Nelson Havi to Uhuru: The moment you become president, you cease being a person

[@dennismulala6201]

Honestly, havi is bright and informed.

[@footballupdates7916]

What an intelligent lawyer👏

[@aggreyjaguga2323]

He will be unintelligent when you lose.. BBI is inevitable

[@footballupdates7916]

@@aggreyjaguga2323 Thank you for informing me your lordship judge of the supreme court

[@Unclesam00001]

@@footballupdates7916 😂😂😂😂

[@ramenyaramenya6223]

Smart brain

[@geoffreymuraya938]

Job well done my learned friend.

[@aggreyjaguga2323]

Ngoja mfundishwe adhabu na orengo and company

[@justathought7235]

@@aggreyjaguga2323 Orengo already submitted and Havi has done a rebuttal on some of Orengo's submissions (e.g. asserting that the doctrine of basic structure is not alien/new like Orengo claimed)

[@josephimathiu5083]

I salute you Mr. Havi you're a brilliant man..

[@aggreyjaguga2323]

I can hear regae in the background 🤣😂😆

[@youngking1767]

Why is he a brilliant man?

[@kenchege88]

Havi is rightly aligned you can't understand him if you don't have a grasp of law, remember havi is not talking to layman BBI supporters in ground he is talking to judge

[@kenchege88]

From what is coming up, BBI is not about constitution amendment, BBI is a constitution replacement.

[@Unclesam00001]

Havii hoiye..the next Westland mp

[@trevorkobilo2480]

Brilliantly articulated.

[@Joseph20203]

Why is Havi this sharp

[@keuyacyrus4772]

So do you lose rights of a person once you become president? Then how to they still have parties n expected to vote???? Such an untought legal take

[@bernardshikoli8051]

I have never seen a LSK of Kenya opposing reforms

[@solomonmakori7798]

Do u want him support even unsupportive ???

[@vincentngetich327]

'Reforms my foot!'

[@samuelwaruinu786]

Which reforms are talking about,

[@PabloEscobar-wt1fq]

Another disaster from western lol

[@matts6894]

Which reforms? Mutilation of the document?

[@jamesmwangi278]

How come lawyers refer to authorities from 1800 years ago and we are in 2021

[@DeejaySirT]

It's the constitution roots

[@enterpreneur9738]

"We got the natives good". Mzungu anacheka kwa choo.

[@michaelnyongesa6351]

He is referring to an Opinion by Lubwezi

[@jamesmwangi278]

Havi cannot connect why the constitution does not mention anything about constituent assembly.Even the judges forgave him and say continue....

[@uniquecritical7628]

Narcissist personality disorder of the president 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@duaneorwasa9593]

41:20 where it matches the title

[@DeejaySirT]

You served us the hustle🤣🤣😂

[@duaneorwasa9593]

@@DeejaySirT maisha haitatusumbua na ntv😂

[@sinjhguddu4974]

Sir, while your endeavours are great and honest, I fear they might be in vain. Its abundantly plain that Kenya is now a rabid, vile and rude hyaenas' territory. Truth nor justice no longer matter especially with the higher judicial offices. Recently we saw how they were classified in terms of their merchantability.

[@uniquecritical7628]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@DeejaySirT]

Absolutely true

[@komondi001]

The road to success has found it's own way n am optimistic they gonna loose this by far You can't contradict the state that promoted you in that office

[@Milanova460]

… I like the analogy of a president picketing….. ahahahah

[@jamesmwangi278]

What is this monster called Basic structure in our Constitution?

[@Be-Rean]

Havi at the end of this when they lose, he will be despised. he should have picked another battle.

[@justathought7235]

You don't despise a lawyer for losing a case if you appreciate that in law/disputes the judge agrees with one and disagrees with another. You only despise a lawyer when they make substandard submissions, which Havi's are not. Remember people like PLO/Ahmednasir/Ngatia lost the petition in 2017 just as Orengo/Kilonzo lost in 2013. All these remain great lawyers.

[@Diasporamedia23]

@@justathought7235 There was nothing in 2013. Everything was thrown out on a technicality.

[@justathought7235]

@@Diasporamedia23 there was a petition. That's where Kethi starred. That ODM lawyers missed deadlines/rules of procedure and therefore some evidence wasn't admitted doesn't delete an event that actually occured from history.

[@Be-Rean]

@@justathought7235 i disagree. Otherwise big lawyers wont exist. Your record counts i thought

[@ggman6939]

Havi, I think u r very smart not just yapping

[@jeminmin917]

Mr President, the best choice lawyers ever made in this country

[@ashfordmbiuki4002]

I am learning for the first time that when you become the president, you cease being a person. The question is what do you you the become---a reptile, a fish, a bird, a tree or you cease living?

