O-Dog Doesn't Exist Fan Theory Reaction | Menace II Society

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Many of you have the same questions about this theory and if you were directed to this comment, your question is answered fully in this video. Although you may have just watched this video for the first time, it's been over three years since we created this fan theory and posted it back in April 2021 (see original video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4ubYnxvmZ12n9E )... We have taken the time to further explain aspects of the theory in this and multiple other multiple videos on the topic that can be found in a playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PL-Ks0xVK7ohVHU4Hjv2UfsmtHLt0zORQn We won't be going back and forth answering the same questions over and over in the comments, as we've already answer them in these videos. It's cool if you don't want to watch the videos with the answers, but just know that this is why we are not responding to your comments. This is a good FAQ video to start with: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKmxoKJuaq5pZ7M We appreciate all of you watching and participating in intelligent dialogue on this theory...

[@brainiac9156]

O-Dog’s real name is Kevin Anderson. The grandfather called him Kevin, when he said, something like, “Kevin, I’ve head stories about you.” You can claim this is how Cain parsed it in him mind, but the grandfather did acknowledge O-Dog, call him by hid government name and speak to him in the presence of Cain.

[@kevinanderson2495]

I was an adult when I found out his name was actually my name lol

[@speedygonzalez1624]

So did the Muslim character

[@piscean7]

❕❕❕👍🏾

[@dionsimpson1848]

Thank you! I've been telling MSN this for a hot second now 👊🏾👊🏾

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Yea, please see the pinned comment. 😊

[@EarsTotheStreetsMedia]

Counter point: Odog is already present and interacting with people at the party Caine and Harold pull up too Sharif and many other characters directly interact with Odog in and out of Caine’s presence He’s physically on the tape of him murdering the Asian couple and he’s showed being locked up for it Caine’s grandad addresses Odog by his real name at the end of the movie They’re not the same people lol, Odog was just an extreme version of outcomes for Caine growing up in that environment

[@ericpurvis]

Thank you

[@DavidLopanjr]

Yeah what he said. Great comment

[@AxiomAmnesia]

I agree with you completely when it comes to the COMMON interpretation of the film. But this is a fan theory and simply restarting the common interpretation doesn't disprove the theory.

[@93_Gato]

@@AxiomAmnesia well said.

[@93_Gato]

I agree also but as @axiomamnesia stated before, this whole movie is told from the perspective of cane, almost as a memoir. So in the theory version of the movie every direct interaction with Odog is basically Cane disassociating from the event. For example: when 2-short (i forget the character name) hands “Odog” the shotgun, Cane is actually scaring himself but he disassociates and remembers it as Odog scaring everyone. Same idea as fight club without the reveal.

[@BeatsByGamer86]

O Dog is the friend you love that refuses to grow, so you gotta respectfully distance yourself to succeed in life.

[@8BallBroadway]

O Dog was only 16 so how mature is he supposed to be realistically.

[@BeatsByGamer86]

@@8BallBroadway you right, i completely forgot about that 💯

[@tavius88]

@@8BallBroadwaythought he was 17

[@GapGod78]

The first thing he says is “half” of the time he’s in school, and the other half he’s selling drugs. So right there shows duality. He’s telling you half the time he’s good and half the time he’s bad.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Yep!

[@GapGod78]

@@ButterCookie1984 thx in the comments in that video, I also caught when they were in the liquor before the murder and Cain and O Dog were talking, a customer walked passed them and looked at therm weird. Like if 1 person was talking to himself

[@isaiahjones2011]

​@@AxiomAmnesiaO dogg was Tyler Durden

[@MaddSweetGT500]

What if he's selling drugs in school?

[@GapGod78]

@@MaddSweetGT500 I’m going by what he says, not what we think

[@walk_er]

The thing I love about fan theories is you can make multiple movies out of just one movie.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Yep!

[@Wideout4]

I counter the whole split personality theory with Caine’s crew are all real life representations of possible outcomes of the decisions he may choose to become both positive and negative.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Okay!

[@tphallana27]

That's a great theory as well. The whole story was told thru "Kaine"

[@johnnysilvercloud4470]

The thing that blows my mind is how Larenz Tate was in the Ink Well which came out a year after Menace (1994, 1993) and he’s a radically different person in that movie, let alone a younger immature kid, versus the grown ass O-Dog. Crazy acting skills.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Yes, his acting was wild in that he could really go back and forth. Of course, that's acting, but so many people are not nearly as good as he is.

[@sunsayidrahsad936]

Odog came from the young character from south central the sitcom

[@johnnysilvercloud4470]

@@StevieBoy215 it’s an EXPRESSION guy. Try not to take words so literal; it’s planet Earth. Relax.

[@FYLife]

@@sunsayidrahsad936south central came after menace. 🤨

[@rowlaanbennett7296]

That’s what you call RANGE! Then a year later he kinda tapped into a little of BOTH personalities in Dead President!

[@sherrylatrice8733]

I love this theory. It made me look at this movie from a whole different perspective. Ya'll did an amazing job backing up your theory with evidence. It all makes sense, especially the part about people never directly addressing O-Dog. I never noticed that until now.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@VoidVirtue]

If You Notice When Cane Is Screaming Crawling To Cover The Kid While Taking Bullets, Its Symbolic To Cane's Innocence Being Injured Trying To Save Himself. Sheriff Was A Guardian Angel And Once He Died Cane's Watch Was Over And The Demon Fully Took Over Only Leaving His Dark Side (O Dog) Alive. Dog Is The God Spelled Backwards.

