NRL Grand Final REACTION: Are Penrith The Best Team EVER? Where does Nathan Cleary Rank?

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Willie Mason & Justin Horo present Levels Podcast, twice a week reviewing & previewing all the NRL games also giving their best tips.
Willie Mason is a former Kangaroo and NSW representative, is considered one of the most successful front rowers in NRL history. In 2004, he was a part of the famous 'Dogs of War' team that won the Grand Final, and he also received the Clive Churchill Medal during that match.
Justin Horo is a former NRL player who played 120 games for Parramatta and Manly from 2010 to 2015. In addition to playing in the UK Super League, he also represented the New Zealand Māori team.
00:00:00 Grand Final Day Recap
00:06:48 Ponga & SJ KZbin Comments
00:17:05 Levels Hats & Premium Hoodie Available Now
00:20:08 NRL Kangaroo's Reunion Recap
00:23:03 Freddy Steps Down From NSW
00:31:33 KZbin Questions
00:46:51 Mason's DAWG: Leota
00:49:31 Nathan Cleary - DAWG & Where Will He Rank?
00:56:53 Kempy's ‪@BlokeInABar‬ DAWG
00:57:57 Where Does Ivan Cleary Rank Coach Wise?
01:02:53 NRLW Grand Final Recap
01:07:00 NRL Grand Final Recap

[@Jin-jc2wk]

I gotta say i love that Willie recognised what a straight up dog Luai is playing with the bad shoulder and trying to make it though the GF while the media try to paint him as the bad guy. Luai has been so integral on this 4 year run but haters gonna hate!

[@leshgooo1016]

Hit the nail right on bro. I’m a bronc supporter but man that guy cops a lot of hate for little things. He is one mentally tough guy for all the crap he cops. He was a big part of the 3 peat.

[@LxToranaHatchy720hp]

Luai gave his premiership ring away to a struggling fans family.

[@Jin-jc2wk]

@@leshgooo1016 100% man! I'm all for fans of the game having their favourite/non favourite players, it's part of the game but when the media perpetuate this bias vitriol against players and specifically Luai it just becomes unnecessary. I love what he does for the Riff, he does what Draymond Green does for the Warriors in terms of bringing the energy and being that guy for the team. Love that new media, like this podcast keep it legit and real, instead of some other forms of media that seem to have an agenda.

[@VeeBianca_xo]

FACTS! Luai is a clown at best LOL but when push comes to shove, Luai is that guy! him and other integral players have helped Penrith become the team that they are today! And big ups to the coaches training up the juniors to be the best club

[@Leonytis]

100% Luai has been a huge part of that team! cleary has had his fair share of injuries throughout the seasons.. and Luai has stepped up everytime he needed to.. and when cleary returned Luai went straight back to his supporting role, never over plays his hand, and knows exactly when to feed his edge.. That origin game where nsw won by 50.. Luai took the pressure and made sure Latrell and To'o got clean ball early to do their thing.. Under rated and most hated lol but he seems to thrive on it lol

[@SlaintheMhath]

The treatment of Luai is disgusting, thanks for calling it out Willie. Loving the show guys, best breakdown of the GF and interesting points I missed.

[@tytutu9625]

Yeah bra they hate on Luai the same way they hate on Latrell because they aren’t pushovers and are very outspoken people who don’t take crap from no one!

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

Luai gets more hate than Munster (a guy who kicks and knees everyone) why? Because Luai is not white and Australian

[@st6086]

Reece Walsh can also be grubby (he’s a young bloke, I know) but he doesn’t cop it the same as Luai. I don’t think the NSW standover thing helped his cause. I also don’t think it’s got to do with the colour of his skin though. I for one like him.

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

@@st6086 facts, Australians are racist

[@SlaintheMhath]

@@themanwithnothingtolose Luai is Australian, Mt Druitt boy born and bred but I reckon skin colour does come into it for some people.

[@joeyclark3995]

Rugby League is the greatest game on planet earth. The standard of football played this season was sensational but that GF the other night was fuckn PHENOMENAL!!! I'm so glad I was born into a family where Rugby League RULED. The Kiwis & The Otahuhu Leopards were #1 & the AB'S were #2. I LOVE ❤ RUGBY League & I love LEVELS. UP SCOPE, UP Wiremu Mase & UP DA WAHS!!!

[@taupirimea3774]

Daaaaaam Broncos just needed a FORWARD PASS to win 👀 😅😂😅

[@tmdeano666]

How many GFs did Cronk win?

