Another trip to the mill to cut a non popular type of wood and testing the Doyle log scale footages!

[@litewatefitr]

The scale stick explanation was new to me....thanks brother! Wishing you a speedy recovery, and peace to the family. All the best, bud.

[@alpharomeo15]

I don't mind saying, that camera angle is one that Mark is always needed, between the one on his booth and one on the carriage.... what a great shot combination! 👏🏽 👍🏼☺

[@walshwoodworks8964]

Bigtooth is what we have a lot of in northern michigan. Everyone’s homes in my family were built with it. Cut on our Farmall driven circle mill. It makes really nice trim too.

[@woodfella21]

I've been watching Mark for several years now, and your different camera angles shed a new light on to his operation. Nice! I humbly suggest you get the Construction Master 5 app for your phone. It's a linear calculator, that as a carpenter/woodworker I've used for decades. It will very quickly calculate just about anything, including board feet. I always thought in watching the different saw milling channels, that the Doyle scale was a little skimpy with their numbers. As I was watching this video I was calculating board footage for your 15" diameter log. Geometrically, the maximum square that fits inside a 15" circle has sides that are 10 5/8". So an 8-ft log would yield 75 board feet. Which does not factor in any jacket boards that you might yield before squaring the cant. Your video also enlightened me that the mills don't figure in that last 4x4 because of it's pitch content. So I guess you would have to subtract 10.66 board feet from the 75 BF calculation.

[@wayoutwest4944]

I always enjoy when two you tubers get together in a video. Subscribed to the both of you.

[@nuts319]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@horacerumpole80]

Please watch Time with T.H.E. Eddie Horvath also for the down end of the saw mill.

[@gayle4804]

Absolutely enjoyed this video it was something different that you've done and it's really enlightening of what it entails

[@nuts319]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@gayle4804]

Most definitely love seeing logs cut

[@lancejohnson16]

Thanks to Mark and you Pete! I enjoy both of your channels from Altoona, PA

[@nuts319]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@horacerumpole80]

Watch "Time with T.H.E. Eddie Horvath " for the down end of the sawmill. Very good explanations of what was being cut and how.

[@crankypreezer]

It's nice to see Galicic's setup from a different perspective, but you gotta add your own BOOM!

[@garyblevins3532]

I found out about your channel through Mark and I watched his video of cuttin your Aspin log. Rather interesting wood. Have a good one.

[@nuts319]

Thanks Gary

[@dawndippery9277]

Thanks for showing us how to figure out board feet - Doyle scale vs actual. Also love the new views you showed us. ❤ the fact you guys are so close and can work together.

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

Pete… like sycamore, cottonwood and sassafras were used here, for dynamite cases, in the early 20th century. Aspen was used for explosive and ammunition crates out west. My father’s brother worked in a dynamite crate factory that bought lumber by the car load. He would tell me about the pros and cons of different woods from his perspective. I remember aspen because I’d never seen a live tree outside of the cowboy shows! His favorite wood… sycamore. Lightweight, straight and never split. About aspen… he was glad he seldom had it. It wasn’t straight and had a lot of warp. Thanks bud. I hadn’t thought about uncle Bill for years.

[@nuts319]

Great comment. Thank you.

[@singleshot2218]

That was interesting..I wonder why some had such a rough surface. Thanks for sharing, take care and God bless! Stay safe!🙏✝️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@umichbran]

Great collaboration! You gave us bus motor fans some great angles we've been missing out on. Be safe out there.

[@ericsargent4551]

Great video!! Good information on the Doyle scale. Thx for sharing….

[@joeahopelto8032]

Thanks for the ride! This way we can see the whole process.

[@deaddadd]

You're wise to tap into Mark's, Eddie's and ZZ's knowledge.

[@horacerumpole80]

Always happy to see Pete at the bus motor sawmill.

[@alanm3438]

Thanks for the nice camera angles at Mark's shop. Good to see you!!!!!😎😎😎😎

[@rat8356]

I love how Eddie slowly brings her up to full rabbit!

[@Z-Bart]

The very first HS wood shop project I made was out of Poplar. May have even been Rainbow Poplar. Beautiful black streaks in it. It was a little end table. It now holds my printer. That was 48 years ago.

[@tsant6591]

Great camera angles. Made it really Intresting and good perspective on Mark and the gangs operation

[@wendyduncan6277]

Great video awesome to see that you get that much more out of a small log. I use that wood for base boards around the house with the right stain looks great.

[@johnfahey7215]

This is great! I subscribe to both channels, so it’s a win-win

[@peteshields1448]

My buyer buys on scribner , it’s better for the logger on the small logs . 15”- 8 log scales 70board ft . That was a interesting vid Pete

[@robertsanders6463]

What a neat shot Mark,Love it

[@ramjet7470]

WOW!! It adds up fast. That's a nice mill setup!

