Nuclear may not be recommended for Australia due to 'cost reasons'

[@unpersononce6753]

Another grifter

[@NoWindNoSunNoPower]

Even looks like one.

[@dfor50]

His name is actually very close to "Grifter" and he doesn't appear to have any knowledge above an opinionated pub commentator. Just listen to the dumb statements: "The future is already here" - Lol "It's going to happen whether we like it or not" - No it won't. "Gas may have been a transition in 1990's but that ship has sailed" - Australia is a Saudi Arabia of gas. So many others Lol.

[@shaneburns4349]

He is a grifter. Springfield needs a monorail. When Gavin Newsome runs for POTUS, California needs a new senator. He should stay in Frisco, and stop commenting on Australian matters.

[@madddevil1]

This guy is a hypocrite he makes money of the industries that are in competition against nuclear. Full of BS

[@awc900]

When you have an unviable renewables plan and you can't continue to use coal or gas, what else do you do? You need batteries that can power a city for at least a week not 7 minutes. This guy is dreaming.

[@NoWindNoSunNoPower]

The batteries part of the renewables scam is the most obvious blatant lie.

[@Mike-ry4ti]

"Cost reasons" translation: It will cost the power companies their profits and the government their GST.

[@frankcoates4609]

When Boofhead unveils his cunning plan, people will be rooting madly for nuclear power because he cares about the Australian people and doesn't want them to be upset and aesthetically alarmed by large wind turbines catching fire and their blades flying around destroying stuff. Boofhead, our man, a tough and fiercely intelligent Liberal leader.

[@tassied12]

Just ONE new nuclear reactor construction start outside China last year. He is backing a dead horse

[@NoWindNoSunNoPower]

If money is the issue then renewables are stuffed.

[@glennmccarthy8773]

Bullshit

[@sillymesilly]

Nuclear is cheaper than renewable.

[@emperordalektardis]

Prove it

[@NoWindNoSunNoPower]

@emperordalektardis Include transmission and lifespan.

[@zympf]

way way cheaper

[@positivepawpaw7564]

@@emperordalektardis "prove it" ? look around, dh. every country thats tried your renewables has proved it fails.. nuke, on the other hand, no regrets anywhere except where reactors are built on fault lines, or shoddily built & poorly staffed with poorly trained operators. overseas experience doesnt suit your propaganda, so you keep peddling l!es while the adults keep laughing at you.

[@zympf]

@@emperordalektardis "renewables" will cost $1.5 Trillion by 2030 and 7+ Trillion by 2060. Read the Net Zero Australia report. Nuclear will cost a fraction of that!

[@M77982]

We need the money for $450 million dollar Referendums

[@NoWindNoSunNoPower]

A question for Saul Griffith. How many….. A) Windmills B) Sunshine Plates C) Batteries …..required to power Australia?

[@markspin4596]

The idiot wouldn't even know.

[@Diponty]

Biden: A 1000 trillion!

[@briananderson7285]

And how many hail storms and bush fires will they survive ?

[@ClydeBreeze_994]

Oh, yeah? So what's the alternative for Australia? Wind and Solar, cannot currently power entire nations. So what's the alternative? Getting back to the stone age?

[@justinwhite2725]

Unironically yes.

[@briananderson7285]

Coal an gas.

[@robot336]

How many old people are going cold or worse this winter because of labors so cold cheep renewable energy 😈😈💀💀👿👿

[@robot336]

This dude get's richer they more solar we use and the higher energy prices go 😈😈🤑🤑

[@geraldcroft9020]

Sane decisions may not be possible for Australia, due to insanity

[@actualfacts1055]

The stupid Greens and TEALS say that we don't need gas power stations to back up renewables when the experts AEMO say that we need 26 new gas power stations.

[@paulgraham5790]

Because forcing everyone to buy panels and new batteries and an EV every ten years is so cheap and affordable. What a joke.

[@actualfacts1055]

We just need one big solar panel to cover all of Australia.