[@atiashaunbaker3792]

I remember watching this video for the first time and I was like yup ! SUBBED ! and y'all didn't disappoint ! now , the very first scene of the liquor store robbery made this duality fan theory make sense to me . pay close attention to BOTH store clerks , camera angles , and how O-Dogg isnt the direct center of attention. it was Caine the whole time . the only time the clerks directly address O-Dogg is when he's gunning them down . so , this was alter ego Caine enraged ! and a small detail I noticed was Caine's reaction when the male clerk made the remark about a " mother ". the clerk threw out a comment but who was it directed to ??? Caine or O-Dogg ??? and also he said " mother " , not " mothers ". SINGULARITY ! So IMO , I seems as if the clerks was acknowledging ONE entity , not two separate people . Caine stops drinking his brew and O - Dogg flips out . at least on the surface level. but in reality ,Caine is letting O-Dogg take over his body almost like a demonic possession. creepy stuff . and it always seems like O-Dogg just magically appears with little to no back story or a timeline . ALL the other major characters are given a formal introduction or a nature of origin. with O - Dogg, its " young , black , Americas Nightmare". and keyword , NIGHTMARE , as nightmares like dreams aren't REALITY , but the sub conscious of thoughts . so Caine was throwing O-Dogg in our faces the whole time ! O-Dogg was simply a nightmare , not a person , in Caine's mind ..

[@consciouscrazy4502]

“A which one of yall is Caine?” in Eileen cousin voice lol I love this fan theory but it’s easily debunked with scenes like that.. you guys keep it up tho great channel

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We discuss exactly this in the video. It's not easily debunked. 🙂

[@consciouscrazy4502]

@@AxiomAmnesia oh ok I didn’t hear that part, I gotta watch the video again

[@PREEM513]

One more thing when Chauncey talks about turning in the tape he doesn’t mention that O dog is on the tape too. Plus why would chauncey snitch on O dog if he only had beef with Kane. Odog didn’t beat him up, Kane did. Odog is not involved in Chauncey and Kane’s fight.

[@marklouis1890]

Exactly that further the theory along. Great point

[@arttashfilms9816]

Because his problem wasn't with O dog lol. His focus was on Caine getting caught. O dog would just he a casualty

[@CArsonVevo]

No Chauncey didn’t, but Caine’s granddad called him by his government name “Kevin” in the beginning of the movie.

[@PREEM513]

@@marklouis1890 It makes sense right. If he turns in the tape it would show Kane didn't do the shooting. O dog did. But Kane would be in trouble because him and O dog are the same.

[@WOE601]

What about when o dog shot the crack head. And took this cheeseburgers cane aint in that scene just wax and his girl 😅 o dog and caine are two different ppl yall tweakin😂

[@condorgaming4000]

You guys were reaching so hard with the credits part. It clearly says O Doggs name is Kevin in the credits. The mental gymnastics you guys used to not accept that is wild

[@AxiomAmnesia]

So you think that blows the entire theory? 🤔😂🤷🏾‍♀️

[@condorgaming4000]

@@AxiomAmnesia no there were good points made. That wasn't one of them though

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Win some and lose some. 😆

[@vanp2050]

Here, how to dead this fan theory, the Hughes brothers said they created the character (he is an actual person/character) to make Caine not seem as bad and that they rewrote parts of the movie because they had Caine coming off as being too. Plus other characters are actual enter acting with him

[@AxiomAmnesia]

@vanp2050 We have never claimed that our fan theory is what the filmmakers intended. While it would be interesting if they said they did intend this, the most important thing is that this is a FAN theory... emphasis on the "fan". So what they may or may not say really doesn't change the idea in and of itself. My question is why people are so dead set on trying to disprove a fan theory.... What are people not free to have whatever interpretation of the film they choose?

[@CedricGreenwood]

O Dog was not Kane's alter ego at all they're kindred spirits with different personalities. Everyone has that one friend that's a livewire a loose cannon and a bad influence all in one. The movie shows a spectrum of personalities between different friends who are a part of the same circle.

[@haitianprincess215]

I Loooove this theory. You two are so talented with these types of videos. I even shared this video with my brother moments ago. Great job, as always.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thanks for sharing!!

[@jeremyreed4951]

I really would love for this theory to be true for the simple fact that FIGHT CLUB is held in such high regard and has the whole "THE NARRARATOR" & TYLER DURDEN similarity and MENACE came out way before it. For the writers and directors to be able to say we did it first especially when our movies don't get the credit and mainstream attention they deserve it further cements our greatness. Same way you guys aren't getting the credit for the genesis of the theory, credit needs to be given where and when it's due. Also, the fact that you guys do engage with the fans/comments is awesome. Thank you for taking the time to interact with us.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

I love the idea that maybe it could have been preconceived by the writers/directors. Nevertheless, we believe that our films deserve examination and discourse just like more mainstream films. Thanks for watching! We appreciate you!

[@RandyJ1219]

No Dog. I love it! Thank you both for making us think when it comes to breaking down these movies. Good day to you.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Hey Randy and thanks for your support of the channel! 😊

[@iamdrae]

I love this channel and the fan theories 🔥🤞🏾✊🏾 I love that we can nerd out over our own movies 😂

[@AxiomAmnesia]

This part!!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@carlithatrammell3023]

I had to come back because I just saw the cover art for this movie on Tubi. It’s both Kane & Odog, with Odog standing behind Kane’s left side, almost to be the devil on his shoulder!

