Nvidia just launched a 3 year old GPU [RANT]

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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:54 Nvidia's launching an RTX WHAT?
2:13 A weird launch: No reviews, no MSRP
4:20 Partners lose, scalpers lose - Win-win?
6:04 Have they just been hoarding GPUS???
8:01 But why more GDDR6?
9:42 Could this be... a good thing?

[@ryanp.2201]

“So tell us, NVIDIA, what inspired you to release a second RTX 2060 right next to the original?” NVIDIA: “Money!”

[@darkangak]

A A A A A A A

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

Tbf they discontinued the 2060 wasaaaay to quickly. Not surprised they're relaunching it

[@robertt9342]

Seems like a good reason to launch, sort of a win win for consumers too.

[@ech0ech071]

Nvidia is just Mr Krabs in disguise

[@taylormeyer671]

It is a business. what do you expect?

[@deadslota]

Cool my 3yr old 2060s I got used is now cutting edge tech! First time i've ever had a current gen card :D

[@deadslota]

@@cowmath77 yeah fair point, i could sell it for more than I paid for it atm. the gpu market is still crazy.

[@Mavhawk64]

Now you have card that’s not even out yet!!!

[@teetea7734]

You absolute legend!

[@larine4459]

I sold my 5700xt for $950, bought a strix 3070 for $1050 lmao gpus have never been cheaper if you already had one

[@josh77577]

@@cowmath77 I love my 3060 Ti it is an amazing card. I can even play games at 4k ultra + ray tracing on new AAA games with it at 60 fps. Thanks to DLSS 2.0+ performance settings. DLSS wins the generation for Nvidia vs AMD/Consoles.

[@Twinrehz]

I actually *did* build my most recent computer in 2019. I wasn't too thrilled about the RTX 2070, but seeing how things are now, I'm glad I bought it.

[@AndyViant]

Me too. I wanted to upgrade just to 2060 Super but went 2070 Super even though it seemed way too much money. Ended up a win, for sure.

[@blackbirddocumentaries]

@@AndyViant same

[@rekhyl]

Ay same, got an Asus RTX 2070 Super right before the shortage started.

[@ChrisD__]

Me: 2019, yeah I'll wait.

[@05milmachine90]

Same, I refreshed my laptop with a 2060 version and built a 2070 Super desktop right before the mayhem. Never before do I remember a 2 year old PC component being "worth" more than I paid for it new.

[@TurboGoth]

Oh boy, i'm glad I ordered a new machine immediately after Linus warned to do so because we were right on the cusp of terrible unavailability at the beginning of the lockdowns. That was some legit general advice.

[@rebeka145]

I wish I built new computer last year, I was thinking about it and now its too late :( you made a wise deicision

[@malucart]

5:57 "Heavier than a sweater and lighter than a jacket, everyone wins" "Except... not really."

[@kaldo_kaldo]

If you need a jacket, get that. If you need a sweater, get that.

[@steverhysjenks]

aka a mid-layer

[@milesfarber]

Hey remember when linus called everyone an AMD fanboy on livestream because we were excited about HBM and HBM2 and direct storage?

[@neondemon5137]

@@milesfarber and?

[@milesfarber]

@@neondemon5137 When is Linus going to apologize and admit that the Vega 64 literally changed the industry?

[@maxview99]

Linus was too calm. I want angry Linus, pounding on a desk and pointing at the camera in rage.

[@MisterBung]

Only Linux can do that...

[@Freestyle80]

go to r/amd then

[@thatguyalex2835]

First off, the Chip Shortage, GPU scalpers and the crypto miners are getting me angry. :/ I don't even game, or see the need for a GPU, but for most people my age (20s), we would like to have affordable GPUs. Technological stagnation is happening now because of this chip crisis. [Slams Desk]

[@KristianSeigle]

Me too☹️ this rant seems more script reading than salty Linus speaking his mind.

[@blendpinexus1416]

well i did grab a brand new 12gb 2060 for the street price of a basic used 2060...worth every dollar

[@austincheney8598]

I got my 2060 like a month before prices sky rocketed for everything. Looks like I’ll be holding onto this card for the next two years at least with the way things are going. The 2060 is still a great mid tier card

[@NayTheHorsee]

Sameeeeeeeee

[@Sim_Flix]

Yeah I've had my 2060 for almost two years now I've got no major complaints about it. I only have a 1080p monitor anyway, and you can play most if not all games with full settings on. I still think it's a great little card.

[@travis1tv]

You upgraded yet? @austincheney8598

[@paulbrooks4395]

It’s entirely possible that their relationship with suppliers and TSMC predicted an opening in production and part availability that allowed them to reissue this card. Given how it’s the most popular SKU (Turing) that targeted an affordable price, it’s a no brainer that Nvidia can sell to make extra bank during the shortage. Aside from scalpers, I am concerned we will see more movement to crypto goons than gamers.

[@evenbetterthantherealthing92]

12Gb is nice but I think it would have made more sense to release as a straight up 2060 Super with 8GB and a 256 bit bus imo. Esp with high GDDR6 prices.

[@PropaneWP]

@qtsssim Here's the thing. In most cases, crypto miners ARE the scalpers. And a lot of the cards sold by scalpers have actually been used for mining. There's a whole side business going on where people are selling GPU packaging material to miners/scalpers, just to put things in perspective.

[@TechyBen]

@@evenbetterthantherealthing92 I'm guessing they had already committed to the order of GDDR6 and with 3000 series production slower than the 2060 possibly, they can just swap out production lines with them. Going to 8gb might mess up order quantities or PCB setups and fabs which will delay or need more costs to change.

[@thepylonperspective]

Me with my 1660 Super: “Ha, I’m only a half generation behind!”

[@mzaite]

Same. I thought i was just grabbing a stop gap card. Apparently in another year this will be state of the art.

[@curvingfyre6810]

@@mzaite I'm right behind you with my 100$ 1070, can't wait til I'm current gen

[@jaydenford8302]

@@curvingfyre6810 what I’d give to be on a 1070. Don’t rush it man 👍🏾

[@eetz9940]

bro stfu i have 960

[@etharoonie]

same but mabye getting a 3070 soon for retail

[@haydenw8691]

Nintendo: We can re-release old games on newer platforms for more money and people will still buy them. Nvidia: We can do that with hardware too.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Nintendo makes their consoles using (multiple-year-old) Nvidia hardware... Hold on, I'm making a connection.

