O.U.R. "GAMBLERZ VS JINJO" - 2012 R16 Korea Eliminations - Finals

[@SoloCap-Music]

2:26 when Vero picked up the hat and put it on, it was over

[@BboyDonku52]

True, Nobody else can do his sets, but think about like this. how often do you see him do the same combos? example every time you see him jackhammer whats going to follow? either airflares of flares. Originality is about bringing something new and fresh to the table not just repeating the same moves you been doing for years...

[@adrynori]

lil john, again and again

[@s_pick420]

IMO this is the best performance I've seen for Jinjo. Ironic cuz Wing isn't here. Hong10 definitely allowed Jinjo to pull off more stuff. That sidechair routine was sick...

[@animiefansHQ]

When The End got a 2 for originality on his set.. that's when you know the judging is god awful

[@Enforcer901]

ho9ly shit 8:25 is like one of the best routines ive seen. that timing man...

[@ngajakribut]

The best bboy in korea : 2000 - 2005 Gambler Crew, 2006 - 2010 Rivers Crew, 2011 - Until now is Jinjo Crew .. :)

[@pragyankaji8380]

korean ninja is best bboy vero

[@zealsmr]

gamblerz foundations 1 ? which are the qualities ?

[@bboyariel1]

a lot of these comments have circulated around lil jon's judging, and some of the questionable calls he made that night. This is great. It proves the OUR system works, because it allows u to pick out one judge and see what he chose each round and allows us to examine whether his assessment was accurate. Regardless of whether lil jon made the right calls that night, the OUR system gives us the power to see who is capable of judging and who isnt.

[@iST0N3D]

A practitioner of this dance is called a b-boy, b-girl, or breaker. Although the term "breakdance" is frequently used to refer to the dance, "b-boying" and "breaking" are the original terms. These terms are preferred by the majority of the pioneers and most notable practitioners

[@bboyyogurtify]

Wtf with foundation judge？

[@sn299]

it is so good to see gamblerz bak and at it after all those months

[@Bb0yLilTh0M]

Absolutely agree with you there...big respect to this comment !!!

[@R16KOREA]

Points are given out by quality, not quantity. Yes a routine could attain high points, and the following solo can waste moves or do nothing to improve the score. Same can be said vice versa with a good solo can score high, and a following routine can actually bring it down

[@ConsciousBreaks]

I kind of agree with you, but that also goes into the Battle category, theoretically. Some people suggested a 1-10 scale to more accurately reflect it, but I think that's a bit too high.

[@newflavorteam]

Totally agree, thats what exactly i wonder what if someone come up with a better and harder round than a "5 points" round ?

[@bangbang12993]

확실히 시간이 되서 그런가 ㅋㅋ 젊으니까 더 잘 한다

[@uveress]

You do realize this system is still incomplete? They are still working out all the kinks and bugs such that it may include any and all styles of the dance.

[@Mixedbyjojo355]

this system is good as long as the bboying is goin further in difficulties and styles...so we can judge the same powermove or footwork etc but takin notes to its precision and form

[@AlexDanceAdi]

yeah i just noticed that too, he wasn't part of them before right?

[@NyctNyct]

Gamblers were getting a lot of 1's for foundation. That felt right seeing as Sick and The End weren't doing foundation. However that bugs me as I remembered how last year during the R16 solos BBoys like Taisuke did just as little foundation and was getting 3s. I also have a question. Are the points given out on amount or quality? Strictly speaking a routine could attain high points and the solo following the routine would just waste moves and do nothing to little to improve the points.

[@Bboypixelfrombr]

Great way to judge loved it

[@burenproductions]

Yeah that's fine. I always have respected the old school and I love it. I have always thought that we have to be gratefull with them, because now that the new generation we have is because they worked hard in their moment(I have been actually dancing for 7 years old). But the question is that everything changes, time change things I'm still thinking is not a fair system at all.

[@bboylivid]

amazing battle

[@leoris87]

I was wondering why Strife TV didn't put up videos, but I see that they are officially covering this event. From other vids I saw Mis Lee working the camera at this angle.

[@enochsuplee]

Bboying isn't even about only one aspect of the dance. It's about the bigger picture and in the past, battles were judged based on factors like technique and others. Foundation and every other part of the O.U.R. system reps each aspect of the dance. Although parts of the world may disagree, the system hasn't existed that long yet. There are still parts of the system that are viewed negatively upon, but hopefully some changes can be made on how exactly each part is judged.

[@ConsciousBreaks]

Are all these judges briefed or told specifics about the judging, because I'd hate if it was just assumed that they automatically qualify as a judge.

[@tremerin1]

That was really clarifying, thanks.