[@Monkeyboy2457]

The quality of play this year has been amazing. Definitely a golden era, with so many great teams.

[@VeeBianca_xo]

Yeah the Otahuhu Leopards lol Rugby League this year was the best season ive seen thus far!

[@davidduffin1580]

I've been watching since 72, and this year's footy is up there with the best ever.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

The Cogger captains challenge wasn't an awful captains challenge, Penrith was a bit rattled losing players all over the place at that point and it allowed them to regather themselves for a moment. And it broke the momentum of the Broncos just enough

[@yeahcurtis232]

yep, broncos fan here. 2015 and now 2023.. absolutely devastating. feel for the players

[@Roronoa_Zoro_Official]

My dawg of the week was Turuva, when we were down and fatigued he kept running that ball with everything he had and hes a rookie

[@paulywalnutz5855]

52:40 it wasnt just that. penrith for 60 minutes didnt even LOOK like scoring a try, they got one try that was just a fluke. they were probably the better team for much of the game in terms of winning the grind but were offering little in attack. the broncos had 6 linebreaks to 0!!! it looked like the broncos were about to pump them by 40!!! the panthers were that much on the backfoot it was ridiculous. for nathan to turn that around and win them the game with just sheer relentless will is unbelievable

[@noelwebb6843]

What game were you watching, broncos only looked like scoring when given a gluteny of possesion from the ref & penrith were kept back a very big 10,the broncos first try they got should never have been awarded he was short his elbow may have touched the line but the ball didnt

[@aniruru..2968]

Yes Nathan is ..and soo gracious with it...Not like that noisy blimmin...Look at moi... Look at moi.. Lui Luai..🤧🤣🤣

[@leshgooo1016]

The player that no one has mentioned is sorenson. He doesn’t come away with the ball in those last second who knows broncos could’ve scored. That was a big play.

[@paulywalnutz5855]

im a doggies fan and with 20 to go it looked like the panthers were gonna gte pumped and i said to me mates "if critta has a strong final 20 ill be happy" and wowsers. it was probably the second best 20 minutes in gf history behind nathan he was that clutch

[@AHuri505]

Critter is a beast, best centre in the comp

[@rawiriheke1855]

Cheers for answering the question boys! Appreciate it

[@michaeljoblin873]

Hoodie ordered! Can’t wait for it to arrive. Thank you guy, for all your hard work behind the scenes. Love the podcast

[@levelsnetwork]

Thank you brother!!

[@jackcroucher6248]

Hey boys, love your work. Was a pleasure to meet you on the weekend after the GF. I’m sure I speak for a lot of people when I say we appreciate you guys get in amongst the crowd and taking the time to talk to us fans. If you’re ever on the Central Coast let us know and we can tee-up a run. Cheers

[@dododoodoodo5400]

Just got another sub boys loved watching you guys doing your thing after doing your thing playing legends

[@teaspoons5942]

I'm glad you boys liked my suggestion about a ratings system. When you look at Edwards, who probably missed a few games only and averaged between 7-9 every week he would finish the season with something like 200 points where as Kaylan might have got 90 points during the 10 game streak they went on and only 60 points in the other games he played with 7-8 he didn't play meaning he would finish with 150 and most likely finish about 10-20th in the player of the year. Guys like Walsh if they have a blinder will always have more of an impact on a game but someone like Reynolds could steer the team perfectly, kick perfectly, make his tackles, feed his centre's, kick his goals and get a 9 without doing the special things but execute his role perfectly. Same with a Cam Mcinnes, he could make only 80 run meter's but with 60 tackles, no misses, huge effort areas and get a 9 just like Hynes who might get 1 try and 3 assists in the same game.

[@gregoryrichardson107]

Mase for nsw coach has everything we need

[@RAM_845]

F-Bombs are great motivation too lol

[@SlaintheMhath]

You would have to mad to take it on, the media are like a pack of rabid dogs.

[@Junz1105]

Would you say this Penrith team is one of the best teams assembled in NRL history?

[@JohnIsYoDaddy]

I reckon their team last year was probably their best of the 3peat

[@endub2207]

YES

[@ryanway9346]

Hmm.. I would say that Storm team with Cam, Billy, Cronk, inglis etc is probably better on paper/ talent-wise, BUT this Penrith team has better tactics/strategy and better consistency than any team ever (in my opinion)... Guess you gotta credit the coaching staff at Penrith

[@dododoodoodo5400]

Their team mentality will go down as best ever dare I say it CULTURE lol

[@VeeBianca_xo]

To lose such integral players each year and STILL make it to the GF - the team they assemble each year since they've been in the GF has been phenomenal ! @@JohnIsYoDaddy

[@sushi8217]

A Dynasty i can agree, imagine they win next year, it'll be the greatest team ever, our time, wow 😮

[@SlaintheMhath]

Ivan is at home working on number 4.