[@paulfeasal6024]

California cant support it's populations electricity. They got to use it scarcely because of how much the EV's use. Arizona uses them all. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. The environment you live in will jave a lot to do with how well the deiifent technologies work. So too cold solar panels aint going to work well. The heat the soalar panels batteries will blow cells. They would be lucky to last any good length of time. Nuclear is good if you don't have any national disasters like weather. Hurricanes and massive floods can cause a Nuclear meltdown in the future. Japan had one with a Tsunami line in 2008. I may be wrong with thr time frame though. This totally took oit tjeor economy. Other then these massively potential dangers Nuclear power is more stable then the gas or coal. The other could be hydroplants for electricity. This could be powered by their rivers usually set up in a dam. The Hoover Dam is an example of this technology and SRP. Solar panels do have a major strength. It makes it possible to go outside your monopoly of power companies that are in your areas. They ain't as cheap as they say because the government has been increasing the prices on it. Its barely saving people money that own their panels. If you jave more options you will have better prices. That's why solar is better. I forgot to also say your current electric company will have to come out amd take their stuff before you can change over to solar and it takes months like more than 6.

[@VK6AB-]

So the ALPs thought bubble is buy endless batteries and solar panels from China whilst not investing in Australian made and built infrastructure. The amount of waste generated from defunct renewables is going to be colossal as is the amount AUD going offshore to pay for these so called renewables. Nuclear is a long term win for Australia, its direct investment in Australia in terms of energy security, money, long term infrastructure with small footprint, science, engineering and technology.

[@Didigetitwrong]

We banned the use of stone benchtops in Australia because our businesses and regulators couldn't manage the safety around the handling of this product. Are our regulators and workplaces mature enough to manage radioactive products?

[@nomyafiftyonefifty8081]

And how much will all of the " renewables " cost in 15 years when they all need " renewing"??

[@briananderson7285]

That's the renewable bit .$$$$$ for the few .

[@actualfacts1055]

He is talking about his house not the needs of the country.

[@actualfacts1055]

Solar and wind wouldn't pull a maggot off a chop, AEMO says that we will need 26 new emissions producing gas power stations.

[@trickyboy1517]

Really? Wow, that's new. It's not like the AEMO or the CSIRO hasn't been saying this for, at least, the last 5 years. :I

[@kidsoxoxox]

The first word in the Australian Macquarie Dictionary in all editions is 'Can't' and the 2nd is 'banned''

[@OG_Sigma87]

So what happens when a hailstorm comes along and wipes out the solar panels?

[@tracy1903]

I have solar and I’m sitting here in Canberra freezing with no sun, no wind and pouring rain. I looked into a battery at a cost of $15,000. So let’s do the math - $20,000 panels + $15,000 battery = $35,000 divided by $2000/year electricity so I will eventually get free electricity in 17 years. Free my arse.

[@oldbloke204]

Yep sort of came to the same conclusion. Also factor in that feed in tariffs will disappear as more solar comes on line and the fact that they can turn it off at peak times when the grid can't handle the amount of power generated. I would suggest that a 15k battery won't give you that much storage so you might need a couple of them to be more useful. You're generally making holes in your roof to mount it all and you also have to factor in the opportunity cost of that money. On 50k even term deposit interest will give you about 2.5k pa.

[@Diponty]

@@oldbloke204 The depreciated value of the 30,000 dollar battery after 10 years would be approximately $10,461, indicating a depreciation of approximately $19,539. Best estimate. And after 10 years, the battery would have approximately 73.7% of its original capacity remaining. ie diminishing returns. Time to look for replacement batteries after 15 years. LOL. And I wonder how much disposal costs for said batteries will be then. Also remember that song Rainy days and flat batteries always makes me sad.

[@oldbloke204]

@@Diponty I like the idea of it from a self sufficiency point of view but I doubt that it will ever be cheap and I don't see recycling centres springing up for these types of batteries although it seems that some are burning down. Same as every other time these sorts of things are promised to reduce prices but never do imo.

[@Diponty]

@@oldbloke204 As with EV batteries and RAP systems etc. batteries there will have to have a disposable mechanism in place to get rid of the batteries. I would not be surprised if they ship them to other countries to recycle (bury) them. And you can bet there will be a substantial insurance cost associated with shipping them. Or we can bury them in outback oz. Maybe in Wolfe Creek Crater.

[@oldbloke204]

@@Diponty The usual scenario where the backup industries lag the technology until it becomes profitable for someone to do it imo. Sort of like when cars became a thing and there were few roads and you bought your fuel in cans from a Chemist shop. I wouldn't be too surprised if we find some new battery tech that will change the landscape again but we shall see. I think that I like some of our old technology that doesn't need electricity and not being completely reliant on what comes out of the cables and pipes from the outside world.

[@tonynicholson3328]

Bullshidardist...

