Nvidia on Linux: Is It FINALLY Good Enough for Gaming? Deep dive, performance, features in fall 2024

[@mostly.harmless]

Heads up: as of 25 NOV 2024, DLSS Frame Generation is now available through Proton Experimental

[@or1on89]

So the work Valve is doing for SteamOS is enabling driver features for Nvidia? 😂

[@iExpertxC4x]

Thank you for your videos, rare to see someone explain in-depth Linux layers

[@A1RM4X]

Glad it was helpful!

[@coocoobau]

To me today, one of the biggest factors for gaming smoothness, was enabling adaptive sync in KDE Plasma on Wayland.

[@robertgosz4281]

Adaptive sync was one of the nice features of the driver that I used on Windows a lot!

[@borantube]

I'm a long time Linux and Nvidia user. One of the only reason that keeps lots of people stay away from Linux like me is undervolting. There are ways to do power limiting etc but I couldn't make any of them to work. It would be amazing if you can show a nvidia undervolting video. Its also very strange that there is no video about this on youtube. Thanks

[@mustafaemin7389]

You mean undervolting in the game? I have solved it by adding below launch option to steam launch settings. Update the count of core for your CPU capability. I have 20 cores so I made from 0 to 19 WINE_CPU_TOPOLOGY=20:0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 %command%

[@3st90]

I'm currently running my 3070 in windows undervolted (with a mild memory overclock) via curve editor in MSI Afterburner. The one thing that keeps me from finally making the jump to Linux is the lack of nvidia overclocking tools that allow for undervolting, preferrably via curve. I just can't suddenly start roasting my card if I want it to last. Good to see I'm not the only one who puts importance on undervolting.

[@Aleks-it4ok]

@@3st90 same for me. u are not alone

[@solarpowder962]

Hi A1RM4X, thanks for the great video! About the Undervolt topic: i have undervolted my 4070Ti on CachyOS in Wayland to a fixed Voltage (900mV) in my case. That being said, it is not straight forward. There is a an instruction for it on the official CachyOS Wiki. In short: You will set the minimum and maximum frequency of your GPU. Based on that Max Frequency, the driver will have a max Voltage. In my case i set my max Frequency to 2550MHz and thus get a max voltage of 900mV (you are basically parsing through the Frequency-Voltage curve by picking the Frequency). The clue is now, that you set a Offset frequency value,in my case 150MHz. This will increase the GPU frequency under load by that 150MHz, BUT WITHOUT increasing the Voltage. Therefore, i reduce my GPU power usage from 280W to 170W with a performance decrease of about 5% (measured in Unigine Heaven). I will not say it is easy or fool proof to set up, but it is certainly possible to get a good undervolt (I get the same performance/power numbers in WIndows). Again, this is based on a CachyOS Wiki instruction. Cheers!

[@Mattscreative]

it's been more than enough for gaming god since the first release of dxvk and onward it was never an issue until wayland came along and used implicit sync which was an outdated horrid method for sync which wasted frames and NVIDIA spent nearly 3 years building explicit sync for Linux and than 555 changed everything and nvidia has been 99% perfect on wayland also minus some distro being so outdated like ubuntu and mint and debian they don't have 560 drivers or Xwayland 24.1 to support proper wayland. Upcoming nvidia driver will fix : 1. VRR on multi monitor 2. HDR 3. buttload of otherbugs and issues 4. more wayland support! 5. 6.12 kernel support without hacks

[@Satan-Claus]

Can’t wait to see these fixes ❤

[@dqskatt]

I still don't understand why Wayland did not support explicit sync up until recently, It's true that Nvidia using their own proprietary driver, but they aren't stupid enough to not provide any document or not listen to developers. Nvidia being the most popular GPUs manufacturer by a massive margin in the entire world even before Wayland being a thing, Not supporting them is hurting Linux as a whole. For the sake of being "open source" And "compatibility"? Is it "compatibility" when you're breaking 80% of GPUs in the entire world.

[@Mattscreative]

@@dqskatt because the Wayland developers thought they knew better until they were showing that they were wrong

[@ggmerlin5956]

Hope they improve the dx12 performance too

[@kborak]

nailed it!

[@dinckelman]

With a 1080ti on 560.35.03 and latest Kwin on Wayland, i genuinely don't have a single problem anymore

[@diddymies]

Except on dx12 titles.

[@Winnetou17]

Wait, so you're saying that the Wayland improvements (including that expllicit sync IIRC) wasn't just for RTX 2000/GTX 1600 and up ?

[@cyberturkey77]

@@diddymies ??? dx12 works fine

[@achaziel]

Hey, do you happen to know what the status of RTX Broadcast (or RTX Voice or whatever it's called nowadays) on Linux is? A friend of mine relies on NVidia's sound tech for his streams and it's been one of his biggest factors for not ditching Windows, so any insight into what's going on with that tech would be much appreciated.