[@burtrito]

Buzz agrees with you, Scope! Cleary is a future immortal!

[@ngx.k]

quick thought, instead of a run, would the boys be open to maybe a team sports day ? (bball, oz tag, volleyball) and sell merch or something and everything made that day go to a charity of the winning teams choice.

[@rondawgs4162]

The PTSD is real 😭

[@jefferycecil765]

WARRIORS have put application in for the NRLW

[@Moneyalmenial]

2025 though I think. Getting SG Ball sorted first

[@dlmjr]

LEVELS & Bloke In A Bar are the greatest footy podcasts out. Any footy fan not following is missing out!

[@tytutu9625]

LEVELS > BLOKE IN A BAR… Levels will surpass Bloke in a bar in subs because people that watch rugby league podcasts want to hear ex players point of views, that have been there, that have played those games, won GF’s, won Clive Churchill’s, represented their countries, represented their state and have been the best players in the NRL during their era’s!

[@robinheka4390]

Love to see you fullas at the pacific footy games in NZ. You fullas would rock it!!!

[@bigginsmith6252]

Final try is over/under appreciated from every commentary I've seen. It was proper set up by the 2 plays beforehand. Hit the same blokes in defence that Nath ran past, fatigue on fatigue! Which panthers had been doing all year. The up n in defence from the edges a significant ploy to rattle panthers attack was very evident in the first 10 rounds this year, to counter that came the turn under mentality. Cant believe zero footy media identified this! Just shows they only care about the flash n flare to get views. The reason Panthers been so successful is they made a game of doing the 1% mundane important things right.

[@Emw98]

Glad you guys addressed the SJ/KP KZbin comments. Was good to hear more of your opinion around it, as a fan I think that’s what I was wanting in that original episode. Agree with Willie regarding playing 80% of games

[@harrystark8918]

Carrigan bounced off Leota because he tried to do that pec hit tackle he did on Wighton on Origin debut. I don't know what to call that tackle but I've only seen him do it. It's like a pec slam. He missed on Leota but I saw him connect later on JFH and Leota so 2/3 for the night

[@Swip3rr]

Hahaha Willie giving it to Horos boys at the end there was funny as, keeping it real for sure. Penrith fan and Cleary shouldve for sure been taken out there on that last try

[@GazzaNepz]

Love how the OG calls it how it is.

[@Jaime_nz]

I've noticed how Penriths inside players backpedal alot to give the ball runner space to cut back inside, they do it all the time

[@helenivanic1628]

I guess the Broncos didn’t read the memo where the Panthers have came back from 14 down against Storm or the Roosters. They scored 3/4 tries in 17mins too. Broncos Reece Walsh had no business being in a GF. He’s the reason they lost. The Panthers knew he was the weak one and went after him.

[@ngx.k]

aye boys great poddy this week love the content always. another 2 quick questions, 1. there’s alot of inconsistencies in the calls and rules, with refs calling something one week and then letting it play the next (for example the play on cobbo from tito) if you were apart of head office what rule/s would you implement or bring back to make the game more consistent ? 2. we always talk about the best coaches and the best players, i just wanna know who are your guys top 5 greatest teams of all time ? love the poddy boys not a podcast watcher but still haven’t missed one, UP THE WAHS AND UP THE LEVELS ❗️

[@freelancerconverse4413]

That body science banner, Willie Mason looks like a buffed up Jarryd Hayne.

[@maximus15gsp16]

Hi boys, loving the show! Answered my question on the bench through talking about #14 haha another question: knowing you guys don’t need to read it because your both onto it!haha I heard Mace mention players he saw some good players coming through the Warriors. Do you think you guys can mention some young talent or players you think will have breakout seasons next year? God bless brothers 🙏🏾❤️

[@benjaminkendall2520]

Hey legends! Long time listener, love all the content that your putting out! Just wanting to know is there any basic shape X’s & O’s play book out there? Keen to see more on unders and overs & plays that attack the 3&4man for example. Just wanna nerd out some more. Or a little whiteboard session with you two on the topic. Where you have examples on a passage of play from a classic game, like 04 GF play or a Origin play. Cheers for the in depth footy yarns!

