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11 жыл бұрын

Members of an isolated Amish community in eastern Ohio fear long prison sentences for 16 community members convicted of attacking other Amish and cutting their beards and hair.
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In Beard-Cutting Case, Amish Await Hate Crime Sentences
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@podunkcitizen2562
@podunkcitizen2562 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone think it's ironic that the people charged with hair cutting are named Mullet?
@EPUEPUEPUEPU
@EPUEPUEPUEPU 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo stop it !
@mariealainawalukas3048
@mariealainawalukas3048 3 жыл бұрын
OMG I didn’t even notice that! BWAHAHAHAH! Classic! 🤣🤣🤣
@Sexxxyism
@Sexxxyism 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@mrbubetube
@mrbubetube 3 жыл бұрын
now is the time for all owners of barber shops to go into hiding. the military should be afraid as well. VERY afraid!
@mariealainawalukas3048
@mariealainawalukas3048 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrbubetube BWAHAHAHAH
@ryanburden7179
@ryanburden7179 3 жыл бұрын
We assaulted people because they don’t believe what we believe, but we feel it should be handled internally. Yeah of course you do
@ryanburden7179
@ryanburden7179 3 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Roberts i don’t think you actually know the meaning of the word assault.
@ryanburden7179
@ryanburden7179 3 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Roberts maybe you should look up the definition of simple assault. Idk
@ryanburden7179
@ryanburden7179 3 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Roberts what would you call breaking into peoples houses, forcefully holding them down against their will and taking a pair of scissors to them???
@christinewalsh3043
@christinewalsh3043 2 жыл бұрын
​@Ryan Roberts Holding someone down, while they struggle and beg you to let them go. Begging you not to remove an extension of their body that they consider central to their identity, to their religious expression. That is absolutely assaulting someone.
@bax6067
@bax6067 2 жыл бұрын
@@christinewalsh3043 lt is in our world ,but they should leave the amish alone to handle it in thier world..this is the worse thing they do? Leave them alone ,the government doesnt belong in thier business, theyre system works alot better than ours does
@valeenoi2284
@valeenoi2284 3 жыл бұрын
Life in prison for forcefully cutting someone's hair? Come'n, you guys not telling us their other crimes.
@mrbubetube
@mrbubetube 3 жыл бұрын
The Marine Corps should be running scared right now
@cheeptrick5464
@cheeptrick5464 3 жыл бұрын
home invasion for one.
@rustyshackleford5516
@rustyshackleford5516 3 жыл бұрын
Kidnapping..
@Pretermit_Sound
@Pretermit_Sound 3 жыл бұрын
Well, depending on how old the eldest guy who was charged is, it might be the equivalent of a life sentence. If he gets 16 years, and he’s in his 60s for example, he’ll most likely die in prison. Hence, calling it a “life sentence”.
@Catspurrlounge
@Catspurrlounge 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrbubetube Hahaha, LMMFAO!
@rebeccacares3468
@rebeccacares3468 11 жыл бұрын
These guys were no longer truly Amish. They had evolved into a cult with a crazy man for a leader. There is much more to this story than what is reported here or by most of the media.
@ramdas363
@ramdas363 3 жыл бұрын
So they started a religious cult with a crazy man for a leader, unlike regular Amish who're part of a - oh wait...
@teresayeates3437
@teresayeates3437 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramdas363 You clearly have no understanding if you think regular Amish are a cult. Educate yourself.
@mkat4271
@mkat4271 3 жыл бұрын
they all have BISHOP
@rickobrien4025
@rickobrien4025 3 жыл бұрын
@@teresayeates3437 You have no idea what a sense of humor is...lighten up .
@ramdas363
@ramdas363 3 жыл бұрын
@JohnnyMavers "They're no more a cult than Hasidic Jews or Mennonites." So it's a cult is what you're saying?
@jeannecagle6467
@jeannecagle6467 3 жыл бұрын
They did a home invasion!! That’s enough right there!! Yesssss they need to go to prison for a while!!
@jamesjez1129
@jamesjez1129 2 жыл бұрын
Yea you just don't act any old way you want. This is like the extreme Muslims. Who think they are saving the world
@sobel4511
@sobel4511 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being the journalist tasked with covering this story.
