End of Time (Unix) - Numberphile

[@devangliya7131]

This dude is happy af

[@venivedivicinonchalantgass]

DEVANG LIYA like he ready to die 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Paul-qn7qv]

Yup. It happens to me too when I talk about stuff I love :)

[@matthewrease2376]

I like how, with 32 bits you have about 70 years. And then you double that, to 64 bits, and suddenly increase the time span past the estimated lifespan of the universe. Numbers are great.

[@michakrzyzanowski8554]

it's not doube, it's raised to the power of 2

[@lonestarr1490]

@@michakrzyzanowski8554 He meant you double the number of bits.

[@sammyspan649]

Y10K

[@wil-fri]

it also depends on how much precision you want

[@problemecium]

only problem is that the year 292 billion and change is nowhere close to the actual estimated life span of the universe. With any luck there'll still be a thriving civilization of future people (obviously quite different from us, but our descendants nonetheless) who will have to contend with this problem just as we do today. Maybe they'll already be using higher bit widths in their computers, or more likely they'll have long since done away with Unix time. But as far as we can tell with what we know of physics today, the universe will very much still be there and not terribly different from today. The familiar galaxies will be completely changed, and most of the familiar stars will be long gone, but there will be new stars in their places (and red dwarfs like Barnard's Star or Proxima Centauri stand a decent chance of lasting that long).

[@AsbjornGrandt]

32 bit computers themselves aren't really the problem, as long as the software counts the time in 64 bit. I have a 4 bit computer, which handles 64 bit numbers just fine. (HP-48)

[@soundslave]

Another Y2K thing that'll be fixed before it actually becomes a problem.

[@henrytoss]

soundslave I believe this too, it will be fixed before the problem arise.

[@harrytsang1501]

soundslave Developer should not write x86 code as main anymore, it MUST completely replace by x64 before that day

[@OriginalAphala]

soundslave time_t m7

[@Navhkrin]

***** No they dont, they could but they dont, because its inefficent to calculate numbers using multiple numbers. And btw, it will probably play a more dramatic role. They will probably keep it until the date comes and reset the whole value, ending an old era and starting a new one using 64bit counter. Until that one runs out too. Which wont end anytime soon

[@nameguy101]

+Navhkrin This is the cringiest comment thread in history

[@aadityabrahmbhatt]

Cool This means when you were showing your screen counting the second in Unix manner of 1340197909... It was Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:11:49 GMT !!!! BUT the video was published on "Jan 29, 2013" & it worse thing that your awesome video was pushed in your Hard Disk for about 223 Days !!! WHY???? But Publishing Date Jan 29, 2013 Is amazingly the exact 1 year before I am viewing the video on "Jan 29th, 2014" !!!! HOW AMAZING :-) This is real NumberPhile ;-)

[@yessopie]

Everyone seems to be making the same mistake: it doesn't make a difference whether you have a "32-bit computer" or a "64-bit computer". A 32-bit computer can deal with 64-bit numbers perfectly easily, and a 64-bit computer can deal with 32-bit numbers perfectly easily. It's just slightly more efficient to use a matching length. The point: switching to a "64-bit computer" is neither necessary nor sufficient to solve the problem.

[@shambhav9534]

Yep, 16 bit Unix machines back in the day also probably stored it as a 32 bit signed integer.

[@sanjacobs6261]

@@shambhav9534 >signed Are you sure about that?

[@shambhav9534]

@@sanjacobs6261 Unix & C love signed integers and HATE unsigned stuff for some reason.

[@sanjacobs6261]

@@shambhav9534 What do you mean by hate?

[@shambhav9534]

@@sanjacobs6261 Even if negative integers aren't an option, they'll still make it a signed int.

[@doogleisfat]

More videos with James please Brady - this guy is great, his contribution to this channel has already been brilliant.

[@charliefoxtrotthe3rd335]

The company I work for still, to this day, has this old green screen management system that runs on it's own special hardware platform that was obsolete in 1990, so we purchased all the spares we could get are hands on to keep this dinosaur running. It's called AS 400. It's a first generation IBM server. It works so well for our application and is so fast that I cannot get the old timers to upgrade to a new Oracle system or something like that. The green screen will burn holes into your eyeballs from staring at it for long periods. The actual machine is this big, clunky, noisy thing with fans blowing all around to keep it from igniting. Anyone else deal with a system like this?