[@pju28]

thank you for your effort and explanation! - Greetings from Austria

[@RinLovesYou]

My experience without watching: Yeah it's "fine" but still suffers from random issues here and there. For VR (foss) we need custom vulkan layers and some weird patches in monado. Wayland is fine now as well but the road has been rocky. Every driver release some new random issue crops up, gets fixed in the next one which introduces its own new weird issue. 555 just borked VR by having broken fence logic, 560 started out with pipewire capture issues, etc etc. i am so looking forward to nvk

[@Apemania69]

good video, i am on AMD atm but knowledge is knowledge. rly hope the bigger marketshare linux get the better it get with software. like amd radeon suite is very nice with the tools it gives you, same for nvidia on windows. both are lackluster on linux sadly and hope we got like the big one linux os for all so devs go more into linux software for us all SteamOS could be the one as they now work together with Arch for the system

[@mirkodiciano4647]

great video papa

[@GedebeKomain]

dear brother can you make a video for amd gpus in linux with this format? discussing which features are available or not in linux?

[@methos1024]

And also A Performance Comparison Specifically with AMD Cards or one Card :-) )

[@habios]

AMD does have its open source and closed source (PRO) drivers for Linux, check on the AMF and RoCM/HIP features. Some features are enabled by installing their PRO drivers, other features won't be enabled on Radeon cards that are not their Radeon PRO lineup.

[@magnummer]

I used various distros from 2008 to 2020. But got really tired of having to fix small little issues here and there. And I remember wayland being borderline unusable back then. For example, I remember installing flatpack apps and having it install old versions of the nvidia driver and never deleting them automatically. To the point where some text editor was using multiple gb of space and forcing me to fix that manually. I wonder, is it a plug and play experience now? Like, can I just install the OS and do absolutely zero tinkering before using it? Like, will the fractional scaling not only work but be configured out of the box on my 4k screen like in other OS's?

[@asunavk69]

@@magnummer Its soo much better, i use linux since 2019. Since last year things improved faster. It might not be plug and play but daily driveable without much pain(depends on things), you can at least your hardware(yes even nvidia prop drivers) inside cachyOS liveCD and see how it goes.

[@Winnetou17]

It still depends a bit, but if you buy a computer from somebody like System 76, Framework laptops or Tuxedo computers here in Europe, you might have a plug and play. I would say, it's also dependent on what you want to do on it. If you're only browsing - it should be flawless. Gaming with Steam - also should be flawless. But I imagine that if you go into more specific stuff, you'll probably have to fire up the terminal and get a bit dirty. Or if you simply want something more cutting edge.

[@cybernit3]

So by you using Hyprland instead of Kwin (KDE Plasma) this will help a little decrease the % loss in fps by like 2-5% estimated? In the future like you said for the Nvidia driver patches will improve things but also Wine/Proton will work better using Wayland fully and try to eliminate XWayland being used. Another thing hopefully more game titles will be ported to Linux (Native).Thank you for explaining about all this.

[@xenomyr]

And what about x11? I'm on manjaro

[@4znice]

swaywm gives more fps and lower latency .

[@cybernit3]

@@4znice swaywm is faster than hyprland? But KDE is a bit faster than Gnome? Right now I just use Gnome since I am familiar with it, but I might go to a tile manager in the future.

[@cybernit3]

@@xenomyr not sure

[@SpidFightFR]

Hey nice video, i'm on AMD personally, but still if i were to change GPU in the future, i still keep an eye out for good opportunities. :D Nice sum up, simple to understand, i appreciate it. Take care !

[@SirVisigoth]

Another brilliant Video, i learnt a few things today, Thanks keep it up.

[@Kiyuja]

I REALLY appreciate the honest review of the current situation. So many Linux users overhype the state of gaming, so we need as many honest people as possible. Maybe the success of the Steamdeck has changed Nvidias internal decissions and I think we should all applaud this and encourage them to keep it up. Also please more support for Wayland, its cleary the future of Linux desktop

[@ciscocomputertech]

Biggest issue now on Linux gaming is HDR. Things have come such a long way. On current Fedora release with 3070 1-12-25 no issues, HDR monitor found, but no game support yet. I wonder how they will implement it.

[@wise-succubin]

did you text x11 performance with compositor on or off? because disable compositing boosts fps dramatically

[@sniglom]

I've been gaming on Linux together with my 1080ti since 2017. It's been great all along.

[@SundeProd]

very good and clear video thanks

[@questy4tw]

Is the gsync multi monitor also a problem on wayland? sadly the control panel on wayland is basicaly empty so i cant activate the gsync status watermark

[@mr_hardy5329]

GTX 750Ti here 😅 Which driver should i use? Which one is better for my prehistoric GPU?

[@asunavk69]

The latest 560 proprietary driver should work, according to NVIDIA. Other good driver version atm is the late 550.