[@R16KOREA]

Yes ofcourse it's taken into account. It's under the "Dynamics" Category. It is part of the 7 Dynamic qualities: Strength, Speed, Balance, Energy, Flexibility, Risk of Injury, and Complexity

[@GurungArjun20]

how can the end's set only get 2 for originality? WTFFF!

[@CGDCBOYS]

thx

[@uveress]

But yea, I do understand what you are saying. There are still a few flaws with the system, but it's an improvement on the judging system earlier.

[@GroinDestroyer]

why did bboy sick get scored so low....

[@flipone01]

What is the highest score you can get in each catergory?

[@Bboywind97]

jack hammers to airflare... TOO BEAST!

[@Фирдавс-н5ч]

thanks !!!

[@irijojo]

I AGREE so much with that. I feel he should at least get a 2.. like only give them a one if they just do straight up power with no foot work right??

[@qprtx]

Of course Blue did a great job. I just think that sometimes when someone maxes out a category or two, the judging system doesn't leave any room for the opposing crew to top it in the response. That could be changed if crews were given scores relative to each other. For instance, the Gamblerz routine at 6:50 earned a 5 in dynamics, but one could argue that Jinjo's response was even more dynamic. However, there is no way for the scoring system to reflect that. O.U.R. is still great. Keep it up!

[@BboySomar]

powerheads can get dynamics, excecution and battle view and can do powermoves with musicality and confidence such as (flying buddha) and there are powermovers that are creative and original such as lil g, the end, funt....

[@bboyeliandro6039]

gamblerz sempre em forma muita musicalidade

[@LilJohn_80]

i like how u said that.."we can't give point to art"..i agreed with u..it should be base on the judges's feeling..

[@votexmama]

great battle nonetheless!!!

[@Erickson127]

Well when you think about it in another way, there's not really a way to call powermoves themselves original because most have to be done with specific techniques. When you look at two people do a flare side by side, they're doing it the same way and you'd really only see very small differences. I'm not saying he's not original. Combos The End pulled can be considered individual to him because he does them better than others. But at the same time, isn't that why he scored a 5 in Dynamics?

[@LawkSam]

But still, The End seems to score way too low in de Originality category for what he does.. in the battle against L41, he did his insane threading power combination and only scored 3.

[@TheHazer3400]

i think your confusing it with dynamics and execution because dynamics is the difficulty of the move and execution is the cleanliness of it..he clearly got a 5 for dynamics and i believe he deserved at least a 4 for execution..but originality he got a 2 because he just did powermoves and sets that is mostly common and didnt add any variation to them such as a flare to cricket or airflare to munchmill because i see bboy chungabis or vicious victor do that all the time

[@Plajaa]

6:03 Bboy The End's set got 2 for ORIGINALITY!!! R U KIDDING ME? Nobody in the whole phaqin world can repeat his sets! How the phaq he gets only 2 out of 5 when he does the powermoves which he invented and nobody can repeat it?

[@BBOYDIVER]

who winner.

[@xXMaBuHaYxKeOXx]

DOPE BATTLE!!!

[@Samir_Zope]

What probably would be better is to set the maximum of points to 10. Reason for this is that for example many bboys can get an average/good score in dynamics (3/4) like Skim, however, The End gets a 5 with doing way more and higher level dynamics. The difference in points in only 1/2 while the difference in dynamics in their performance is greater. So in 10 points The End would have 10 points and the other 6 points, the difference of 4 points now seems more appropriate to the difference in skill

[@R16KOREA]

Execution needs to have these 4 components distinguishable executed: 1. Complete confidence 2. A rhythm (weather power, style or tricks) 3. Clean form (style and power, no scrapes or stumbles) 4. Clean moves (no crashes must be sharp) All 4 must be executed from the beginning to the end of the ENTIRE round to score perfect

[@ConsciousBreaks]

Anyone know the song when Octopus goes out?

[@MrSonnyli]

Vero rocked!!!!

[@Verloren]

I think part of the problem is that it's almost expected of The End to do them. Kinda like Minnesota Joe's airflare lotus combo.

[@Plajaa]

now try again and watch his set from start and say me...does anybody in the whole world can do 1 elbow air tracks with his legs like that? Seriously! And how often did u seen this combo from him? I saw it 2nd time since its all new and fresh!

[@SuperNeowiz]

So Hong 10 is from Jinjo now?

[@mark12345697]

Hong10 is in jinjo not in gamblerz -.-

[@rh59kr7]

Sorry for the sort of late reply, but dynamics doesn't equate to power, although power has many aspects that relate to dynamics (in the scope of this system). Most everybody has a good chance of scoring high with this system provided that they have a well developed style, which is why I believe that this system can work. It's still a hell lot more fair than "This side won just because I feel like it." The results are clear and any injustice can easily be pointed out.