[@abdalazizaljurf633]

+Täking Thë High Roäd Yep, government consoles in Syria. These things are scary.

[@MelindaGreen]

+Täking Thë High Roäd I've programmed on punchcards. The punching machine was a horrible monstrosity even though it seemed sort of cool at the time. Monitors were just then coming out and THAT was beyond cool.

[@compu85]

+Täking Thë High Roäd A client I supported had a similar RS6000 machine doing their payroll and check processing. I'd tell the CFO that every time I walked past the machine I saw a Loony Toons style cartoon bomb with the fuse sizzling.

[@allanrichardson1468]

+Jimmy Smith Ironically, when a system begins to reach obsolescence, it gets donated to a school, so the techs of the future train on the machines of the past.

[@MelindaGreen]

Allan Richardson Until we invent time machines, all students will train on machines from the past.

[@hydroxenon9364]

They celebrated on September 9, 2001. Little did they know what would happen in 2 days

[@lebanthen]

celebrated what

[@hydroxenon9364]

+Alex Lehtinen 1,000,000,000 in UNIX time. Watch the video

[@Thomasynthesis]

+Alberto Sanchez ARE YOU ABLE TO READ? HE SAID 9/9 NOT 9/11

They're not American, so that was no big deal.

[@billybassman21]

+Alberto Sanchez Then you wonder why there are people that want to deport your kind in the USA.

[@clickrick]

"Some of your viewers were too young for the millennium bug." I was there, I was part of the crew that was desperately fixing those legacy systems. Actually, I was using Unix in the 1970s and marvelling at this beautiful new operating system, and knew even then of the shortcomings of the epoch-based times, and knew in 1999 that the millennium bug was going to be nowhere as bad as when the Unix time hit the brick wall.

[@Frankoman64]

Exactly! I hate when people make fun of y2k. It was a real problem that people like you fixed.

[@jamesthurlow466]

I saw that number and just thought, max cash stack on runescape

[@hieriseli1]

Omg

[@scathiebaby]

WTF iz Runescape

[@hieriseli1]

scathiebaby what?!? A game.

[@static_motion]

RuneScape taught me the maximum value of a 32 bit integer well before I knew what "32 bit integer" meant.

[@wandatoress8228]

Felipe Varela how?

[@fmincer2]

well, i realy like numberphile, but alot stuff said here is simply explained wrong. the problem is not in the hardware. the problem is that unix itself reads out the RTC (that runs with the 3V battery) and stores its information in a 32bit signed integer and uses this for all time/date informations. it has nothing todo with the hardware itself and changing to 64bit unix(most easy solution) is what makes the 64bit hardware nececary.

[@RutiYT]

You recorded the video on June 20 2012 :) You however uploaded it on January 29 2013... Hmmm.....

[@DanDart]

The world has already been destroyed a tonne of times, but it's in a plural zone.. soooo :p

[@nolle]

nah they "published" it. If you edit even a small thing in your already uploaded video, it will display the date where you made that edit.

[@HashimAziz1]

Even if you edit metadata like the description?

[@dylanpritchard4981]

nolle Omg whoa... this is actually a huge change...

[@ClySuva]

I remember this 1 000 000 000 timestamp causing lots of issues as well. Many amateur PHP/MySQL systems actually sorted timestamps alphabetically. In this case the 1bil numbers came before anything else which began with 9. I just recently saw some production system that sorted files by date by concatenating datestamp to string, alphabetically sorting them, and then removing the timestamp. :D

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

I find it weird that 10^X would cause problems

[@ragamuff1n]

Just wanted to make a small nitpick - Clewett states that an 8-bit unsigned integer can hold a range of values from 0 to 256, when in fact the maximum value is 255.

[@schopengaard9796]

No, he says "it can count up to a maximum of 256". Which is correct. I don't hear anything about any value in his phrasing. 5 years later so I don't even know why I'm commenting =)

[@PauloConstantino167]

@@schopengaard9796 No. An 8 bit unsigned number can count up to 255 only, not 256.