[@AnEagle]

@@imford wouldn't be surprised if there's some big company is actively using thousands of those and is paying Nvidia to keep them updated

[@Winnetou17]

@@imford If I'm not mistaken 750 Ti was released much later than the rest of 7xx series. No idea why, probably they had a big batch of chips that couldn't qualify for better GPUs and decided to put them in a low-end card.

[@blunelson146]

I would still go with an AMD RX/XT/XTX GPU CARDS. While its good to know that Nvidia Support is improving, it seems like its not going to be big compared to AMD GPUs, which haves much MUCH better support than Nvidia on Linux. My advise? Go with the PC/Laptop that at least haves AMD RX/RTX GPUs within.

[@BlackMage_01]

You can just say fairly recent AMD GPUs you don't need to list all the different marketing suffixes lol.

[@habios]

CUDA applications have great support, anything that isn't CUDA related should be covered with AMD or even Intel.

[@Winnetou17]

AMD GPUs in laptops are really rare. At least they were last time I checked, which was before the extremely late launch of RX 7800M. AMD really messed up with RDNA 3, in multiple ways. I mean, it's not truly terrible, but it went from "good" to "meh", which really leaves a sour taste when you were expecting "great".

[@aru-ch]

One thing to note however is the poor handling of VRAM on lower end Nvidia GPUs. I have a 3050ti Mobile 4G and I consistently crash/freeze due to Nvidia having no system memory to switch to when the VRAM gets full. This issue hasn't been fixed on the latest drivers either which is a bummer.

[@Sparks621]

RTX 3070 on Wayland here, literally playing Warframe at 1440p@120fps as I'm watching this, with no issues whatsoever. The driver did break with kernel 6.11, but for now if you can go back to 6.10 there are literally no issues at all.

[@ps-ri2qk]

I have a laptop w built in gpu and nvidia 1650ti, on arch. Tried numerous methods so far from soldoestech, jakoolit setups on github, even without running wayland hyprland yet just to see the system load nvidia drivers successfully sometimes via journalctl, but the nvidia-smi always says the card is off. Of course hyprland runs mediocre and you cant game at all. Any chance you could publish the mkinitcpio.conf, grub configs and any other file configs that you've made to make it all work? Or if there's specific sites you used to configure it? I've tried arch wiki, nvidia site, chris titus stuff, etc. - about a month of frustrations so far lol. Thanks

[@SvenHeidemann-uo2yl]

I have the bios of my 980ti modified to run undervolted. Would Linux ignore my bios settings?

[@mitsch581]

Great video! Thx!

[@alexmit92]

what is that app which he is using to draw sketches on screen called?

[@minifix]

I'm on a 4080 Super and getting huge fps drops on Linux as opposed to Windows - about 30% fewer fps. Wonder if AMD would have worked better.

[@mikesoto890]

bad configuration, I always get the same fps on both windows and linux with 3 different nvidia gpus

[@SpicyD_]

4080 on CachyOS here. 99.9% same performance for me, only Frame Gen (nvidia) is missing

[@yes-gn4kn]

as far as i know AMD GPUs actually get better fps on Linux than on Windows, pretty wild

[@ClosestNearUtopia]

Linux should give you a little boost in fps actually.

[@StormEnnairo]

Me too with my 4070 super, but that it's corresponding the lake of dlss frame gen. If I compare with Windows perf without dlss frame gen, it's more or less the same.

[@midas_9648]

How do i undervolt on linux?

[@offo8667]

Very clear explanation. Merci beaucoup!

[@phirrgus5117]

I’m currently using a 4070ti with Fedora 40, Gnome with xorg. I’ve only played the 3 Dark Souls and Elden Ring (Same engine so…) and Lords of the Fallen 2023. Performance is solid at 120fps or better, no drops and it looks great in spite of the lack of HDR support. On Wayland I was capped at 60fps and had some freezes. Not common, but enough to be annoying. That said, I understand support for xorg will be dropped soon, and I wish they wouldn’t until Wayland is on par performance wise….either way the whole gaming experience on Linux is so much better for me now than a few years ago, so hopefully it keeps improving at a good pace for everyone, regardless of our chosen hardware. Good video, thank you for the information.

[@idcrafter-cgi]

Freesync works for me with multiple monitors and having the one freesync monitor on a amd gpu like the integrated amd GPU on a Ryzen 7000 cpu or others with a gpu like intel

[@Flixerine]

I really like this Linux hype train that we are on right now, so tempted to switch to Linux on my gaming desktop as well.

[@craigtrish2011]

A very small corner of fanboys who refuse to acknowledge the major downfalls of linux are hardly a 'hype train'. Its a loud and niche amount of people

[@or1on89]

@@craigtrish2011 You must be fun at parties.

[@Tracing0029]

What is the name of the software you used to draw on the picture?