@waldemarsilas6675
@waldemarsilas6675 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they shaved the journalist after that interview.
@axanarfilm
@axanarfilm 3 жыл бұрын
Religious zealotry and acts of domestic violence against your fellow citizens will not be tolerated especially if you did if for your faith. That makes it a hate crime.
@EBUNNY2012
@EBUNNY2012 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with religion. They committed crimes. That is the issue. Why they did it is not relevant. They are indicted for their crimes; not their beliefs.
@axanarfilm
@axanarfilm 3 жыл бұрын
@@EBUNNY2012 If you attack another person because of religious beliefs it is a hate crime not just a crime. It comes with enhanced punishment.
@carlopton
@carlopton 3 жыл бұрын
She was wrong about no lasting harm. I'm not Amish. But, there is this. You do this type of crime, you are committing life long harm to the mental state of that person. Beards are central to their way of life, and it denotes manhood, among the Amish. From what I understand. This would be no different than cutting the locks off the men in a certain Jewish community, and so on. So yeah, a hate crime.
@thefallenlettuce2797
@thefallenlettuce2797 3 жыл бұрын
Murder:15 years Forced Hair Cutting:Up to life
@ruslankazimov622
@ruslankazimov622 3 жыл бұрын
How do you cut someone's hair and beard without threatening him, then forced entry to his property / home invasion and finally kidnapping him to somewhere else ? Imagine 4-5 very relict looking man rushing towards you while holding razors and scissors and yelling "come over here, you anglish, heretic". That's just enough to shoot every one them right there.
@thefallenlettuce2797
@thefallenlettuce2797 3 жыл бұрын
@@ruslankazimov622 I have no idea what in the bo hickey that means but.... yes.
@leemark1912
@leemark1912 2 жыл бұрын
This is the law of the USA
@williamdread391
@williamdread391 3 жыл бұрын
I am just venturing a guess that kidnapping, false imprisonment, and physical assault were terms involved in this proceeding. All of which can and often do carry long prison sentences. The community may have been better served to practice the shunning instead of physically abusing.
@paulforester6996
@paulforester6996 3 жыл бұрын
What happened to keeping your hands to yourself? Being attacked like that causes lasting trauma. Maybe the leaders will realize that you don't own another man outside of your tribe, after jail.
@tedmitten8832
@tedmitten8832 3 жыл бұрын
fair punishment would be prison until the beard grows back
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 3 жыл бұрын
And they should be made to get in front of everyone, including the victims, and made to apologize. They should be made to pay for any punitive damages and emotional problems.
@daidzych6844
@daidzych6844 3 жыл бұрын
God wanted it this way
@angelaandreasen6797
@angelaandreasen6797 3 жыл бұрын
You have the best response
@SeganHealthHacker
@SeganHealthHacker 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say twice as that - they must pay extra. And not a single day more.
@alasdairhicks6731
@alasdairhicks6731 3 жыл бұрын
KZbin recommendations do strange things after 8 years...
@ChooChewChu
@ChooChewChu 6 жыл бұрын
The Mullets, lol.
@isabellacapone1622
@isabellacapone1622 5 жыл бұрын
I Know Sam , he was very Strict . Always gave me a Creepy feeling. I know the men and women he did that too. I Love My Amish Friends And take them places and Moses shoes my horses . Sam was just a Bad Apple and Billy his son isn’t right in the head either .
@helveticaification
@helveticaification 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised to hear that. . . . There is usually more to these stories than gets covered.
@jeffreymorris11
@jeffreymorris11 3 жыл бұрын
What happened with the sentences? How is the well-being of the Amish community at this time....2 June 2021? (Sent from England, within the British Isles)
@beachmasterX
@beachmasterX 2 жыл бұрын
There have been quite a few Amish families move to my neighborhood from NE Ohio, they seem friendly and sell fresh tomatoes
@evaclark4304
@evaclark4304 3 жыл бұрын
Ok these guys at the max should get probation !!! This is not right!!! What about all the real hate crimes murder in Chicago New York!! This is not right!
@mtadams2009
@mtadams2009 3 жыл бұрын
I think they knew what they were doing. They just never thought anything would come of it. It was not about cutting their hair and beards it was about control.
@dickhochella2971
@dickhochella2971 2 жыл бұрын
it wascand is. about compliance with Amish customs standards n rules!