[@sanjacobs6261]

@@schopengaard9796 "256 numbers" would be correct, but not just "to 256". And he did say a maximum of 256 and a minimum of 0.

[@dp055]

Upto 256 means 0 to 255

[@bbbl67]

Now, say what you will about the limits of 32-bit numbers, but one question is why did they use signed 32-bit numbers in a counter that only goes up? That immediately reduced the range of dates by 1 bit. If they used unsigned 32-bit numbers, then that would've put off the impending doom date by another 70 years, to 6:28:16 am EST Sunday, February 7, 2106!

[@JesseUnderscoreMartin]

Oh, ya know, time travel and all that... ;)

[@FredrIQ]

Presumably because they wanted to have the ability to deal with dates before 1970.

[@stensoft]

Becuase if you subtract 2016 from 2006 with unsigned numbers, you will get a date very far in the future instead of the correct -10 years, and back in the 1970s, they considered this easier computation to be much more important than going past 2038.

[@bbbl67]

You can still subtract unsigned numbers properly.

[@stensoft]

bbbl67 You can but it's not as easy as with signed numbers

[@ChaosTheSalamander]

um...DAD? I THINK THE COMPUTOR IS GONNA DIE!

[@general_prodigy]

No prob son, i got you "another one"

[@firstnamelastname2971]

Soo... my new 2016 audi RS7 will not be able to be driven in 2038

[@rebeccairwin9062]

Computer

[@screamsinrussian5773]

@@rebeccairwin9062 cewmputah

[@CoreFinder100]

by 2038, I can't see why people would use 32bit..

[@brotalnia]

CoreFinder100 Retro PC Gaming? I have a pentium 3 pc that i play dos games on. I don't really think this date thing will be a problem tough, i'll just rewind the date in the bios settings.

[@Navhkrin]

mPky1 SystemCurrenttimemillis returns long value, you just said longs are 64bits, but you also said currenttimemilis is 32bit, dafuq?

[@RobinLynn331]

this thread is still going? o.o

[@TheSwagGuy5000]

Alquimerico

[@davidolsen1222]

The software was compiled with 32 bit time in software. Even on a 64 bit computer the registers are the same. The command in 32 bit x86 is the same you move 32 bits from this register to that one. You could use a different register with the full 64 bits. But, you would have to recompile the programs. But, moreover you would have to change the sourcecode to use longs rather than ints. And that actually changes things a lot of time. If a programmer called 0xFFFFFFFF to be -1 because it is, when you use an int but you converted to longs without fully bug checking everything, you could cause serious problems. And this would require everybody recompile their code anyway to switch to 64 bits. But, stopping mission critical systems to change software can introduce bugs and cost billions. It's simply a giant risk to upgrade to new software when the older software has been working great for 20 years.

[@DanOfAwsome]

Computer time: June 20th 2012 Upload date: January 29 2013 holy shit, you guys take for ever to upload. And I know it takes less then 7 months to edit an 8 minute video. but then again, you could be just running this channel part time. Either way, I should be thankful you're making this content in the first place.

[@MataxaWhite]

they waited for exactly January 29th

[@michakrzyzanowski8554]

when the channel dies, we still have year of videos

[@Gavarillo]

I thought he was writing Pi

[@hizy8093]

+Gavarillo not the only one

[@hieriseli1]

Same

[@unitedstrike-mcpelegogames1037]

XD

[@neppy6804]

Gavarillo i can remember the first 8 :)

[@randomdude9135]

@@neppy6804 3.141592

[@PrimusProductions]

Will you do a video on whether 2001 should be the millennium or 2000 and problems with the Gregorian Calendar of not having a year zero?

[@arrowed_sparrow1506]

Well, it's 2019. And I recently fixed a McDonald's register "system"..... It was running WINDOWS 98!! Why? Because it just works.

[@pabloski10k]

You made me remember something. When Windows abandoned its support for the XP and left it vulnerable to viruses, it was discovered that almost 90% of ATMs in the World were still running on a XP computer. Why? Because it just works.

[@Anti-proton]

Just change the data width, recompile the kernel, and keep trucking :P Of course, another idea is keeping your times in your software as offsets from a base-time. I usually use an unsigned long integer and just count milliseconds.