[@nickyy_00]

excalidraw

[@bonareck]

Very nice video! I’m curious about driver update and monolithic Linux kernel. What is the process of updating the driver? Do you have to wait for your distro to release new driver, therefore limiting the frequency of update? Where can I inform myself about that? Thanks!

[@methos1024]

Thankyou very very much for making Clear that this ist the Nvidia Situation. I just hear to often Statements of the Linux status without differecing AMD vs Nvidia. It really shouldn't be in a diffenrent state of Bugs and Features/Performance. but it simply is. Thankyou. And really interesting Informations. (Yes AMD Radeon User here :-) - on Linux)

[@williamalves5207]

I've bought a laptop a couple of years ago with an NVIDIA GPU. I immediately installed Linux, just to find out that the current driver didn't have support to DLSS. Installed Windows 10 after that.

[@lufog]

I've been using NVK for a while now and it works great. I like a variety of indie games, from simple RPG Maker games to UE games (like VotV). Out of my 80+ games collection (both native and Windows), only 1 game had issues, and those were related to Wine and not the driver. The only thing I REALLY miss is hardware video acceleration in browsers (unfortunately, it's not supported yet).

[@chungushook]

i have been using my 4070 on linux for a year now, and i have never had any issues outside of wayland with it. gnome was unusable when i started using linux (i assume it got better since), but hyprland has benn running very well (up until yesterday, when a kernel update broke hyprland on nvidia.)

[@Staravora]

It's great when it works, and it does work, but for me I've been kind of narrowing things down to find where the fewest visual/performance bugs are (that I experience) And I've more or less determined that the best experience is using Gnome, X11, and an Arch based distro

[@binja_]

Frame generation has been working for me on an RTX 4070 with proton GE in the one game I own that has it, Ghost of Tsushima.

[@AyaWetts]

I haven't noticed losing any FPS after switching to Wayland on my RTX 3080 Mobile in any game yet... (since 555 drivers). I think XWayland has been running pretty good. I test it in Windows and it benchmarks slightly faster in almost all games, but I've been playing 99.9% of the time in Linux on this laptop for a couple years with X11 and its always been great.

[@jr_Linux]

yea after trying my games in hyprland this past week, some games work some dont, 7days to die runs fine loads on my primary monitor just fine, american truck simulator both games are native but ats doesn't launch on my primary monitor or if it does it does't register my UW monitors resolution on wayland "i only have 2" even after i looked up and set the primary monitor with xrandr or whatever, it still didn't work right. not a total game breaker cause i have xfce as well. but yea not all games work properly on wayland where as it registers everything fine on xfce. so waylands cool but x11 is still king for gaming. but then again i don't use kde or gnome so idk if its all wayland or if its the window manager vs DE features

[@habios]

I have some weird mouse issues where the pointer seems to be misplaced, these issues go away when I switch back to GNOME, annoying at most, unfortunately we have to wait for Vaxry or other maintainers to fix them.

[@robertgosz4281]

I think I'll join the train.

[@ramirotauro]

Very good video

[@strelokscar2578]

So on linux basically we have half baked features only? Not so apealing it seems

[@sjoer]

Finally good enough? I've been gaming on nVidia on Linux for over a decade...

[@sjoer]

I do not experience much of the performance regressions you mention, in my recent time on Wayland I actually find that performance is actually better in most case! Especially regarding display synchronization, which is just broken on X11 and nVidia right now and has been for over a year!

[@sjoer]

And in the past years, when I reported an issue to nVidia there has always been an engineer there to try an get a reproduction of the problem!

[@sjoer]

Most of the issues I currently have with Wayland are not nVidia specific... like mouse speed being doubled or X11 windows being throttled when there are full screen windows... making OBS capture practically impossible for a gamer like me. I do want to add, I've been gaming on Linux 24/7 since 2016 and used Linux since 1998 so I've been through most of the grunt work leading up to this! The first time I really gamed on Linux was World of Warcraft almost 20 years ago :D

[@Matt2010]

I've been using Linux/nvidia for more than 10 years, gaming, its fine!. The only difference is unlike most, is I'm using older nvidia card. that can only use 470 driver version. At least it does have CUDA though.

[@Simulati0n]

Every time I watch Airmax video I can hear him in the background shouting "Catchy OS" 🤣

[@Cenot4ph]

Im forced to stay on windows with my 4090, linux ive just had too many problems and it maybe takes another 6-12 months for the issues to be ironed out

[@zor8952]

Still on X11 since Wayland doesn't support monitor overclocking.

[@electric26]

This was actually one of the final pushes for me to just buy a new monitor 😂 but I wanted a new one anyway, so yeah

[@ethanh20009]

Using a 4080 with all the latest drivers, kernel parameters set correctly. It still is so unreliable going to sleep. I swear suspend is just the bane of my existence. Kinda surprised no one else talks about it much.

