forced in implement these systems based on management, sales, the powers that be (who actually deemed these to be possible solutions?), then they should have grown a pair and said it isn't a practical solution. These so-called safety features and driver assistance seem to actually make it more dangerous and impair driving. Do people who come up with these ideas even drive?

[@npoleary]

Agree with all of that 🙏 I bet it was tested on a sunny day and on a straight road. However I will add it cleverly does work in the rain as well, but…if the sun is shining behind the sign you can’t expect any camera to successfully read it every time.

[@dzonikg]

Well its same like for fuel economy .They never test in real world but on drums that rotates and car is just standing still

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

Don't use them in Oxfordshire then, a lot of signs are dirty or overgrown :/

[@speedbird073]

@@dzonikg You can't test in "real world" because everybody's real world is different and it then becomes impossible to make accurate comparisons between vehicles. The only way to do that is to put each vehicle through exactly the same laboratory test.

[@npoleary]

@dzonikg WLTP (their latest test procedures) are performed on the road now 🤓 The older ones NEDC weren’t

[@philipjones9458]

I've got a 12 month old Polo. It tells me one stretch of 30 that the limit is 5mph. Worse than that if I don't disable the steering it tries to pull the wheel out of my hands.

[@laughing_gnome]

My jag has "ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL" linked to the ISA. I was driving along the M1 at 70mph when I just passed a slip road and the waning came on it said 30 before I could turn it off the car braked to 30 very quickly. The car behind almost ran into the back of me the driver was blasting his hooter. So now I never use what could have been a very useful device

[@triage2962]

Had the same with a Golf on the no limit Autobahn and it read a 30km/h for a exit road... good thing there was not much traffic. Or it gets the speedlimit for a road that crosses the Autobahn below.

[@npoleary]

I’ve heard this happen before, normally a car should read the sign and then as a back up look at where it is via GPS on what road and realise you’re still on it and not change. Not sure how Jaguar’s system works though 🙏

[@olafbuitelaar]

I've the same issue with my mercedes a250, reading parallel road signs and just breaks. Its really hard to know the real speed of the road from a system perspective, and even if that can be perfected, you should be able to configure the car the eay you want to drive it. Otherwise it would be nice if manufacturers would allow you to install custom software, which would allow you to change these settings, this would potentially have all sorts of implications for insurance and accountability. On the other hand that would be insane compared to a car fron pre july 2024 not having any of this

[@TWINSUNS91]

Not sure about other manufacturers but for my previous Vauxhall and current Cupra, if I set the setting to 'visual warning' only, it will stay like that every time I turn the car on. So I just get an exclamation mark next to the speed limit sign and it blinks instead of an annoying sound.

[@npoleary]

For cars built after July this year, they now default to the sound as well :(

[@TWINSUNS91]

@npoleary Just wow... Guess that's something to look forward to when my car lease is up in a years time...

[@nickholland1494]

Most annoying bit for me is when you have the 20mph when lights flash say by a school, but not relevant at that time

[@npoleary]

Very true!

[@MJ-sg8ov]

Adding insult to injury is BMW over-reporting the actual speed by 3-5kph. You can be just inching up to an actual limit and the thing will alert. (Dealing with this on an Ineos here in the US as well, which as far as I can tell is using BMW-type logic.) It is mind numbingly idiotic to not let you silence it permanently. Perhaps aftermarket hackers will eventually be able to give us all relief. I have no problem with a visual-only alert - it's actually quite helpful - but of course we already have that more accurately provided by Waze, etc.

[@npoleary]

Yeah I find Waze is surprisingly accurate! It’s very good! 👍🏼 Strange about the over reporting bit though

[@MJ-sg8ov]

@@npoleary It may be a US-only thing done for liability reasons and not done elsewhere. They claim it is to account for people putting aftermarket wheel setups that would change the actual speed readout, which sounds like absolute nonsense given that the odometer is correct.

[@philipcubitt]

Hi Nick. The speed system on my S Class regularly initiates the brakes thinking I'm over speeding. I find this particularly annoying. There are locations on the M3 and A31 westbound where a minor road either runs parallel or underneath, to the road I'm on. The brakes are initiated because I'm doing 70 mph having just passed a 40mph speed sign. To prevent this I now either switch the system off in advance of the location or change from cruise control to "limit" in order to prevent sudden braking. I thought it was a Mercedes "thing" but your video clearly informs us its on most new cars thanks to Euro law. At least I now know of another way to switch it off. Ive watch a high number of your videos and learnt so much. Many thanks

[@npoleary]

Yes I’ve had a lot of messages over the past few months about this speed thing (Mercedes, Tesla, BMW etc) but it’s a regulation thing so they’re all the same. Glad you enjoy the videos! 🤓

[@davem9204]

That's a bit more than annoying, that's down right dangerous.