[@Youreabxtch]

Two Goats 🐐

[@faithsimanu1032]

Love the poddy boys!! Just want your thoughts on should the players do an athletics day in the off season where they compete in 100m races ect and all money going to charity?

[@hotbaggrapes386]

Ivan having he’s better than lego moment

[@Beauskibeau]

Up the pahsssssssssssssssssss

[@josephiosefa2276]

Nathan is starting to understand he has the power now his realises he the goat

[@paulheathwood7193]

Willy so refreshing to hear your comments. You say it the way it is no bullshit fear or agendas. I might not agree with everything but its so good to hear your truth and holding up the banner for free speech . 100% respect to that champion😊👍🙏

[@shaneooooo6468]

Ivan has to be up there as a top tier coach. What he's done with Penrith for sure, but he did it at the warriors, built them up all the way to a gf and if he'd stayed (stupidest decision the warriors made by not offering him a longer contract) they may have gone up another level and gone on their own run.

[@danielalterator]

Idea for the pod post season. Willie and scope doing reactions of highlight videos of themselves in the NRL and getting their thoughts.

[@FiftyCircles]

6:13 Both 2015 and 2023 GF games both came down to the Broncos number 7 making a crucial error that lead to the killer blow for both losses. Ben Hunt dropping the ball off the kick off in OT and Reynolds missing the tackle on Cleary. That's gotta hurt the fans and the players

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

Cleary's try wasn't Reynolds fault, Jordan Riki left a huge gap for Cleary to run into.

[@Barry_Matthews]

Yeah both of you are right and the fullback was caught standing still, I don't think you can blame one person

[@jimmy_read]

couple questions regarding the koori ko lads, did yous watch much of it and if so who stood out for you that perhaps the fans might need to keep an eye on in nrl systems and also what are your thoughts on nrl talent going back to play in these tournaments? surely nrl higher ups are lowkey bricking it their superstars are gonna get hurt or get caught in headlines ie josh addo carr/trell, love your work keep up the elite content 🫡

[@cameronapostolovski7]

Panthers 2021-23 best team in the modern era. Dragons 1956-66 greatest team of all time winning a record 11 premierships in a row, having 4 immortals in the team and going undefeated in 1959 while going over 2 years undefeated at home.

[@SlaintheMhath]

Dragons had the dollars and it was all about dollars, they could buy the side the wanted.

[@tytutu9625]

Are we really gonna compare that league back then to the league now lol? It’s not even the same league! There weren’t even 10 teams in that league back then and salary caps weren’t even thought of back then which means that’s why they were able to afford 4 immortals in the one team for so long

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

The comp was a farmers league before the Salary Cap was introduced. Before the Salary Cap was introduced, the competition was only won by a handful of teams. Mostly the dragons, Rabbitohs and Roosters. It isn't how it is now where every team has a equal chance of winning. Even winning a Premiership 2 in a row is hard enough because once a team wins the comp their players will want a pay rise because they've proven themselves to be the best in their position, but the club can't afford to give them that while remaining under the Salary Cap so the club is forced to let go of players and other teams swoop in to sign them. hence 1998 until the roosters 2019 no team has ever won the comp 2 years in a row. It took sharks 50 years to win it because they weren't one of the "Big Teams" back then. That is why this is such a big achievement because Penrith have established one of the best youth and scouting system where they can afford to lose their star players and can replace them easily. The only team that did this and came close to this was the storm when they went to 4 consecutive grand finals (06,07,08,09) and won 2 (07,09) however they were caught cheating the cap

[@warrenseiboth3466]

They had no salary restrictions back then

[@MJBOGAN]

Nathan is the beneficiary of ivans brilliance

[@josephiosefa2276]

2009 Haynes puts turbo in his back pocket

[@warrenseiboth3466]

But turbo is not in jail

[@alanmatthews8291]

Love your work boys 🙏🏾💯. You guys deserve more then Hindu and fletch shit brothers! Keep striving brothers I’m down for sponsorships lads !!

[@itsfqndave]

Calling Hindmarsh Hindu is fkn hilarious 😂😂😂

[@jaydenlowe5912]

Scope and the triple og, what are your thoughts on the payne hass hip drop in the 10th minute, we have seen the nrl crack down on hip drops and because clearly played on without a fuss it seems payne only copped a 1000$ fine, no hate towards payne ofcourse

[@jaysneddon584]

Unfortunately the panther skins that were advertised for sale,hit a slight glitch.They were better faster than we thought.However there's still a few bronco skins available. Good win Panthers,And great game both teams........that last ten min,yep yep yep,clearly clear .bloody proud dad ivan.