[@AlaaSaidAhmad]

Bro give me a good Linux distro for my laptop Razer blade 18 intel core i9 14gen with Nvidia GeForce rtx 4090 please for daily use and programming and developer use

[@Arzeefy]

Fedora

[@electric_lizzzard]

Fedora

[@OraOraOra]

Yep Fedora is good, I also recommend Bluefin for programming and daily use. And if you are into gaming, bazzite is also great. (Both distros are from the ublue project and they are based on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite. They are rock solid and ultra reliable.

[@whyouread]

any rolling release distro. Most of them are stable by default

[@steve.1020]

Windows 11

[@marcopazzi117]

I am waiting to get the full Bazzite experience on nvidia, because the console like experience on just a 6700xt is better then my PS5

[@indaskyl1v3yx]

Actually is amazing how linux now days is in support. I use a setup of 2 gpu (passthrough on my qemu) for some games of services like Warzone or Battlefield i can abandon Windows , just for that matter ... For now 🥷 Amd and Nvidia are a GO ! Boys... So no more fanboys please 😂 just use everything technology give us

[@youtubevanced4900]

No HDR and terrible RT performance. Linux needs to implement and fix these issues.

[@snowythecolaaddict]

HDR is on KDE 6 and you need to use Wayland. Nvidia and Wayland aren't the best combo but with the 560 drivers, I'm having very little issues. Edit: I turned HDR on my Oled monitor and the colours were really washed out. Wouldn't recommend yet.

[@tablettablete186]

Far as I am aware, RT performance is the same on Windows

[@mat2739]

RT performance on nvidia gpu depends on nvidia drivers, not on Linux

[@methos1024]

@@snowythecolaaddict KDE Plasma has right under the Checkbox for HDR the slider for SDR-Colorintensity. For me that Slider on 100% and The Coloars are as goog as on SDR Mode. I have now some Months HDR constantly on and am Gaming with HDR Games. Looks nice :-) (Yes with the Gamescope startcommand for now)

[@youtubevanced4900]

@@snowythecolaaddict yeah the option is there but it’s problematic. I made the mistake of enabling it and it bricked my user with wayland. I could choose X11 and be fine but there was no way to turn the hdr back off for the wayland option. I was on the catchy os discord and forums. Speaking to the devs. Tried all this stuff but ultimately gave up. I started a new user account and kept hdr off. Was annoying having to set up everything again. RT performance is definitely not good on Linux. I’ve got a 4090. I was dual booting windows 11 and catch os and trying out cyberpunk. Much worse on Linux. I believe this channel has even made a video about it. Ultimately it drove me back to windows again because I have an nvidia card and an oled monitor which really makes the most of hdr. So as much as I want to shift away from windows, it’s still the best place for me currently with my setup.

[@sevenfacedsin]

I run a RTX3060 and can’t use any distro that uses Wayland. I am not a Wayland enjoyer. The desktop animations and window movements are laggy and janky. Some games work just fine, while others struggle. Under X11, everything works perfectly, and in many cases, much better than in Windows. For example, Diablo 2 Resurrected runs the best for me using X11, followed by Windows 10, with Wayland being in last.

[@questy4tw]

wayland is the future. Nvidia should make their wayland version better

[@iamstartower]

on the desktop nvidia is really good.... i see practically no difference compared to amd. but on my laptop linux still has problems handling 2 gpus at once... lately i've been having trouble getting linux to recognize all screen modes in my igpu and consistenly keep my settings when i switch betweeen intel igpu and nvidia graphics. or when using an external monitor with my lapto... guess linux is never going to be as simple as windows in that regard.

[@WololoWololo2]

Unless they fix it

[@6Meliora]

I'm Having A Decent Experience With Nvidia, But The Newest Nvidia Drivers Just Dont Seem To Work With My Laptop 4060. I Have To Downgrade To The 550 Driver Just For My Monitor To Be Able To Run At Its Full Refresh Rate. Anything Higher Than 120hz On The 555/560 Drivers Causes My External Monitor To Have No Signal And Go Black

[@lost-one]

Haven't had any gaming related problems with nvidia the last few years. Not sure why people diminish Linux to the extend that makes it sound like it's borderline unusable. Either way still need nvidia for AI purposes, and that's probably the only reason why I'm not switching to amd.

[@jakobw135]

OVERALL, which card will give you better performance in Linux: AMD Radeon, or Nvidia? Or, are they more or less the same?

[@nawaMLG]

I think dx11 games run through vkd3d not dxvk

[@asunavk69]

@@nawaMLG no, Dxvk=dx11 - > vulkan Vkd3d =dx12 - > vulkan

[@asunavk69]

@@nawaMLG no, Dxvk=dx11 - > vulkan Vkd3d =dx12 - > vulkan

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

best distro gaming for all cachy os

[@funnyman2023]

full time linuxs user?. amd is the way to go. perfedt wayland support on a amd 7900xtx. on ferdore 40 KDE Plasma 6.x HDR support. or try mint 22 cinnamon is a very good. linux os.