[@colonelklink9911]

Bye Bye Dutton👋

[@joelG1272]

There is a reasons why China has already cornered the market in renewables and solar wind and hydro. In the case of solar and wind they rely heavily on fossil fuels to produce them. As of mid-2023, China has 1,142 operational coal-fired power plants, with 198 more in pre-construction, 128 under construction. But China is smart they are constructing 25 new nuclear reactors to add to their 56 in operation. If there was to be a catastrophic event in Australia, like a severe hail storm event over a large scale solar farm, a Carrington type solar storm, an Emp attack, a small scale nuclear attack, the loss of power generation could have catastrophic societal effects. If we are to go all electric and still have the capacity to grow as the electric usage grows, solar is and wind just will not cut it. The life cycle of solar is just too short. Its like painting the Sydney harbor bridge you finish and then start again. Nuclear technology is desperately needed in Australia as a reliable base load in the mix and like it or not, we need to have nuclear weapons of our own or from the USA or UK to be a deterrent from attack by a fast changing ever more dangerous world. We may be the only country left without them in a decade or 2, if the USA is kept busy by the rising powers like China, Iran, North Korea, India, and the old ones like Russia. Stop living in a world of rainbows and pixy dust, the world is now a very dangerous place and not have the nuclear weapons will not make Australia Safer, just ask Ukraine. Nuclear energy is the first step in gaining a foothold in nuclear technology and a safer future for Australia.

[@SeanBotha]

Just how much do land destroying trees destroying Animals.buildimg maintanance and refuse with oil or part leplacement of solar and wind cost?

[@shaneburns4349]

I am also a metallurgist, at Port Kembla steel, which is still running. unlike Newcastle. This bloke is good at sales. Rewiring this country is a problem. I have also run linear assets unlike Saul, he does not get how hard it is. That said, confidence over capability makes for a good conversation.

[@je2338]

So in other words becauee your mate has a start up company, you have a massive bias to talk down nuclear. I have solar on my house in Sydney. When we get those rainy weeks, it makes next to zero energy. And there's no way I'm having a giant lithium fire bomb in my house,.let alone the fact that I cannot afford one. And why would energy companies let us have fully independent energy (solar and battery). At the end of the day, you still have to be connected to the grid and energy companies will slowly increase that connection service price the more independent we go. It's completely counterintuitive. But you have to make the change otherwise youll be charged to bankruptcy.

[@tjoybungisngis7832]

Nuclear energy, energy that is released in significant amounts in processes that affect atomic nuclei, the dense cores of atoms. It is distinct from the energy of other atomic phenomena such as ordinary chemical reactions, which involve only the orbital electrons of atoms. One method of releasing nuclear energy is by controlled nuclear fission in devices called reactors, which now operate in many parts of the world for the production of electricity. Another method for obtaining nuclear energy, controlled nuclear fusion, holds promise but has not been perfected by 2020. Nuclear energy has been released explosively by both nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. See also nuclear power.

[@actualfacts1055]

This clown making a living from promoting renewables thinks that he knows better than AEMO who says that we need 26 new emissions producing gas power stations to back up a huge amount of renewables.

[@masksareridiculousfourteen88]

Mmass DDxeportxation. Less power needed. Fixed. Thank me later.

[@actualfacts1055]

Oh great Australia to be covered by giant transmission towers and wires like a giant spider web plus 26 new gas power stations, it's for the greater good so that Australia can save the galaxy from climate change even though we are heading into the next Ice Age.

[@actualfacts1055]

Net Zero when AEMO says that we need 26 new emissions producing gas power stations to back up a huge amount of renewables, batteries and transmission towers.

[@actualfacts1055]

AEMO says that Australia will need 26 new gas power stations to back up renewables or have blackouts.

[@nomyafiftyonefifty8081]

Of cause not!! Because there is a handfull of people making hundreds of billions out of windmills and solar panels.

[@cpatel5397]

Why is my gas heater keep turning it self . It’s not the cool down system.. I’m sick my being cold ..

[@trentjorgensen4629]

The problem with rooftop solar is the power company still charges you for your own power production. Stop that and you will get 100% of houses on it

[@actualfacts1055]

Too bad that most of the gas is on the West Coast and Labor destroyed investment in gas extraction on the East Coast with price caps, blackouts here we come.