@SanCreatividad-pd1pf
@SanCreatividad-pd1pf 3 ай бұрын
Control and humilation.
@loveandanarchy1111
@loveandanarchy1111 11 жыл бұрын
You can not lay your hands on someone else against there will. End of story.
@pleaseenteraname8129
@pleaseenteraname8129 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Can’t believe anyone is sticking up for these thugs.
@helveticaification
@helveticaification 3 жыл бұрын
Um . . . . unless you are a cop, in which case, as long as there are no witnesses, and can tell a plausible story, you can do what you like.
@Smithpolly
@Smithpolly 11 жыл бұрын
"One bishop told jurors his chest-length beard was chopped to within one-and-a-half inches of his chin when four or five men dragged him out of his farmhouse in a late-night home invasion." Daily Mail newspaper. : I'm not the politest person in the world but I'd consider this behaviour as being more than "pretty rude"
@markknopflerisnot
@markknopflerisnot 3 жыл бұрын
I guess when you are in a cult, you can make up your own weird rules and be even more strange and bizarre
@someotherdude
@someotherdude 3 жыл бұрын
It's precisely that perception of 'cult' that is the reason for such harsh sentencing being considered.
@thomasohaney3290
@thomasohaney3290 3 жыл бұрын
@@someotherdude cult is short for culture, soo your saying "It's precisely that perception of 'CULTURE' that is the reason for such harsh sentencing being considered. sooo whose perception would you follow without discriminating against the other sec/cult/culture. catch 22, ,,, everyone is in some sort of cult or another, its just we dont call ourselves that.
@popcorn8153
@popcorn8153 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasohaney3290 I am in a culture where we forcibly break and enter and cut peoples hair. Its not a cult, its my culture okay?
@sonicgamer3839
@sonicgamer3839 2 жыл бұрын
@@popcorn8153 just like leftist....thay want others monny n freedom
@donmcc6573
@donmcc6573 3 жыл бұрын
It was just a matter of time before the government came for the Amish.
@samsaunders6177
@samsaunders6177 3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking. 17 years for a haircut is a long time. But a child molester will get a couple year's. This is targeted
@guyarrol582
@guyarrol582 3 жыл бұрын
Kidnapping
@madracing1
@madracing1 3 жыл бұрын
@@samsaunders6177 not for the haircut but for the home invasion, kidnapping and such
@feurigerStern
@feurigerStern 3 жыл бұрын
This is ridiculous! Just do the eye for an eye, beard for a beard penalty.
@patrickhenry4675
@patrickhenry4675 3 жыл бұрын
Hipsers sipping PBR everywhere are cheering the protection of beards.
@hadleybee9710
@hadleybee9710 3 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@Kirin2022
@Kirin2022 3 жыл бұрын
That state would rather pay $35-50,000 a year to house prisoner than make a convict receive justice and learn his lesson a another way and still be a productive member of society.
@SeganHealthHacker
@SeganHealthHacker 2 жыл бұрын
OH! THIS WOULD BE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "You, here. Take these scisors. Now have fun." And then a good while behind bars for the home invasion. And that'd be it.
@dickhochella2971
@dickhochella2971 2 жыл бұрын
your idea would not be in accord with Amish rules n customs.
@carbikenetwork
@carbikenetwork 3 жыл бұрын
Samuel Mullet (66) bishop of the Amish congregation received a 15-year prison term - :)
@rpach3023
@rpach3023 3 жыл бұрын
Amish on Amish hate crimes, on the next Geraldo.
@rickobrien4025
@rickobrien4025 3 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you who should be in prison...whoever does the haircuts on the boys !
@shanittathompson2039
@shanittathompson2039 3 жыл бұрын
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@covfefe4409
@covfefe4409 3 жыл бұрын
Give that man a cigar
@grisom5863
@grisom5863 3 жыл бұрын
Probably the same men.
@christopherjonson4072
@christopherjonson4072 3 жыл бұрын
Is this an Onion story? Life for cutting a beard? (Or any time?)
@strnglhld
@strnglhld 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, there’s more to the story than just cutting hair.
@Otaku155
@Otaku155 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of pride for people supposedly on the straight and narrow path...