[@AyaWetts]

Fedora 41 Beta is working really good for me if you want to update...

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

blood strike b-r in windows 240 fps in linux 60-80 fps

[@timelord94]

I have a RTX 4080 and I get 20% less FPS using vkd3d instead of DirectX 12

[@ux7188]

a++

[@4smo]

always has been

[@csh9853]

ill keep using win 11 until nvidia gets their open source crap together.

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

wine more fps by disabling fsync and esync

[@Goryglory0209]

excuse me?

[@Neon-Grim]

The problem is not that I cant run an nvidia card, its that I dont want to. They've done way to many shitty things in the past, while also intentionally gimping their cards with low amounts of vram, in spite of pushing vram intensive effects like RT. Their tech also tends to be closed sourced, which I dont appreciate. Also I like running WMs instead of DEs, which dont tend to play nicely with Nvidia. I've made the mistake of buying a 3070 while I was still on windows, since I was curious how good DLSS would be, but all those claims saying that its "better" or "just as good" as native fell flat on their faces. DLSS like every other upscaling tech, ruins image quality by turning everything into a vaseline smear, its just not as bad as the other ones or TAA. Not only that, I was plagued by low vram issues at the resolution I play. I sold that card promptly during the mining craze and got myself a 6900XT (currently on a 7900XTX, the 6900XT is being used by my friend). Ofcourse this is from gaming point of view. If you need to do professional work, nvidia probs still is king there thanks to cuda and in general better software stack. Personally whenever I make a suggestion, I just suggest a card from both GPU vendors at the same price and list their pros and cons. Just cause I hate nvidia, doesnt mean I wont recommend them.

[@iamstartower]

nahhh nvidia only has 3 ahitty things against them... -evil pricing scheme. -putting new features behind a generational wall. -and limiting developement of open source drivers to protect their bussiness.

[@habios]

This, not a fan of NVIDIA either but sadly I need CUDA, I'm rooting for Intel's oneAPI development, so I might have enough reasons to switch over Arc. AMD software stack sucks, whatever works does perfect, but so many features are just lame or nonexistant.

[@bobjackson4287]

Nvidia gets be the way they are because the AMD competition sucks. Nvidia RT features are not just 'ahead' they are way ahead of AMD. Working on a AMD card sucks, their software sucks so bad. Aside from that on the gaming side AMD has been playing this game of "Get close or slightly beat Greens Raster pref and undercut by $50-75 USD while having like 40% worse RT core pref" I'd rather just run the Green card at that point. AMD has such a low market share because of that and because of paper launches or when they do launch a good card they have so few of them no one can get one for anywhere near MSRP. On top of this AMD *Way* oversells what they have from a marketing perspective and this makes it very difficult to take them at their word. Anyone remember Vega64? AMD is dominating CPU's because they are performance kings, priced accordingly to Intel, and are generally available. They are not doing this on their GPU side. This is how you get Nvidia memes like the leaked 5080 specs that are only 10% better than 4080 wereas 5090 is like a 35% uplift over 4090. Because they have no real competition. Going forward this is only going to become more true at the top end. Maybe AMD focusing on mid range will cause prices to drop like a rock but i doubt it. Pricing according to how good a part is not really a AMD strong suit historically.

[@Neon-Grim]

@@bobjackson4287 As I said, for work AMD is shit, ROCM isnt there and probs never will be. My point of view is not based from a commercial point of view but as I clearly stated in my first comment, gaming. Is AMD playing catchup? Yes they are, thats the truth. They were late to the party with upscalers, frame gen and its not even AI based and they lag behind when it comes to RT features. Though, for most consumers (not prosumers), most of these features dont matter. RT is still a gimmick, AV1 solves the encoding disparate, FSR frame gen is competitive with DLSS 3 frame gen, the only thing left open is DLSS upscaling. As much as I hate upscalers and TAA in general, there is no denying that DLSS is simply superior to anything else (but not better than native). That said, DLSS is not better than raw performance. Its very common to see (even a year or two back) where I live a 6800XT priced closely to a 3070, let alone a 6800. There was no reason to buy a lower end nvidia GPU, you werent going to use RT anyways and the destructive nature of DLSS is hardly worth it, compared to raw performance. Not only that, because of the vram limitations, you'd still have to reduce texture quality when running at higher resolutions even with DLSS. Finally, drivers havent been an issue for years now. And we can keep talking about semantics here and there. But in the end of the day, it doesnt matter. The only reason AMD is winning in the CPU space, was cause intel fumbled the bag so hard its not even funny, and yet intel is still leading the charge. Nvidia with their countless BS havent done that. The average consumer doesnt buy based on spec or feature requirements, but recognition and loyalty brand. Its very common to hear that people want AMD to be competitive, not so they can buy their products, but because they want nvidia to lower their prices. In the high end, Nvidia dominates, thats the truth. But anything from and including the 3080 class of cards was fairly competitive on AMDs side, yet they still got outsold 10:1. And this is not the first time this has happened. On multiple occasions AMD had the superior product, yet they still got outsold 10:1. The 1060 VS RX 480 / 580, the entire 6000 series, the R9 380 and 390 vs the GTX 960 and 970 and some of todays 7000 series matchups. AMD leaving the high end and focusing on the mid range wont change shit. They tried that and failed. The only way to get a semblance of balance in the market is for nvidia to fuck themselves hard, cause intel for sure aint denting that market share.