[@BboySeoulFame]

i need the song list pleaseeeeeeee!!!

[@Pahtwo]

These moves are no where to be found in america....?

[@bststeepee]

r16 world championship semifinals > r16 korea > r16 world championship final

[@surpresaelemento]

KOREA MELHO DO MUNDOS BBOYS ADIMIRO MUIIIIIIIIIIITO

[@MiCKeeMoUsEe]

Lil John goes, "If there's one power move I put a 1"

[@buzoooka94]

I think he weren't in Jinjo before. But it's a great combo with Hong 10 in it by the way. :)

[@bboynhoc392]

the song 00.50 please

[@CalvinOh]

Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - Bo Diddley 4:53

[@akirayoshidacompany]

octopus a 3 in foundation? I dont know if this system is that reliable.. for me bboying shouldnt be that strict

[@Bendudexx]

-.- Blue and Storm are the only ones which seem like they're actually judging it seriously. 2 for execution in Skim's first set, and 3 for Hong 10's first set... when they were supposed to be high fours or fives.

[@TheEsclaw]

King So! Nice to see him battling.

[@윤미진-r9i]

우와..베로

[@ConsciousBreaks]

Song list please!

[@juniorsky2012]

first song name plz

[@BreakerMFC]

Song at 3:18 and the one which starts at 8:18 plz????

[@qprtx]

After seeing OUR system in action, I'm a little bit disillusioned with its effectiveness. I think judge scores should be given after both crews throw out their rounds, because it seems that doing a few airflares before transitioning into footwork is a 5 in dynamics, but powerheads like The End deserve more dynamics points than someone who does 5 seconds of power. By comparing the two crews, judge scores could accurately reflect who did better in what category instead of everyone getting a 5.

[@asiandude256]

Competing in the r16 is like taking the driving test, everything needs to be how the judges score it.

[@wanshaarmizico925]

What the dance name at 8.32

[@andrepranata7720]

Plzz...tell me all of the song in this battle

[@Erickson127]

I'm amazed by The End's power as much as the next person, believe me. But let's say someone somewhere in the world managed to achieve let's say jackhammers to airflares and has never even heard of The End. He's not biting since he's never seen a single bit of The End's powerhead style. He's just doing the same combo. At the same time, he's able to do something that The End can do. So really, powermoves can only make a small impact on Originality. Like I said, there's a Dynamics section for that.

[@sixzeroninetk9498]

3rd music plz..? anybody know dat music??

[@ConsciousBreaks]

But the thing is that, the points in itself are being called into question as judge's give some questionable scores. The whole idea was based on being able to be held "accountable"-the judges that is. But, how are they being held accountable, that's the question.

[@XbboyztoneX]

4:54 song please !!!!

[@BboySomar]

youve got a point there actually!

[@jabbawockeez127]

nice battle Respect to Gamblerz And jinjo crew

[@Bruce516153]

5:35 music?

[@ConsciousBreaks]

Anyone knows the songs between 1:16 and 4:53?

[@ngajakribut]

what song at 08:17... plis, i need it ? :) respect~

[@DaRocknOn3]

Amen

[@bboybeginning73]

song at 8:18 and last song please !!

[@MiCKeeMoUsEe]

A lot of points seemed more biased. Execution 4 on Vero? Okay sure and King So got a 3?

[@wanshaarmizico925]

Where bboy wing??

[@nawab256]

wan shaarmizico Not on the team yet during that time

[@AlexDanceAdi]

ohh okayyy thanks for the info =)

[@CstepakaNoizeBoxtz]

why is hong 10 here? XD he s suppose to be in the army

[@MyUsernameIsTed]

you dont NEED to be a well rounded bboy to do well with the system, just need a well rounded crew. Where a power head may lack in foundation, a style head can do well with foundation and have a weak point in dynamics. nothing wrong with the system, there are other competitions that judge a different way and nothing wrong with them either. Maybe it still needs more work on but i think it is fair enough.

[@Tinker_fps]

This system seems more towards footwork. I mean when the end went out he got 1 point on foundation, which I don't really agree. The systems seems to favor more foundation and footwork. It's like a powerhead like the end can't go out and win a round then and it defeats the purpose of having a crew on crew. My own opinion tho.

[@thophan6104]

good

[@vvietmaw]

The End Original just 2 why? he create the Power with the different it hard than create other style(Foudation footwork musical )

[@Yoklcxhj]

Who's the winner???

[@Bendudexx]

whos that awesome guy from Gamblerz at 0:38 who did like a fucking clean shoulder spin for like 6 seconds?

[@bststeepee]

fe is so awesome!

[@CGDCBOYS]

What's foundation stand for?Could someone explain it for me?