[@markfleming9073]

I like the way you spoke about the tree's and the way back differs it's a great interest of mine e I also like camera location very different

[@troytreeguy]

Big tooth for stuff your hands touch like ladder legs, it fuzzes rather than splinters. It planes up fine I know a guy who made apple ladders from the big tooth with ash rungs. Last ages if it can dry out.

[@randledugger9340]

2 of my most favorite KZbin celebs! Love love love both of these channels! I'm happier than a pig in slop!

[@limestonecowboy9219]

I've used the Doyle log and tree scale for years,it's very accurate.

[@sawyerrob949]

I've milled a LOT of Aspen on my BSM, because I have a LOT of it on my place. It's not always easy to get it to dry flat and it does get pretty hard to drive a nail into it after it dries. I did build a small building out of it many years ago, but I kept it up off the ground and it's holding up just fine. I also use it for small projects in my wood shop as it's pretty easy wood to make things out of. SR

[@dougsmith9099]

Great view the ole bus motor sounding great. Good explanation there pete

[@nuts319]

Thanks 👍

[@oldtireman4665]

That was very pleasantly different than the usual fare. Some very nice camera placements. Really like that second one. Would be nice to overlay Mark’s commentary over your video.

[@justinweaver8107]

I like watchn it go in an out giggity🤣🤣🤣. Good info on scaling logs brother thank u 4 sharing.

[@davidhuffine5084]

Never seen aspen milled . Not to bad . Got to see Mark operate in the first part Have not seen aspen milled . Not to bad . Got to see you and the guys , Pete . Good movie .

[@williamellis8993]

I watched this on Mark's channel so I had to come here to see your version. The different perspective is really interesting. Bill

[@robertkennedy3632]

Hey Pete 👋, good info on a log scale

[@brucehuff5566]

Very nice looking lumber. Thanks for sharing this with us. Keep sending us info. Stay safe

[@donbullock8790]

Another one of your great videos. I've been watching Bus Motor videos for a long time they have come a long way. Once they the power and a new edger they will be even better. Multiple cameras and split screen viewing and they'll double their viewers. Thank You.

[@seanpierce7673]

Hi yeah pete! Yeah made me think of my dad! Thanks. He scaled logs for almost 40 years! And that was mostly pacific scale! But he did teach me both! Dole dose count out defect but not as much as dole dose!

[@fricknjeep]

hi there great show , glad you made it john

[@Sparky6547]

Some great camera angle to complement Mark's

[@KevinsDisobedience]

I’m enjoying these saw mill vids. Most mills around here run bandsaws. My uncle put in an old-school style mill like this when we were kids. The fucking thing scared the hell out of me. You had to basically be right there on top of the damn thing to work it, and the spring and pulley system winged the log through the circular saw so fast that if you got stuck in it you were minced meat. Also, wore you the fuck out chasing the cut offs and boards on the other end. That was our job as kids lol.

[@jeffpeters1014]

I have an Amish sawyer that cuts my logs for me, it’s very satisfying to cut your own trees and eventually build something with that lumber. Good video.

[@justinweaver8107]

Very nice buddy hope all is well.

[@evanjohnson3578]

New to the channel, really enjoyed it . Great mill !!

[@nuts319]

Thank you

[@bluethunder1951]

That was some awesome camera angles, and info on Doyle ruler. I subscribed and will be going through your vids. Thanks for sharing.

[@kevinknight6302]

I saw Marks video. Keen to see this one now

[@oldmaninthewood6514]

Those circular mils are fast

[@mattkomar8372]

Hey man I just wanted to let you know I went back a little while and I watched your video of you I believe you were standing by the skidder and it really spoke to my heart. I'm doing firewood right now as I'm laid off as a construction superintendent but I think I have decided to pull the trigger and go out on my own this spring. I'm going to offer excavation, tree work, and some other property maintenance type services it's going to be scary but I got god with me and a hard work ethic, so I just wanted to say thank you for that extra little push! My channel name is Matt's Outdoor Services.... If you get a chance check me out

[@nuts319]

Get after it buddy!

[@johnking8679]

Best wishes to you, Matt Komar on your new venture !!👍🙏🇺🇲

[@horacerumpole80]

"Things done well and with a care, exempt themselves from fear." "Henry VIII, Act 1scene 2." You can do all things if your mind be so. Watch Pete and Mark and Eddie. They are doing it, so can you.

[@jeffreyjamison5420]

Aspen logs are really stringy when you saw them and are the same way when you plane them

[@waynetharp]

Oh Boy...The great scale debate! Don't bring up politics at a Holiday dinner and don't bring up scale if your family are loggers!🤠

[@nuts319]

Lol

[@KevinsDisobedience]

Interesting how much board feet the logger looses on a log that size.