[@bobjackson4287]

​@@Neon-Grim There is no bad products typically just bad prices and this is AMD to a fault. The best card of this generation i would say is the 4070 Super. It's a good combination of feature set and cost and performance. I would also say 7900 GRE is probably the best AMD offering overall. It's on average $50 cheaper and does very well vs the 4070s, that is until any sort of RT or upscaler is used then it gets absolutely destroyed. Many will say that RT matters more on the high end i think its the opposite, it helps cards get to levels that they normally could not reach. In this case games like Wukong and 2077 the AMD card keeps up well until upscale and FG get turned on then it gets destroyed. It also uses more power than the 4070s. Is the 7900 GRE a bad card? No way it's awesome but $50 off is not enough cheaper to make it worth it over the feature set of the 4070s. This simply comes down to a pricing problem on AMD. They are charging like they are Nvidia in a lot of cases without the performance to back it up. When cards start costing more that $500 RT pref becomes less of a "Nice to have, lol" to more of a stance of "This is a 500+ card, good RT pref is a hard requirement for this much money" For that card to be a lot more competitive it needs to be closer to $475-500. At that point it's like yeah its worse on the RT and upscaler front but it's enough cheaper that it does not matter. It's very true that the name of Nvidia grants market dominance but it doesn't help when AMD is not aggressively trying to price their cards competitively either. AMD is a better deal on the super low end and that i would concede.

[@yaneemdetey]

NVIDIA good for gaming many years ago, what the problem? Wayland fanboys must suffer

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

in gaming us x11

[@strelokscar2578]

Winows 10 ftw

[@elbuglione]

Sorry man... I have enough of Nvidia on Linux. I'm migrating to AMD.

[@Klusio19]

I'm not even talking about gaming. Simple, everyday thing like scrolling in Brave browser on Wayland is stuttering and low fps as hell. On the integrated Intel GPU it works flawlessly...

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

if you dont have minimum 6 vram in linux plz go to windows linux work fin. withe rtx 5090ti super pro max tdi ..... linux crap in gaming 0/10

[@unconnectedbedna]

It is very simple for me. I run local AI:s A LOT, there is only one GPU that will give me performance for that, Nvidia GPU:s and CUDA cores. Besides, I have been using my nvidia to run wayland on my linux install for about a year, there might have been some flickering sometimes, but generally, ALL that is gone and it now runs smooth like butter. Most people claiming "nvidia bad, nvidia not good on linux" is ppl that do not run nvidia themselves. Why would you otherwise feel compelled to START THE VIDEO by talking to and CALLING THEM "amd fanboys"... Nvidia is GREAT on linux in 2024 and moving forward. Besides, tell me again how you use an AMD GPU to hardware encode without using the CLOSED SOURCE radeon drivers... About drivers: if your distro does not provide the drivers and software versions you require (for example Ubuntu), change distribution. DO NOT break your distro by installing unsupported software and drivers. DO NOT download and install from the Nvidia webpage. There is even a disclaimer TELLING YOU THAT on the nvidia webpage. I know the video is 2 months old, but I think I read that gsync for multiple monitors will be supported in the upcoming nvidia driver release. :)

[@George.Gadgets]

Hi Unconnectedbedna, thanks for the info, but it surprises me a lot that Ubuntu is not the nr1 distro for gaming when it is the only one officially supported by Steam and Proton, if I'm not wrong. Please report! Which is the best for gaming according to you? And which dm, wm etc?

[@unconnectedbedna]

@@George.Gadgets Are you talking about the "minmum requirement" on steam that is always referencing ubuntu if there is support for linux? The steam deck itself is running on arch, but claiming THAT is what is "only" supported would probably not be a good idea. I think the infobox is standardized to use ubuntu if the game works on linux, because that was what the first steamOS was based of, or because it probably have the most users. I honestly don't know. IMHO they should remove the whole distro info altogether in that box, potentially change it to a kernel version instead. As for recommendations, I have learned not to give them, because there are 1000 things that matter, YOU will have to decide. But if you change the question to what I am running myself, the answer is Arch/kde.