[@mikeamor619]

What you didn’t mention is the next stage of this system. The point of introducing it was not to help people but to control people. Once a few years has passed the next stage is to prevent the car going faster than the speed limit. At this point it will not be possible to switch it off.

[@solentbum]

What is your objection to driving within the speed limits?

[@TRPGpilot]

@@solentbum Not sure if you are serious or just dunce . . .

[@mikeamor619]

Where did I object? I merely stated the planned next stage.

[@npoleary]

So…yes theoretically the next step is for it take control of the speed. I’m all for that as I don’t agree with speeding however the issue is this: Driving down the motorway at 70mph. The car then decides to slow down to 15mph because it read a sign in the roadworks indicating 15mph. In its current state, that would be dangerous. It doesn’t know the difference between the motorway and the side of the road which is for roadworks, it just sees the sign. It needs to improve first before anything like that. I drive almost everywhere on a limiter I set myself. I have no problem with it as it stops me speeding accidentally. But to hand that off to a system which gets it right 80% of time…not today. Maybe in the future!

[@solentbum]

@@npoleary I have been driving cars with traffic sign recognition for six years now ,around 120k miles, not once has the system reacted to a sign not on the road I was on. There was a problem in the early days with 'phantom braking' which was caused by a faulty unit in the car. (replaced under warranty very quickly) , and occasionally it misses temporary speed limit signs by the roadside in road works. As I understand it any slowdown caused by reading a Traffic sign is in reality gradual, with time for a half decent driver to take appropriate action, who of course remains in control of the car at all times. Remember that the various systems have been under test for over 20 years to find problems naysayers describe.

[@gingertom2355]

Lane assist gubbins which attempt to drag one back towards the cyclist you're about to pass giving plenty of room. I rest my case. Downright dangerous.

[@WilliamBell-t8k]

Even more annoying is the feature which is meant keep you at a 'safe' distance from the white line. If it senses you are too close to it, it activates a system which controls the vehicle and steers it. I first encountered this in a hire car. The hire company told me about it and how to disable it. Nevertheless, each time I stopped it re-activated and I had to press a button to disable it. I found it to be infuriating.

[@SteveTulley]

Hi Nick love the vids how do you turn off the speed warning on a xc40 please?

[@npoleary]

Thank you! I know that some later Volvo’s have Android so I believe it’s on the main screen but there is a shortcut if I remember from a few months ago. Bottom right (Car symbol) Settings Controls Customisable button (under steering wheel controls) Then select speed limit warning Then you can toggle using the button on the wheel 🤓 It might vary from Volvo to Volvo, just trying to remember if that was on the EX30 or XC40 I tested.

[@RetroClinic]

Yes, Bleedin’ annoying! Thank goodness I bought my new car in January, and while it has this, it remembers that I turned it off. I actually find the speed limiter mode a lot more useful than annoying bongs. I often set it to 30 or 31 when around town, and it won’t let me go faster than that while it’s on.

[@npoleary]

Ah same I do that all the time Just saves me accidentally going faster, but I set it myself

[@cpuuk]

Last time I looked, we weren't in the EU, so why are we still beholding to EU regulations? We left the EU, lost all the access\ trade privileges, but kept all the restrictions- not clever. I found an issue with the lane departure in Cornwall: On the B roads the white line quite often will suddenly disappear as it goes into single track road, and do you know what the the car does, it jiggles the steering wheel trying to find it's way back to the "correct" part of the lane (which no longer exists). A quite alarming situation as you fight for control of the steering. All these new "safety" regs are putting the price of vehicles up. Also the new 2024 regs also state it requires at least 2 button actions to turn off any of these safety features.

[@GlynOC]

We don't have the resources to reinvent the wheel and come up with an entire different set of regulations, we'll just follow all the EU ones except now we don't have a say in it.....

[@ffotograffydd]

@@cpuuk Car manufacturers aren’t going to make special cars just for the UK. And if they did the price would shoot up for UK customers.

[@theelmonk]

Tbh we weren't subject to these things when we were in the EU either. That's not how the EU works., They provide specimen legislation and then the member country ratifies it - or not, as they wish. That's why, for instance, those dangerous DRLs are not mandatory despite being an EU recommendation for years. Ignore the brexiteer propaganda - they have no clue what they're talking about.

[@dashofawesome64]

@@ffotograffydd On the other hand. There making the same cars and software locking features that just have to be unlocked. So making it so it doesn't work in UK is easy.

[@ffotograffydd]

@ Why wouldn’t you want safety features? No responsible government is going to sign up to that.