[@ParhelionOfficial-gi7ik]

Hey Guys love the podcast, super objective, also love that its not super spine centric ! Here is a question, I know the idea of a draft is a swear word in rugby league but what are your thoughts if you could create a draft system to distribute talent without robbing clubs who have really solid pathway systems ? e.g. A player who doesnt have a top 30 contract, or a player coming from super league can enter the draft - players drafted have a minimum and maximum $$ value on a fixed term (2 years) these players dont impact the salary cap ? Its a punt but you might find a roughy that turns into the next big thing without speculating your salary cap !

[@maseplacidflow6255]

hey guys, do you think Flegler's HIA cat 3 was faked ? he went off around normal sub time, saved a sub and came back good as new and scores the try.

[@davidd1492]

In regards to the dally m. How does Ivan Cleary not been coach of the year after 202? 3 minor premiership s and 3 premiership sin a row. With the players and the coaching staff that has lost, is a remarkable achievement. Yet still isn’t coach of the year. Really? And Im a luckless Parramatta fan, but a league fan as well and you have to give credit where it is due. If you coach a team to a premiership, then back it up to another grand final. Then IMHO there can only be one coach of the year. But alas there are way to many agendas in the game today.

[@joeyboy7979]

If they did the average rating system for Dally M. Brian To’o would be 4 time Dally M winner

[@ReeceJackson_92]

Boiz Loving the Content I listen to you boiz on spotify while I work Question? Cowboys supporter here and I've seen the fight card for the Battle Of The Reef. Can u put in a little preview of the fight card I'm very keen on your boyz thoughts. Jamie That Merch Is 🔥

[@mitch1729]

Scope thoughts on what walters should have done to, reynolds misses the first , then ricki and walsh miss out back, but wanna hear your thought did billy miss his man or was he in the right spot cause he was next man up post beating reno

[@gibsonbass6900]

Ask Mason about the 2004 liberty bell cup USA vs AUS. Were all the boys hung over? Why were you down 24-6 at half time and what was it like play rugby league on a American football field?

[@ceazer_aykay_one4713]

Nathan cleary had his knee torn in the first 20 minutes of the game from a deliberate hip drop tackle😂.... so to critique him for those missed tackles when he was limping is a shit go lol... he absolutely thrashed brisbane when the cortisone kicks in. Hes litterally in a leg brace as we speak😂 And to know he did what he did on one leg is phenomenal... and the media etc have downplayed it so much!... the same media that sucked on sam burgess for playing with a fractured cheek bone🫢

[@b7nxy577]

With the international footy will u be watching the England vs Tonga series and the Superleague Playoffs

[@josephiosefa2276]

4 peat coming gus Gould said they will get like 5 or 6 rings bro

[@rgw5830]

And Stephen Crichton played beside Luai the whole time he was on the field, tackling with him and for him. their matching blue trainers in step. Interestingly - with intelligence and wisdom - Isaiah Yeo spoke better of Critta's contribution to the Panthers, than Ivan and Nathan put together. Gus and Cameron's gain.

[@Lalazus30]

Respectfully, Scope reaching with the immortal dribble bred. Nathan Cleary is an all timer already 100%, but he's got a ways to go to jump your Thurston's, Cam Smith's, Billy Slater's and Darren Lockyers. Overreaction Monday/ Tuesday 😂✌🏾

[@DinkyDiTruBlu]

True.

[@claudiusatlas8083]

Agreed, you can’t claim immortal status until you’ve dominated Origin - and done so for a long time. Cleary been in the NSW setup now for 5 years, he still looks like it’s his first day.

[@homestarronny]

boy I get sick of morons who don't know shit. Here's some fun facts for ya, Cleary has won 3 origin series, out of those 4, TECHNICALLY you could say Lockyer was a part of 4 origin series wins by the same age, but with 2 of those series as draws, and especially one of the series he ONLY played in the drawn game, yeah I'm only giving him 2 series wins. 3 each for the other 3, same as Cleary. And they probably had better players in their origin teams than what Cleary has in his teams. Cleary has more state of origin points than smith and Thurston combined when they were at the same age (same with NRL points..... seeings how Thurston is all time origin point scorer and smith is all time NRL point scorer, this is pretty damn impressive) At the same age those 4 have 4 state of origin man of the matches, 1 apiece. Cleary has 2. Let's not even get into the fact that Cleary would have 4-5 series wins if refs could do their jobs properly. Cleary has unluckily been getting injuries around state of origin time which isn't helping him. And he still has better numbers than any of those 4. Any talk about Cleary not performing for state of origin is such a load of shit. Let us not forget that if he didn't have an injury for game 3 2021, Cleary would have destroyed qld for 3 games in qld in the 1 series. All these morons love to forget about that one. The only thing that stops Cleary from eventually being the undisputed greatest of all time is injuries. He is even ahead of smith at the moment for NRL games played at the same age. And that SHOULD be a record that NOBODY breaks because it is absolutely fucking ridiculous, the amount of luck smith had with avoiding serious injuries in his career is actually unbelievable