@LilySteph1949
@LilySteph1949 2 жыл бұрын
Like most euro Christian’s
@ken45y
@ken45y 4 жыл бұрын
I read the book Renegade Amish and there is more that went on. That being said though I do feel bad for Marth especially after seeing her cry. Don't think the women have much choice in what they do.
@Bubby448
@Bubby448 3 жыл бұрын
Warped way of thinking. You can’t bully people not matter what you think.
@notapplicable4567
@notapplicable4567 3 жыл бұрын
Ye....tho have besieged ye self, tho comit'eth ye crime, tho shall do'eth ye time.
@RewindShowBob
@RewindShowBob 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, but make the punishment fit the crime.
@reloader3086
@reloader3086 3 жыл бұрын
Would be self defense if one would shot and killed those other almish! And yes almish have guns!!
@digitallurke7710
@digitallurke7710 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's a job for the police
@reloader3086
@reloader3086 3 жыл бұрын
@@digitallurke7710 grab your ankles! While you wait for the police!
@patcarague355
@patcarague355 2 жыл бұрын
Can I send my barber to prison for a bad haircut?
@uefamikep
@uefamikep 3 жыл бұрын
Gangsta paradise will now be the parody of Amish paradise
@funkyprepper
@funkyprepper Жыл бұрын
Can they just be left alone in peace
@MrKarmapolice97
@MrKarmapolice97 5 жыл бұрын
They have no right to attack outside people, but this sentencing is to much
@bartwilson2513
@bartwilson2513 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not to the people they terrorized, assaulted, and sheared.
@skydragon2125
@skydragon2125 3 жыл бұрын
But what if the outside people deserved it🤷🏾
@jamielynnp24
@jamielynnp24 11 жыл бұрын
Fifteen years for cutting a beard? LOL Funniest and STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard. It's not like it didn't grow back.
@dickhochella2971
@dickhochella2971 2 жыл бұрын
exactly. no long lasting effect except for what they imagine in their own minds.bshould we have mind police?
@jeferssonmontoya2177
@jeferssonmontoya2177 2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@maxmccullough8548
@maxmccullough8548 5 ай бұрын
The men they assaulted and kidnapped had beards down to their waists some of them. You're ignoring the home invasions, and the assaulting of the women as well.
@cadomosting3965
@cadomosting3965 3 жыл бұрын
The 8th amendment pretty much tells us that there's more to this story, otherwise this is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment.
@idrisabdulllah692
@idrisabdulllah692 3 жыл бұрын
probably a couple of kidnapping charges and assault with a deadly weapon on whatever was the cutting tool. throw in a couple of hate crimes lol
@rhyfelwrDuw
@rhyfelwrDuw 3 жыл бұрын
Hard prisoner to another: What u in for? Answer - murdering 50 people Hard prisoner to Amish prisoner: What u in for? Amish: Cutting off Obadiah's hair and beard Other prisoners: 😶😶😶
@chaosdweller
@chaosdweller 3 жыл бұрын
Your name? lol!
@dawn8685
@dawn8685 2 жыл бұрын
There is much more to this story than is being told. It isn’t about just cutting hair and beards!
@Critical-Thinker895
@Critical-Thinker895 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds more like people in Ohio don't like the Amish. A prison sentence is excessive for cutting hair. How can Amish on Amish assault be considered a hate crime?
@dixietenbroeck8717
@dixietenbroeck8717 3 жыл бұрын
You must have missed out on the *forcible home invasion* and *terrorization* parts.
@maxmccullough8548
@maxmccullough8548 5 ай бұрын
Different sects of Amish, you're saying the Catholics and protestants in Ireland never committed any hate crimes upon each other because their both christians?
@Smithpolly
@Smithpolly 11 жыл бұрын
Really, that's the way you generally solve neigbourhood arguments? Organise a gang of "devout" Amish to drag your neighbour out of his home and burn his family pictures? How do they advertise that? "Order 3 home invasions and get a free quilt, this week only " Yes, he can regrow his beard. Does that mean as soon as his beard is grown everything magically goes back to normal and he and his family feel safe in their home.
@iamthatiam363
@iamthatiam363 3 жыл бұрын
Well if my hair looked like those boys hair I'd gladly shave it off!! Jeez what bad hair styles.
@thomashartmann1045
@thomashartmann1045 3 жыл бұрын
This is literally insane.......