[@mikecaird5554]

A journey that I make regularly during the summer ends with a 10mph sign, which the car recognises. After I restart the car, the 10mph limit is still applied - that is fine. But, there is no corresponding sign to show the higher limit when I go past the 10mph sign in the opposite direction. This is a private drive & the car assumes the 10mph limit applies until I leave the drive and rejoin the main road.

[@npoleary]

Ah yeah that makes sense! Good job in most cars it’s easy to turn off!

[@sinirliadam]

I wonder if sticking a black tape in front of the camera will do any good. I can gladly take other systems offline that use the camera as long as this thing never starts beeping.

[@npoleary]

I’d aide of the side of caution just because if you’re driving at say 50mph and the car can’t see and thinks you’re doing 0mph because the camera has no sight or it might see a bit of lane marking and decides to brake it might result in something happening like “correcting” and causing an accident. Maybe I’m just being overly cautious 😅 Maybe it just gives up? 😅

[@waynejohn8]

Thanks Nick, great video, great idea for a topic. What concerns me is that sometime in the future this information will be sent to the traffic department and then one would not be able to renew your license because it would say you have exceeded the speed limit 147 times this year, renewal application denied!!! 😅😅

[@npoleary]

Thank you! 🙏 Yes…I’ve heard in (I think it was the USA) some insurance companies were taking data from cars and increasing people’s premiums?! Because of the way they were driving…if that happened here in the UK, that would cause an uproar! You have a very good point though!

[@waynejohn8]

Exactly, I have heard the same thing. People are having their driving data sold, and are struggling hugely to get insurance cover. Scary!!

[@JackBeckman]

@@npoleary Fortunately, it's voluntary here in the US - you sign up and get a discount as long as you keep the dongle on your OBDII port AND it doesn't record any speeding, hard acceleration or hard braking. Of course, if you need to do any of those things to escape an accident, tough luck. Also here in the US we can turn that stuff off and it STAYS off. I find Lane Keeping Assist doesn't work well and is quite annoying so that gets shut off right away. In the Mercedes I leave the speed warning on but turn off the audio portion. I don't mind the occasional flashing of the speed limit sign, but the beeping has to go.

[@npoleary]

@JackBeckman, yeah it varies so much! Wish it would stay off. I have to turn it off on car reviews, it can randomly beep and then every one accuses me of speeding. Or I say it’s the car and people think there’s a problem with the car, it’s just how the tech works and due to the variations of driving as I mentioned in the video, it might not always work At least now I have a video to send people to if they ask 😅 well I will do when it goes live! 🤓

[@AnthonyKellett]

​@@JackBeckman- Not if you buy an Aston Martin DB12

[@PeterChapman-rg6gr]

Every change in the Road Speed Limit should, by law, have the requisite signs on both sides of the road. Also speed limit repeater signs must be positioned along every road if the set speed limit is either above 30Mph on roads with streetlights or below the National Speed limit of all other roads. Councils are also required, by law, to ensure that these signs are both Kept clean and with the appropriate sight lines and also correctly positioned.

[@npoleary]

Should be, some were definitely facing the wrong way round when I filmed 😅

[@elainebenes7971]

Automation technology will never be perfect which is why we can't rely on it.

[@madanto2394]

The only warning that is 100% is the blindspot symbol on the wing mirror.

[@geoffbuckley8637]

We regularly drive past a primary school which has a flashing 20mph sign when the kids are arriving and leaving - fair enough. But when it's not flashing my Toyota Yaris Cross still picks it up as the sign is very prominent; the car then constantly bongs at me even though I'm legally allowed to do 30 and might be doing just 22 or so. There are also a few side roads off the south circular in London where the limit is 20 but the main carriageway is 30 or even 40. The 20 signs are angled so that the car picks them up sometimes - bong, bong yet again.

[@npoleary]

Yeah that’s why I think we should be able to keep it off and enable it if we want to

[@marcgraciov]

Having it permanently off runs into the risk of turning it off (intended for a while) and forgetting about it. But I would agree it's paramount to have a very very easy way of turning it off for the current drive, this way if it misbehaves you can just quickly turn it off and it won't be a worse distraction than not having it. Also, not sure how exactly these work, but I hope they don't react immediately, i.e. only after 10-20 seconds or so of it detecting that you're speeding. This avoids it beeping at you in already stressful situations when you temporarily accelerate over the speed limit to pass someone, etc. Otherwise, honestly, I think it's a good safety feature, I myself have had occasions when I kinda drifted away and sped up a little bit, without noticing, I would much rather prefer the car warning me about it rather than getting a speeding ticket a couple of weeks later in the mail ;)

[@Richard-bq3ni]

On the Skoda Enyaq just 2 very soft beeps (and no more until you go under and above the limit again), with music playing you don't even hear it. Also it only starts warning when 5km or more over the speed limit. Switched of by 2 clicks. So overall, well done by Skoda. On the other hand, it is mistaken way too often. I agree that forcing these rules is stupid. Probably voted for by people that never used these systems or never drive at all because there sitting in the back.