[@damianstarks3338]

This is an interesting theory thanks for bringing this back to my attention happy Friday to you both. I saw this classic 90s hood movie a lot as a kid I miss the 90s my childhood.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Happy Friday and thanks for hanging with us! 😁

[@bartknowlton5510]

I akways thought they ignored O Dogg because he was so annoying. Now i know yall are correct . Nobody physically interact with him but Caine

[@HighwayMerc]

What about when they in the car about to go get the dudes for shooting his cousin and all 3 of them are smoking and he says "Both of yawl acting like sum bitche$"

[@thebooster2062]

​@@HighwayMercmaybe he so bad , he can SEE Kane's alter ego 🤷🏾‍♀️😂

[@rodb66]

I get what you're saying because I can't remember MC Eights character addressing him.

[@FYLife]

Man WHAT

[@bsimpson2288]

What about when O pointed the shotgun at the homies at Chauncey’s house. “This what the police use”

[@ladygemini5967]

I absolutely love this channel, the breakdown is immaculate

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Much appreciated! ❤️❤️❤️

[@marquishaile8]

You should do a breakdown of the movie fresh or thin line between love and hate. Great O-Dog theory!

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thanks a lot. We have these planned!

[@marquishaile8]

@AxiomAmnesia if you don't want a virtual war zone in the comment section, don't do Jungle Fever lol jk

[@brandonfouts4074]

Super interesting concept, well put together, I subscribed and looking forward to more.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

There are more theories here: kzbin.info/aero/PL-Ks0xVK7ohUliL6SRMHWgw5m-1unPE6s

[@chanellbryson3588]

"Somebody already covered this" yeah y'all did LOL You guys make me go back and rewatch a movie I've seen a million times with a new outlook just incase I missed something after watching your videos so I hope y'all continue to make fan theory videos 👍🏼

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We will!

[@blacknbougie8021]

I swear this channel could do nothing but fan theories & I'd still tune in. Queen N Slim is not only y'all's best theory, it's the best fan theory I've ever heard😃i love it here❤🎬📺❤

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We love having you here!!! So glad you love the theories! ❤️❤️❤️

[@93_Gato]

It also says alot that y’all take the time to reply to so many comments. One of my favorite channels.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

@93_Gato Thanks so much! I'm a month late, but we really do try to interact and have thoughtful discussions as much as possible. 😊

[@93_Gato]

@@AxiomAmnesia we appreciate it!

[@PGHDude]

I hate that I get your notifications late, but I always love your videos! I think I said this in your first video on this topic; This conversation really changes how I observe and absorb this film. I think his name is Kevin,Caine is his nickname as in Kaine from the Bible. I think O-Dog is the “Caine” persona. Furthermore, I believe Caine grandparents may even have given him their last name. Or if Caine’s parents were never married, he may have his mother’s last name which starts with a D.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

❤️❤️❤️

[@kggresham]

If Cain and Dog were one and the same, and if Dog/Cain survived all the way throughout, then who saved the boy at the end of the movie? Or was the boy not really in imminent danger/line of fire from the crips?

[@AxiomAmnesia]

The Caine personality saved the boy.

[@kggresham]

@@AxiomAmnesia how can one aspect of a dual "personality" save a person from being shot, all the while using his own body as a shield but the other personality doesn't sustain any injuries whatsoever?

[@AxiomAmnesia]

The way I see it, Caine's death in this scene was figurative in the sense that the Caine personality does not survive. He may or may not have sustained any injuries in reality (according to this theory), but the important part here is that the Caine personality loses the battle and O-Dog takes over after the attempted shooting. Did you ever see Baby Boy and the scene where Jody thinks he's been shot, but it's not real and he didn't sustain any injuries--despite us seeing him dead after the shooting. We're walking the line between reality and the confused mind of the character...

[@MrCoolcnwk]

I’m all in! I acknowledge alternative universes, reading into movies and theories deeper than just what’s being shown, and having your own interpretation. Many things line up. And for some things that don’t, that’s just how movies, films, and even life goes sometimes. Maybe the Hughes brothers subconsciously did it this way. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Magnus_VII]

Good theory, and this is a possible way to look at the film. Originally I believe O-Dog and Shareef are the two extremes of opposing personalities. It is def an example of the Angel n Devil on the shoulder

[@PREEM513]

Have the Hughes brothers ever responded to this fan theory? It’s pretty good theory. It’s all there if you really watch the movie.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

I'm not aware of it, but since it's a fan theory, can they determine if it's plausible or not? 🤔

[@PREEM513]

@@AxiomAmnesiaI think you guys dissected this theory so well that maybe it could be canon. It could have been a part of the movie no one noticed until you guys broke it down.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

❤️❤️❤️

[@samanthaenfiedjian7354]

I’m 54 years old and use to live 5 minutes away from MLK hospital that was in the movie. I knew personally associates (boyfriend) who worked ( rapper) and hung out with MC Eight. Every location in the movie, I was there. Because it was my life then in my youth, I would not have imagined how gritty and unpredictable it looks today on screen or even depicted in this video. WOW… However, great work guys on the analysis of the multiple scenarios of the different characters. It's not far fetched on the REALITY of mental illness in some of LA’s disadvantage neighborhoods and its inhabitants during those times AND…current events. I CURRENTLY KNOW family members and associates today struggling with these conditions mental illness/drugs as a result of the “War on Drugs” program in the 80’s and 90’s😢 Continue creating intelligent and thoughtful content, however, don’t forget about how real “ systemic war” can destroy two generations of a people. I want to believe that's what the Hughes brothers originally wanted to showcase as a cautionary tale.😊

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. We love the original interpretation of the film and we appreciate it as the definitive record. This fan theory is simply another way to look at it. ❤️

[@VangLoisy]

No dog😂 Hey, are you guys on the east coast? Just wondering if you've ever been to Blerdcon.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We live in Texas and we havent been to Blerdcon. Should we go?