[@reecekerr629]

Hey boys, day 1 listener first time comment. Just wanna start by saying love the content and the different perspectives you both have to other anylists. Just want to float a suggestion about NSW potential coach. I wonder if assigning someone like Gal as coach who has relevance to the current crop of blokes and maybe get an assistant in cordner who are both recent ex captains? Love to hear the thoughts. Cheers boys

[@jamesiopu8624]

Nah just in the future when nick names are mentioned during your chats i sometimes wonder who you are talking too that’s all. Thanks again bro 😊👍

[@paulheathwood7193]

Willy put your hand up to coach nsw your a natural and you have the passion

[@abrahamvoigt6706]

Awesome poddy lads. Do you think the international eligibility rules should change to allow coaches of national sides the ability to build up a team for the world cup? Instead of every year, maybe make it so players can only change allegiance every 2 or 4 years? Making it yearly seems to benefit the bigger nations more as they can select players on form, leaving the smaller nations to have the "leftovers" Keep up the good work lads.

[@abrahamvoigt6706]

Also another question, which is the more impressive feat. 3 peat or 8 straight in origin?

[@halfachickenlaksa]

I absolutely love Horo's insight and how he delivers his opinions! Love Willy as well but it is hard to listen when he keeps cutting off Horo. Keep it up both of you, love it.

[@barney151]

1:13:15 wingers 44:10 bench

[@Flobastino241]

Love the idea of playing minimum amount of games . But teams only play 24 so 20 seems like a nice round number .. and the rating system top idea.. Also panthers fan here and I thought we were gone 20 mins to go - Nathan Cleary has cemented himself as a great - unlucky broncos . Heads held high. It will be replayed next year for sure

[@hansneggs]

I pray for Reynolds mental health. I agree. This panthers unit is the most dominating team we”ve ever seen . But the grand final in 2023 was lost by Brisbane . They just gave it away .

[@josephiosefa2276]

Storms didn't go 3 in a row so Panthers are the best DYNASTY hands down no one can compare better dynasty them storms n rooster's BY FAR

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

And storm cheated the cap

[@michaelreidy6300]

How do you ask the lads a question?

[@levelsnetwork]

comment brother!

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

@@levelsnetwork where? Here? I've been commenting for the last 2 years

[@levelsnetwork]

@@Sensei_Sifu lol

[@jamesiopu8624]

Hey guys love your show but I was wondering if you could explain who you are talking about when you call players by their nick names. Big fan, keep up the great work 😊👏

[@levelsnetwork]

thanks bro - which name?

[@SampaFourty69]

It's stupid how 10 great games wins you Daily M but being dominate for an entire season doesn't 😂😂 Lockyer, Alfie etc know that feeling the system is flawed.

[@teratavincent-hillman8197]

Johnson kicked the knights out too

[@Jaime_nz]

Reynolds had a bad bad day it must weigh heavily on him

[@tytutu9625]

You could see it in his face/body language and hear it in his voice right after they lost the game while he was being interviewed. To lose twice to the Panthers first in 2021 with the Rabbitohs and 2023 with the Broncos is not an easy thing, he’ll be having nightmares for a long time lol

[@Jake.Cairns842]

Can you lads describe the meaning behind your tattoos?

[@DogmenHardcastle]

I don't know why no one is talking about the short dropouts and kickoffs killing Brisbane? What is with this new culture of going for the short drop out no matter what the score is? You knew it was coming because the commentary box, Billy and Joey in particular, would be like "Oh they have to go short here" and it would be like "... why? they're up?" (or it is still early in the first half or whatever). And sure enough, it absolutely is the reason they lost, Cleary brilliance and heroics aside. The decision to do unnecessary short drop outs and kickoffs gave the panthers about 14 points at least.