@bxdanny
@bxdanny 2 жыл бұрын
Why was this a Federal case, instead of being tried in State court?
@mefford67
@mefford67 3 жыл бұрын
*They should have thought twice before accusing someone of “impure thoughts” and violating another person’s body, period.* 😖
@craig-3799
@craig-3799 5 жыл бұрын
A 15 year senence for what would be considered a high school prank in some circumstances. The sentence is the hate crime.
@ubellubo
@ubellubo 3 жыл бұрын
What about the home invasion aspect? That is a serious violation. Also apparently the victims were bloody and bruised after the ordeal. So it's not just cutting of hair. This was a violent act.
@charlesdoan3870
@charlesdoan3870 3 жыл бұрын
This guy was the Amish enforcer. Dude ruled with an iron fist. I am sure he has done way worse things than this. All in the name of god. So they say...This guy makes Lebenon Levi look like a joke.
@steveanderson3088
@steveanderson3088 3 жыл бұрын
No, the kidnapping and cutting are crimes. They were acting like an organized crime family. Amish mafia.....
@steveanderson3088
@steveanderson3088 3 жыл бұрын
@@ubellubo Vengeance is mine says the lord.
@nic12344
@nic12344 3 жыл бұрын
Except that they are not high-schoolers anymore, that they were armed, committed home invasion, sequestration, assault and conspired to commit a hate crime...
@zeusincoming282
@zeusincoming282 3 жыл бұрын
I find a lot of Barbies with their hair cut,, I didnt know that Little Girls hated Barbie!
@newcity777
@newcity777 11 жыл бұрын
This is crazy 7 to 15 years for what. This is wasting tax payers billions of dollars each year. Go after the real criminals. Leave people that make little mistakes alone. Man they could have given them mandated community service. This sounds like like something you hear from North Korea or a dictatorship from a third world country. How could this be happening in America the "Free and the Brave". Lord help us
@OHYS
@OHYS 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@mississippimud7046
@mississippimud7046 4 жыл бұрын
I must have missed something other than hair cutting because hair grows back ,what else did these people do
@docholiday1806
@docholiday1806 4 жыл бұрын
Mississippi Mud it’s assault dude.
@MN-mc8ik
@MN-mc8ik 4 жыл бұрын
Don't worry due to Corona he is now in house arrest XD
@reneepash1286
@reneepash1286 4 жыл бұрын
Mississippi Mud held them against their will?
@steveanderson3088
@steveanderson3088 3 жыл бұрын
Kidnapping, assault, battery, intimidation, terrorist threats, arson, home invasion, trespassing, theft, destruction of private property shall I continue? Religious zealots.
@yawnandjokeoh
@yawnandjokeoh 3 жыл бұрын
I believe Wesley Willis’ song “Cut the Mullet” should be part of this video.
@jeferssonmontoya2177
@jeferssonmontoya2177 2 жыл бұрын
That's why aliens don't want to come to planet earth they think we are to stupid 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@tractormantp2113
@tractormantp2113 3 жыл бұрын
The seems like a really ridiculously hard settings for cutting somebody’s hair I mean possible life in prison for cutting somebody’s hair murderers get less than that sometimes
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think they should get life in prison, but what they did was abominable and deserves punishment.
@steveanderson3088
@steveanderson3088 3 жыл бұрын
They are breaking up an organized crime family.
@bigbluemsp
@bigbluemsp 3 жыл бұрын
It includes kidnapping since it was done against their will and they were held to do it and also assault.
@tractormantp2113
@tractormantp2113 3 жыл бұрын
BigBlueMSP ooooo boy
@ladyj9826
@ladyj9826 3 жыл бұрын
You do not touch another. Period. Go to prison until the hair is grown back.
@abcdefgh-fp4ne
@abcdefgh-fp4ne 2 жыл бұрын
forceful beard cutting is hate crime.Punishment for such a hate crime is life in prison. But I'm sure their cult leader won't last a year in prison.
@swamikrishnaaatma7583
@swamikrishnaaatma7583 3 жыл бұрын
You cannot undo the trauma that was caused, and the humiliation. This was indeed a crime against society and it should have had prison sentences.
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think they should get life, but they should serve a sentence for sure, otherwise we send the message that this behavior is alright. It's not alright. It's evil.