[@pjavilla]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 Both company names start with the letter 'N'... something's up... /s

[@seanward6063]

I mean NVIDA makes the hardware for the switch so clearly it’s a corporate game that us mere foolish uneducated consumers could never understand.

[@billlam7756]

And people stupid enough to buy them 😂

[@legendaryhero90]

Nintendo needs to re-release the entire gba line up for the switch.

[@KomradeMikhail]

I guess none of the tech tubers remember their own reviews of the 2060 from back when it first came out. They all fail to mention that the 2060 is not beefy enough to bother turning on raytracing most of the time, and therefore the RT cores are basically useless. Nvidia chose the wrong card to relaunch to try to fix the shortage. They would have been better off re-fabbing the GTX 1650 Super... it has a die size about half.... they could have pumped out twice as many on each silicon wafer... Add a little extra memory and call it the 1650 Ti. Flood the market with those and bring budget card scalper prices back down.

[@jc.1191]

Spot on.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

There already is a GTX 1650-Ti but it's for laptops and it's essentially an overclocked GTX 1650 GDDR6 mobile.

[@xandygameryt]

I mean, RTX 2060 can run many games with RT but mainly on dlss, or playing older games with ray tracing mods which is sill worth it. The real problem is the price and availability nowadays :(

[@Wylie288]

Yeah but at launch, DLSS wasn't a thing. It is now. 2060 is perfectly fine 1080p RT in any mainstream title. You have to remember, anything more than RT reflections is a PC only thing. The next gen consoles cannot handle more than that. So the vast majority of games people are playing the 2060 at 1080p+ DLSS works perfectly fine on.

[@NextMerckx]

Crypto miners: “Sweet, thanks!” If Nvidia actually cared a 1070 4GB would’ve been a baller move. Pascal is ancient at this point but it would’ve been a “budget” card that could’ve alleviated the competition between gamers and miners, and still have been capable of solid 1080p.

[@TechyBen]

Yeah, basically the 1050ti stopgap we need.

[@chaos3924]

bruv I would be buying a 4gb card eth is not everything yk

[@grn1]

In this day and age I wouldn't settle for 4GB of VRAM on a gaming PC. Even if you restricted yourself to 1080p 4GB would likely struggle with newer titles.

[@NextMerckx]

@@grn1 There isn’t a single title out right now that can’t be played at 1080p on a 980.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

the cost of the electronics, worksmanship, and materials mean it would cost just as much as a 2060 though tbh i bet.

[@Alphabet7]

There's no way it's been 3 years since the 2060 launched

[@t8z5h3]

It's true 2019 was when I got my 2080's

[@NinjAsylum]

20 series launched in 2018

[@eliadbu]

Almost 3 years, I checked it out and it was launched at January 2019, but the 20 series in general was launched 3 years ago at 2018 and this is what they meant.

[@simmonslucas]

I know right, but I just picked up a 1080 ti earlier this year...

[@handlemonium]

There's no way LMG releases a video 300 minutes later than they usually do.......except they did.

[@iVTECInside]

I cannot get over the fact that I could sell my 1060SC for more than I paid for it almost 5yrs ago.

[@mastaw]

Yeah, I got my 2060super when everyone was telling me to wait for the 30 series. Now it's worth double what I paid for it

[@UnjustifiedRecs]

Hell I sold my old dusty 750ti last year for way more than I paid for it, didn't put a silly price on it, it went for bids and the people bid their own silly prices. It was wild to watch

[@jordangeertsema9114]

Except you can't get a new one if you sell it

[@thymme7508]

do it lol

[@yuri0r]

Yeeeeeea. I was really thinking about selling it.

[@SapioiT]

This could only make sense if they used factories or factory parts which is kept idle or in the process of being phased out, and I hope this would fix at least the card-making part of the shortage, even if the raw-material increased-price remains the same.

[@tardisrocks]

When you do get one, there would be benefits in updated performance benchmarks. There are newer games and driver maturity. Would be nice to see benchmarks on Linux too. Seeing performance difference Windows vs Linux in games, using the Nvidia drivers.

[@oro6768]

Launching an upgraded GPU during a chip shortage, when almost nobody can even GET a GPU, and if they do, it's at an INSANELY high price... Yep, that's Nvidia for you.

[@jak151d]

Its for reporting to investors that they sold huge a huge amount of gpus, when in reality they are launching a mining gpu that has the exact same specs and vram but no video output. Also thisway they can hide the fact that they went behind the gamers and sold to miners.

[@lachlangreen8389]

Anyone can get a GPU, what are you talking about?

[@skullboiPlays]

@@lachlangreen8389 dude no maybe a gtx710 for msrp lmao

[@matthite5938]

@@lachlangreen8389 are you serious? Have you not followed the shortage for over a year? Maybe anyone can get one but they will be paying 2-3x msrp

[@hankwells2637]

Got a RTX 3080 for 800$ from Best Buy just gotta be quicker than that

[@RyanMacabre]

Love this format of Linus vs Anthony. Pros vs Cons. More of this please.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

+20%

[@paulrossell8756]

@@CakePrincessCelestia +21%

[@milesfarber]

Hey remember when linus called everyone an AMD fanboy on livestream because we were excited about HBM and HBM2 and direct storage?

[@hashishiriya]

@@milesfarber boooohooooooooo

[@BlackFragFilms]

Boy am I glad I got my 2060 just a few months before the prices skyrocketed for only 150€. Can't imagine how frustrating it must be to try to build a PC in the current market.

[@adm1583]

Where did u buy it ?

[@BlackFragFilms]

@@adm1583 Oops, forgot to mention that I bought it second hand. However, it was only a few months old with warranty.

[@djhillesq]

I love the tag-teaming between Linus and Anthony. Keep this format!

[@StarRightStarTight]

I love this point/counter-point format. Two presenters, different backgrounds, two different points of view- this was really cool. Hope to see more like it from time to time.