[@npoleary]

That’s good with the the two clicks 👌🏼 Must be similar to Volkswagen as they’re almost the same partner company. Probably! 🤓

[@stephenharfield781]

On the A9 in Scotland there is an experimental 50 limit for lorries instead of 40, there is a sign to that effect and so many cars do 50 instead of 60mph, perhaps that is the reason. It’s really annoying.

[@mattwarner8273]

My issue in Australia is that it keeps reading the school zone which is 40kph. Which is fine if its during school times but flapping annoying during mid day, evening, weekends etc. So road should be 60kph but it constantly beeps at you. Round me there are loads of schools so its standard practice to now turn this off every time I drive.

[@GunnyPhillips]

I've heard of this "feature" but [to my knowledge] it has not been implemented in the US. California introduced legislation for it but it was defeated, possibly due to feedback from UK drivers.

[@amohsen9848]

I’ve seen the early version of over speed warning many decades ago as part of obligatory car specs. for all cars in Saudi Arabia but you get audible and visual warning once you exceed 120 km/h. This rule still valid.

[@dashofawesome64]

In japan there is a speed limit beep when going over 100kmh. I think sinds the 90s.

[@99ReasonsY]

Nick, how do u get notified in mbux merc , when drive assist is dis engaged. just like the tesla

[@npoleary]

For most driving assistant icons on Mercedes, If they are grey, they are off, if they are green they on 🤓 No sounds compared to Tesla though 😅

[@99ReasonsY]

@@npoleary they should add sound, so u don't crash, , bcoz can't keep checking if green or red, lol

[@maxx1nsane]

Next step is to enable the car to break when you go over the speed limit. Following step is to send police your details to get fined. They already sell your driving details to brokers and insurance companies, how hard would be to include the steps listed above?

[@dashofawesome64]

This is already done with drones last year. The drone has to send its precise location how high etc to. And a number who is the user. So self incriminating.

[@mardymarvin8441]

You should not force on a system where it does not work well. Even the manuals generally say something along the lines of "Dont rely on this tech as its not great and you cant blame us" so if the car manufacturers are saying it a nice idea but not reliable enough then it should not be forced on. Enable it be default when the car is sold but allow users to turn it off or perhaps ever few months a message to say are you sure you still want this tech off.

[@npoleary]

Yeah that sounds like a brilliant idea 💡

[@ZeerakImran]

I don’t want vehicles adhering to speed limits when the road that used to be a 60 is now 30 in my area and a road that is 60 has me doing 15 on it because anything over 25 would be stupid there. Yeah i know it’s not a target, but if it isn’t a target, then why have we got 20mph speed limits. If it’s supposed to be your fault in the end and you’re supposed to judge whats best then make it a 30 and let us judge. The fact that you were supporting speed limiters in the first place is the problem. Doesn’t even matter how effective their implementation is. Let people make mistakes then punish them for it. Stop restricting people from making mistakes and stop letting stupid people go unpunished. Have they done anything about crime in London? Drugs? Tell me where the hs2 is and why i was doing 0mph on the m25 the other day. Is the construction on the m25 ever going to be completed.. the point is, they’re making policies by the logic that you can’t trust one another. Of course that would be their approach since they themselves are not to be trusted. They assume they’re okay to be shady and in effect, shadiness is okay and so the only choice we have is to protect the consequences of terrible decision making. Instead of idk, punish those shady acts and people like the ones implementing this. Im not encouraging speeding, im encouraging the punishment of it where appropriate. Don’t punish everyone and ruin the country further by taking away any bit of happiness left.

[@jamiep3196]

I personally think the biggest issue with this technology, is the uk has so many cases of assumed speedlimit. Eg blue signs means its a motorway, 70mph unless told otherwise And street lit road is 30 unless specified otherwise. Cars can't pickup on these subtle details. Also after roadworks there is only 1 national speedlimit sign at the end so if the car musses it due to other tafiic, etc. Smart motoways are one of the worst things for this tech as in so many cases the sugns will show 40 or 50 mph limit, then the next 5 gantries will be switched off. Or they will omly put the national speed limit sign on one if the info borads off to the side which the car misses. Imo the only way this tech will wirk is if the government update the signage regulations to put more signs up eg motorways should have national speed limit signs on them at regular intervals.

