NTSB Media Brief on the Miami Air International Runway Overrun

[@LeshVarg]

List of things we all know: Landing air speed at 163 knots (ground speed at 178 kts)-Good on approach 15 kt tail wind during the landing- Concerning Full flaps set-Good Spoilers were armed-Good Left Thrust Reverser inoperative based from maintenance- Noted Add bad weather to the picture-Concerning This all comes down the pilots' decision at this point. Lets just wait to know what happened. *Edit Adding information while learning.

[@Deadeye313]

That speed is very high for 30 degrees flaps. Should be more like 130, especially if the plane can't stop at its normal rate.

[@LeshVarg]

@@Deadeye313 Usually approach speeds are around 160-180 knot if i am not mistaken. Plus with the bad weather, anytime at high speed, chance of hydroplaning is more.

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@@LeshVarg Yh 168 kts is ok for an approach where your 10 miles from the runway, but not when your landing, that is way to fast, especially with a tailwind of 15 kts as well

[@LeshVarg]

@@-_-.-_-.-_-. Yeah the tailwind causes more issues on approach because it causes the plane to go more speed. Requires lots of balance.

[@kinoav8r]

Please repeat the questions!

[@Deadeye313]

a tail wind and broken thrust reverser? Wasn't there an air crash investigation episode about this and how bad it is to have a broken thrust reverser? I forget what it was called but same exact situation and they overran the runway. Crash waiting to happen? Found it, Air France flight 358.

[@PedroRodriguez-hu5he]

Deadeye313 the T/R is used to slow the plane down, but you are allowed to fly a plane with just one, but in bad weather it’s not too safe , it is the captains choice if he wants to land or not

[@Deadeye313]

@@PedroRodriguez-hu5he Well this was a disaster chain looking to be broken but seems it never was. A bad reverser, high speed landing, tailwind and wet runway; take any of it away and they might have been fine. It would also be interested to know if he landed on the runway at the correct spot, perhaps if he had the full length, it would have helped, but witness reports indicate a hard landing which sounds like he was trying to plant it after missing the markings. It all reeks of that Air France flight.

[@PedroRodriguez-hu5he]

Deadeye313 well he changed course of flight onto a shorter runway used for military planes which are high wings so they can land on short space and take off , so what ppl don’t understand is why they changed course to a shorter runway with bad weather and a bad T/R You can still fly the airplane, but it’s up to the pilot at last if he wants to land or go around

[@TheProPilot]

178 kts. Wow. I'm not a 737 pilot. But I’ve ridden on them a lot. 145-150kts is what I observed for approach speeds. And that’s always been with a headwind.

[@Weaseltube]

Inop reverser, tail wind, shortened runway. Remains to be seen but seems like cumulative erosion of landing safety margin that escaped the crew's awareness.

[@randomsanwhich2]

i dunno how these investgators keep their cool with these stupid questions

[@ThatWasLoud]

Sad

[@JayStClair-mh5wv]

When is it ever appropriate to land a 737 at 178 knots???

[@TheProPilot]

Thats groundspeed

[@JayStClair-mh5wv]

@@TheProPilot Still way too fast..it was raining, the runway was flooded and shorter active runway, plus left thrust reverser was NOT operable. This all screams for GO TO ALTERNATE.

[@hgbugalou]

RIP to the pets. Please do not fly with your animals if they need to be stowed as cargo.

[@LeshVarg]

I rather take a private jet if I want to fly with my pets. Owners needs to stay close to their pets.

[@aj3751]

this way if a pilot forgets to pressurize the cargohold, your pet can freeze to death? no thanks. leave your pet with a family member

[@licensedblockhead]

15 knot tailwind well theres your problem the question is why my guess is human error of some sort

[@BLAMBERRY]

737’s have crappy brakes...surprise!

[@aj3751]

nothing to do with the 178 kt touchdown?

[@BLAMBERRY]

@@aj3751 even on a good day a no flaps landing in a 737 is a butt puckering event.

[@samsngdevice5103]

HOW COME THEY NEVER describe what happened? I STILL HAVE NO IDEA 💡👄 WTF HAPPENED

[@Deadeye313]

They pretty much did say. Bad weather and broken thrust reverser. They had a tail wind, came in too fast and couldn't stop.

[@wrightcj01]

Samsng Device that’s because you have the big dumb

[@Nicholas-f5]

Curious that it was coming from Gitmo at taxpayer expense. I'm sure we will be paying for the plane replacement as well.

[@randomsanwhich2]

The DoD contracts several charters to conduct routine passenger service and cargo movement for the needs of all the brances of service. This particular flight travels bi-weekly from Virgina-Flordia-Cuba for the movement of servicemembers for various needs (training in CONUS, PCS, R&R and routine leave. The US Navy and Dod will not have to replace this aircraft as it is privately owned and operated. I believe the last accident involving a DoD Charter was the National Airlines crash in Bagram.

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

randomsanwhich • Was that National flight the one that happened as a direct result of faulty loading/tying down heavy equipment - I think it was a tank in that instance?

[@randomsanwhich2]

gomphrena -beautiful flower- Yes, it was armored vehicles. Loadmaster used straps instead of chains for securing the load.