@dickhochella2971
@dickhochella2971 2 жыл бұрын
your claims are riidiculous.
@resmarted
@resmarted Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as a "crime against society"
@bthompson1767
@bthompson1767 5 жыл бұрын
What a lovely faith
@josephbalado3405
@josephbalado3405 4 жыл бұрын
What happen to he who has no sin cast the first stone
@StompingRabbits
@StompingRabbits Жыл бұрын
I guess finding a shaved kitty in Lancaster is impossible! 😣
@ComradeApep
@ComradeApep 7 жыл бұрын
amish fundamentalists: "shaving your beards and mustaches."
@ramdas363
@ramdas363 3 жыл бұрын
Radical stuff. Here in Europe actual religious terrorists get out after a few years, only to offend right again. Purportedly they can't be deported or kept locked up. Meanwhile in the US: You get 15 years for cutting beards, or for selling marijuana while black. We should swap: The US jails our murderers for life and we take the petty criminals and put them into a jail where they won't come out worse than they went in. Win win!
@susanshirak7811
@susanshirak7811 2 жыл бұрын
Like anyone else hate crime is hate crime. They should not have FORCEFULLY done that
@stevemtc1
@stevemtc1 5 жыл бұрын
15 years for cutting someone’s beards simple assault I can see but 15years cmon
@RABIDJOCK
@RABIDJOCK 3 жыл бұрын
If they break into your house hold you and your family hostage while they attack you.
@Sarah.Riedel
@Sarah.Riedel 3 жыл бұрын
It's a hate crime. It's not "just" a beard, it's an attack on their fundamental expression of faith - it would be like ripping off a Muslim woman's hijab in the course of a violent assault.
@ericpl7227
@ericpl7227 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sarah.Riedel EVERY crime is a hate crime!
@TS-wq6qb
@TS-wq6qb 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericpl7227 Sooo TRUE. I wish more people realized this fact.
@KevinSun242
@KevinSun242 3 жыл бұрын
Breaking into someone's home and assaulting them is a violent home invasion. When you commit that act, you are violating a persons home and feeling of security. The penalty for that crime should be mandatory double digit years or lifetime imprisonment should they have a criminal past.
@walkertongdee
@walkertongdee 3 жыл бұрын
Life imprisonment for a haircut sounds about right for the Ameican Injustice System
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a haircut though. They were siezed and by force they had parts of their bodies taken away from them to humiliate them. I'm sure you'd be totally fine with someone that didn't like you held you down and shaved you bald.
@Ryooken
@Ryooken 3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Gallowglass This is rather overblown. Yes, they committed a crime and should be sentenced and punished but they didn't remove body parts like fingers toes etc. What they did should be addressed with time just not life. The hair will grow back.
@Ryooken
@Ryooken 3 жыл бұрын
@@russ7009 I understand that but to charge them with a hate crime that's a bit much. As far as the charges go B and E that is a misdemeanor, kidnapping is a felony, and assault. Which should have carried a sentence of 10-20 years maximum. Life is a bit much. Now they are the same religion, citing a difference in religion again doesn't quite work, they are part of the same community. For the record it's not that I don't understand the significance of the offense, I just think it's overblown. If they were even part of different sects then yeah a hate crime might be warranted but this is a severe stretch. I don't see it. The other part of the problem is we have always treated the Amish as separate from the rest of the country because of their unique customs, so it's going to be a little hard to say this is a hate crime. A crime yes, a felony yes, and hate crime no.
@Ryooken
@Ryooken 3 жыл бұрын
@@russ7009 Way to go misrepresenting what I said. In order for this to be a hate crime, it would have to be about racial or in this case sectorial differences. It's not. Apparently you can't distinguish between people in the same group with the same beliefs that decided that one of the people in their group acted inappropriately and decided to exact penance. That's not a hate crime, it's still a severe crime but it's not a hate crime. In order for it to be a hate crime certain special circumstances within the law would have to apply that's why I said, this is a stretch.
@maxmccullough8548
@maxmccullough8548 5 ай бұрын
​@@Ryookenit literally is about sectorial differences , these folks did not just attack people from their own sect
@Smithpolly
@Smithpolly 11 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what the jail sentence should be but I know it's a crime. It's not just "pretty rude". It's not the joke that a lot of people seem to regard it as. I find Martha Mullet's attitude in this video particularly disgusting. The idea that the victims haven't suffered any lasting harm because their beards will grow back. Frankly, if people dragged me out of the house at night and cut my hair off, you bet I'd want to tear their lives apart.