[@tgwcl6194]

Fossile fuels are great: reliable and cheap and relatively clean! (CO2 is not a pollutant but food for plants)

[@YouTubeOdyssey]

Room temperature " green steel". Easy as turning lead to gold! Make sure to ship that steel using solar powered ships!

[@conchitadesousa365]

Rewhiring what? The economy or the brains of the Citizens???

[@actualfacts1055]

This guy makes his living by promoting renewables.

[@VK6AB-]

The choice is simple invest in Australia or invest in China made renewables.

[@dav345-b2f]

Seriously, a straight unbiased opinion from this guy?

[@geraldcroft9020]

Sane decisions may not be possible for Australia, due to insanity

[@danielmaher964]

Cost is the problem? Then legalise nuclear now

[@darrylweidenhofer]

What about the insane cost and environment impact of giant transmission lines accross the continent ?

[@Kwesekara1672]

We either keep up with the rest of the world or go back to the Stone Age.

[@jeffmcdonnell1179]

We must look further forward than our navals.

[@Eric-jo8uh]

No mention of the nuclear submarines?

[@Joetrump-se7uq]

Australia is banana republic

[@morgan696manning]

hes a criminal stealing from the world

[@GLEN-ys7qt]

So this Greenwood is still a "thing" is he?

[@marktanska6331]

Wow, that man scared me shitless.

[@onthehunt518]

The end of life use for these renewables is 20 years, end of life of a nuclear plant is 80 to 100. So even if nuclear is expensive up front its still cheaper over the end of life cycle. You have to rebuild the renewables 4 times to compete.

[@GeoffMiell]

@onthehunt518 - "...end of life of a nuclear plant is 80 to 100." Can you please name any nuclear reactor units that are still operational beyond 80 years? No? How about beyond 60 years? No? BEZNAU-1 (365 MWₑ net capacity) in Northern Switzerland takes the honour of being the oldest nuclear power generator unit currently in use in the world. It first connected to the grid on 17 Jul 1969 and began full commercial operations on 9 Dec 1969, a little over 54½ years ago. It's currently scheduled to close in 2029, 60 years after beginning operations. NINE MILE POINT-1 (613 MWₑ net capacity) on the shore of Lake Ontario, USA is very close behind Switzerland in age. It first connected to the grid on 9 Nov 1969 and began full commercial operations on 1 Dec 1969 (a little over a week earlier than BEZNAU-1). The design lifetimes of most operating reactors, explicitly or implicitly, corresponds to 40 years. Some countries have legislation or policy in place to extend the operating lifetime, for all or part of their respective fleets, up to 50 or 60 years. Recent designs, mostly reactors under construction, have a design lifetime of 60 years (e.g. APR-1400, EPR). What's never included in Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) calculations for nuclear plants are the horrendous costs for decommissioning and longer-term nuclear waste management. Both the CSIRO/AEMO's GenCost 2023-24 and Lazard's LCOE+ (v17) indicate wind and solar 'firmed' are much cheaper than coal, gas and nuclear. That's the inconvenient truth.

[@MeredithBell-v3f]

Pakistan and India manage so don't bs

[@alanhorne699]

Most of that was bloody rubbish

[@neilkemp9118]

Wonder if he helped Germany.

[@Genxkiwi]

This man is all woke

[@mickrussell-t3t]

how much money is blackout bowen and albosleasy paying this guy

[@WeveGotBush]

Can't you see him hasn't worked a day in his life

[@BrianBellia]

This is crazy!

[@actualfacts1055]

America has nuclear, we don't.

[@Diponty]

We sorta do. We sell our uranium to them so I guess we do have nuclear. UNO Like having a car and letting someone else use it. We still own the car but are just being used.

[@stancraigie601]

Dreamer

[@robot336]

☢☢😃😃👌👌✨✨

[@lappo2534]

Not due to our abundance of coal and gas?

[@St.Thomas-er9iu]

Develop hydroelectricity... St.Thomas

[@nomyafiftyonefifty8081]

Have you not heard of the original Snowy Scheme and blow out budget of stage 2 by double?

[@St.Thomas-er9iu]

@nomyafiftyonefifty8081 Their choice is poor, as usual. Energy is not in crisis as they are enforcing on the population worldwide. The problem is a narcissist sickness... St.Thomas

[@nomyafiftyonefifty8081]

@@St.Thomas-er9iu yes true, it's all about fear and control.

[@St.Thomas-er9iu]

@@nomyafiftyonefifty8081 you got it... St.Thomas