[@davecrupel2817]

antiprotons or use a 64bit number

[@hamstermo]

For anyone who's wondering, the video was filmed on 20th June 2012 at 1pm (UTC)

[@SirJavaGaming]

The video has been recorded on 20.06.2012 1:12pm (UTC). Why was it uploaded half a year later? :)

[@sdmcelroy]

You should do a video on Plan 9 from Bell Labs. It's a fascinating story and brings massive advantages by simplifying our interactions with computers.

[@epicmarioplush2312]

so my 64-bit windows 7 computer will be fine?

[@isaackarjala7916]

Probably, but not because it had a 64 bit kernel, since the bitage of the kernel and the timestamp are unrelated.

[@chsxtian]

epicmario plush Windows doesn't use a unix timestamp in the first place, so you're fine.

[@lemur2870]

epicmario plush You'll probably have a new computer by then anyway. It's more than two decades away yet.

[@Navhkrin]

epicmario plush No, the value is 32bit, even if your computer is 64bit.

[@isaackarjala7916]

Michael Longhurst just like with y2k, the issue isn't end-user systems, it's servers.

[@xXx-un3ie]

4:10 Im sure he meant a min of 0 and a max of 255, not 256. He got the other signed margin right though

[@dstarfire42]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. The maximum value you can represent with any number of binary digits (assuming it's at least 1) is ALWAYS an odd number. Also, studying computer subnetting really drilled the binary maximums into my memory.

[@bleh1898]

It's actually going to be 1901, since the integer in which the number is stored is signed (it holds a plus/minus sign). When the byte "Fills up" the only bit left to flip is the sign bit, turning the number into the negative. So 2147483647 turns into -2147483648.

[@BunnyRaptor]

You filmed this June 20th 2012? Wow, it really does take you a while to upload these videos. A lot of work, perhaps.

[@audiblemagician6751]

+Чики Брики They probably thought they uploaded it and then on Jan. 29 they realized it never got uploaded and they uploaded it

[@gunterchain]

Shut up bandit

[@wajideu5005]

I think it's kind of a dumb idea to make assumptions about integer sizes on a machine. For C, the best practice imo is to use a big number library like gmp. If the integer size is supported by the machine, you can override the functions with preprocessor macros that do the math normally. This way, there's no performance hit when the integer size is supported and you can easily increase the size of the integer whenever you need to. The only limit on numbers then is how much ram you have.

[@peterpickaxe09]

Brady! I love your work and what you do, a few of your videos seem to be computer science based, just wondering have you ever thought of making videos on that subject? thanks!

[@yatox8]

Well at least we have 23 Years to get our systems up to 64-bit computing. This is just a great show to tell that if you live in the past, you will fall. Times change, so should our perception of humanities future; Resistance is futile!... ALL HAIL HYPNOTOAD!!

[@ludvighoelstad326]

two seconds in and I love this guy allready

[@dhy811]

I love his laugh at the end... Like a nervous way to deal with the morbidity of what he just said

[@Shiri_Yam]

I probably won't live up to this, but I kinda want to go back to this video in 2038. I want to watch this video again in 2038 and compare it to what actually happens lol

[@JesseUnderscoreMartin]

Didn't something like this happen with that Korean dance video that went viral? Wasn't youtube storing the amount of views as a 32 bit int?

[@tanan8116]

Yes.

[@BaxzXD]

yes

[@saltyasian4462]

It was confirmed as a joke by Google as the integer was always 64 bit.

[@user-zz6fk8bc8u]

Z source?

[@shehannanayakkara4162]

Z Nah what happened was that they changed it to 64-bit several months before when they saw Gangnam style approaching 2 bill views. So yes, the view counter 'breaking' was a joke but it wasnt always 64-bit.

[@Wyzwon]

He's wrong about the heat death statement. Red dwarfs live for a trillion years. The universe wont be particularly active then but stars forming now will be here four times as long. luckily, they don't run on Unix time :P

[@GameShowFan9001]

The heat death is supposedly going to happen in something like 10^120 (or so) years from now, way more than the 2 billion figure that was provided in the video

[@memk]

It's 2021. We are one more year closer to the end of time.

