Oasisse 6 : Hot Industrial Brick operational : Oxygen not included

[@ieggn1te]

Looking back at this in 2024, it's pretty insane how so few things have changed since then.

[@G33KST4R]

Lmao listening to your sketchy plan for cooling your polymer press was the best thing ever. I love this series.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It worked out OK considering I was working it in an environment it was close to melting in.

[@prompt000]

"Hot industrial brick - I'll come up with a better name by the end of the video"

[@salithus]

I love how human your videos are - brilliant ideas and brilliant screw ups both :D def my favorite youtuber so far!

[@bobbobby7563]

Man that “hot industrial brick” looks nice. Hope it doesn’t melt itself.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Don't tempt fate it's been working really well so far.

[@RichardFooter]

Ceramic! That's how I stop my refineries melting in my (your!) sauna :D

[@Velokotique]

"I dont have enough reed fiber!" - said he exactly as his camera floated over 3 wild reed fibers.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I did not want to dig them up, it took a while to get the pips to plant them. I'll get more seeds in a bit and fill up the tiles, this map is dripping in water I don't know what to do with it all.

[@prototype21]

I've been doing cold industrial bricks all along and decided to give this a try. I'm not sure if its better or worse but the amount of time, labor, and resources you need to sink into a hot industrial brick is a lot more.

[@darkfangulas]

I love making these hot rooms and dropping stuff inside it and watching it melt and change state idk why 😂😂

[@FrancisJohnYT]

They are a room you never knew you needed until you built one.

[@wreckcelsior]

Industrial Sauna.. as far as I am concerned, you are a damn fine 'namer'. cheers for the vid Francis.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Thank you kind sir.

[@SnaFubar_24]

@ around 21:00 you sound like the "Crazy Fred" type TV commercials I remember from my childhood. Picture a guy in a loud 70's "Leisure suit" in a furniture or appliance showroom pointing to different items "on sale" shouting "That has to go, that has to go, and that simply MUST go! So I'm letting it out the door for the unbelievable low low price of $___.__" "This week only folks!"

[@rifflerunderhill7006]

My name's Crazy Fred and I'm crazy about making you a deal so come on down!

[@SnaFubar_24]

@@rifflerunderhill7006 Exactly :-}>

[@alfredothepasta]

I'm definitely going to be stealing this idea. I love finding ways to use steam generators all over the place.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Steal away, stole an idea from Speiger in the comments of the previous episode. Mined out some of the 1400C obsidian and put it in storage containers in the sauna. it's slowly draining the heat out of it and I don't have scalding rocks out on the map, really handy.

[@rubikmonat6589]

@@FrancisJohnYT I've been cooling my overheated oil biome directly for power. Running salt water in there with a steam turbine on top, condensed water gets dumped in an empty biome. Temp switch shuts it down below 150c steam temp. Pressure switch stops the brine at 20kg steam pressure. Control the upper temp by mining a fresh surface when the upper layer goes below about 180c. I'm diagonal building to delete any gas pockets.

[@XconeArtist]

Nice one. I'm currently attempting a hot petroleum-generator-room, using the steam of the output PH2O to cool down, dropping only a little bit back to prevent overheat. Seems to work well so far, but I don't have the power draw yet to really max it out. It's a refreshing challenge, compared to cooling everything previously.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

A tricky problem I'm not looking forward to. The petro gens output water and I'll have to figure out a way to siphon it out but not to much, that should not be to hard. However it also produces CO2 so got to figure out how to stop that clogging up the system. Good luck :)

[@not-high-on-life]

This design is actually the most sane way to do the industrial zone. Why waste heat when you can run hot and get energy out of it? Any decent industrial zone should be already liquidlock isolated, insulated and used exclusively thru atmo suits... decor in industrial zone does not matter at all if you have well decorated base and extended resting hours for your dupes ;) I usually put all power generation here as well, might take some tinkering with petroleum/natgas generators though - you never want polluted oxygen in this room as it's lighter than steam and will block the turbines

[@pronkel]

as always thanks for the video :)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

So today it's me binge commenting, trying to catch up on the weekend stuff. Thanks again :)

[@kalibbailey6219]

Watching you attempt a Speedrun/ Cycle Run Would be interesting.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

What would be the end goal, lunch a rocket?