[@Palmwhat]

Cool story

[@doingadlay]

I know I've never seen so many dropouts

[@DogmenHardcastle]

@@doingadlay Specifically short ones. I have seen that many in a game of madden playing against my 12 year old cousin, I don't understand this new trend of NRL teams doing that when there is absolutely no need. It practically never works, and in such an important game, it was just surreal to witness.

[@doingadlay]

@@DogmenHardcastlehaha good old madden aye but yeah I meant short dropouts, it's like a new trend everyone does it these days , I like Reynolds but that wasn't very smart

[@DogmenHardcastle]

@@doingadlay can't even blame Reynolds because there is something in the culture where they are all brainwashed to do it. The fact Joey and Billy in the commentary box knew each time he was going to do it, and thought it was a good idea, proves that. Bring back the 65 metre drop outs from the 2010s, no way that wasn't better.

[@japdiver5090]

Wait...did Mason......just call out the MEDIA HATE on Luai????

[@julianalderson3938]

Yer it was special by nathan. Should be remembered as one of the best.

[@julianalderson3938]

We gota go hard now n win win every game. Cos we can. So good for nz.

[@natk9313]

I really dislike the Ponga pick for Dally M. He hit his straps and played well for half the year, flogging a lot of shit teams, only beating Melbourne in the Top 4. Johnson should have probably won, but he also didn’t beat anyone in the top 4. You guys are right, there is no perfect system.

[@andrewsamson1540]

From a Kiwi, if I'm NSW, I'd rather have Ivan Cleary or Bellamy as coach. Not Sticky

[@homestarronny]

nah not Bellamy. He did fuck all in his 3 years, I think it was 2008 to 2010. Then Sticky came in 2011 to 2013 I think and we were VERY unlucky to lose all 3 of those years. He had NSW going pretty damn good. qld in those days should have whitewashed NSW year after year after year (especially with the absolute piece of shit NSWmen inglis and folau playing for the wrong state which never should have been allowed. If they are too stupid to know what origin means and just want to play with their melbourne boyfriends because they're too stupid to make some new friends, fuck em, they don't play origin at all. But when morons run the same, of course that sort of stupidity is going to happen)

[@Barry_Matthews]

I read a lot of comments on people asking\complaing about nicknames, could you edit in the persons name in text on the screen for us.

[@damonoconnell8919]

Why don’t the coaches just pick 3-2-1 for opposing team , they would have a fair idea of who is attacking them and worrying them for the game

[@nickmilan2739]

Because you will get tactical vote bias. For example, if Knights vs Warriors was one of the last games of the season, and Ponga and SJ were favourites to win Dally M. The opposing coaches will be incentivised not to give points to those two players cause they want their player to win.

[@damonoconnell8919]

@@nickmilan2739 that’s a fair point

[@user-bs2oe8us6g]

Way too much on a coaches mind than to vote on that

[@damonoconnell8919]

@@user-bs2oe8us6g not really , they’ll know the players who were causing headaches for them

[@sgt.yarpyarp144]

Salmon could score/set up 10 tries against the raiders and sticky still wouldn’t give him a point.

[@fattywagon8725]

hello mr mason. im a pom and didnt like you at all for reasons that will not escape you but credit to you, you are an excllent pundit. although lady wagon says you swear too much

[@NuriiG]

Mase NSW coach lessssFgo

[@Jaime_nz]

Ivan's coached 5 GFs now he's up there with Bellamy

[@ierikopj]

Broncos was the best team in that final but Penrith had the best play maker. Want to see my Broncos do a 3peat like Penrith to prove that they were the best team in the 2023 final, yet, Penrith deserved to win their 3rd title, but the Broncos are on the rise.

[@nyvanileah9117]

What do mean 3peat they need to do 1peat 1st

[@uteboy86]

Biggest difference is Broncos have a 2 year window to win comps because how old their halfback is. That's the biggest issue they will face they need to find Reynolds replacement now and start getting him ready and being around the team.

[@roryt1983]

@@uteboy86they will be lucky if Reynolds body can hold up for another year

[@SlaintheMhath]

Flegler and Farnsworth are already gone, who is next, Canberra want Mam and they have money so you might lose him at the end of next year. The salary cap is so cruel, the panthers lose great players every year.

[@ballchinian911]

If only there was a way for them to play to see who would win ?