[@VangLoisy]

It would be great to see you two as panelists, but going just for the vibe is great, too.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We will look into it!

[@lewjones3]

What up Heit.. seems like I haven't seen ur videos pop up. Good to see y'all . And ask ya girl if she got a friend she can plug me wit 😂

[@jijimoore6120]

I stumbled across your page from your Eve's Bayou review I think it was. I love it here. Love how y'all think, how you come up and explain your theories. I love how you are able to look outside the box for other potential endings and possibilities of these black movies. No one does it like y'all period. Oh No-Dog

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thank you so much for your kind words. It makes us feel so good when we know that folks like you get us and what we're trying to do here! We appreciate you so much! ❤️❤️❤️

[@SoldiersAttic]

Hello from Hawaii. I watched this when you originally posted it. Now, in April 2024, I have a new theory. What if Kane was suffering from bipolar- schizophrenia and he was incarcerated, and he tell his story, or writing a autobiography and while doing so 🤔, He has to wrestle with his ego and true emotions. This emotional perspective, he then battles with romanticizing his story, or truly make a difference in saving the possible reader from making the same mistakes he did. So he's now attoning, and the reality of his affects has been rewarded either with a life sentence😢 for what he did in comparison to what he lost. After being transparent with himself, he took ownership of emotion. It was at the time that he was able to finally answer the one question that had haunted life. He wanted to live even though his life was not under his control. Because now he's taking medicine, so now he has clarity. "NoDog."

[@AxiomAmnesia]

That's an interesting idea. It reminds me of Krazy K's story from Tales From The Hood a little bit!

[@4nthemorning]

So who was mc eiht talking to when they went to go ride for Harold? He clearly says BOTH of y'all tripping.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We discussed exactly this in the video. Maybe you haven't gotten to that part yet. 😊

[@Misscarter86]

This is what I kept telling people that O Dog was Kane's alter ego that's why his grandpa told the scriptures he felt a evil presence

[@LavendreeDumas]

I just said the same thing

[@teet3435]

No Dog: I have recently heard of this theory going around and it made me pause and go back to rewatch the film. I can see how this theory could have been made however there are so many scenes through out the film that in my opinion show Kane and O-Dog are two completely separate people.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Which scenes? Let's discuss! 😁

[@teet3435]

In one of the scenes there is a wanted poster that shows Caine and O-dog's faces. Ronnie hands O-Dog a moving box and tells him to go outside so she can talk to Caine alone. (Who was she handing the box to?) At the grandparents house O-dog knocks on the door and Caine lets him in. The grandfather acknowledged Kevin (O-dog) with a slight nod when Kevin said hi and the grandmother then dismisses herself. O-dog was at the table playing cards with the group and handed Caine the gun. When Caine entered the party with Harold and Caine was narrating the scene and introducing the audience to the group. Shareef is alteady talking to O-dog when Caine enters the scene. O-dog was in the car with the friends interacting with them while Caine was in a different car with Harold. I think O-dog was just that one friend who encouraged and influenced Caine to do criminal stuff. O-dog was simply a product of his environment and had no desire to "be good". O-dog was the menance to the society.

[@paimei1651]

@@teet3435 The theory is that the film is from the perspective of Caine, meaning you can't trust what you see on the screen because you are seeing the events through Caine's eyes (which may be psychologically compromised).

[@AxiomAmnesia]

@paimei1651 This is the thing I wish people really understood before their objections.

[@paimei1651]

@@AxiomAmnesia It's a deep concept, I understand that some people may not be able to wrap their mind around it. Also, I think some are commenting without watching the full video were you explain it. I never fleshed it out scene by scene like you guys did, but I also have thought about O-Dogg being Caine's alter ego or a split personality. Chauncey turning in the murder tape without worrying about the psychopath O-Dogg was always weird to me.

[@gothamqm]

NO DOGG. That's what people fail to realize, it's in the title of the video, FAN THEORY! Even though I disagree with some of the points y'all made, even in this rebuttal video, I appreciate the content you & other movie review creators put out on a consistent basis 👍👍.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thanks so much fr "gettin it".... It's totally fine if we disagree, but some of the stuff we encounter is just crazy.

[@gothamqm]

@@AxiomAmnesia No problem. I think people just troll you & other content creators' videos for the sake of trolling smh. Btw, I hope that you can get around to doing a breakdown of "Four Brothers".

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Oh we should do that film!

[@Lifeofaweirdunicorn]

when I look at this now then from the first time I seen it I believe it but it kinda crushes me because I really thought he was a person and I will say great theory keep up the good work!

[@kareemali1742]

No dog! You guys are really fascinating and I enjoy your point of view on films. There’s nothing wrong with looking at films in different ways and wondering what if. Also I’m new to the channel, are you guys a couple?

