How To Train Your Dragon vs. Norse Mythology

[@troperhghar9898]

Its a bit weird now that I think about it, in a story about Norse myths and dragons it's strange that fafnir who became a dragon or the world serpent dont get mentioned once

[@nothingposted9056]

You're right, I'm pretty sure Hiccup would get called Fafnir as a slur, because he sided with the dragons

[@Lolbitdrangonmaster]

The nine realms have a giant snake dragon called jormangänder. Did I use the right version of the letter A?

[@arielgalles2107]

I find it incredibly endearing how you say "if you liked it, consider liking it." A lot of KZbinrs say stuff like "hit the like button" or "smash that like button" and it gets annoying. The way you say it is very chill.

[@kimeraclan3135]

Loki, much like Eris and Anansi are supposed to be gods of discord, so there's a huge stretch between being the bringers of bickering to "Oh, those silly pranksters!" I know that Eris always caused calamity and infighting amongs the gods, so fortunately Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas did her some justice. And Anansi, according to West African tales, was a god of "desperate times call for drastic measures" sort of mentality. And Loki appears situated somewhere in the middle: "I will replace Sif's hair, which I cut off, but I'll also start infighting amongst the dwarf blacksmiths!" His methods can be helpful, but more often than not he exists to explain disagreement and half-truths.

[@venusgin7779]

He is also similar to Slavic Veles who is a god of earth, waters, livestock, and the underworld, a shapeshifter and a prankster by nature.

[@annalisalundberg4561]

Thing is, Eris is truly a goddess...but Loki and Anansi are not. There aren't traces of a cult of Loki, or of rituals dedicated to him...he was a trickster, but not really a god...

[@alficiro3238]

@@annalisalundberg4561 there are artifacts theorized to depict Loki such as the Snaptun stone in Denmark, and Scandinavia has traditions associating the hearth with a "Loke".

[@longpotter917]

honestly, the "jesus, he's the son of god y'know." doesn't seem that far off from reality.

[@brianedner8125]

I am also a big OSP fan and loved their video on Loki.

[@killroy7917]

I love how whenever you say the name of the dieties your swedish accent breaks through (I atleast assume it's swedish since it's similiar to my own accent)

[@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023]

You are correct. Oakwyrm is a Finland-Swede / finlandssvensk / suomenruotsalainen / Finnlandschweden / finlandais suédophone / finlandés suecófono. He has told and demonstrated in at least these videos some things about the roles that different languages play in his life: Accent Challenge, Nov 22, 2018 How Do I Pronounce That? (Sick Day Ramble + Speedpaint), May 31, 2019 A Week In The Life Of Delphi | Dog Vlog, Jul 15, 2021 Reading With An Accent | Speedpaint, Aug 30, 2021 I hope this is useful!

[@kimeraclan3135]

Also, I'm also a mythology buff, and I'm wondering what people with disabilities think about Celtic myths surrounding ableism, specifically Nuada and his silver arm situation.

[@Calumba1904]

“No, Odin is not Santa Claus.” *laughs in Dresden Files*

[@Spagettigeist]

I love north mythology (and mythology in general), so thanks for the upload. It was interesting to listen to. Like you said, it's a bit much to expect from a children's show to get it exactly right, but I also find it sad that so many shows just simply gloss over these things. Kids could learn so much from it if they bothered to include a bit more of accurate depiction of other cultures. Would it really have been that hard to research which god would be the god of marriage and stuff like this? Anyway, interesting as always. I love your content. =)

[@takkycat]

Its not a children's book by any stretch of the imagination, but I highly recommend the book, "American Gods," by Neil Gaiman (same author of "Coraline" if you want a children's book you might recognize). He is way into Norse mythology and mythology in general and you can really tell in his book. In the book basically all gods/goddesses and every iteration of them are real, and the story explores how they come to be and what happens then people stop believing in them. Warning: the protagonist (a human named "Shadow") is a bit depressing, but he has good reason to be in story and is not one of those downer characters that is sad solely for the sake of gaining sympathy. His depression actually explains some of his choices.