[@George.Gadgets]

@@unconnectedbedna Nice. Are you running some arch subdistro? I know that there are some with out the box support for gaming but honestly I prefer a mainstream distro for safety purpose and maybe from there build the configs by myself. The only problem that I see in the archs is that they have no official support for Brave which and will always be my main browser. There is no official repository for Brave in Arch, and for that reason I can't consider this distro since I didn't move away from Windows in order to go to an operative system where I must get the repositories from 3rd parties (AUR sources) with all the concerns associated to that. It's a pity but Arch does not have Brave, the most secure and privacy and security focused browsers in Earth. Nevermind. Anyway I don't know what will I do since I consider that building a zen Kernel with included nvidia drivers is the way to go, but on the other hand away from Arch, Fedora and Ubuntu I believe, are worse in terms of respecting personalized kernels. Therefore, one could use nobara or garuda but again they are not mainstream distros with reputable and recognized developers and founders, they are unknown ones, so, not a very safe bet even when they could be the supposed best out of the box gaming bet. Anything you can provide regarding all this stuff?

[@unconnectedbedna]

​@@George.Gadgets Ok.. It sounds like you are doing research, but your sources are a bit off it seems. I will try to answer in no particular order. 1. you cant "build a zen kernel and include nvidia". Nvidia can not be included in the kernel. 2. Brave is very far from being "the most secure and privacy and security focused browsers in Earth". I would argue that a corporation using the clients as bitcoin miners without consent or even informing them should NEVER be trusted again. Take a look at mullvad browser as alternative. Personally, firefox that I manually harden and use uBlock Origin is the best for me. 3. I do NOT use an arch derivative, I use pure arch. I have used manjaro in the past, but it ended up being WAY more unstable and WAY more maintenance than just pure arch. I have been keeping an eye on the forum of CachyOS for a few weeks. But to be honest, I do not want to throw all my eggs in one basket and rely on just a tiny few maintainers as my main operating system. However, I am about to try adding cachy repos to my vanilla arch and use the kernels they have to see if they actually are as "magical" as a lot of "cachy fanboys" claim. Ask me again in a few weeks.. xD To me, after lurking on their forum for a few weeks, it seems they have the same issues as manjaro in the long run, but with WAY less developers and resources...

[@unconnectedbedna]

2. Brave is very far from being "the most secure and privacy and security focused browsers in Earth". I would argue that a corporation using the clients as bitcoin miners without consent or even informing them should NEVER be trusted again. Take a look at mullvad browser as alternative. Personally, firefox that I manually harden and use uBlock Origin is the best for me.

[@GrubbyWubby]

pwhotaw

[@mansourimohamedlamine]

game mode = loss fps

[@Wicked0547]

It was always good with proprietary driver

[@unityaa]

Xdxd

[@Error_4x5]

WTF are you talking about? Nvidia's Linux drivers have been "good enough for gaming" for years.

[@mateixe]

Wayland its simple unaceptable, with Nvidia or AMD, but is worst with Nvidia. Nothing works correctly on wayland. Wayland in reality is not ready for the primetime. AMD never more, trash windows drivers, and even on linux is not very good, I'm ok with propritary drivers, but wayaland as a whole had to improve.

[@goldenzim]

Very nice video. I'm in the middle of moving all my gaming over to Debian Linux, previously Windows 10. I think I have gotten to a point where I have a completely smooth solution. Debian 12 - x64 XFCE4 - compositor disabled - important to turn compositing off - maybe 20% FPS increase and way less input lag Nvidia 3060 Ti - Nvidia 560 drivers from Nvidia debian soutces.list repo Steam flatpak version - proton experimental (steam native build would hang on some startups like echo point nova, trepang 2) Heroic Games Launcher - Wine-GE - this is for rocket league on epic and also for downloaded .exe files

[@Prizm44]

@goldenzim - Was all that a pain in the azz to set up on Debian? I have a 3060 and games ran beautifully in Linux Bazzite out of the box. But Bazzite's immutability started getting too restricting for me. On Fedora 40, the nVidia drivers were not as simple to set up. I wanted to try Debian but I feel like it's more messing around in the terminal.

[@goldenzim]

@@Prizm44 - On Debian it's pretty straight forward. It's a case of adding the non-free and non-free-firmware repos to your apt/sources.list file and then installing a package called nvidia-drivers. Reboot and then install the steam flatpak. This will install everything you need and you'll have the nvidia stable 535 drivers and Steam. I think I did an unneccessary step by installing the v560 drivers but it's too late for me to roll back now. - Google "Debian 12 nvidia drivers" for specifics

[@goldenzim]

@@Prizm44 - Just enable the non-free and non-free firmware repos in the apt/sources.list file and then apt install nvidia-drivers. Reboot, install steam using flatpak and you should be done. You'll have nvidia stable 535 drivers and everything steam needs to function. You don't have to get the nvidia 560. So far I don't notice anything better than I was getting with the 535.

[@bluealt4936]

@@goldenzim how do you get 560 drivers on debian? At least for me 535 drivers did not do well with Wayland so I would like to know

[@mafioso12dk]

Fuvcking youtube removes all my comments

[@Pandacier]

Same bruh