Ngarimu Blair: The remarkable economic rise of Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei | Q+A 2022

[@subramsubramaniam1327]

Thanks Jack for detail conversation

[@ademariojunior]

Congratulations. I hope they can show the strength of their culture and keep a well-tendered land. And I hope New Zealand can show the world that the coexistence of difference is possible and that plurality has always the advantage of flexibility in the face of a changing world.

[@ranuilaurencemarriner2029]

What a humble young man Ngarima, no wander you were chosen to lead Ngati Whatua, l really enjoyed your korero, you would make an awesome Prime Minister,and yes lm for Co governance. Mauri Aroha mauri ora kia Koe e Parata.

[@demelzapurcell]

Congratulations. Please help Ngati Kahungunu

[@user-oo4zo8yy5u]

All government properties must be returned to Maori ownership. Maori do not want private property returned.

[@geoffreytewhetu9702]

❤❤

[@CaptainKuki]

Chur Nga!!

[@novak4594]

Bro. Put your kids thought electric apprentice. $100 an hr

[@torqingheads]

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@po6g485]

This is not correct

[@WeddingDJBusiness]

I think the Waitangi Tribunal was established in 1975, not 1991. Tribal ownership is a type of collective ownership, not individual. How tribes distribute assets /income to their joint owners is trickle-down that is not always clearly seen. Some tribes have shared/invested wisely, like Ngai Tahu, and some invested in the Warriors and didn't fare so well. It is probably fair to say that human nature has always played a part in any trade, and Maori and European trading is/was no different. The exchange for muskets for land so that you could then have the upper hand in a battle with an adversary/ tribe-the confiscation of land for minor infringements of taxes so that land can benefit someone else etc. Through the Waitangi tribunal disputes process, I believe most of the disputes that were transparent infringements/unfair deals have now been addressed. We now have to stop looking at the past and looking for excuses for failure and allowing victimhood; we have to stop this belief that somehow an indoctrination of Maori culture will fix real problems. For the most part, cultural or religious indoctrination is not relevant to modern living and prosperity, and we need to address/fix the real issues that exist. tino rangatiratanga self-determination is not possible under a collective/a tribe, but it is something we all need to strive for through democracy and to protect our freedoms and individual rights.

[@upp.social2490]

And we have to actually even think about this rather than it being basic comon fact.. What a sad situation we have in NZ. Money is the route of ALL Evil.. & Democracy dies in Darkness.. Maori should be ashamed of destroying 1000s of years of western democracy for money. Gutless National MPs and Western Represtatives just wanting to be seen to be the nice guy. But the next Generations will inherit poverty and misery.

[@22LEKI]

Not even close to being a fair settlement.

[@nomez2230]

The only way to truly rectify the situation is not with money but can only be reached by the return of the land. Im not exactly sure how you achieve this if there are people currently residing on that land but thats the only way to really put it to an end.

[@WeddingDJBusiness]

@@nomez2230 Land at this stage has been protected and safe guarded by an alliance of the western allies. Defending one's land is a prime concern otherwise it will be taken by other countries with bigger armies. This country needs to invest in defense. Just as Maori did in the Musket Wars against other tribes taking land.

[@haydnlovie3855]

​@@WeddingDJBusinessno way

[@torqingheads]

When you are gifted huge amounts of taxpayer's cash as redress for dreamt up historical wrongs and when you pay zero tax it is anything but remarkable.

[@tommcg7564]

Ngati whatua held an estate of 80,000 acres and by the time this man was born they were reduced to a quarter acre cemetery section

[@torqingheads]

@@tommcg7564 Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@tommcg7564]

@@torqingheads you’re profile picture and your name expose your ignorance. In fact it typifies the ill conceived and wicked nature of the white man. For Jesus was brown, with brown eyes, with hair unto that of sheep’s wool. In that sense, you’re whole world is built on a lie, and it seeps through your very pores and exudes from your story like the hateful, deep seated guilt ridden people like you are. Go get help Hesus

[@bettyropiha9281]

@@torqingheads treat others the same way you want to be treated

[@po6g485]

Ahhh explains your recent comment😂😂

[@upp.social2490]

lol