[@jerryking2418]

Nice looking lumber.

[@barryhansen6854]

Modernized Mike McCoy without the story telling Pete love it.

[@jamesb9564]

I miss mikes stories

[@barryhansen6854]

@@jamesb9564 don't we all.

[@davidhaley7053]

@@barryhansen6854 that's what I was thinking too.

[@barryhansen6854]

@@davidhaley7053 this is a name from the past, wish you well.

[@jeffreyostrich1675]

You mentioned the mill in Emporium, we have our family camp in Emporioum. Shot my first bear there this past season!

[@troytreeguy]

Big tooth for stuff your hands touch like ladder legs, it fuzzes rather than splinters. It planes up fine I know a guy who made apple ladders from the big tooth with ash rungs. Last ages if it can dry out. I tend to use the international scale, and a 15” reads 75bf. Which is almost in the middle of the Doyle and the actual yield. Logs are all different but just for discussion sake.

[@brianhaselden9186]

You've discovered what a lot of us have known. Mark and company transform some really hideous logs into top-grade lumber.

[@markhowes126]

Doyle rule really under estimates bf in smaller logs. That 4x4 by 8ft would only be about 11 bf.

[@nuts319]

It was was a little bigger than a 4x4

[@TheOldManAndTheSaw]

Excellent camera placement!!

[@jamessimmons1888]

Good video Nuts 318, found your channel from Bus Motor Productions

[@nuts319]

Welcome to the channel

[@mmccoy577]

Looks cold 🥶

[@nuts319]

Very lol

[@beebop9808]

I guess us southern boys would call that white poplar. 😄

[@jeanwillis810]

great video!

[@turtlekoff1]

Great camera angle !

[@jkmcp45]

Nuts I haven’t seen your channel in a while KZbin hasn’t let ya come across my dash board for some reason or another and I just checked and you Tater and the little southern logger were all unsubscribed I didn’t do it anyway how ya doing bud got some vid catching up to do seeing it’s to moist to get in our 3 winter jobs that are across a swamp or two and one is just a suck hole from hell needs to get cold so gonna watch my favorite loggers and stay warm by fire sip some distillates of corn aged in my favorite charred wood if ya know what I mean

[@ToddAdams1234]

Good to see you again Pete. Besides the saw blade, is there any ONE thing that you can tell that makes that machine area as loud as it is?

[@nuts319]

Motor

[@firecaptaintom1977]

Say again, can't hear you.

[@nuts319]

@@firecaptaintom1977 lol

[@mumfordthepitbull4581]

@@nuts319 That 2 stroke Detroit Diesel is well known for its efficiency at converting diesel fuel into noise.

[@garywhelton9304]

HI brother !! Mark sent me over . just subed .

[@nuts319]

Welcome to the channel

[@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648]

Get well Pete

[@robintaylor-mockingeemill8223]

Nice view of Marks phone booth

[@firecaptaintom1977]

Our wood was scaled using Scribner Decimal C. Maybe cuz the average size is smaller?

[@nuts319]

Different areas use different scale

[@fallcreek7124]

Awesome videos, Really like how you explain things. Also, How do I order your apparel ?

[@nuts319]

You just email me but I have to get some made up all I have right now is a couple shirts

[@gregwitkamp5583]

Pete thats a cool video

[@robertjordan4691]

Wonder what the moisture content is in those logs? The grain looks fuzzy or stringy coming off the saw.

[@nuts319]

It’s high

[@redbonemike17]

Great video Pete......did Mark do one also ? Would like to get his perspective on it from the Sawyers standpoint

[@nuts319]

He did I believe

[@horacerumpole80]

Commentary was on "Time with T.H.E. Eddie Horvath" channel, (I think).

[@PineInTheAshMilling]

if it was cut on a band mill it probably 10 to 15 %

[@VideosByAl]

Doyle is set up to discourage loggers from hauling in a bunch of small log. The "Over Run" is to compensate the sawmill owner for slow production sawing small logs. You can cut a fat hog buying a 12" x 8' log at 32 BDFT and making a 7x9x8' Tie at 42 BDFT in 5 minutes or less. But you have to be set up to make Ties fast.

[@nuts319]

Great info thank you

[@dancudworth8963]

Most mills want the small logs , how about the time and money to the logger who has to produce them ? Mills make a killing on small logs that's why they want them.

[@VideosByAl]

@@dancudworth8963 If a mill is producing Grade Lumber they want 18-30" logs. Small logs are a money looser. If Ties and Blocking is the product line then smalls work fine.