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thanks so much and welcome to the channel. Yes,. we're a couple! 😊

[@kareemali1742]

@@AxiomAmnesia awesome. Can you please do a breakdown of colors 1988?

[@AxiomAmnesia]

I love that movie!

[@kareemali1742]

@@AxiomAmnesia great movie, was originally supposed to be focused on drugs in Chicago, but as you know it ended up being a gang movie in LA

[@Centerpiece6]

Love the theory!! This was really good 🔥

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@dardenel1705]

I am binging these videos. You all are amazing at reviewing films, doing break downs and fan theories. LOVE your work and the effort put into these. Most importantly, I appreciate these reviews on “black” movies. Finally, something for us!!! Even if it’s not a “black” movie,..I appreciate your perspective…like in leave the world behind.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

This means so much to us! ❤️❤️❤️

[@tonitonytone1044]

New subbie here 🤚🏾 😁 I love this theory. If one understands that this is CAINE'S story, narrated by Caine who allegedly has a mental dual persona, so when telling his story, of course he is going to speak of O Dog as a 2nd entity, when story telling, then there is no questions of why? 🤭 just my take! I love ya'll ❤️ keep up the good work the community appreciates it and so do I❤

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thank you so much! It seems so easy to understand that I don't know why some people have difficulty with it. We appreciate you "getting" us! ❤️❤️❤️

[@marklouis1890]

These discussions add to the film, it doesn't subtract

[@AxiomAmnesia]

I totally agree!

[@Gullydr]

when I saw this the 1st time, you two broke my brain. Some with Boyz in the Hood. Hope you are well. J

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Hey J! We're great and ope you are well too! Thanks so much for sticking with us! 😊

[@jordanwood183]

I can dig it. This is kinda like Fight Club, how the Brad Pitt Tyler Durden character doesn’t exist outside the mind of the character Edward Norton portrayed. Even if the Hughes Brothers didn’t intentionally create Menace To Society with O-Dogg as an imaginary character, it’s still interesting to view it through that type of lens & watch M2S with this theory in mind.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

What's crazy is that I hadn't seen Fight Club until the folks in the comments kept mentioning it. That was a great movie!

[@Mrclutchjcb]

It would b a solid theory...but the fact other ppl acknowledged Odog n Kane at the same time let's u know he's real n they are clearly two different ppl...plenty of scenes squashes this theory

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Check the pinned link in the comments and also consider that we actually addressed your comment specifically in the video. Let me know what you think after you watch. 😊

[@thahomiesandme599]

lol i still think its crazy but i will say you had some very valid points. i loved this movie since it first came out, you guys did it justice amazing content i subbed str8 like dat!

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Welcome! 😊

[@zeezzydaking6899]

I cant believe i been wit yall 3 yrs yall the goats n i tell everybody yall the ogs of this theory i love yall work

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thanks!

[@ZaziTheBeastYT]

it is strange that they both have names that start with the letter K and his name is supposed to be KayDee but o-dogg's real name in the movie is kevin anderson so possibly it's like a nickname as well for caine Kay Dogg? but don't even know what the "o" stands for...when I first watched the movie caine was the innocent type of person but yet he would do some crazy stuff sometimes like when he robbed the guy and asked for a cheeseburger then o-dogg killed a guy asking him he'll give him a favor for a cheeseburger lol weird coincidence but definitely think that if the theory is real the devil was starting to take over caine fully once he started killing then their is the conversation between wax, o-dogg and caine when they're in the car wax never looks back at caine or even offers him some smoke so very interesting take and theory, I do like the idea of o-dogg just being his alter ego though

[@FYLife]

So his alter ego comes to his grandparents house to pick him up? Yall slow

[@ZaziTheBeastYT]

@@FYLife did you watch the video? they explained that part... seems like you're the slow one

[@AxiomAmnesia]

@ZaziTheBeastYT It's always the people who haven't even listened to the theory who've got the nerve to call somebody slow. 😂Anyways... one thing is there are so many of these types of "coincidences" in the film that it allows the theory to be plausible.

[@tiapear1]

I never looked at this movie in this way. But when you think about the way the story was told by the main character, it makes perfect sense. Look at what is happening with some of the people in the entertainment business. Beyonce has an alter ego named Sasha Fierce. In private she is Beyonce and when she gets on that stage she is Sasha. A lot of us have a duality personality or a disassociative identity disorder. A person with DID expresses significant differences between these alternate identities, which can also be referred to as alters. Often, these personalities are completely different from each other. These fragmented personalities take control of the person’s identity for some time. When you break down Cain and O-Dog, I can see it as plain as day. I was looking at it as a regular movie. The title itself lets you know there is a duality, "Menace II Society." Thanks for your fan theory content. I love your videos.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@Neko4president]

The Jason lyric theory I felt like you both were spot on. Had me in shock and impressed on how good and thought out it was I banged that subscribe button. Now this one I feel it’s a reach. Yes you did point out solid evidence to back up your theory, BUT the movie has to many parts showing dog and Cain as two different people. In the scene with the grandparents, the grandfather said “you boys come sit down” I can point out more but this comment is already an essay. All and all good vid and channel I will def tune in for more

[@AxiomAmnesia]

With this theory, you gotta remember who is telling the story. Cain is a flawed narrator, so all we see is his interpretation of reality, not what is necessarily reality. This is the crux of the theory. Cain sees them as two different people, so he tells the story with them as two different people, even though they're the same person (according to this theory).