[@BrucifyMe]

Same here. Hope they see this comment.

[@daleford9157]

Agreed, really liked this video

[@repkins]

On the one hand and the other hand analogy.

[@yan3066]

Yeah I agree, it's a cool format !

[@TechyBen]

Different but complimentary. It's nice to see they are not arguing, they are adding information to each comment. :)

[@swiftypines]

love this style of Linus and Anthony bouncing back and forth, i’d love to see you guys analyze pretty much anything as long as it’s delivered like this.

[@UltraFoil]

Agreed! With one person doing the pros and the other doing the cons, it's really easy to follow and enjoyable to watch.

[@Boogerdick69]

@@UltraFoil Anthony should do the cons, with his soothing voice the cons won’t sound as bad

[@based1669]

agreed

[@tduarte]

In & Out vs Shake Shack next.

[@pyroslev]

Agreed, a pro/con style works for these sort of topics.

[@shadesone1330]

I really think nivida’s plan is to make gpu’s more expensive and discounted the old good ones.

[@dhkatz_]

That's not their plan. Did you miss the points of the video why prices are rising?

[@danielchettiar5670]

@@dhkatz_ There's nearly no fucking shortage of GPUs, it's all retailer bullshit. In my country, India, here the partnered stores are filled with GPUs, the same amount as normal, it's been this way since like 4-6 months. But if you go online to their sites, the prices are still the same as a fucking year ago. Even the older GTX Turing cards are scalped. Tldr. Retailers are the real scalpers, at least where I am.

[@paradox_monke7338]

@@danielchettiar5670 Here, there is 10, 3080s inside a store but you have to buy another part with it so they can *spice up the price* a little bit more

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

I got no problem with Nvidia trying to ease supply shortages by re-releasing older cards that miners might not want. But these cards will all be bought up and scalped the moment any of them reach the retail channel. So if they have to bring it back, they gotta do it for a good price. I think the only reason why Nvidia are doing this is to try and get cards to OEM system builders so they can remain in business. Hence why nobody knows the retail price of the card, because there isnt one as its for OEM system builders. Its a deal between Nvidia and OEM builders so the average joe doesnt need to know because they wont be able to get them as individual cards. According to Jon Peddie. AIB shipments increased by 25% in the last year. In that case why is there still a supply issue and retail prices being way above MSRP???

[@TechyBen]

The way the release is going, I don't think any will even reach retailers... miners are going to snap them up way before then, if the power to profit angle is just so high for them.

[@user-lh9jp7zu4x]

Artificial supply drought and artificial inflation.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@user-lh9jp7zu4x That's what I'm slowly believing too. Like no way in hell is the demand still at max after 2+ years of covid.

[@mdogzino]

I'm happy I'm too broke to afford a gpu at MSRP, now I can't even be mad about inflated prices!

[@sayyedzarrar]

Yep i m thinking of getting xbox Although i hv gtx1060

[@XBullitt16X]

Same same

[@leroyjenkins0736]

@@sayyedzarrar xbox plus gamepass is great

[@Slimeay]

Hopefully EVGA brings back their queue system. Took about 10 months but I was actually able to get a 3060 for msrp recently from it, in this current market it was a surreal experience

[@timothynye438]

Just happened to me with 3060 ti too, honestly I forgot I entered but it came at the best time possible

[@S0nz94]

I'm in the EVGA Europe queue for a 3080 and it keeps postponing the day of the estimated email, every day it shifts forward. I'm losing hope

[@opdeveloper]

@@S0nz94 what is this and how do I get involved?

[@kabelmisa]

Bro Im still in the queue since may did not get shit yet. The queue system works but closed for new people so that way I CAN FINALLY GET MINE!

[@TroublesomeOwl]

for some reason in australia, one retailer listed EVGA FTW3 cards up to the 3070 ti for actual MSRP. took about 8 weeks from preorder for it, but i got it. Every card above that, and every other card from every other manufacturer was all inflated to hell and back. i couldn't quite understand it, but i was pretty pleased lol

[@eliteprogrammers8026]

I'm loving this back and forth format video. Great way to include other team members.

[@Kroyer102]

I bought mt RTX 2070 super in April 2020 for 530 Euros, at that time I really had buyer's remorse for overpaying slightly and not waiting for the RTX 30 series, but I couldn't have been more wrong

[@bencealmosgyorgyi2927]

Last year a week before Christmas I could by RTX 3070s in batches for €650... Looking at the trend of decreasing GPU prices I decided to HODL, but boy, was I wrong.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@bencealmosgyorgyi2927 BIG MISTAKEEEE, even if I am eyeing out for a 3060 because I don't need anything higher (and can keep my pretty new 650W psu) I would have gotten that card for 650. 3060's are going for 500-700 here in Germany atm, and I'm not really keen on spending more than 400 for one.

[@AutoAddictionMedia]

My price prediction? Between $500 and $600 (NOT MSRP). These cards will perform better than the 1660 Super at mining, and second hand 1660 Supers already sell at over 500 dollar (even over 500 euro in the EU)

[@Quetzalcoatl999]

Newegg had the old 6gb version for $600 so probably won't be under $700

[@Deb35536]

The price already out for 850USD in asia

[@rahulmenon4357]

My price prediction - Scalper exclusive

[@rainbow3d]

Yeah I got my 2060 at 500€ here in Italy, so it's probably gonna be that

[@nathangamble125]

but it will be worse than the 2060 Super for mining due to the lower bandwidth, even though the GPU is identical. This card makes no sense unless 2GB GDDR6 chips are basically the same price as 1GB chips, or if it's supposed to be a budget workstation card or for something else that actually benefits from the VRAM.

[@Michael-Ray]

Nvidia's new company motto: "Because we can".

[@scarletspidernz]

Thought it was " Nvidia: The Way YOU'RE Meant To Be Played"

[@dogechallenger4994]

@@scarletspidernz *you're

[@JonatasAdoM]

*"Because they buy"*

[@lupintheiii3055]

No, the motto is: "As long as you allow us to..."

[@izzieb]

@@JonatasAdoM Exactly this!

[@y_dia]

Man this you can slide the sponsors so cleanly in the intro of the video!