[@GregInHouston2]

I thought about this problem back in the 90s when I was designing a software package. The problem was that my compiler didn't handle 64 bit integers. I also stored hourly data in a file. Each record had a timestamp. A 64 bit timestamp increased the file size considerably. At the time, we were using floppies and size mattered. I never settled on how I was going to handle it but decided that I stored a 32 bit date offset in the configuration section of the file. But the problem was that I didn't think that would work well in 2038 when that value would cross from 0 to 1. The lower 32 bits would be zero at the start of the data but would overflow during the middle of the collection period. Such things were considered too inconsequential at the time and I was terminated.

[@Autoskip]

You've got me curious, I've now set my iPod to as far ahead as possible - midnight 1st of January 2038. Now to wait 19 day, 3 hours and 14 minutes...

[@br45entei]

I understand why we use the current time system, but I really don't see why we couldn't just make it so that the day, month, and year are saved independently as well as the normal 00:00:00 - 24:00:00 time value. One number to represent all of that seems a little silly to me really.

[@nikolaibelinski593]

cus if they are working together we can develop time travel and the computers will be the ones to send us there

[@0zfer]

06/20/2012 @ 1:12pm (UTC)

[@joemuis23]

SirJavaGaming i did :P

[@aislingoda6026]

0zfer I was so confused when I saw this. Being an Australian, seeing the six first made me think "you're wrong, it's the twentieth of June!" I then realised that the twentieth isn't a month, and I figured out from there that you had the same result as me.

[@EanaHufwe]

That's why some people write it as 20 JUN 2012, like me. I do that all the time.

[@HashimAziz1]

Or just adopt the British (i.e. superior) system: DD/MM/YY.

[@fluent_styles6720]

Hashim Aziz yeah

[@ArcherInRook]

Just discovered 32 bits time will end on your exact birthday is amazing

[@thirdislandmile]

Mmm, I could listen to (and watch) James explain this kind of stuff all night.

[@PianoVidz]

2,147,483,647 what is up with that number? it shows up everywhere when dealing with maximum numbers in computers???

[@try6767youtubacc]

It equals ((2^32)/2)-1 In other words, it's the top (positive) value of a 32-bit variable, which is comprised out of 32 binary bits. So the range of numbers that can be represented with it (as explained in the video for 8 bits), is either 0 to 4,294,967,296, or -2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,647. In order for the time-calculation mechanism of computers to be able to handle past dates the latter option was chosen, so if you start from 1/1/1970 as your zero-time (aka the Unix Epoch) and count the time in seconds it equals around 68 years, in either direction.

[@shobithchadagapandeshwar9764]

A 32-bit computer can represent 2^32= 4,294,967,296 numbers essentially from -2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,647.

[@MarkGamed]

(2^(32-1))-1

[@SuperFranzs]

I'm just screaming in side me at the beginning: LINUX!

[@ieattapes]

NEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDD!!!

[@SuperFranzs]

ieattapes have you ever actually used ubuntu?

[@nameguy101]

+Kim André Moen Bjørkede (Super Franzs) Linux uses Unix time as well

[@SuperFranzs]

+Nameguy That's why I was screaming it at the beginning.

[@Newbyte]

Hardly any home users use Linux though, compared to Mac or especially Windows.

[@davidthomas4978]

Could they not just set the counter back to -2 147 483 648 when each computer starts and set it to the current time? Surely the value of a counter can be set to a different starting point.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

+David Thomas Not without an IBM 5100 to debug the legacy programs for you.

[@amigojapan]

Jacen Solo Psy el Conrgoo!

[@clausnymann5527]

At the peak of my nerdom, I attended UNIX's 1 billion-second birthday, when it was celebrated in Copenhagen, Denmark. Thanks DKUUG, SSLUG and BSD-DK for that event! 🙂

[@tomdonaldson698]

I didn't realise this was a numberphile video!

[@ForkGenesis]

~16 years left, guys

[@LiborTinka]

Yep, that's why I store Unix time in LONG everywhere :-)

[@zeddash]

You should store it as ulong, because you can.