[@thedarkprince1987]

One of my theories is that A-Wax and Ronny were like those little Devil and Angel on Kane shoulders. Every time O-Dog is with A-Wax, he becomes more of a savage, and every time Kane is with Ronny, he wants to do good.

[@donjuan3793]

Wassup guys back again I think I commented the first time when y'all brought this up this no way that o dog was not real it's too many scenes where it was clearly he was his own person

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Hey there! Hopefully you consider what we have said in this and many other videos. We discussed this many times...

[@donjuan3793]

​@@AxiomAmnesiaOne more thing I wanted to say is on y'all theory the perfect movie for that was Lila&eve now Viola davis really thought j low was there the whole time only to find it was her doing it by herself but they acknowledged it in the movie

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Oh yeah, Lila & Eve was great! I didn't even suspect it until the big reveal!

[@mikhailcrawford1165]

Solid fan theory!! but the only thing that hard counters this theory is the physical aspect. When Caine(O-Dog) went to go kill the guys who killed Harold, how is it physically possible that one person can hold a shotgun with 2 hands kill a guy than switch to a hand gun shooting the other guy in the back. But he didnt drop the shotgun during the murder. Plus we can conclude that both guys was armed and dangerous. Caine(O-Dog) would have likely died trying to kill 2 guys with 2 different guns

[@EVUUL]

Im at 37:32 so i don't know if you guys brought it up yet but what about when chauncy was talking about turning the tape in to the police, he never mentioned o dog getting caught up from it. 40:47 of course yall wouldn't miss anything😂

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@tphallana27]

This is a very interesting video. I never thought of this but it did vaguely occur to me. I had questions about Kaine's real name, we never knew it. Why Sharif answered Odog like that after Harold was shot, the way the scenes were shot. In some instances we knew Odog was there but didn't see him in certain frames. P.S : Don't be a menace implied this when Marlon was shooting at the store, the lady got hit & he said he didn't do that and dwight guy showed up

[@tiffanyk.8473]

ODog was the 90's version of the Tap Dance man from Them. Whether a alternate ego, ghost or live being - he was the Tap Dance Man. I think we all encounter one at some point in our experiences.

[@lemonfresh8396]

Great video you guys! You guys opened and blew my mind, it was crazy. This theory is fucken awesome. Thank you for a good time.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

You're welcome and please check out some of our other fan theories linked in the description this video. ❤️

[@Iamsmooth1]

We know these were two separate ppl, but it’s more interesting to think they are the same just for the giggles. Prints wasn’t introduced till the 1990 this movie came out in 93 but was set before 90s

[@livelovelifeyall]

This theory is very interesting and I like it in most instances because it shows both the good and bad side of the hood. This is why it’s so difficult for guys (and girls) to break free. Now there is a lone in the movie that contradicts your fan theory that I will point out as a rebuttal exercise of sorts 😂 so when Kane, Odog and Awax kills the guys who shot Cane’s cousin Harold, Cane returns home and reflects on how killing those fools made him realize he had the capacity to kill someone and that killing them didn’t make him feel better. If Cane and Odog were one in the same Cane would have already experienced killing from the robbery at the beginning of the film hence there would be no reason for him to have made the statement about killing after the revenge murders he committed with Odog and Awax. Just a thought but keep up the good work on these theories as they are really interesting👏🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@suavet91]

The entire intro im like where did they find that “straight up menace” flip you smoked that interpolation

[@AxiomAmnesia]

😊 Heit is talented

[@BiGBL9CK]

I believe this theory is true too because the movie is titled Menace II (2) Society. As in two different personalities in one person. And this is only version of this movie no prequels or sequels.

[@cabbitness1983]

Side note: I firmly believe KENNY from soul food is the villain (though max is a cohort of his). Think about all their ages and his reaction when the sisters are literally beating each other in the street OVER HIM. However, everyone in that movie was wrong, including big mama. But that's my theory on it lol.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We actually should talk more about that film! 😁

[@cabbitness1983]

@@AxiomAmnesia i really hope you do. Heck, I would love to help you with it because I've been on a tangent with friends about it lately (because I love the movie so much, but seeing it now I realize how super toxic that whole family was).

[@marklouis1890]

I've never thought of Kenny as a villain He was dead wrong for cheating on Teri with her sister but aside from that he seems like a good father and an okay guy aside from his infidelity. In the TV series his character has some serious homophobic hang ups and has an anger issue but I like the actor who portrays him in the series better than the movie. The Soul Food TV series is very underrated

[@marklouis1890]

I consider Bird's ex boyfriend Samuel a villain

[@cabbitness1983]

@@marklouis1890 oh simuel definitely was, and Kenny redeemed himself. But, my friend, entertain my musings for a minute on this one: think back to when they introduce max, terri, and Kenny. Let's assume all of them were in high school (though we can also question if Kenny was early college too). Let's also assume Teri and Kenny were about 17-18 and max was about 15-16. Again, we're not told their ages but I do think Ahmad mentions high school. Terri was dating Kenny until that moment where max falls at the skating rink and #love. Now up to that point, nothing really massively wrong. But... then Terri catches them making out in his car; we don't know how long max and kenny have been up to no good. At this point, they're both wrong, but this set in motion Terri's break in trust, ironically starting her villain story. And based on what we're shown, there was no apology from either party (max kind of does, but that's when she was caught). Kenny and max keep dating right in front of Terri, have kids and get married very quickly. AND during the moment they got caught, Kenny was full on LAUGHING watching the sisters relationship crumble on top of not helping/stopping what was going on. So while he may have gotten better later, his intro was villainous. But to be fair, I honestly did like Kenny. This is just a theory on how his actions did alter Terri's life and it wasn't just solely on max (something i notice people don't tend to mention).