[@billardon514]

Great format! I love the dual perspective in this video!

[@adrianlewis2536]

4:49 "Enjoy your 970 don't push it too hard for the next 3 decades" lmao

[@curvingfyre6810]

I almost laughed at the poor guy stuck with a 970... except I'm literally precisely one generation ahead with my 1070 :(

[@hillbillysamurai]

I have a 960 lol

[@Fear-pk2hu]

I still have gt 1030 due to Nvidia shitty prices

[@adrianlewis2536]

@@curvingfyre6810 I dont even got a gpu, it died 3 weeks ago :( cant even use my pc anymore...

[@TigerTT]

I guess I'll be riding my GTX 1080 to the moon lol she's still running like a champ though.

[@danthaman7777]

Same EVGA hybrid

[@STNJ_YT]

Wish my 760 could say the same lol. Been needing an upgrade for a few years now

[@Nebnub]

1080 was an unbelievably good investment, still an awesome card

[@billlam7756]

U made it sound like ur on an rx480 or something 😂

[@Crazyasian123456]

Yep, I have a 1070 and it still runs fine.

[@Harabaz726]

More than 24 hrs later, no one has anything available... not even a single listing...so much for a "launch"

[@familykruger3867]

This might have to do with Machine Learning more than games. Plenty of ML models are tuned to run on 11GB, so this would open up “edge computing” opportunities to run pre trained models that need more ram, but don’t need the GPU power.

[@astronemir]

Finally, thank you

[@SianaGearz]

Curiously this one also has the computational throughput of the 2060 Super which is much higher than base 2060 and cutting it dangerously close to the 2070. But it has a slow memory bus of the 2060. It shouldn't be too hard to maximise locality and basically not even choke the VRAM bus so hard when doing ML. Honestly this whole vid is kinda garbage. "We haven't read the specs and we haven't benchmarked it but here's what we think of this".

[@jaydub8576]

This is the equivalent of a car manufacturer going through all its extra parts bins. Or trying to make dinner from Kale, peanuts and applesauce.

[@jojobobbubble5688]

LOL

[@mikesleftarm84]

"Trying to make dinner from kale, peanuts and applesauce" Farm-to-table gastro-pubs: "We call that the 'Signature Salad'. It's $30."

[@marcosanaya9540]

I see no problem with this.

[@ianpang171]

Finally a person who understands

[@sundhaug92]

I mean, in the airplane-world old DC-3s are still being produced (effectively speaking)

[@dhrubasaha08]

This is a cover-up card for nvidia, they're launching a mining card based on TU106 with 12 GB VRAM.

[@emeraldwolf7920]

Yeah should be a good thing for people looking to mine on a budget.

[@nathangamble125]

It would be a stupid product for mining. Miners don't need 12GB VRAM, they need more bandwidth. An RTX 2060 Super would be better at mining, and the normal 2060 wouldn't be significantly slower.

[@apmmasterpcapmmasterpc]

@@nathangamble125 ThisRTX2060HasBetterHashRateThenRTX3060LHR

[@ElectricityTaster]

The only way we will bring back glory to the PCMasterRace is by undermining bitcoin. Imagine a virus that uses hardware backdoors to steal bitcoins and put GPUs out of their misery.

[@poorNOOB]

@@ElectricityTaster This whole GPU mining/shortages problems are relating to Ethereum and many GPU-mine-able-coins more than Bitcoin, as Bitcoin can only be mines by special equipment called ASICS.

[@unpaintedcanvas]

Honestly this sorta thing still makes me glad I got an amd+nvidia laptop for workstation and gaming back in 2020, right before gpu prices went haywire. I mostly use it for productivity, but it's still performant enough in games to tide me over.

[@fountaingoat6802]

Calling video memory a framebuffer is like calling your house a bathroom.

[@MonokelJohn]

It's the same situation as a computer illiterate calling a computer case a hard disk, except the misinformation is spread by the tech people. Funny how these things happen.

[@Kisai_Yuki]

Honestly it seems like one of two things are in play here: A) nVidia grabbed 10/12nm capacity that had been abandoned by a company who canceled their orders or B) nVidia stockpiled GPU parts for OEM's (eg for Dell, HP and Lenovo) that ultimately didn't get used due to other part shortages, or OEM's opting to use iGPU's alone. My money is on A. Which means the reason for the 12GB, is probably because this is the only memory configuration possible on that chip, and smaller GDDR6 models aren't available. Keep in mind that the Super has a wider memory bus, and would need two more chips. Which makes me wonder if they're not going to release desktop 3050's. Which they probably shouldn't waste fab space on it when the high end 3080/80Ti/90 are needed for high end systems.

[@darthwiizius]

The extra memory chip configuration would lead to a different power regulation configuration and the 2060S is only 5% slower than a 3060 so going for a 6 chip design makes sense, after all Nvidia probably also don't want to highlight how pathetic an "upgrade" the 3060 was over the Turin cards. I'm just pleased I picked the last 2060S in my town last year just before things went nuts, and yes I'd rather have 8GB with the high band width than 12 with the memory bottleneck, I play most stuff at 60FPS and 1080P so bandwidth is king to me.

[@KillahMate]

Super has a wider memory bus and could use two _fewer_ chips - I see no reason why a 2060S, which was and is a 1440p GPU, shouldn't be using 8GB of VRAM. That's the _perfect_ amount for the performance class and would in fact improve performance due to the wider bus.

[@darthwiizius]

@@KillahMate It does, the 2060S is only 2% slower than a 2070. Just look how much quicker the 3060ti with it's 8GB 8 chip layout is compared to the 3060 for an example. Core counts don't scale linearly but bandwidth does as it directly affects the throughput to those cores.

[@samiraperi467]

C) Both. Because why not both?

[@stopherrr]

Bang! You got it. Just not enough for capacity for 8nm. But there is high demand and 2060 should be good enough for the general public. You must work in supply chain.

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

I've seen secondhand 1600 series cards go for scaler prices during the pandemic. There's absolutely huge demand for this thing.