[@npoleary]

Very true! Yeah some speed signs are on the info boards not the gantries which the car will miss.

[@jerry2357]

Actually, my Toyota Yaris seems to get the variable speed limits on the motorway right almost all the time, but on some local roads that are definitely 30 mph, it thinks that there's a 20 mph limit (it can't be reading road signs, because there aren't any).

[@mattwilliams9461]

My wife's car is a couple of years old (Nissan Juke) and has this system, but it's actually far better than my brand new car in that it lets you set the tolerance - so by default it would beep if you were 1 or 2 mph over the limit, but you can adjust that so that it doesn't start beeping until you're 5 or 10 mph over. That actually helps a lot with one particular road near where we live - it's a 30 going into a 40 limit, but there's a kind of side lane, barely separated from the main road that is access to a bunch of driveways that is speed limit 20. Every single time we drive down there, it reads the 20 sign, updates the limit to that, beeps at us, and then immediately sees the 40 sign and updates again. Took us forever to realise what the beeping was because it bascially covered its tracks afterwards.

[@SolveEtCoagula93]

My wife got caught out on this, but in a different way. She was so used to it's beeping and then adjusting her speed that she began to rely on the system as a way of letting her know when she was exceeding the speed limit. Sadly (?), the system failed to recognise a speed sign, and she only found out about it when she received her speeding fine. OK, so she has no defence, she should have been aware - but before you all throw stones, how many of us are perfect? All I am trying to say is that these systems may be starting to affect our driving behaviour with, perhaps, unforeseen consequences?

[@npoleary]

This is a topic I’m sure I will cover one day…all of these driver aids are really good…but… Are they making us better and more competent drivers? 🤔🤔🤔

[@SolveEtCoagula93]

@@npoleary Agreed. I'm old-fashioned and believe having the ability to reverse park my car is a skill that I don't want to lose. Hence, I won't use the auto park on my GLA. It's not just about parking, it's about being able to drive my car, competently, in reverse and having a feel for how the car behaves when going backwards. However, I totally accept that others will disagree with me. I think these issues would make for a good video.

[@davem9204]

That shows you what a bad idea this technology is. Your wife should have been reading the speed limit signs with her own eyes herself, so she would have known what the limits were. All this tech does is become a middle-man badly reading the signs for you and often giving you conflicting information - usually overloading the driver extra contradictory information. I often see drivers going at speeds well below the limit when it would be safe and normal to be going much faster. I do wonder whether they are now relying, and trusting, the tech to tell them the limit without looking for the road signs themselves?

[@npoleary]

Maybe! I see some slow drivers a lot more lately! Not saying I’m a boy racer, far from it in a 1.3L petrol 😂 but on a road that indicates up to 60mph, it’s nice to go 50mph and above, not 40mph.

[@SolveEtCoagula93]

@@davem9204 Well, get used to it - it will only increase as we move towards fully autonomous vehicles. It will only be a matter of time before humans will be considered too inept to be allowed to determine the behaviour of a vehicle as complex and dangerous as a car. Very soon (?), there will be no instrumentation showing what the car is doing - just a really fancy info system that most people will use to watch social media while they 'drive' to work, eating their breakfast and drinking their coffee. You may not like it - but it's coming!

[@MrGBH]

reminds me of a situation that happened in my Mother's new car. She was insisting that the road had a speed limit of 50, because that's what her car said. I had ridden down that road earlier that day and noticed the road signs saying 40. It wasn't until I pointed out the (Partially obscured) road signs that my Mother believed me and slowed down. This particular road has a local tip entrance on it, and often has queues due to this (Even though signs say not to queue on road, people still do), making driving at 50 incredibly unsafe.

[@233kosta]

My crystal ball predicts an uptick in road rage, brought on by all this annoying nonsense.

[@npoleary]

Maybe!

[@toxictony4230]

Had this feature on a couple of rentals I had in New Zealand. Combined with lane monitoring this became extremely distracting and ruined the whole driving experience. The I had a Swift first off and this had an existential crisis when I came round a corner to be met with standing traffic. 'We're gonna die' went the car complete with a animation of a frontend collision. 'I've got this!' I shouted back at the car along with a few expletives. Disaster was avoided safely. Happy motoring this is not. All this tech and no CD player. The future is bleak indeed.

[@jerrygamble8693]

I have 2 types of ISA on my Toyota Yaris & I like it. If I want it off I can turn it off & it stays off. The first is the regular beeper, which scans both sides of the road. My only quibble with it is that it can sometime be too sensitive by reading the Speed Limits in side roads as you go past them or even the Speed Limit Restricter signs on the backs of lorries. The second is the one that is built into the SatNav, which kicks in when you do 10mph over the limit, when it says "You are over the Speed Limit". This can also be turned off & left off if required. In my view, though, the best Safety Feature for Car Manufacturers would be to ban the dazzling LED Headlights which have been such a thing lately, making it so that you simply can't see the road directly in front of you.