[@ekayangtyler5592]

Mommy yes feed rocket

[@XZSteel]

Pretty cool idea

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I think you mean it's pretty hot......... I'll just get my coat.

[@Sniper12346]

@Francis John - I'm trying to do almost the exact same setup with the aquatuner here, but mine is overheating. Yes made of steel, with the same automation and piping... Any ideas?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Temp will need to stay below 275C, is the steam turbine kicking in? If so are you returning the 95C water it spits out back into the Sauna to cool it down?

[@Sniper12346]

@@FrancisJohnYT yes and yes

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@Sniper12346 Are you dumping the water near the Aquatuner? I have an email in the about section, send me on the save and I can have a quick look.

[@Sniper12346]

@@FrancisJohnYT Truthfully I'm an idiot... After watching super closely I realized all I was missing was the temp shift plates behind the aquatuner that I didn't realize were there......

[@TheGalifrey]

for applications under 500 degrees C then Aluminium tiles/shift plates seem to be much better than diamond (which I am sure you know by now haha)

[@supermaybdo]

I replicated the setup and my 2 steam turbines are running, but do not have the self-sufficient power to keep running, what am I doing wrong? stuff keeps shutting down every second or two because things run out of power

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's not totally self sufficient, usually I add coal or petroleum power to keep it running. However if you only run steel or Iron through the refineries then they produce more power than they use. Gold is a loss as it produces very little actual heat. Copper is about neutral.

[@supermaybdo]

@@FrancisJohnYT thank you sir

[@ramb4ldi]

Your industrial sauna looks cool! One issue I wonder if you will face is eventually the steam pressure will get too high for the plastic press, while active it is constantly adding a little more water/steam to the room where as all the other components within the room just recycle it. It probably isn't very fast and given the size of the room it shouldn't be an issue for a loooong time, but if you have a thousand cycle base with everything out of plastic again maybe it might be an issue?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It definitely could become a problem. At full tilt it would add 5kg of steam a cycle. I'm pretty sure that the liquid drop off will not care through so theoretically I could get the pressure in there up to hundreds of kilos and it should still work.

[@ramb4ldi]

@@FrancisJohnYT I don't think the liquid vent will be an issue as it blocks at 1000kg density (seen usually when you make maximum fill water ponds, often around a pitcher pump). I think the plastic press will hit its over pressure limit sooner, I think that will be 5kg just like the petroleum refinery and its natural gas output.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@ramb4ldi it's already 15-18 kg in there and it was working.

[@Misterscout]

Can you transfer heat with radiant air pipes as vapor chambers?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Gas cooling is possible, liquid is usually used due to it's greater thermal mass.

[@kingkracker1998]

so i tryed making my own version of one of these, an lets just say it working fin but shit was gettin so damn hot that my steal auto sweepers keep frying lol. but this is my first play throu an my hole base is a bit of a mess lol. 650 cycles and i havnt breached the surface yet lol.

[@Ed-wu8jn]

Have the mechanics changed since this video or am I missing something? I built an industrial sauna in a vacuum with ceramic metal refineries, polluted water in them, water on the floor, and radiant pipes running to the floor of the top level to make steam for the turbines. Whether I use aluminum, gold, or steel pipes, they break within a cycle. My steel aquatuner also broke almost right away and yes, I have diamond tempshift plates back there. Help?

[@Ed-wu8jn]

After two days of struggling my brain finally made the connection that I should use something other than polluted water inside the refinery pipes. Sigh.

[@LuuTuanAnhNA]

Why dont you put the thermal aquatuner inside the actual square of the brick but a bit outside like that? Just replace in the transformer providing its power?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Think it might be habit. I like to keep the pipes inside the steam box as little as possible so I cram them near the top for a simpler straight through pipe flow.I think only 5 pipe segments (ceramic) are inside the steam room. Also saves on ceramic early on.