[@timestimesx7535]

Yeah, I ended up buying a 1030 after my 5600xt died just because I didn't want to pay that much for a 10 series card. I get around 165 fps in Val, that's enough for me. I just want 710s 750TIs 1030s and 1050 level cards to be a thing of the past.

[@Odinsday]

@@timestimesx7535 I ended up paying almost $700 for my 3060. Perfect condition and everything, but damn, thank god for gift cards. And that was on the lower end for prices.

[@wafflesarelove5801]

I actually got into PC building early 2020, as that was the first time i had the money to do so, but I somehow managed to get a new 1660 at Market price. Its holding out for like a beast, but still cant wait til I can get my hands on a 3070 or 80 at an actually good price

[@therusty9993]

I am running a 970... It's price increased by about $100 due to the current market

[@mikesmith-wk7vy]

trying to start a build computer but the graphics card situation is insane

[@4450krank]

im from Denmark and the biggest tech dealer here still has orderers from September 2020 to fill:/... including my 3080 that i ordered an hour after launch :/

[@liliester4080]

2060 12gb is a card made specifically for miners that's why no founders edition and Nvidia doesn't want people to get free samples for reviews.

[@SianaGearz]

Do miners need extra VRAM at all? What for?

[@mycelia_ow]

@@SianaGearz ETH is vram heavy

[@liliester4080]

According to multiple news outlets the 2060 12gb has better hashrate than a 3060, so yeah, this card will be all sold out in days.

[@wingracer1614]

@@liliester4080 There is no physical way for it to outperform a 3060, it doesn't have the memory bandwidth. This thing won't even beat a 2060 Super

[@kackbraten5390]

these article are hatebait bull, this card is crap for mining

[@karakter222]

An RTX 2060 would be an upgrade for a lot of people. Steam's hardware stats shows us that a lot of cards in the top 10 or 20 are worse than an RTX 2060. Even the GTX 960 or GTX 750 TI has a ~1% market share. Sure, a lot of people are still trying to get one of the higher end cards, but there are countries where those can easily cost 2-3 months of paychecks with the current prices.

[@Rspsand07]

Most of the top 20 is either way older, but too close to be worth if you've already waited this long or even better performance like 1080, or just straight up better and newer or literally the 2060. Only really the 1050 ti, 1650 ti, and iGPU would be worthwhile. The Rx 580 in my area sells for same price as 6600 on FB, so that's a better upgrade path. Or like 100 more to get the 6600 xt.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

This card is probably going to have a higher price than the original overpriced 2060 did, so it'll be a hard sell to those people who already rejected the 2060.

[@roberts9553]

@Linus Tech Tips they could be trying to use GDDR6 due to the high value of that memory in sat in stock, if demand of that chip has been low but their stock is high. They will want high turnover / to reduce stock perhaps if they ended up with considerably more than they expected. This could be the case even if the card can not utilise 12GB of memory effectively - it could also be that 8GB of GDDR5 of whatever is actually more expensive at the minute due to reasons you alluded to - the Fab Plant capacity.

[@kalelalves]

such nice video concept. you should one of those in again in the future

[@Timmie1995]

I wouldn't say this is a rant, it seems more like a fair assessment. The conclusion doesn't feel negative to me (unless you consider it a rant about the general shortage), and the positive sides aren't downplayed. The snarky comments directed at Nvidia are entirely deserved, but they come out pretty clean here. Very interesting video though!

[@Xhadp]

The reason it is called a rant is to get those views(AKA clickbait) and money rolling in for LMG not for the professional journalism at work here

[@stare4539]

Loooool

[@masternobody1896]

nvidia: I love money

[@BryceDearden]

Love this style of video with Linus laying down the optimistic and Anthony laying down the realistic POVs. Also, maybe with 12GB of VRAM it could be a good value card for editing in Resolve? Some silver lining?

[@degeneratepervert6255]

Could be good for mining, I suppose

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

I feel like the price is going to make a 3060 12 gig a better option even during the hike.

[@jarrod7465]

Extra Vram is useless if the card is too slow to use it effectively. Which in this case is guaranteed. That's part of the reason 2060/1660/3060 all have lower amounts of vram than the class above them.

[@jarrod7465]

The 3060 with 12 gb being an example. It's performance over the 3060 6gb is pretty negligible

[@curvingfyre6810]

@@jarrod7465 that's true, but when you're buying for extreme budget, theres also long-term usability to think about. File iszes are getting larger constantly, texture sizes one of the main offenders, and you need a bigger buffer to keep playing modern games - even at potato settings - anyone who's been stuck using a dated system for a while will tell you that. I'd estimate that a solid majority of the actual PC building space is aiming for an ol'-reliable gpu that they can snag without breaking hte bank right now, to skate through for a few years til the market normalizes.

[@speeddemon1774]

12gb vram on a cheap card with CUDA/RTX support would be good for a lot of GPU compute/scientific work that isn’t time sensitive. Super niche segment, but it’s nice seeing a lot of available memory for cool CUDA simulations on the “cheap”

[@falconHKer]

Price in HK released. $4299 HKD which around $550 dollars

[@getmepaid2day653]

looking at it from a different perspective, if you purchased your GPU Pre-Covid/ Chip shortage era. You essentially hit the lottery. The rare instance where early adoption actually pays off.

[@wingracer1614]

I bought a 5700XT and a bunch of 5600XTs just before everything went nuts. Possibly the best investment I ever made. Those things have paid for themselves ten times over or more and are still making money.

[@svpracer98]

I still can't believe I snatched up a (used) GTX 1080 in December of 2019... if only I had waited until the summer to upgrade instead

[@mcslender2965]

Ppl buying 2080Tis for 500 dollars when RTX 30 is coming are the real winners

[@BelowStupid]

I got a 1080 for $300 a week before lock downs started in the US. I didn't even really need it, I just felt like upgrading from my 1050 ti. Super happy that I did.

[@evilreincarnate2957]

I bought an rtx 3070 for $850 which was a good deal cause where I am from rtx 2070 super launched for $600

[@filiptomaszewski2205]

It's actually insane how cheap gpu's are in the US. Here in poland rtx 3060 costs over 1117$

[@iamnotglenn]

The problem is that there’s like 20 of each per store chain and they get snapped up and resold for $1500. I can’t even buy one til next year from microcenter because you can only buy one a month and I built a computer for a long-time friend

[@benruss4130]

Big oof, what's the 6900xt going for?