[@Gopher31]

I like the traffic sign assist. I even quite like the visual warning. What I don’t like is that the incessant beeping! It’s also set by the speedometer so it’s beeping at you before you reach the speed limit.

[@JamesSullivan-r7x]

I drive a London bus and all modern vehicles have ISA which work with gps only. The ISA automatically reduces the speed limit of the vehicle. When the gps signal is obscured, it does revert to a normal drive. However it does rely on it being programmed correctly, and speed limit changes aren’t that accurate.

[@npoleary]

Hmmm yeah, GPS can be affected by the buildings etc and I’d imagine especially more so in London! Thanks for sharing! 🙏

[@barrywhite5899]

I’m sticking with older cars. I don’t know why a bloke sat in an office in Brussels needs to decide how fast I want to get to work in Bristol on Tuesday morning in October. If I want to do 40 in a 30, I know I’m doing it. I don’t need a bong

[@npoleary]

I don’t agree with speeding…however… I will say that some speeds for roads are far slower than they should be, reducing speed limits down to a snails pace. I sound like a boy racer, far from it in my 1.3L petrol! But some roads are just a lot slower than they used to be and it causes traffic tailbacks because cars aren’t flowing fast enough

[@davem9204]

@@npoleary So true, a lot of speed limits are utterly ridiculous now, and it just creates many more problems.

[@veritasaequitas9875]

If it can notify you it can notify the DVLA. How long will it be before you get a fine and points in the post?

[@MummaBear]

The main dealer can access this data at any point. Oh and they sell it to insurance companies ect

[@veritasaequitas9875]

@@MummaBear Bollox to that.

[@dashofawesome64]

When i ever get to the point i get a car with gps. I gone remove that and everything that annoys me.

[@ReaverPryde]

It's when you're on a motorway and a lorry has one of those speed limited stickers on the back of it that looks like a 50 road sign. Car suddenly goes wild thinking you'd doing 20mp over the limit. As an engineer it's another example of a nice idea, poorly executed. A lack of understanding of the real world conditions in which the system will be operated meaning it's annoying. So people turn it off, which means it's pointless and adds expense to an already expensive vehicle for a system that's disabled.

[@gregthompson3231]

Another great video Nick. Both of my 23 Mercedes have that feature, and I have turned the audio portions off. It still shows me the road signs and flashes if I’m going faster than I should, which is not often. Off-topic we are looking at a 25 GLC 300 E. I have senior videos on the Mercedes E’s, is it worth it to get the hybrid? Or save some money and stick with just gas.

[@npoleary]

Thank you! And thanks for sharing 🤓 For a plug-in hybrid, a couple of questions: - Do you have off road parking at home (to charge overnight) - Would you be willing to install a charger / get a charger installed? - What’s your average daily mileage? If you can’t do any of the above or you have high daily mileage, it can still work, it’ll just mean it’ll take a bit more work. In the most ideal world, you wake up every day, fully charged, and drive within the car’s electric range (or most of it) and charge it back up each night to see the most savings. When you’re on electric it could be half the cost of fuel. So then it’s just a balancing act of if it’s worth spending more on a plug-in hybrid vs an ICE car. But some models are the same price which is cool!

[@gregthompson3231]

@@npoleary Sorry for the delay. We have 3 car garage with our new Mercedes, however this one would be on the driveway, so yes. Our 3rd bay is pre-wired for an EV. Daily mileage is an embarrassing 10 miles. We both work from home, and only use a car for errands. So I think it could work out just fine.

[@npoleary]

That’s alright! 👍🏼 Ah nice! 👌🏼

[@antWales1]

My BMW warning is set to flash but no sound and that’s ok, but I regularly find it showing the wrong speed limit. I tend to use cruise control set at a couple of mph over the limit which results in the speed limit sign not flashing. The lane assist feature was vicious, so I have set to the mildest level, this tugging at the steering wheel if it thinks you are wandering towards a white line. Worst of all is the crash avoidance system which actively brakes and ‘shouts’ at you with an alarm and the dash turning red if you drive too quickly through a series of tight bends. Scares you to death.

[@chrisbwhittle]

Intelligent Speed Assist. I always turn off. ISA it’s not so intelligent, having an audio warning blaring out when on a 70mph road because the car thinks it’s a 10mph. Lane Departure Warning. Always turned off after a number of occasions when it tried to steer me into a cars in the lane next to me and finally when the car tried to steer me into a cyclist. The annoying thing is that these have to be turned off every time I start the car A week ago I had a puncture, having fitted my spare I was unable to turn off the warning saying I had low pressure flashing for 90 miles (In reality my spare was high at 60PSI) The previous week I was driving in Somerset when for no reason the brakes activated and “Braking” appeared on the Head Up Display. The driver behind me was not a happy bunny, the air turned blue.