[@CLDJ227]

Hercules the animated series may be a good example of a kids show incorporating mythologies into it and educating them.

[@Spagettigeist]

@@takkycat I know both of these books and love them ^-^ Though when it comes to Neil Gaiman, I love "The ocean at the end of the lain" the most =D

[@Spagettigeist]

@@CLDJ227 Sounds like something I have to look into when I get the time. I might not be a kid anymore myself, but my brother has two little kiddies, who sooner or later are going to be at an age where I can share my love for... well.. various things, mythologhy definetely being one of them ^-^

[@CLDJ227]

@@Spagettigeist It's funny I didn't really grow up with that show (I just saw bits and pieces of it in passing), but I feel like I appreciate it more as an adult especially with having a some knowledge of Greek mythology.

[@dawnshade4939]

This was incredibly interesting, especially since I am a pagan and have been interested in looking into the Norse gods a few times (but alas, young me was also mildly traumatized by the Norse myths so I have a fear of them which is rather annoying)

[@divineeye147]

How to train your Norse mythology :)

[@junipersolis]

A lot of creators reference Jesus and his stories pretty often when writing for protagonists, so I'd love to see someone do that for a different mythology. I love the stories of Jesus in an academic sense and even parallel him in some of my own writing, but having whole pantheons to work with could add so much to how certain characters play off each other and their arcs. Just a thought.

[@mossy1476]

okay this isnt really related to this video,, more so your previous video about being infantilized as disabled people. I just wanted to share a lil happy thing that happened for me: I am getting my top surgery very soon (litterly next week aaaaaah) and I have autism and adhd. my gender therapist recommended to the hospital that their psych staff have a sit down with me to see if they can make accomidations for me on the normal recovery unit or if I'd have to recover on the psych unit. they were all very encouraging for me to get the right accomidations and go to the normal unit (the hospital has a system that lends more easily to personal accomidations then other hospitals I know). a few weeks ago I could even go and have a quick tour of the unit and even got to see the holding and the recovery room (like where you go right after surgery to sleep off some of the anesthesia before going to your own room). when I got there I mentioned I was doing this because of my autism, so theres as much clarity and such as possible. When I did I very much expected some of them to start baby-ing me but I was pleasantly surprised that the only indication was that they seemed to internally go "oh! autism! gotta be clear and to the point!" but not in a bad way. more of a "okay, gotta take that into account" so that was incredibly great. Idk I just wanted to give you (and whoever might be reading this, hi) a lil pleasant and happy instance where the expectation turns out to not be the case.

[@les5503]

That's lovely, I hope your top surgery goes well!

[@mossy1476]

@@les5503 thank you!!

[@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023]

Thank you for sharing this, and best of luck with the surgery!

[@TheRedwater357]

6:36 to be fair, my parents still do this sometimes. I'm 28

[@thefarlander2050]

I think a pretty good example of Norse mythology shown in the HTTYD franchise was in the short Legend of the Boneknapper Dragon. In it, Gobber tells stories about his run-ins with the Boneknapper, a dragon that steals the bones of other dragons to build armor for itself. On the last story of the dragon, Gobber claimed to have seen Thor in person, and help deter the beast with the help of a Hammerhead Yak and Hammerhead Whale (long story). Perhaps if you make a sequel to this video, you could explain that whole ordeal a little more. Anyways, great video and I can't wait to see more!!!

[@thedanishcatgirl3205]

OverlySarcatiscProduktions actually has a good video talking about Odin, the wild hunt and Christmas. Also I do remember seeing stuff that indicated that which Norse deities where the most worshipped waried from region to region. While we know would say Odin. Odin was the allfather but for many Tor was more popular since he gave strength and also rain (so technically he was a fertility god too). And in places that weren’t as fighting focused they had more use of the Vanir since they were more nature related. Tyr who many would see as just a copy of Thor was actually very popular in earlier times in Denmark but at least during the later Viking age we don’t see him mentioned a lot. So even historically it makes sense that they would have a focus on Thor as they had a great need for his skills and clearly valued Odins more strategic and knowledgeable domain as less important. Or else Hiccups ideas would have been more welcomed

[@foodforfish]

this is low-key making me wanna do a breakdown of how the norse gods are used in the OG book series... I have a lot of things I could say about how Freya is used in particular.