[@benruss4130]

@bruh meme big oof I got the Merc speedster 6900xt for 900 (10% off MSRP)

[@filiptomaszewski2205]

@@benruss4130 The cheapest version goes for 2107 us dollars

[@RiderZer0]

Depends what you look at. 3090’s on eBay are being sold for $4,000

[@lehran2516]

At this point I'm just waiting for my 970 to die of old age in hopes that someone fixes their shit. I'm glad it's a stubborn old card though.

[@ThunderChief-of2qt]

why is the format for the video only 144p????? there is no option for 1080.....

[@mouse2542]

if they only rereleased 1080ti on a budget price, everyone would be pretty happy I believe

[@iamnotglenn]

But nvidia NEEDS to push their ray-tracing agenda

[@nickllama5296]

1080 doesn't do DLSS, does it?

[@Phlyinhigh]

@@nickllama5296 No but it can run most games on high settings and 120fps

[@astronemir]

@@nickllama5296 no it doesn’t do gimmicks but it’s a great cars

[@alabasterscarf612]

@@nickllama5296 who caaaaaaaaaaares?

[@lucaslac124]

One word: miners. This will not come to retail outlets in high volumes, it will be sold directly to miners. If anything, this is some kind of sick play for more money. Well played Jensen, well played.

[@loowick4074]

@Throw Away it's good tho. Mining is non essential and sooner or later it will be less profitable and we can get old gen GPUs for cheap. Fans maybe busted tho.

[@wheezybackports6444]

@Throw Away You must not understand what mining is. People who mine do it as an investment, passive reliable income, or a job.

[@AtDeskLamp]

@@loowick4074 mining gpus tend to be in good condition on the second hand. Miners are really big on increasing card lifespan so they don’t have to buy new ones. (That’s just for silicon though, idk about fans)

[@RubyRoks]

What you'd be gaining in memory capacity, you're not gaining in memory bandwidth, which is more important for Etherium mining. These aren't mining cards

[@wingracer1614]

@Throw Away The point is to make money. If you don't like making money that's fine but I love the 20k I've made this year for doing almost nothing.

[@orinblank2056]

Every time I see hardware news I'm so thankful I managed to score a good PC for good price. It was hard, but the rest of this stuff gets insane

[@chase2337]

got a 2080 for $300 right before the 30xx launch. i thank my lucky stars every time i turn on my PC. i feel so bad for folks trying to get anything decent in the current market.

[@george1717]

I like how the background changes for each person, but did it really have to be blinding white?

[@bigdoggo5827]

Same. My eyes hurt with white

[@NovaCaine2489]

Yes, purely to spite you

[@sherbertcollins821]

“Obviously you won’t be cranking the visuals on this card” cries in gtx 750 ti

[@Robert-tj3jq]

Ties noose in gtx 660ti

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@Robert-tj3jq Hey, that card is a beast. Still have mine sitting around doing it's job in my secondary rig. With Kepler and Maxwell BIOS modding is still possible, so writing one with a bit more voltage and that thing yeets up all the way to 1202 MHz and more.

[@lnfinyx]

GT 1030 and GT 520 here.

[@DakalaShade]

_laughs insanely in Intel HD Graphics 5500_ Yeah, I know, less-than-low settings, 1024x768 (at least it's my laptop's native resolution), but at least I can play older titles really well. Still miss my GTS 250, though.

[@adebowalekonstantinov404]

3:42 I don't think so Linus, the chip shortage being mainly responsible is simply not enough to justify the price inflation in GPUs today. You can buy an RTX 3070 laptop for the same price as a 3070 alone (essentially identical silicon, with much more stuff in a laptop). This can either mean two things: either the distributors/board-partners are sitting on GPUs at the old massively inflated prices, or they're simply being bought by miners at similar prices from the distributors.

[@MarcHeyer]

Real nice video and presentation of the pros and cons of this card. Nice work.

[@LordHonkInc]

God I'm so glad I got my 1070 when I did. It's certainly not top of the class anymore (if if ever was), but I can't imagine buying a graphics card now. Fingers crossed it doesn't die on me before prices become more economic again, and by "economic" I mean getting a card without having to take out a loan first.

[@nunyastockson5901]

right around when 20 launched i did the same. got my 1070 for a cool 300. upgraded to 3060ti with a homie hookup. looked up the 1070 price. man you can sell it for 600 easy no questions asked.

[@brianv3ntura]

@@nunyastockson5901 havent seen a 1070 sold for 600 tho. Typically 400-500. 600 is a stretch

[@exsesiwe]

I still kicking 1080p on my zotac 1070 like there is no tomorrow :) Best deal I ever had.

[@sneakylilcav4373]

@@nunyastockson5901 i copped used gtx1080 for 250 dollars right befofe the gpus price went to shit

[@williamlisbourne5294]

man i was eyeing a rx 6600 xt for 650 new from b&h thinking that was low and is for current prices but man

[@alex_is_monkay8605]

Linus: “Today we’re reviewing the RTX 2060 relaunch!” Everyone:”You have a gpu?”

[@KigerStudios]

Linus: "Nope!"

[@g_pazzini]

scalper: yummy…

[@deutsch-amerikanisch8281]

Sad 1050 ti noises

[@aoitsukishiro9926]

GTX 650 user here

[@CockroachSlidy]

happy owner of GTX660 with half broken cooler here

[@excellentswordfight8215]

28nm is one of the most popular node there is, its pretty much as utilized now as back in the day. Even GlobalFoundries that has no bleeding edge node has said that they are pretty much sold out for the next couple of years.

[@Wiyt]

Seeing Linus and Anthony against that white backdrop reminds me of the old Mac vs PC ads from 2006-2009. I’d love to see a parody of them doing that skit, except way more funnier because it’s them. 😂

[@zuruumi9849]

The most likely cause is, that they can't produce enough of the 30XX series (TSMC having too little 7nm capacity) but the GDDR6 is already pre-ordered and will arrive in the original volume. So rather than let it lie in storage they just reuse it for the older type.