[@rCflyVision]

I like the theory, it makes me look at the movie different. I’m bout to check out your other videos. 💪🏿💯

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Welcome aboard!

[@rCflyVision]

@@AxiomAmnesia thank you 💯

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@tariqgardner5463]

if anything i think that fan theories like yours enhance the experience of the lore and storytelling thank yall!

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@shaquilleanderson1887]

Also notice O Dog’s shooting back at the car is unsuccessful and he can’t go get Cain help because he’s dying as well

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Listen!!!!

[@casonbrown6239]

NO DOG well as usual you guys are always bringing out great points and I definitely thought I was the only one who noticed the whole meme stealing thing 😂😂 and people claiming they made the meme 🤣 but anyway great explanation of the fan theory and it makes even more sense now in this video about the Kain and O-Dog fan theory and one last thing you guys are always humble informative and hilarious thanks for your content

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Thank you for understanding us! 😊

[@Risha-Rene]

I know what I’m watching tonight. Thanks for giving me a different perspective

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@cremebrulee_7982]

I think the most substantial support of the theory is the point about Chauncey saying Kaine will be sorry when he mails the tape to the police, because considering O-dog was the one who supposedly shot the owner and even would provide proof that Kaine is not the shooter, why was Chauncey convinced that the tape would do Kaine in? At most, the video, if how Kaine presented it is reality, puts him as an accessory, sure, but not guilty of murder...because O-Dog shot the owners, not Kaine... unless, as you say, O-Dog doesn't exist and it's just Kaine on the tape. Chauncey doesn't mention O-Dog at all when talking about the tape, and O-Dog was the 'star' of the tape and also just sat around while he was getting pistol-whipped... Chauncey being hyper-focused on Kaine might mean that Kaine is the only one in the video.

[@fdub301]

I’ve always had this weird feeling about this movie & this video just made a lot of what happens here make sense.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@blackmagicwarriordjozrnetr8793]

I love y'all y'all do a great job I am curious if y'all have ever been students Bobby Hemet or Brotha Panic they are teachers of Esoteric Metaphysical knowledge and decoding movies is one of the skills they teach

[@AxiomAmnesia]

No, we've never been students of either of them. Someone mentioned Brotha Panic a while back, but we're not familiar with either of them. This is just us talking, thinking, and using our imaginations. 😊

[@lamewjosephchavis8708]

Sounds like the Tyler Durden Paradox... I you can do this to any dual role movies (Goku/Vegeta, Naruto/Sasuke, Tre/Doughboy) Menace 2 Society is that entricate enough to support your theories.

[@dionhammond8700]

That’s fact about the gun switch. I noticed that YEARS ago and never would’ve thought about a personality disorder

[@ZaziTheBeastYT]

I wish they had written more into sharif and what he did before he became religious and a better person.. I know that's what tupac wanted when he was offered the part obviously we know he got in a fight with the director and that never happened.

[@bysvgs]

in my opinion i think all the real life people that starred in this movie embodied the characters really good, i just can’t see Tupac in this movie at all i know that it was said he was suppose to be the male lead role in ‘Baby Boy’ which i can’t see him being in that neither, ‘Poetic Justice’ he definitely embodied that and ‘Juice’ but this is a good fan theory of O-Dogg not existing in the movie an just being Cane’s alter ego if this narrative is true that would mean we as viewers will have to view this through Cane’s perspective but it’s a scene of Jada Pinkett telling Cane that she doesn’t want her son to be like O-Dogg which debunks the theory

[@TheTwash54]

I actually like the theory and it does makes more sense of an alter ego or personality disorder because only child can make up best friends and trauma will have that other personality be a protective figure. I mean everyone Kane lost acted like ODogg thanks for the video 😊❤

[@starlaks588]

I love your review! How epic. I've watched this movie a million times and never thought of that concept 💡. Very interesting. Just sub

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@FTWLtube]

Straight Up Menace recreation is 👌🏾. Nice touch.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@marlonscott2942]

So what about the murder scene

[@whymindsetmatters]

A guy on KZbin did a video of all of the locations for this movie. Pretty incredible. Even the chicken shack is still there though its been abandoned and closed down.

[@LatashaCarter]

I always thought why would his parents name him Caine....always thought his name was Kevin. This makes a lot of sense. Caine makes sense as a nickname. O Dog is his self nickname. This is his elevation to O Dog.

[@jamerejackson3233]

ALMOST everytime Caine does something crazy , O’dog right there with it 😐

[@TheStormWithoutaName]

I’ve seen this movie a million and one times since a kid…. I luv this perspective and knowing the movie word for word I kno that this is all plausible. Great job…. As a side note: Wackz was a OG, u don’t think he knew that Caine was “throwed” and talking to him from both the front and back seat at the same time?🤔 That means u ain’t never rode in that car✌🏾

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@blackmagicwarriordjozrnetr8793]

What if KD is because Cain is spelled with a K Kain and his last name starts with a D ... Kains parents and grandparents call him Kain I think KD is the nick name Kain is the real mane

[@MaddSweetGT500]

O-Dog shot the crack head and took his cheeseburgers... And Cain jacks that dude for his daytons in the drive thru of a burger joint, and he places his order "i said with cheese!" ... The cheeseburgers hold the key to this mystery.