@joshseidman3146
@joshseidman3146 3 жыл бұрын
I'm missing something?... Prison for cutting hair?
@100PercentNotJo
@100PercentNotJo 3 ай бұрын
“Wait.. you have an iPhone..?” Yeah y’all deserve prison
@ge2623
@ge2623 3 жыл бұрын
How are they going to talk to visitors through the glass with those phones?
@stephaniegraham1576
@stephaniegraham1576 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaa
@question3613
@question3613 3 жыл бұрын
This is crazy they are going to have THE WORST time in prison
@georgiedodson2064
@georgiedodson2064 4 жыл бұрын
They know the importance of the hair & beard, and having it cut off showed they were being disrespectful, and not only a crime against the people they attacked by their own religion, they can sook about how they made a mistake & that the "peoples hair & beard can grow back", but as an Amish they KNOW the importance of the hair & beard, but it seems they don't! So suffer the consequences like any other criminal. If they had an issue with that particular group of Amish be adult about & talk about the issue, not assault someone & cut off their hair/beards a symbol of their religion, even a non-Amish such as I can recognise this.
@rebeccacares3468
@rebeccacares3468 11 жыл бұрын
From amishamerica: D. Kraybill, who served as expert witness in the trial, had this comment on Sam Mullet’s group: “I call them a clan, and I do not consider them Amish at all.” “They discontinued church services about two years before the beard cuttings,” "I have evidence of illustrations comparing Sam to the prophets like Elijah.” Kraybill notes the group routinely violated key articles of the Dordrecht Confession...used by all Amish...which rejects revenge and the use of force."
@j.s.3893
@j.s.3893 10 ай бұрын
He wrote his book without even speaking to anyone in the community.
@yvonnephillips3888
@yvonnephillips3888 3 жыл бұрын
You don't get to profit from a countries benefits without coming under the laws.
@RewindShowBob
@RewindShowBob 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct. The question here is does the penalty fit the crime. I see it as extremely severe for simple assault.
@Showza83
@Showza83 3 жыл бұрын
Amish video from 2012?! KZbin, your ways are mysterious.
@trukeesey8715
@trukeesey8715 3 жыл бұрын
Prison is kidnappin. Kidnappers are to be stoned to death.
@BIGBADWOOD
@BIGBADWOOD 3 жыл бұрын
O.M.G IMPURE THOUGHTS OF SLEEPING WITH THEIR FARM ANIMALS ??
@texmurphy7205
@texmurphy7205 11 жыл бұрын
"I'd consider this behaviour as being more than "pretty rude" Is it worth 15 years in jail?
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 3 жыл бұрын
Should a gang of people forcibly holding people down with sharp impliements and violating and humiliating them not be punished. What if they did that to your mom and dad? If a gang of people showed up to siezed my family and by force shaved them bald I would have shot them all.
@Brett33
@Brett33 3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Gallowglass Yeah, because hair never grows back ?
@mikeyhuerta9061
@mikeyhuerta9061 3 жыл бұрын
Religion doesn't give the right to assault another person. These are god fearing people shame on them.
@iguanapete3809
@iguanapete3809 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, at my Catholic Confirmation the Bishop slapped my face.
@worddunlap
@worddunlap Жыл бұрын
He is out of jail and it seems he was sleeping with his niece when arrested. Any impure thoughts were in the mind of Sam Mullet. The actual story is far, far worse than impure thoughts. His daughter has written a book.
@krystingrant6292
@krystingrant6292 Жыл бұрын
Omg
@dogwoodvanbibber4522
@dogwoodvanbibber4522 2 жыл бұрын
Is life imprisoned for cutting somebody's hair or beard serious.. And you have cops out there killing people on the streets
@CatesCube
@CatesCube 2 жыл бұрын
They ended up getting three years in Prison.
@OP-1000
@OP-1000 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe not send them to jail, but to a hair stylists school.