[@lucyandecember2843]

ooh that'd be so cool!!

[@clutchthecinnamonsergal8493]

The OG book series is the goat

[@suchendelokidottir5673]

To be fair, if my method of writing involved scratching a rock with another rock, I probably wouldn't write much either.

[@tdpuuhailee8222]

There is also one episode in Race to the Edge where Týr is mentioned. Curse of Týr. Wich was translated in the finnish dub as "kyynelten kirous" (curse of tears).

[@zinkheroofyoutube8004]

Now I'm curious if Hiccups story could be linked to the story of Tyr A hero has to sacrifice a limb to defeat a mighty beast

[@astoroidea6502]

I feel so honoured that you mentioned us Asatru, in most analysis of modern “Viking” media, our ideas and beliefs are often an afterthought if a thought at all

[@ritabaving1009]

Viking helmets never had horns. They would drink out of horns.

[@isauldron4337]

YES! the horned helmets are a romantic invention

[@GoblinLord]

The interesting thing is, at least in my research, there's a few known ways to get sorted post-Mortem, Valhalla where Odin gets his battle-dead, Freyja's hall that I always forget the spelling of, then you've got a Hall associated with I believe an Ocean deity, because it's usually only inviting people who die gruesomely at sea, and then of course Helheim, which I perceived less as "You die and you'll likely go here" and more as a place for those who aren't exceptional, or lived mundane lives, because the Valkyrie didn't pick up every corpse who hit the ground, they usually picked the best of the fallen, then they were split among the two Halls, though I haven't heard of getting into Freyja's hall without dying in battle so that's a hole in my knowledge though the interesting thing is I have heard scraps of info saying that if you are an oathbreaker (one of the biggest cultural taboos I know in Norse folklore) then there's a chance you get eaten up by Nidhogg, haven't been able to find anything concrete tho

[@CoolYoloSwag]

This franchise doesn’t bother me half as much as the inaccuracies in Marvel

[@alvasmas3564]

yeah same it’s probably bc in marvel they’re actual characters

[@Darigosh]

Okay for the Loki part I think it's mainly because it's because it's Ruff and Tuffnut

[@ferndoesart4734]

Interesting video! I also love httyd and it’s cool how much you know on the topic

[@shizuwolf]

I’m surprised this series didn’t cause some kind of uproar over this series in the US. “They’re trying to covert our kids to paganism” or whatever they’d say on fox news.

[@nothingposted9056]

Hold on, Nordic gods did not have one set thing that they ruled over. Thor got invited to weddings, and the bride was given jewelry with Thor's hammer as a reminder of when he himself was a bride, and that she could (and should) hulk out at any moment if she so desired. As for weather, he is the god of thunder, and thunder signals rain, which means it's time to plant, because it's not snowing. Have you seen how it is up in Scandinavia? Sometimes there's so much wind, I've seen videos of people struggling to even walk, and we all know how snow can be over there. But rain is a good thing, because it nurtures the crops. You just had to remember that weather, much like Thor, is extremely short tempered. On the other hand, Odin was an outsider. He wasn't a part of society like Thor, he often went off on trips, he 'crossed the line' between what is acceptable and what is not, and he was in it for the knowledge, so he was able to mess with anybody and he wouldn't get the consequences...except when he wanted to, say, stab himself with a spear. I wouldn't pray to him if my issue was dragons, I would pray to the one that gives me food and helps me to kick my bad husband to the curve.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

Odin also helped make the modern wizard look, also he did occasionaly give gifts in a way. There was one story I read where some warriors were on a quest, they meet a curious one eyed man in a hat and such, who directs them to a home with weapons

[@EvilDMMk3]

I was sure I had to rent somewhere (so I am 100% aware that this could be 1000% wrong) that there was a specific afterlife we knew about for people who drowned at sea, notable for being a place with incredibly good booze.