[@AB-om2qp]

+FinnShack world war 1 and 2, Women getting the right to vote. That's only s few ;)

[@nameguy101]

+Andrex Plays what

[@AB-om2qp]

He said nothing important happened be4 1970

[@AB-om2qp]

***** ohhh I feel like such an idiot now

[@YnseSchaap]

Wasn't there supposed to crash a comet onto earth in 2038 ?

[@theq4602]

We have nukes. And rockets, and a extensive global program devoted to finding and tracking asteroids and comets that could hit the earth. As long as WWIII doesn't disrupt that program we should be fine.

[@fmlAllthetime]

+David Vermillion Blowing up a massive asteroid would be one of the worst things you could do :I

[@theq4602]

fmlAllthetime Other than hitting satellites what could it hurt?

[@fmlAllthetime]

David Vermillion Really think about what you're saying for a second.

[@ElPastalero]

Fun Fact: 2,147,483,647 is 2 off from being one half of a previously featured number on Numberphile - 4,294,967,296 (2,147,483,647 x 2 is actually 4,294,967,294, not 4,294,967,296)

[@user-uc9fm8bn9o]

They where recording this video on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 at 13:11:51 GMT

[@PikarinePlays]

20th June 2012 eh?

[@macwas5900]

"The end of Gangnam Style views" ammirite?

[@saatvikjain3]

it was based on the same thing.

[@deletevil]

exactly, they stored view count variable as signed integer despite the fact that view count can not be a negative integer ever. A Noob's mistake.

[@jakewhite9967]

Mac Was always

[@soyoltoi]

Sumit Singh Google programmers aren't noobs. They had a reason for that. I believe you can find it on their style guide.

[@areebjamaliam]

It was a joke

[@JonnyInfinite]

"Planes will fall from the sky, Nuclear reactors will meltdown..." remember all that millennium bug bollocks? Absolutely sod all happened.

[@brianmiller1077]

+JonnyInfinite because we put a lot of time into fixing that issue to keep it from happening.

[@JonnyInfinite]

+Brian Miller yeah right. Pull the other one

[@JonnyInfinite]

+Joshua Bruton where is your proof?

[@JonnyInfinite]

+Nubbitude 'Jack' sounds like a right scam

[@JonnyInfinite]

+Philip Rambaran I think it was used to crowbar money for something that wasn't much of a problem.

[@conorreedR2C]

I just realized that this video was uploaded on my birthday....... All the best.......

[@ZiMilkMan]

He said in the video "Most of you at home probably have either Windows or Mac, and they have a little counter buried in that system that's been ticking away every second, that's been ticking away since January 1st, 1970" he was referring to the Unix counter

[@fhtem7828]

Oh god the end of time itself is on my birth day!

[@SimLPs]

Isn't that the really famous tetris player?

[@cjomero5342]

2038 will be the end of all 32-bit things, like today's technology.

[@LeBourineur]

+Cj Omero still working on 16bit technology

[@maedafeelscoke5684]

the end of 32-bit is at Mon Jan 18 22:14:08 2038 but i want 128-bit cpu before the year 292271025014 xD the year 292271025014 = the end of 64-bit

[@boomerboxer3574]

Jowat Defuc 128 bit is probably 387498723847284782374874827987348728374827875847892798789579021772347832787179287348718975764817877897582747852784758287945975847857002786786927486758678275878476827578765878278768728776767364827658782475409672904068927876376455038453048-345e5978-396-54-539-4593-495-95e-045prod;fkvghhjcxbvbuvru34gv64

[@iambalkan]

+BoomerBoxerReal damn 🤖

[@boomerboxer3574]

iambalkan i actually got a random piece of pi and just started mashing my keyboard

[@thatguy_apu]

Am i the only one who noticed that he was wrong about the 8-bit thing ? 8 bits can only be 255, a range of 2^0 to 2^7. 8 bits only don't allow 256, because that would be 2^8, which would require a ninth bit. The maximum single-bit number that you can display with 8 bits is 128, and the maximum total 8-bit number is 255.

[@GoldTrousers]

If the would have used an unsigned integer for the GP count like they should have, since they don't need to worry about negative values in item counts, the max 'stack' would be max unsigned 32-bit which is 4,294,967,295. Anyways, the maximum number of anything in any 32-bit game (Score, Money, XP, Position Co-ordinates, etc.) is one of those two max integers depending on the signage.