[@ingijonsson3466]

Why dont you just have the batteries at the top so you dont have to import them in later. if something brakes and cools down the water settles at the bottom at the metal refineries

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I don't have enough steel at the start to make the batteries out of steel that's why I add them in after I get the refineries up and running. The pre added batteries were made of gold.

[@SirDubington]

Wondering why the transformer is needed in the brick? Couldnt the aquatuner be hooked directly into the network with a heavy watt wire ?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Theoretically yes, however I would lose one of the airflow tiles beneath it so i'm trying to leave more space for the heat to escape. If I try to bring in the heavy watt any other way I will leak out an enormous amount of heat into the steam turbine area.

[@vulkandrache1928]

That hot industry room should have had its outputs materials loaded on conveyers and run through a water bath for cooling.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Should be unnecessary, when you build something it's temperature is defaulted to between 20C-45C depending on how hot the material it was made of started out at. So 1000C steel turned into a brick drops to 45C instantly. Means you don't have to worry to much about hot building material lying around.

[@vulkandrache1928]

Well yes. But that entire room concept runs on style points. Might aswell go all the way.

[@HaYToKoRaZ]

03:14 used liquid pipe aluminum different from what we can use aluminum don't mine :(

[@FaithOriginalisme]

I feel like Industrial Sauna was an obvious name.. lol

[@shubhamashish716]

7:48 @Francis I made a stupid Mistake. at this point nothing is stupid.

[@jm445x]

I took 3h building a mid-game industrial sauna like this, but wasn't aware that the overheat temperature of the metal refinery was 75°C... As it cannot be built with steel, how do you manage tu use them in a 150°C room ?

[@jm445x]

Ok, I'm stupid... Ceramic is perfect for this

[@bakaky0]

Is it better to have more steam (in kilos of water) inside the room or have just the bare minimum?

[@greedtheron8362]

You can get the power out of the steam a lot steam a lot quicker if you have more water, but if you have something that might overheat if used to much, like say a couple metal refineries, it might be better to use a lot of steam to have a safer buffer to absorb all that heat and not overheat your machines.

[@Velokotique]

It looks like it makes no difference power-wise. But I prefere to have more steam because it gives more inertia and stability to the system - it will not be so prone to sudden overheating, cooling or lose of pressure.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

As mentioned by Theron and Mihsan the more steam you have the quicker it sucks heat out of the metal refinery coolant. This results in a more stable system. Imagine a system with only 100g of steam per tile? The outgoing coolant would not be able to dump much heat into it before it ended up going back into the refinery and you would quickly end up boiling the petroleum. I would recommend 15kg to 20kg per tile minimum. More is not better or worse, just a bit safer and more stable.

[@rubikmonat6589]

@@FrancisJohnYT How much is too much? I've hit 250kg before I used some automation to control my water.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@rubikmonat6589 at 1000kg steam the water vent will no longer output.

[@TheLoneWolfling]