[@annalisalundberg4561]

Probably it was Ran's (the wife of Aegir) dominion

[@anymeaddict]

The KZbin channel, ocean keltoi, actually has a couple good videos about the viking/norse pagan views on the after life and soul. Highly recommend! He also is a norse pagan reconstructionist and will point out what we know for sure, where we are filling in blanks and why, and what some people do that isn't based on history.

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Oh hey! Another Ocean Keltoi viewer - hello!

[@zilesis1]

Hello! love this channel!. would love to know your thoughts on the 1998 "Quest for Camelot" movie I used to watch it a lot as a kid, but didn't really think through it. I remember it being a farily generic kids movie from a basic plot perspective: main characters try to find Excalibur in a magic forrest *but* thinking about it from a disability standpoint, i can't really think of anything quite like it (at least not from that era) i mean our main characters are: a female that isn't a princes (pretty crazy for 1998 imo), a blind man (like with an actual cane he uses to help him move a round and a support falcon), and the comedic side characters are 2 dragons that are siamese twins! and i'm pretty sure the villain did some weird body modification on himself at the end or something so... yeah, would love to know your thoughts

[@justingame4459]

Got done watching this and I have to say this was very fun. Personally to me what a my favorite goddesses of the North is helheim the goddess of death lives.

[@eml05]

I've been rereading the books and while these movies are not much like the books, the obsession with Thor is pretty accurate. Like the first word in the second book is Thor, they have Thor'sday Thursday for their initiation stuff. So while I know it's not accurate historically or mythologically, it's nice that they use something from the books 😊

[@modmaker7617]

HTTYD was great franchise. Also, I wonder what the people of Nordic countries think of Marvel's interpretation of Norse Mythology. So what do you think?

[@raiderking7310]

When I was young I didn't even know that they were suppose to be vikings I just assumed they were the fantasy barbarians based that just look like vikings

[@vanessakoehler5686]

I just remembered that there is an archetype for Yu-Gi-Oh Valkyries and the three main cards for Valkyries are the ace monsters Odin Thor, Loki. Just thought I add that in.

[@friend_trilobot]

I always feel like the existence of a highly oversimplified pop culture version of norse myth, thanks to marvel and others, just makes it even harder to recognize that even the less common ideas about norse myth are also pretty oversimplified and a lot of unknown. Unlike classical Greek mythology norse myth is based on a handful of late sources that were put together into a canonical pantheon by early folklorists who usually had an agenda (to establish a pan Germanic cultural identity, or in modern times to establish a pagan identity in an attempt to escape Christian influences) but despite the flaws and fudging over unknowns, those ideas are still very prevalent. There was likely a differences between scandinavian beliefs at different times in its history and between different Germanic regions, but we haveb only a few sources to go off of.

[@narutohuntmendemon6354]

I think he's more to a god of chaos

[@princeollie1022]

I would love to hear what you think of the mythology in GoW 4-5! I think they did some cool stuff, but I am not of norse descent so there might be a lot I'm not aware of.

[@fabycho6791]

Yesterday I watched avatar and I was wondering if maybe one day you could talk about it mostly because your opinion is the most important one to me when it comes to the topic of disability representation in media

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

0:18 I clicked on this cuz I didn’t realize they even featured or drew from Norse mythology tbh

[@alvasmas3564]

i like to tell myself that the inaccuracies exist because the httyd characters had source material that doesn’t exist today and vice versa. we don’t know everything they know and they don’t know everything we know. just to stop myself from exploding every time one of these inaccuracies appear lol

[@sploshdolphin1575]

Have you added more poses for your drawing? It looks really good and even more expressive now!