[@npoleary]

Yes although all of these things are clever pieces of tech, it is vitally important for every owner to know each car’s limitations. And…they’re all different! Might have to do a video on this one day, but as driving assistance tech is introduced more and more some people out there will assume and/or trust their car to do a certain thing. When in reality and certainly today, it is an assist system that gets it right most of the time. There have been countless example of brake assist systems saving lives which is brilliant. And I’m all for that. But if a carrier bag flies in the wind in front of the car…the car just sees you approaching an object very quickly. It doesn’t know the difference between a rear bumper of a car and a piece of plastic floating in the air. With most systems like that it just knows an object is approaching very quickly. Some manufacturers are better than others at that though.

[@michcookies]

I bought a new car this year after having to get rid of my old car which was 9 years old, so nothing fancy in it. The first time the steering wheel fought with me with on lane assist freaked me out. I was moving back in after an overtake so didn’t signal, and the car didn’t want to let me. When it goes over a certain MPH it would kick in and it was tug the wheel from me. A lot of times when leaving car parks my car wouldn’t see the new speed limit so it would think I was massively over the limit (say the car park was 5mph and the new road is 30mph) and the beeping drove me nuts. Now when I leave for anywhere I have to turn off limit warning, lane assist, and steering assist. It’s a pain in the ass.

[@clivefrear1784]

One of the most hazardous features of newer cars - which are having ever more safety requirements standardised - is a touch-screen mounted, invariably, centrally! The actual amount of time your eyes and concentration are focused away from the road is quite scary!

[@ffotograffydd]

@@clivefrear1784 which is why some manufacturers are sticking with manual buttons where possible. They can’t win though because people complain about those too.

[@jonny-yc1kz]

Good news new Range Rover has a button on the steering wheel to turn it off, bad news is that the Speed warning and thus ASL will also keep reading or not reading signs. I like to keep ASL on as it prevents me from speeding, but it sometimes gets confused, and defaults to 19mph, there are no 19mph speed limits in the UK! This can be dangerous and confusing for cars following when for no apparent reason you start slowing.

[@npoleary]

Oh that is weird…19mph? What an odd number!

[@theelmonk]

Aftermarket product opportunity : a box that sits on CANbus and performs a programmable sequence of operations when it sees a trigger condition. Example : car is started, response is the sequence of button presses turning off all the undesirable misfeatures.

[@sonnylatchstring]

Great feature. Likewise should all traffic lights that are approached above the speed limit turn red immediately.

[@ceecrb1]

This week I collected my brand new cupra. It's full of driver assistant aids etc etc. The first thing I said to my wife is that our son, who is just a few years from learning to drive will NOT be learning in that car as he'll never actually learn. The car does too much for him to learn to read the road himself.

[@npoleary]

Very true! I thought that once when I saw some one learning in a Mercedes that I could tell had the package that has all of the driver aids. I was like are they actually learning? 😅 But…could be wise to integrate that into learning what the driver aids are several lessons in and what they do, what to look out for and their limitations and how to turn them off 👍🏼 that’s just my thought. I don’t think that l’ll be bad idea. But yeah not when initially to learn!

[@jerry2357]

To me, the most annoying feature in my new(ish) Toyota Yaris is the lane assist feature, which tries to keep you in lane. But if you're steering to avoid a hazard, such as a pothole or parked car, you sometimes have to fight it. To me, this is more dangerous than not having this "feature". I've found that the speed limit system often says 20 mph on roads that actually have a 30 mph speed limit.

[@dan13jb]

As a motorcycle rider, you have my sympathies. This tech hasn't reached us yet, and as many of our bikes still have a manual kick start in the case of battery failure, we may be protected by electrical incompetence for some time yet!