[@RafitoOoO]

30 series does not use TSMC 7nm though, it uses Samsung 8nm.

[@turkeygod4095]

Yeah some ampere chips like a100 are 7nm but regular is 8nm Samsung

[@kevinwiley5325]

These back and forth Linus x Anthony videos are absolutely my favorite that you guys have been producing. Even if not those two specifically, just the cutting between different hosts looks awesome.

[@brianm.595]

Linus: "Did we not get it or is there no new GPU?" Anthony: "Yes" Lol comedy gold.

[@atafakheri8659]

loved the back and forth format

[@Piketom1]

At first, I thought this was going to be a productivity card. Professionals are having just as much trouble getting new graphics cards as anyone else and the larger VRAM capacity may be helpful to those users.

[@taylorshin]

Problem is, a card useful for professions are ALSO economic for mining operation. At least Quadro series had expensive price at first and do not have great cooling structure which is why they weren't instantly hooked up by miners. In fact, professionals who works for big companies can still use Quadro or Ampere series. Problem is not so big professionals such as university lab or some PhD guy/gal's personal projects which sometimes turns out to be a humanity savior.

[@thatsreallyamoon]

Yeee I got a 3060 12GB because I do video editing. The VRAM is more valuable than raw computation to me I believe. Luckily I found it in a full prebuilt system and just had to add better RAM and more storage.

[@harrybryan9633]

Yeah, I do 3d art and 12Gb would be great.

[@psjeff6592]

For work stations high-end GPUs aren’t needed. They need a good processor is all. And memory

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

@@taylorshin I'm hearing Ethereum is going to need more than 4GB of VRAM to mine. So they should start selling 4GB cards

[@Sam_995]

It’s great hearing Linus join Anthony in his rants

[@garrettkajmowicz]

How well would the 12G help with machine learning work? This might be a good solution for people who are doing computing rather than gaming, and the larger space would allow for larger models to be trained.

[@TechyBen]

AFAIK this is close to a 1080 in performance. But I've not seen comparisons between the two (8gb version 2060 that is).

[@TEEOH13116]

I wanted to upgrade but since my 1080 still seems to perform well without much compromise I think I can wait out all this nonsense.

[@Elinzar]

Honestly im not against the idea of releasing old cards, i would totally buy an old mid range card if it gets below 200 usd if thats even possible (in a world without shortages) I would totally buy 2060s or 1660 even if they are at good prices, same for AMD, it doesn't have to be the latest thing to be appealing for me as Long as its a good deal

[@SianaGearz]

They are currently manufacturing the now ancient gtx1050ti as well, still, it was reissued earlier this year to try to cover demand. No, it has not helped prices pretty much at all.

[@alexanderjohansson2671]

I mean, if it performs well enough and is cheaper than a used one on eBay, it's a win-win right?

[@cyrusbranzel2457]

@@SianaGearz been running a gtx 1050ti for 4 years and only now wanting to upgrade, of course I can’t now

[@Elinzar]

@@alexanderjohansson2671 yep

[@Thickcurves]

Let's be fair here, this GPU is for miners and mostly miners will get their hands on them :(

[@brandanmajeske]

Miners and scalpers

[@FoolOfATuque]

@@brandanmajeske scalpers who will then sell to miners.

[@mzaite]

Oh these are definitely going straight to china. The lack of an MSRP tells that story.

[@joshuascholar3220]

Hey, it's better than a 1660 ti, and those are still fine for gaming. All people want is something they can use.

[@rexomi17]

Money is most powerful than knowledge I say that in my school

[@DOSStorm]

Its hard to call the ALL the people on ebay "scalpers" who are just selling a card in an auction.

[@USN308]

They didn't call all eBay GPU Sellers scalpers. When you set the minimum bid at $800 for a $350 card, wear the nametag, 'cause you be one...

[@tiziocaio3000]

Why is horizon zero dawn listed at over 10 gb vram at 1440p? At the same resolution the in game menu says only 5 are required with max settings

[@TypicalBlox]

Rtx 2000 was a disappointing series in terms of performance compared to last gen but their founders looked so good

[@shamefulbutstud3114]

the 2070 i have is amazing what r u on

[@olivertrees]

@@shamefulbutstud3114 its fine. But the 2080ti barely outperformed a 1080ti.

[@gr3yhem]

@@shamefulbutstud3114 yeah he’s on coke

[@lemonhaze715]

True mostly, DSR kinda saved the 2k series imo.

[@pixels_per_inch]

@@shamefulbutstud3114 The price to performance of the 20 series was terrible, especially the 2070 and 2080

[@Danmandingo]

*This isn't even a slap in the face...* *At this point, Nvidia's just PISSING on it's customers.*

[@barfy362]

I don't understand this take. There is a massive GPU shortage mostly because of crypto miners. If you don't want this then don't buy it. Continue to wait several years for a 3060 or better at MSRP like I will.

[@VFPn96kQT]

Why is it bad for customers? It makes more cards available thus reducing the shortage. It will certainly reduce the price in second hand market.

[@baoquoc3710]

Dude, you don't do anything rather than bashing Nvidia when they wanted to meet demands of gamers by a new 12gb 2060? Also, the memory bandwidth is 192 bit, which is not the most sufficient amount to do ETH hashing, so please if you can't get where your mind goes to, trashtalking will only embarrass you more.

[@user-Cata7sti7ma7]

USA would ban crypto like china did, it's 100% fix the issue.

[@TechyBen]

News seems to be hinting at this being a paper launch of a *mining* card that's being sold in back channels only. :/ (I'd assume you are correct that this memory is from the 3060 production, but that's probably why they are doing it, they are possibly behind in 3060 throughput, so have 12gb sets of VDDR6 waiting around with no 3060s to go on, so getting some 2060s out the factories will get the stock of memory down, and they can just wait for the 3060 chips to come in, and by then should have more VDDR for it.)

[@erikgalvan152]

I love the video. It’s awesome how they went back and forth between Anthony and Linus.

[@L33TBEANS]

I remember when I bought my 2080 for $800.00 CAD just when we were hearing the rumors of Covid in China. I was thinking that the decision to buy was a bit impulsive and unwise on my part with the 3000 series just around the corner. Best mistake I ever made.