[@samiraperi467]

"Time will "end" for 32-bit computers on 19 January, 2038." Yeah no. Only if they use 32-bit time_t. I have a 32-bit computer that runs out of time some time in the 22nd century, because AmigaOS uses a different epoch and IIRC an unsigned 32-bit int.

[@tresbrown684]

What date does it run out at?

[@charlesisbozo]

At least then people will finally move off XP...

[@markdudley7575]

We'll have 128 bit computers or even higher by 2038

[@romanivanovich6717]

nope

[@Sqaaakoi]

Mark Dudley ...

[@gooz1691]

UNIX time with 64 bit will run out after the Sun inhales Earth so no point really

[@ultru3525]

+Pan kurczak You're already using numbers way bigger than 128 bit; when it comes to cryptography, the number of atoms in the universe won't cut it, RSA keys are up to 1154 orders of magnitude larger.

[@gooz1691]

Why do so many people get this wrong? 128bit is not twice as big as 64bit. 65bit is twice as big.

[@daedra40]

James makes any video an instant favourite :P

[@Christopher.E.Souter]

There is a tiny rechargeable battery inside inside the machine, which powers the CMOS clock, which is the part that does all the counting. That battery gets charged every time you run the computer, even when you're only running it on battery power.

[@patsonical]

Guys, Unix Timestamp = 1.5 billion 14-07-2017 at 02:40:00 (am) Mark your calendars!

[@sebastianespejoloyaga7603]

Nothing happened...

[@tieb1407]

That's my birthday :D

[@jalualex]

nothing happened

[@tanan8116]

I think in 2028 32-bit is going to be completly usless because of the exponential amount of RAM increasing in average home computers.

[@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579]

Oh noes! Teh next Y2K! Lets all go buy bread and milk and hide in our shelters!

[@TesterAnimal1]

You one of these denialist nutters?

[@bruceeinhorn8082]

Though you're correct about the Mac OS being a variant of UNIX, (NetBSD and FreeBSD) to be exact, you're wrong about the X. That does indeed stand for 10, in case you're not familiar with Roman numerals.

[@AJenbo]

Windows actually doesn't use Unix time but a bunch of different mechanisms. It's file system (NTFS) uses 64bit from year 1601 divided by 100. But the counter for the running time can only count as much as 50th day since last boot. There are lots more of these issues to look out for if you are developing for Windows.

[@its_noli6543]

Guys dont freak thats not the end of time it will end in 10 million years until the sun will centerpiece with earth and rip it into the suns inner peice and bam destroyed

[@DanDart]

That's not the end of time either, just the Earth.. hopefully whatever becomes of humans will have escaped by then... also it's more like 10,000 million years

[@demuriffic7152]

Not only the Earth, but could be the whole solar system

[@Fetidaf]

Kathie Dart I think it's even more than that 😂

[@red_isopat]

sun has nothing to do with time

[@demuriffic7152]

Gentel Noober Everything happens with time. PAST PRESENT FUTURE

[@Andranadu]

64 bit time would end in the year 1169108100477

[@zoltanpataki1307]

what about a 1024bit pc/phone??

[@petaflopminecraftmore2338]

+zoltán ifj.pataki That would not be needed. We needn't ever create a 128-bit machine, let alone 1024 bit.

[@eLJaybud]

Not needed unless some form of mathematics has a specific requirement.

[@4345ghee]

Convert.ToInt64(unixTime); I’ll be collecting my royalty checks now kthxbye

[@pfever]

so you filmed this on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:12:11 GMT? but uploaded until 29 Jan 2013? 0.o

[@lambsum]

Fun story: A few weeks back I was playing on my iPod on a trip when it ran out of battery. When we got to the place I charged it but since it couldn't connect to wifi (we didn't have any at the place). It couldn't find out the time from that and so it just automatically went to 1970. I took some photos which I thought were disappearing and being deleted for some reason until I realised they had all gone to the top of my camera roll.

[@lonestarr1490]

You got lucky that you didn't got your password wrong three times, for it would have make you wait for 46 years until you could try again.