[@josephiosefa2276]

They gave Freddy half a year and they tried to give him a paycut

[@danielkelly4487]

He was lucky to even get offered half a year

[@josephiosefa2276]

Thurston not a immortal, immortal is a all-round player and all round JT wasn't like shit defensive aye

[@hoseaxci2419]

Shauny was robbed. That's my 2 cents. On to next year. Also I didn't want Panthers to get a 3 peat, but holy Jesus they showed why they deserved to have it. Great GF

[@kristenashworth1251]

Feckin hurt, that GF....

[@MJBOGAN]

Critter was better than cleary

[@anthonymiller6081]

Is it a 3peat reaction or a 3cheat reaction.😅

[@SlaintheMhath]

Who cheated? There were hits from both teams that would be a penalty in a normal game but Mr Gee let the game flow. The broncos were more like dairy cows in the last ten minutes, so much milking.

[@mrboat2580]

There were barely any penalties in the game and one six again. It was a great grand final because Gee let The game flow

[@MERCURYSUNSET]

Best team ever ???? LOL 🤣

[@johntrad806]

Up there with the best. 3 premierships in a row all while losing a couple of key players each year. Even melbourne couldn't go back to back let alone back to back to back when they rorted the salary cap. Ya delusional mate.

[@MERCURYSUNSET]

@@johntrad806 Title says " Best team ever ??? " not up there with the best. So they are better than OR up there with the Souths teams that won 5 Premierships in the early to mid 50's and again 4 from 5 in the late 60's . Oh and i almost forgot the Dragons who won 11 Premierships in a row.Keep living in your delusion . Rugby League history goes back to 1908 , not 1998 .

[@ezza1236]

I’m worried Cleary will leave nrl

[@hoodedss]

why would he leave? his only 25 and wants to be a immortal

[@mrboat2580]

He won't at least until 2028

[@tobyfitzpatrick3914]

I'm sure "the best team ever" would never be down 16 points in a grand final.

[@homestarronny]

lol it doesn't matter if you're down by 50, if you come back to win that is all that matters. so what, are they never allowed to lose a single game at all? What a stupid thing to say after what they did with the greatest comeback of all time hahaha, especially now that we know Clearys knee was fucked

[@tobyfitzpatrick3914]

@@homestarronny It also helps when there's only one other half-decent team in the entire comp.

[@pantherz9103]

@@tobyfitzpatrick3914 lol that’s a pretty lame excuse. Panthers keep losing good players because of the cap but keep winning. It’s not our fault if other teams suck.

[@stefanocioni2587]

Not even top five all time best teams, no way

[@johntrad806]

??? 4 consecutive grand final appearances 3 premierships all while losing a couple of key players each of those years due to the salary cap. Even Melbourne couldn't do that when they had the big three. Get out of here with that 🧂🧂

[@mgm48345]

Your dreaming Stephanie

[@mrboat2580]

Panthers best team of the modern era? Yes. Best of all time? No. As a penrith fan, we are a long way from the greatest of all time

[@pantherz9103]

Yes that’s fair to say I think because the Dragons team that won 11 in a row had several immortals and that dominance is amazing, even considering it was a 10 team comp and there was no salary cap they were still undeniably great and basically owned the comp… Still, for consistency of winning games and rarely ever losing games even when we could have afforded a loss, our last 4 years in itself is right up there with the greatest ever 4 year period. 85% win rate is ridiculously good and very few teams in rugby league or any sport really, can match that kind of record. Sports like basketball talk about win % more than rugby league and our win % is up there with legendary teams like Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan. Hard to compare such different sports but basically I’m saying that our win % in itself proves we’re a great team.

[@gregorybaillie2093]

Best team ever ?! That's laughable. There were two incidents which the ref ignored that would have been a send off and a penalty try maybe. We all know which team lost out with that.Add to that the Broncos made a LOT of mistakes at perfectly the wrong time. Penrith didn't but had no answers when the Broncs were on a roll. The occasion was a steep learning curve having never played a grand final. Yet all the Panthers could muster up was a late rally when the Broncos went to sleep and ended up TWO POINTS in front !!! LOL That ain't no dynasty boys. Great team great coach good win but spare us the whaffle because the young Broncs will be WAY better for their mistakes next year.

[@Junz1105]

It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish. That is what separates good teams from great teams and Penrith is one of those great teams. They know how to close out a game when under pressure. At the end of the day, it’s the team that wants it the most and that was the Panthers. Broncos will defs learn from this and run it back 2024’.

[@ufam.6904]

Are you done crying 😂

[@Borisdeplanedeplane]

Talk when your broncos 3 peat. In the mean time hush. Don't talk.

[@lilliangase6625]

Lol 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@tamahamo8295]

Keep crying ya gronk 🤭