[@lindastevens6861]

So the car is watching where you go😮

[@PixelVibe42]

Great video, and thanks for covering this! Lately, I\ve been browsing Car and Classics - and have decided whatever my next car is, I’ll probably go for a 40 year old classic. No warning systems! I’m really taken by 2 cars at the moment - an immaculately maintained and original XR3i, or - my dream car - an Abarth 131 Mirafiori Racing in Olio Fiat red livery ❤❤❤

[@npoleary]

Glad you enjoyed it! Ah very nice! Yeah no warning systems at all! 😅

[@richardharvey1732]

Hi Nick O'Leary, many years ago a very good friend of mine made a very good point , he told me that as far as he understood the speed limits in this country are limits, not targets. There was atime when I made a point of driving as fast as I possibly could regardless of pothe traffic and those limits, back then most of the cars and vans I drove were not powerful enough to really get me into trouble, the odd speeding ticket from time to time and a couple crashes that I might have avoided if going less fast. There were some trips that I did where I could reasonably claim to have reached my destination sooner than maybe otherwise but over the years I found it only made a real difference if traffic was relatively light. These days the roads are mostly much more busy and driving more carefully and a bit slower actually gets me where I am going in about the same time but significantly less stressed. This in spite of the fact that my car now is so much more powerful than those earlier models. At the same time I do admit that many of these new gadgets fitted to modern vehicles can be unduly irritating, I am very pleased with the one I have now, still just under fifteen years old, is the first one for a while without that silly pointless reversing warning beeper that starts too soon and ends too early, it was only that last few centimetres that mattered, a device that tells you that you are half a metre away and then goes continuous just when you really need it with eight inches to spare is about as useful as a chocolate teapot!. All is still not quite right of course because this one insists on telling me that I have a flat tire!, as if I cant feel that in the steering. Given the number of other drivers I now see determined to exceed the speed limit, in spite of the fact that all they can do is hang on my tail at that limit I suggest that what we really need is an average speed allowance that permits slight excess sometimes on condition of equivalent under-speed elsewhere so that if you are willing to creep around town below the limit you will be able to go a bit quicker out in the open. The idea here is that this device actually limits the speed of the vehicle and cannot be disabled, it could include the standard safe distance regulator as well. Cheers, Richard.

[@npoleary]

Thanks Richard! Yes you’re absolutely right! They are limits not targets 🤓 But even still, I was driving and reviewing a car yesterday that said 40mph on a motorway (this was on the instrument cluster). And yet the multimedia system said 70mph. And the actual motorway said 70mph too. No roadworks. So it was still beeping even if you’re doing 60mph. Had to turn it off.

[@richardharvey1732]

@@npoleary Hi N Poleary, thank you for this reply, it seems that there are two separate issues in play here, one is the underlying principles of compliance the other is the functional integrity of the 'new' technology. It is the second one that is clearly important to you and I do think that our current cultural acceptance of 'Caveat Emptor' allows the makes and suppliers of faulty equipment more or less immune form penalty, it being up to the customer to ensure that the product is actually fit for purpose. I do understand that reversal of that assumption would cause a great deal of industrial and retail disruption but I do not think that should be treated as justification for continuing with a fundamentally corrupt ideology. What I am suggesting is that it is the general public who must insist on better service, the makers and suppliers lack serious motivation as things are to make any sensible improvements. Cheers, Richard

[@apolloxgod]

Love the way you take the time to tell us even how to turn it off. Another good one, Nick. Cheers!!

[@npoleary]

Thank you! Special thanks to the local dealers and press offices of the car manufacturers for allowing me to film in their cars! Wouldn’t have been able to do the how to turn it off bit without them!

[@gordoncorbett557]

It is the most irritating function on my GLE however your hint on how to disable via the mute button will be my go to every time.

[@npoleary]

Yeah I didn’t realise you could do that until researching it Very speedy way to do it! 🤓

[@BodyMindSoulwithChris]

@@npoleary the ony trouble is it stops the beep but doesnt stop the speed symbol flashing on the dashboard , that can only be done through the menu. Highly annoying to the point i want to send my Mercedes GLC back !

[@bikes_camera_more]

The issue I have is not when it tells you the speed limit is less than it actually is, but when it's the other way round. I regularly go down a dual carriageway (limit 70) onto the slip road and up to the roundabout (limit 50) then exit from the roundabout onto a road where Iknow the limit is 30mph. But, the car continues to tell me it's a 50 limit for the next 1/2 mile. If (when?) adaptive speed controls are imposed, there's going to become complacency with drivers relying on their cars to tell them what the limit is. Wrongly. That's dangerous and may result in offences of breaking limits. I'm sure the police would accept the 'I was doing what my car told me the speed limit is' explanation.

[@npoleary]

Haha true but it’ll be the same for all driver aids. Most cars have auto lights, but if you haven’t got your lights on, that’s your fault. Today in 2024 the driver is responsible for everything 🤓 But yeah I can see that happening! 😅

[@Manu-Official]

That's why I'm sticking to cars I can tune myself. Had a Mercedes for 10 days, the safety distance warning blinking did my head in (been driving 33 years, one parking ticket to my record)

[@npoleary]

How close were you then? 😅 For my car it comes one when you’re pretty close (although actually come to think of it I have adjusted a couple of settings in mine so it might be different)