[@carlithatrammell3023]

Even if we take the title of the movie alone, Menace II Society and ask, who was the real menace? O Dog was a true menace but the movie is about Kane? It’s also crazy with this theory that they use the Roman number two in the middle instead of the actual word. Yeah, the movie was definitely about both parties being one!

[@djaayofficial]

To the commenters : A theory is that , A THEORY ! It doesn’t make it true but it’s food for thought and allows us creatives to live in open minded world . Don’t take it so literal !!!! I HONESTLY LOVE THIS THEORY BECAUSE whether ODog exists or not , HE LITERALLY IS KANES DEVIL ON THE LEFT SHOULDER ! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@cleakavanaft1903]

I his name is Kevin Anderson, then why is his name O-Dogg??? Where the O come from???

[@NSMDeeBO]

I heard this theory... Then I remember Kanes grandfather calling Kane AND Kevin's(O Dog) names.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

Discussed exactly this in the video.

[@NSMDeeBO]

@@AxiomAmnesia I'm hip!! Just had to get it out my system before I heard the whole vid 🤣🤣💯

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@johnallenbailey1103]

The fact this theory exists, is a testament to intelligence from yall. It's dope.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@CArsonVevo]

First of all I love that yall did this to get the conversation started about a cult classic. However the push back I give on this fan theory is that Caine’s grandfather called O Dog Kevin, his government name. This and the conversation they had thus after shows O Dog was a real character in the movie.

[@AxiomAmnesia]

What about how we explained exactly this in the video though? We told you exactly why he called him Kevin.

[@CArsonVevo]

@@AxiomAmnesia Is that the same reason Shareef called him Kevin? Also we saw the police looking for 2 different suspects for the robbery?

[@ladybast4071]

At tge end Kane was the one tht was taking out / o dogg did not get shot. So sheriff was always trying to talk to Kevin ( his higher self ) odd was always taking to Kane his lower self

[@juanwoodruff6202]

Love the content and the subject matter. One of my childhood movies growing up. This is not a serious rebuttal just a thought to consider, playing devils advocate so to speak. You pose an interesting theory and your argument is sound. One Scene shows two individuals rather than a split of mind. The scene with A-Wax, O dawg and Cain in the alley with the crackhead. Wax was with Cain talking while O dawg was with the crackhead. Two conversations going on, hard to do if it’s one person. Maybe you have a good explanation for this if so using your theory I would like to hear it. Great work though!

[@AxiomAmnesia]

We touched on this in the video. Basically, time may not be exactly linear from the perspective of a person with two personalities... So in that scene in reality, Caine interacted with both people at separate times, but when he retells the story in the film, he places them all together in that same scene talking at the same time.

[@juanwoodruff6202]

@@AxiomAmnesia got you. Thanks.

[@blackpoloo715]

I can see this And I remember your video was first

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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[@SkitzDaBIGHOMIE]

So ya’ll are saying everyone who was interacting with O-Dog while both of them were there was crazy and seeing the same imaginary friend???

[@AxiomAmnesia]

No. We are saying what we said in the video. Did you watch? It has to do with the unreliable narrator. See the pinned comment above for more on this. 😊

[@davidburl9871]

What I believe they are theorizing is...most of what we see and hear is what Caine THINKS he is seeing and hearing. Caine is the only one who sees O Dog. He sees him as real. Thus, Caine narrates and guides US thru the story from HIS warped perspective of "O Dog" actually existing and interacting with people. Fundamentally...we, the observers are passengers and active witnesses within his delusion. We are seeing and hearing what NOONE else is hearing EXCEPT for Caine effectively allowing US to believe that O Dog exists. Nevertheless...I DO believe that O Dog exists within the film... BUT...😁 This theory and the explanation breakdown is COLD BLOODED!! I enjoyed listening to the reasoning behind each point. Aight...peace n stuff. Almost forgot! NO DOG

[@AxiomAmnesia]

"I DO believe that O Dog exists within the film"

[@davidburl9871]

@AxiomAmnesia I gathered that y'all did. I wonder why some don't seem to listen to your disclaimers and the point of your theory videos. Some seem to think that your theories are gospel, in your eyes- despite the fact that you state the opposite. I rather enjoy the exploration of alternate possibilities. You guys are great to listen to

[@calvinwoolfolk324]

It kinda crazy when I first watched this movie back in the day I kinda feel like cane n odog was like the same person by the way they hang together because at the time people especially black folks when bragging about how o dog was a bad ass n everything but the directors of the movie well the huges brothers say that cane supposed to be badder than o dog but they didn’t really say they was the same people but they kinda hint that they was connected somehow so maybe they just wanted to make it look like a regular hood movie to make it look real so you wouldn’t think any fantasy stuff about it I guess but there is a movie on Tubi called cherry n it almost like menace to society but a female version of it n plus the girl in the movie have a imaginary friend that tell her to do bad stuff almost like y’all say about kane n o dog so maybe y’all theory is right because it been done in other movies too especially fight club n other stuff🙏❤️😂😎

[@tycengreen999]

yall blew my mind with this one

[@AxiomAmnesia]

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