[@dancudworth8963]

@@VideosByAl I contracted for years for one of the largest hardwood grade mills in northwestern pa . They wanted logs down to nine inches , they would crawl through my pulpwood pile marking out boarder line nine inch logs .don't sound to me like there loosing money , they are getting a twenty thirty percent overrun across the mill while the logger looses ,I've counted 160 180 pecker poles on a truck and get a scale of 1300 1400 hundred feet , pretty tuff to stay in business doing that . Again no compensation , just part of the job , while the mills laugh all the way to the bank . Been that way for years and years

[@nuts319]

@@dancudworth8963 big reason why I cut by the load and not by the foot!!!

[@joetibbles1553]

Hey Pete. I know you've talked about it before on the channel b4 but where abouts do you find those log savers you put in for the checking? Been lookin all over and I'm havin trouble. Some nice aspen. We have large tooth and trembling (quaking) here.. we cut lots of it around in central Ontario. Keep safe.

[@nuts319]

U-C Coatings or CSP forestry

[@KevinsDisobedience]

How often do they have to sharpen or change out those blades? And do they warp?

[@KevinsDisobedience]

Never mind, just heard him say two years. Not sure how much board feet that is, but a lot lol.

[@ishure8849]

G'day Kevin, the main thing is that the saw is vertically orientated the way nature intended it to be 👍.

[@normanwyatt8761]

I don't particularly like those new angles........Bring back the old one so that I can see that saw cut through those tree trunks like butter.....

[@justinweaver8107]

We got so much rain its ridiculous

[@nuts319]

Same here

[@tomharrington1393]

👍👍

[@ishure8849]

G'day Nut job, once again the faller and the miller collaboration vid and I'm subbed to you both life's good. You would of had some of Marks subs getting dizzy with you running around getting the monetised shots ! I shouldn't laugh at my own jokes 🙃Anyway can you send me one of those Rulers I'll pay pal you plus shipping and for your trouble if it wouldn't knock you around to much thanks nothing like that over here. PS I Liked the way Mark did the old walk away comment I need to change out those teeth after they've been in there for two years in other words I don't need to hear your response I do the same thing 👍.

[@ishure8849]

I like the idea that if I cut through a half inch bolt I'm not going to be wearing my saw blade as a neck tie 👍.

[@HotrodRon74]

nice looking wood,,what are you building....

[@nuts319]

Not sure yet

[@oldmaninthewood6514]

It is cheaper to run a circular mil in a Bandmill band last about four hours the Saw bit last months in month

[@paulblankenship5025]

Nice camera angles

[@randywells4674]

Second view is some what better

[@triple6758]

The Quaking Aspen here will rot on the trailer on the way to mill.

[@nuts319]

Lol

[@douglasbranham6099]

I miss Mark's commentary. It is most informative and entertaining.

[@horacerumpole80]

Watch "Time with T.H.E. Eddie Horvath" for the sawmill commentary.

[@leonardryan8723]

4”by 4 “ = 10.6 board feet . Thick x Wide x length divide by 12 give you board feet . 1” x 8” x8’ = 64 divide 12 = 5.3 board feet in that board .

[@nuts319]

My apologies I said 4 x 4, but it was bigger

[@leonardryan8723]

I went by 8’ long on 4” by 4” if it was 10’ long be 13.3 board feet.

[@paulrcreech7731]

Better when control camera

[@eddyarundale1566]

👋

[@ishure8849]

Eddy👍.

[@darlynearmstrong1599]

Hi I don't care for the vew of this one!! I like the vew from the side.

[@dennishayes65]

A 4”x4”x8’ has 10.68 board ft. not 16!

[@nuts319]

It was 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 and for some reason I figured it being a 10 foot piece. I don’t know why I had a brain fart I apologize.

[@davidhensley76]

This is the worst roller coaster ride I've ever taken. 😊

[@paulrcreech7731]

Better

[@randywells4674]

I have one question before I subscribe how much free items do you take for advertising I stay with channel that stay true to their purpose I like folks that work for what the get they pay for it not advertise

[@nuts319]

I don’t get free stuff lol

[@dancudworth8963]

Doyle scale scales a square can't where international scale scales any side boards plus the cant

[@oldtimerf7602]

Exactly. Doyle is a rip off. Logger and landowner get porked.

[@dancudworth8963]

Yup ! I didn't buy the timber they hired me to harvest it , where was my compensation for the small logs and defects ? I logged for twenty some years , I wish I had all the footage stolen by the sawmills, you'll never see a wealthy logger !

[@dandamcgowan2586]

I've never cared for Doyle scale

[@johnking8679]

Must be honest and tell you that I don't like the camera angle on the first log !! I much prefer the camera angle that is on the left corner of Mark's booth. (When you're looking at Mark from the log) It's the angle that I've been looking at for ever..........please resume that camera angle.