[@protusnyongesa6990]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@harryyegon1856]

You became a small god

[@geoffreymuraya938]

Whichever you choose among the ones enlisted.

[@Milanova460]

… You become dictator in chief…. Ahahahah

[@justathought7235]

means that some actions are taken as a private citizen, some as a "state officer". There are some things you need to do as a private citizen and not as a state officer.... He proves this when he handed over power to Ruto when going to ICC

[@elijahmokandu]

If thr president cease to be a person why then the same constitution allow him to vote from top to MCA?

[@hillarykomen4801]

He is a figure, in an office. He is not just a person. The presidency is a symbol and he holds that now.

[@justathought7235]

he does that as a private citizen, not as a president

[@kenchege88]

During voting, he votes as a person because he is not yet alive to the fact that he has been elected as a president

[@benstevekyalo1452]

@@kenchege88 I like your interpretation of the law.

[@dennismcodhis776]

The same constitution says the president has executive orders, is the one in charge of signatories of the nation to the outside world. I want Luto to be the president and he cease being with the people because the constitution says. Or cease to be a person and become an animal. This interpretation has questions

[@j.o.o2992]

Where did Havi study law? I'm not a lawyer but I find his arguments pedestrian. Good English, but I cannot see law in his arguments.

[@kevinsoyekwo4963]

Your Largely Naive, Lazy and with Narrow comprehension.....just hot the shamba if you can't understand Havi and his high intellect.

[@charlesnyaberi5059]

He is a Kenyan citizens voter and president therefore he never ceases anything unless he is death please use the law carefully

[@kenchege88]

No, once he becomes a president he ceases to be a person I some matters, he cannot amend the constitution he swore to uphold,

[@erickmutuku3744]

At times common sense ceases to be common.

[@vincentngetich327]

'Havi' respects the rule of law...

[@luciahmwai567]

It reaches a time we are tired of being quite a make it louder

[@aggreyjaguga2323]

Too charrow

[@VictorMatengo]

When you cease becoming a person it means you cease being alive meaning you are dead....Wrong, shallow past reference and arguement Mr. Havi....

[@erickmutuku3744]

In his context a person is a civilian, which makes the president a state officer...Therefore, let me be precise, so that you may not end up making such a mistake that is only acceptable in the land of the dead. "The Constitution of Kenya makes several mentions of the terms public officer and state officer. These two terms refer to different people who hold offices in government. Under Article 260 of the Kenyan Constitution, “State”, when used as a noun, means the collectivity of offices, organs and other entities comprising the government of the Republic under the Constitution.Based on Article 260 of the Kenyan Constitution that defines “State office”, the list of state officers in Kenya consists of the- President; Deputy President; Cabinet Secretary; Member of Parliament (Member of the National Assembly, Member of the Senate, Woman County Representative); Judges and Magistrates; member of a commission to which Chapter Fifteen (of the Constitution) applies; holder of an independent office to which Chapter Fifteen applies; member of a county assembly, governor or deputy governor of a county, or other members of the executive committee of a county government; Attorney-General; Director of Public Prosecutions; Secretary to the Cabinet; Principal Secretary; Chief of the Kenya Defence Forces; commander of a service of the Kenya Defence Forces; Director-General of the National Intelligence Service; Inspector-General, and the Deputy Inspectors-General, of the National Police Service; or an office established and designated as a State office by national legislation; “State officer” means a person holding a State office. Therefore, a state officer in Kenya is a public officer, but not all public officers are state officers. Every person who holds a public office in Kenya is a public officer.

[@osagyefo4305]

Roadside arguments from NH. Very shallow.

[@cliffmwenja4853]

It's probably because you can't understand anything he is saying.

[@justathought7235]

Let's wait and see if the judges will find it shallow to quote Justice Ringera's judgement of a Kenyan court as precedence. What deep thing did he leave out?

[@kenchege88]

You don't understand him, you are just talking from your own vector of your personal opinion of whom you allign with politically

[@osagyefo4305]

@@cliffmwenja4853 Pole.

[@benedictyegon3622]

My sympathies

[@markkip2001]

why is Kenyan a third world , poor rule of law yet with have very brilliant mind very fluent in the queen language

[@georgeikinya2779]

Fluency in a foreign language doesn’t in any way defines brilliance of the mind

[@mourice1669]

@@georgeikinya2779 I agree you can be fluent but talking nonsense

[@dankago8668]

TOTAL RUBBISH

[@luciahmwai567]

Tag me Mr havi

[@aggreyjaguga2323]

I have tagged you .avi

[@luciahmwai567]

@@aggreyjaguga2323 🤣🤣🤣🤣