[@larakuntschik4023]

honestly i think stoik (hicups dad) lookes a lot like the og Thor (sorry fore my bad inglish)

[@Notmyday2009]

I know you said not to take it too seriously, but this I consider worth knowing whenever Norse mythology is brought up. Norse religion and Norse Mythology are too different things. One is the religious practices and belief of people in very expesific time and place. (I am not a historian or authority on these subjects) The other is the literary Norse Mythology while based on oral tradition are instriscly tied to Christianity. Because it was written long after Christianity came to the dominant religion. So, while the use is stand-in, it is excessively on the nose. One can not seperate Literary Norse Mythology from Chiristianity. The whole idea of pantheon and some unified Mythology is Christian thing. The actual beliefs of the Norse were all over the place, and sadly, a lot of is most likely lost to time forever. So they being obsessed with Thor over any other God makes sense. As said, the idea of unified pantheon is part of the Literay Norse mythology and not thing about the actual belief. (Warning all takes on Norse Mythology and beliefs are have a lot of especulation to the point that they might as well all be hot takes even this one) Anyway, I love the video. This is not criticism on the video and more info all folk interested in the subject should know before they post their hot take on the comments section.

[@SqualorOpera]

8:16 pls don’t get murdered by a strange incredibly-unlikely-but-undeniably-natural event for saying this

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

10:26 wait… wasn’t Freyja a virgin goddess?

[@pinky0558]

They also use it as a substitute for swearing There are times they say “what the Thor?!” And “what the god” is not a phrase. But “what the f-“ is

[@zoguy6988]

6.26. You laugh, but that's exactly how it feels being in a Christian school. I get it. He's the son of God. Can we move on to the next topic.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

6:26

[@AnaLopez-cc4nw]

You sould make a colab with OSP, it would be so fun

[@Bezaliel13]

6:00

[@RainyLS]

Kinda unrelated to the video but I'd love to know your take on the Hunchback of Notre Dame movie. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's a really good movie imo

[@thegrapeentity7662]

Would you be interested in making a video on disability in the movie The Village?

[@johanandersson8252]

Low-key (Lo-ki).

[@l.cardo0709]

eyo... is All Might disabled? Could you talk about that? Love your videos btw

[@Travissquid18]

I’ve gotten into a habit of saying “for the love of Thor” and other things like that because of race to the edge

[@Turai12]

The lack of knowledge of Norse mythology can very much be attributed to Christians.

[@Joy-zz8wz]

Freyja represents gold and gold represents sunlight, so that makes sense to me? Idk Abt fire though

[@lahlybird895]

I think the riddle might have just been about the syllable count And they might have mixed up the twins or just assumed they were the same domain since Frey is relatively unknown in comparison to Freya So they may have just figured that Freya was the goddess of summer heat the way I think Frey is supposed to be, I mean their names are pretty similar it could be easy to make that mistake tears of joy and just combine the twins Thrud and Frey wouldn't carry the m of the poem the same way

[@Marvelsdisneydreamuniverse]

I love mythology. They really portrayed it well in HTTYD and MCU.

[@benceszilagyi8442]

Get better💜

[@Magicghost23]

🔨⚡️🐲

[@handlealluppercase]

Æ

[@katelee670]

Not sure when vikings were introduced to Christianity..

[@theaureliasys6362]

I'm a heathen, engaged to a Jew, so the rather blatant xtianity painted over hurts double. Thank you for this video.

[@Demolitiondude]

Yet you're doing a deep dive on a children's series. It's as if asatro is the dominant religion in fictional Scandinavia or something?! Even as an intro to norse mythology. Odin is the chief God of the aesir, on par with Zeus, Ra, and God.

[@Lucien234-i2z]

If you read the book "How to train your dragon?" The characters are not from Scandinavia! They are Norse-Gaels meaning they are both Vikings and Celtic Gaels, they live in the outer herbrides in Scotland hence the Scottish accents. The book author asked the creators to put Scottish accents in the movie to show they are indeed in Scotland. Vikings in the Scottish western isles mixed with the local gaels and it was found the vikings in the Scottish isles transitioned to Christianity in a line with the native geals who had also transitioned to Christianity. The dragons on a mythology in the isle of Staffa in Scotland where the author spent her childhood, the Scottish locals calimed that dragons lived in the caves. This an example of you not understanding the source material kinda makes you ignorant.

[@justingame4459]

First

[@refracted2500]

I dine feel like this video actually said anything interesting in any way Also you say to not take this video to seriously because it’s a kids movie franchise, but then you take it as serious as anyone could care. What is the point of this video