[@firstname565]

Im gonna ride my 1070 ti into the dirt til these prices come back to a sane level or I win the lottery

[@MarshallHoff]

@@firstname565 The chance of winning the lottery is about 1 in 13,983,816; which is approximately 297.2 times better than that of finding a GPU at MSRP.

[@sujimayne]

Similar situation with my 5700 XT.

[@cyandrix]

Honestly if it was actually reasonably priced I'd have loved this, I just want to upgrade from my gtx1050 and I'm not wanting to spend so much to get 60fps in most games

[@BiggieCMAN]

Dude same, I’ve been stuck with a fucking broken 970 for almost 2 years now and it’s pissing me off

[@vhateverlie]

@@BiggieCMAN eh, me too! I had to switch to my shitty laptop to get through school.

[@bemersonbakebarmen]

The 2060 was 300$.

[@mig2546]

@@BiggieCMAN Get a job like the rest of us?

[@ARVash]

@@mig2546 don't act like this is normal, the fuck is wrong with you.

[@howardtaylor2509]

World wide freight costs have had even greater multiplications of cost than materials adding to the MSRP rising

[@kaumranesna-ashari8902]

Have more video on Linus and Anthony analyzing whatever product is chosen to be analyzed. I am loving this. I believe the last one was the Steam Deck.

[@TehJumpingJawa]

1070 ti released at $449 in 2017; almost exactly 4 years ago. This card is going to deliver comparable rasterization performance Just keep that in mind folks =/

[@mylittlegodziak]

Don't forget about dlss my guy.

[@Phlyinhigh]

@@mylittlegodziak dlss isnt that big of a deal

[@Wylie288]

@@Phlyinhigh DLSS is a huge deal. It improved performance at no quality cost AND gets rid of native rendering artifacts and swaps them out for far lesser ones. How the fuck is that not a big deal?

[@yeet1337]

Yes, yes, bUt THe RaYTraCiNG!1

[@maschinen181]

☹️ I'm surprised they never talked about the fact it's mainly a mining card, and it's actually one of the most efficient ones.

[@bobdole2184]

5700xt is king 👑

[@nathaniel1207]

yup, MLID said that too, and that the paper launch is so they can deny that is for miners

[@kevcreations5861]

AMD cards get more hash per watt but your resale on the nvidia cards will be better. Oh the dichotomy

[@jurpo6]

At the very end of the video they suggest it.

[@zulous]

@@bobdole2184 not really when they’re £1000, 1660s are where it’s at

[@CataclysmZA]

I want more of this. This was brilliant.

[@michaelvanrheede7225]

Local etailer already listed them in South Africa, due in stock 21 Dec and price of R9999.00 (650 USD) or so at current exchagne rate, which is R1000.00 (66 USD) less than the 3060

[@sakaraist]

This was a really well designed video. The conversation format really helps drive in the points rather than blasting the viewer with information.

[@johnwethekylow]

Maybe put jackery, and other big battery packs (i have one from anker, who also makes solar panels for it) to the actual test, in winter sun, in canada. You're more likely to need to recharge it with the sun in the winter with longer outages from poor weather. I don't see any of them performing to rated capabilities in these conditions but would love to see how off they were before trying any solar panels myself.

[@ThunderGoatz]

That exposes the product for being dogshit. Everyone should know by now, these ads are just there to prey on the stupid.

[@edwardallenthree]

I imagine that the increased angle of the sunlight, and the additional layers of atmosphere filtering it, that solar power in the winter sun in Canada is less than ideal?

[@KillaBitz]

It's travel/camping equipment. It not designed to be used often if your backing up grid power with it your doing it wrong. If you want solar performance get some solid panels, a solar AIO inverter and a decent LiFePo4 battery. The all in one inverters have power fail over and solar / grid charging so it'll run from sun or act like a ups. a Jackery gives you none of that at twice the price and double the hassle.

[@ItsFaizaah]

Zotac 2060 12gb model is up on Scan but no buy option meaning no price tag, also the only 12gb on Scan as well lol.

[@mydroid2791]

It looks like there was 2 empty memory pads on the card PCB shown. So can we mod the GPU to 256bit (instead of 192 bit) 12GB DDR6 memory?

[@willosborne6763]

Loving the videos with Linus and Anthony. Makes me feel SOOOO lucky to have gotten a 3080ti at msrp. My brother waited a year for his!

[@clansome]

I had a choice of EVG (instead of Asus) RTX3080 or ?? brand RTX3080Ti for an extra £500 (and this was when the Ti launched). This was in a System preconfigured by me; price was msrp for 3080. Loving it, better than my 2060S.

[@Neoxon619]

So that explains why today’s upload was late. I guess Nvidia has to make the most of their existing chips during this shortage. Also, I see that Anthony has his hair slicked back more. I like it.

[@chaos9chao]

those bright backdrops blinded my eyes in the dark >.>

[@gamewizard1760]

The core in the 2060 12gb is actually the 2060 Super core. It's still a substantial upgrade for some of the lower Pascal cards and the Maxwell cards, for anyone who still might be using one, which is a lot more people than you might think, based on the Steam hardware survey. I would even go as far as to say that it is competitive against the 1080 and 1080 Ti in certain circumstances, like with Raytracing on, or in games with DLSS support.

[@Chrisspru]

it outperforms the 1080 (just barely) at stock clocks. the card uses 3060 components vesides its core chip though. so it has a lot of overclocking headroom and can outpace a 2060 super that way. i run my 2060 12g at 3060 clocks and it makes it perform like a 2070 with extra vram.

[@Yousef71017]

@@Chrisspru this is so great i love your comments on the rtx2060 12gb videos, i’ve read a few. what are your over clock settings again? i got the card for 275 canadian bro

[@Chrisspru]

@@Yousef71017 +140 mhz core, +800mhz memory, 109% max power, 85 °c max temp. these are my stable max overclock settings, giving 12% more ingame fps. for daily use i run +100core +500 memory, 109% max power slider, 85°c max temp (the 3060 like settings). giving 7% more fps.