@davidturner4987
@davidturner4987 3 жыл бұрын
I don't care what your religion is, you have no right to lay a hand on another person like that and I cannot help but wonder if all these supportive posts would be quite so understanding or sympathetic if these were Muslims or some other ethnic religious minority. I think the sentence was just.
@kimfielding8010
@kimfielding8010 3 жыл бұрын
Impure thoughts......... Wait till the Govmt discover that new charge
@TS-wq6qb
@TS-wq6qb 3 жыл бұрын
Right!
@truthmatters9594
@truthmatters9594 2 жыл бұрын
This piece is only giving the side of the ABUSERS not the victims!!!!
@jokerturtle7912
@jokerturtle7912 5 жыл бұрын
Wth possible life in prison for CUTTING ANOTHER GUYS BEARD OFF WTH!!!!! seriously wtf is going on with humanity that NUCKING FUTSSSSS!!!!
@ericbailey6779
@ericbailey6779 3 жыл бұрын
The also kidnapped them, drug them outside and left them beaten to a pulp.
@greatesttoysevermade3693
@greatesttoysevermade3693 3 жыл бұрын
Man oh man, that is homely amish lady in the thumbnail.
@jessethepondhopper8370
@jessethepondhopper8370 3 жыл бұрын
So each time I cut my beard I start a new life
@ffwilver77
@ffwilver77 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I thought the Amish didn't believe in being filmed/photographed....
@mikev207
@mikev207 3 жыл бұрын
But if you get caught commiting a crime with illegal drugs and guns, you are put right back out on the street through the criminal justice revolving door to do it over and over......
@Lindrios
@Lindrios 3 жыл бұрын
right?? all so they can tout good arrest numbers and rack up restitution over and over
@ugly_.steez_5720
@ugly_.steez_5720 6 ай бұрын
Crazy how the Bishops can’t do anything wrong but if it wasn’t the bishop and his sons getting in trouble then the whole community would shun them and be forced not to talk about the matter
@stuartscargill
@stuartscargill 11 жыл бұрын
bit harsh
@lukerinderknecht2982
@lukerinderknecht2982 3 жыл бұрын
Weird how this is trending now. I had another old story from the AP on this come across my recommendations 🤔
@MsJoyce31202
@MsJoyce31202 10 ай бұрын
Hair grows back but trust doesn't. The ones who were attacked don't trust you anymore.
@kevinli6790
@kevinli6790 3 жыл бұрын
0:06 holup isn't that the weird al scene in amish paradise
@fuckfannyfiddlefart
@fuckfannyfiddlefart 3 жыл бұрын
It's so sad that these cults exist
@Yobydobie
@Yobydobie 4 ай бұрын
Well well well… if it isn’t the consequences of your own actions.
@robschannel4512
@robschannel4512 3 ай бұрын
Free the Mullet. The man brings the hammer to sinful Amish. His s name may be Mullet but he's not business in the front party in the back.
@daspicsman
@daspicsman 3 жыл бұрын
What? The worst I can see here is assault and even that is a stretch especially amongst their own people. This is so bizarre that it boggles the mind.
@dixietenbroeck8717
@dixietenbroeck8717 3 жыл бұрын
You must have missed out on the *forcible home invasion* and *terrorization* parts.
@m.w.wilson234
@m.w.wilson234 5 жыл бұрын
If this is a religious group that is officially recognized as not being considered for conscription in war because of religious and "peace" reasons (for example: some sort of "turn the other cheek" view of life) then perhaps that ruling should be revised.
@dickhochella2971
@dickhochella2971 2 жыл бұрын
revised to what?
@dickhochella2971
@dickhochella2971 2 жыл бұрын
not an offense with any prison sentence but a fine of low dollar value!
@joelnordstrom8049
@joelnordstrom8049 3 жыл бұрын
Better guard yer hair!!! Big $$$
@josephclark8395
@josephclark8395 3 жыл бұрын
Soooo.. what that did was a frat party prank
@daverave5743
@daverave5743 2 жыл бұрын
Government has become way too intrusive with power crazy judges and politicians. Leave these people alone!
@busterfrysinger5965
@busterfrysinger5965 3 жыл бұрын
You know life is good when Bs like this gets ANY attention. Ridiculous.
@danielduvernay3207
@danielduvernay3207 3 жыл бұрын
Like yeah don't cut other people's hair, but also yeah you shouldn't get life in prison
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