The multi-liquid lock can be easily broken by a dupe carrying a hot (or cold) material across it and dropping it... Rather annoying. There's far too little mass in the upper tile for it to be truly stable. The traditional lock has enough additional thermal mass that it's much less likely to have an issue (although it's still possible if a dupe does something silly like drop a ton of nearly-molten iron on one of the sides.) You really like single-insulated-tile walls with tempshift plates next to them... not a fan personally. Too much heat leakage. I tend to do normal tiles (Or even metal in places dupes frequent) with a vacuum normally; also better for morale. You use way more heavy wire than I do. I personally would have put the "unattended" stuff in the top floor (batteries & transformers, plural), and routed the refinery cooling loops to the _bottom_ (as this prevents the water+vacuum issue)... assuming there isn't too too much of a thermal gradient between bottom and top at least. To prevent the whole "water + vacuum" issue, you can add some CO2 or sour gas (or chlorine, although it has terrible thermal conductivity). Anything denser than steam that won't condense at the worst-case temperature. It'll be compressed to the bottom normally, but if the room turns to water it'll expand, preventing a vacuum and allowing you to (carefully) rise the room back up to temperature. I know you don't like mixed gas rooms, but this is one decent application. Minor PSA: locked pneumatic doors aren't _quite_ the same as airflow tiles - one blocks decor and the other doesn't. If you've got negative decor, you want to block decor. If you've got positive decor, you want to allow decor through. Doesn't help for buildings that require a foundation, but helps for places that dupes just want to walk over. (Alternatively, build the floor two thick with the bottom tile locked doors). That aquatuner setup, even with the same-length bypass trick, still 'hiccoughs' occasionally when turning... off? On? One of the two. And only occasionally - seems to be lag-related. It'll back up the input by one momentarily. Fine if you've got a reservoir on it like you do; if you've built it directly sooner or later it'll block or do the weird rolling blockage thing.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Already had issues with the multi liquid lock when I drag hot obsidian through it, needs modification. I have a couple of idea's. Don't like putting temp shift plates beside a 1 tile thick insulated wall but sometimes you have no choice. Though in this case your right I should be able to do a little modification. There is no convection mechanic in this game, also I would have needed 1.8 tons more steel to make all the early batteries out of it. The reason the batteries were added in last was because I did not have enough steel until I got the refineries up and running. This necessitated putting them on the bottom level. The Batteries will always give off a little heat, it should be enough to counteract any heat bleed out of the system I hope. This should hopefully prevent the possibility of a vacuum. Another reason I put the batteries on the bottom, I intend to add another floor and add a layer of transformers so I can have even more heat in there. I'v started ripping out the airflow in my base and replacing them with pneumatic doors. I try to avoid using doors as a floor for buildings, it feels exploity. Did not know that about the aquatuner setup, glad I put the tank on it now, that was a last minute whim.

[@TheLoneWolfling]

> I have a couple of idea's. I'm interested to see what you come up with. > There is no convection mechanic in this game Right, and thence lies the issue with the "put the refinery cooling loops to the bottom" idea. If you're routing the major sources of heat to the bottom, and you've got the steam turbines at the top, you'll end up with the bottom hotter than the top, potentially allowing the refinery cooling loop to get hot enough to break the pipe. I personally would have put temporary batteries on an external floor. Again, at the end of the day this setup works though. > Did not know that about the aquatuner setup It's new with the pipe optimizations, and rather annoying. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of discussions on the issue because if you open a discussion someone assumes that you had the output back up (or doesn't understand how the bypass is supposed to work).

[@MrRainbow666666]

so it is better to make a cool box instead of a hot box, because then you dont really need too much steel to build all the machines. Well i mostly build a cool box, still an interesting idear to make it into a hot box. Maby its more usefull on other things.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm beginning to like the Opportunities it offers more as I play it. I have irregular oil so I'm finding lots of fossil so I have more steel than normal. Just dumped a bunch of hot obsidian 1400C into the sauna and it's eating it like a champ, this kind of heat disposal is growing on me.

[@gentlycz]

I did it in my last base, because all the piping to cool everything was getting crazy, then I decided to make all steel and just dump the heat to steam to get even more power while "cooling" the machinery

[@DupreDiggs]

How do you get drops of water and oil in those positions?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I run a pipe though the spot with liquid in it and then deconstruct the pipe. 10kgs of liquid drop out and I mop up the overflow.

[@jacobjonsson8335]

If you are referring to the outer liquid lock I think he pulled a pipe there, filled the pipe, stopped the flow, deleted 1 segment, voila, 10kg of one liquid. Rebuild pipe, reverse flow to empty it all. Repeat with different liquid.

[@DupreDiggs]

Righto. Thanks.

[@blasabreu]

You can call it my HIB (Hot Industrial Brick)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Does not have the same ring to it, a sauna sounds like a nice place to go even.

[@cardminatorful]

use the polluted water to rocket fuel later after I know to filter it

[@kingkracker1998]

after watching this i see where i first fucked up lol. for some reason i put my steam gens in a steam box lol and i used mettal block for the bottom of my steam box lol. dont work like that lol. even tho my hola brick was full of steam. easy fix i guess. god my base is a mess lol

[@Kris_Hagen]

Probably laughed more than I should have. 14:26 Then I got this image in my head. imgur.com/mIf5IH5