[@rchaffer]

Happy new Unix Epoch!

[@AlarmClock65]

I think you're right. I got 06/20/2012 too at approximately 1:12 UTC, which is 6:12 AM in UTC-7 and 6:12 PM in UTC+5.

[@Mathhead2000]

Actually, 1970 is 0 as a Unix Timestamp, but when it rolls over, it will be -2^31 not 0 (because it is a signed 32 bit integer.) So it will be about 1970 - (2038 - 1970) = 1902

[@jazzpi]

Depends on the lang you're talking about. For Java e.g. it's sizeof(int) = 32; sizeof(long) = 64.

[@rich1051414]

My mother worked for Trades publishing, which published the Y2K magazine. None of us believed the hype, but it was her job. Well, the electric company had scheduled an electrical maintenance at 11:59pm friday, which happened to be 1 minute before new years. Talk about freaking out. It freaked so many out, it made the news and the electric company had to make a public apology.

[@DaveScottAggie]

It is interesting to learn how these situations come about.

[@StereoBucket]

By the way. It's the number and not the OS. Sure with 64 bit OS you can get more stuff but the whole number that is used for a clock is a signed 32 bit integer. You can make 128 or 256 bit PC but that number is still 32 bit signed integer. You have to change it manually to 64 bit integer. The 64 bit installation of windows does not do that. Neither do other OSes with 64 bits.

[@PanicProvisions]

I was looking exactly for this.

[@jack91x]

It's "unix-like". It is a direct evolution of Unix cia GNU, BSD, and MINIX. Whereas Unix is a copyrighted program, Linux is its open-source "clone" that was created so everyone would have access to similar tools.

[@tugno9639]

We’re going back in time baby

[@stephblackcat]

it's not built on it no, but the original version WAS based (as you said "like" or to simulate) on Unix. From what I remember from the Linux part of my networking class a good deal of the little invisible ways that things are done are still VERY Unix like including still using the Unix time variable.

[@kikeonline]

it was film on 06/20/2012 @ 1:12pm (UTC)

[@Elsid1111]

Don't know much, but guessing it doesn't work like that. Unix time is basically just a giant number counting in seconds up from 00:00:00 1 January 1970. So if you change the date on your computer, you aren't increasing the number of unix seconds you have counting on some little component in there, just the date which the computer attaches to that number. Don't actually know if this is true, but what I'd guess.

[@tristanbay]

Wouldn't that 3:14:07 on 1/19/2038 be slightly off, though, do to any leap seconds we may add to the time? Or do we add a second to UNIX time as well?

[@thekidfromiowa]

3:14 = pi o'clock

[@MatthiasVanGestel]

it's about 32 bit computers. And I think it is unix bound. Also in 32 bit systems you can fix this by using another 32 bit register (2 in total) to count the time effectively increasing the possible time.

[@LUXITANE]

What about 16 august,year 2880?

[@Wallamanut]

So, I'm not exactly sure if I'm right on this, but I calculated that this video was recorded somewhere around May 8th, 2012 at 3:26, which would mean that this video took them a while to upload. Has anybody else gotten anything different?

[@mike200017]

This issue has nothing to do with 32bit vs 64bit architectures. It has to do with the library code. POSIX-compliant systems provide a standard set of time functions, which also happens to be the ISO C standard time functions (in the time.h header), which did not require a specific minimum size for the integer representing the time. Most OS implementations just decided to use 32bit integers for this (long before 32bit computers even existed) because it seemed "big enough" at the time. Now, most OSes have expanded to 64bit integers (whether you have a 32bit or 64bit computer)... but there are still many very old systems around that still carry an old enough OS version to have 32bit integers for time, and assuming they will still be in use in 24 years, then they'll need a long-overdue replacement.

[@lister_of_smeg6545]

And this isn't just limited to operating systems. You also have the problem of legacy software which was compiled using the 32-bit time_t (or which used their own implementation of UNIX time rather than the standard libraries) for which the source code is not available.

[@muffinV136]

So since I'm using a 64 bit computer will it still work?

[@uditrawat2404]

really loved the fact about computing ,what if we manually set the time to that point ?