Obi-Wan Kenobi - DisneyCember

[@ChannelAwesome]

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[@trinaq]

It would probably be somewhere in the middle. Not a must see watch, but enjoyable to see the actors reprise their roles.

[@kdusel1991]

I think it's fine.

[@chasehedges6775]

Definitely meh but some of the performances were pretty good

[@chasehedges6775]

@@trinaq some of the Cast was great but everything else was beyond mediocre

[@sjk8495]

From a personal preference, I would rank Kenobi above Mandalorian and especially Book of Boba Fett. But neck to neck with Andor (the second season will probably determine my final verdict). But from an objective standpoint, below Andor and Mandalorian but above Book of Boba Fett. And Book of Boba Fett is the only one I consider meh/weak, but all the other ones at a bare minimum good, with Andor easily being the best one.

[@FOXZILLA5734]

One of the best things about this series is how Hayden being welcomed with open arms by many fans which is not only heart warming, but also has me see there is a good side to the fandom.

[@SingingSpock]

Funny thing for me is that it was actually a Nostalgia Critic video (11 good things about the prequels) that made me rethink my opinion about HC. His bad acting in the prequels wasn’t his fault, they were given shit direction and even Samuel Jackson acted pretty bad in places as a result.

[@FOXZILLA5734]

@@SingingSpock yeah I agree, it baffles me people always blame the actor not the writing and directing. I do respect George Lucas as a great idea man as you can see what he was going for in the prequels are inspired but it just wasn't executed really well.

[@Aussieroth7]

Which was always there and the majority ironically enough.

[@TanmanC]

I love how scary Vader is in this show, especially when he’s going through that town and killing people

[@kdusel1991]

He was a beast

[@alexiaNBC]

Especially when he just breaks that one kid's neck and tortures several people to lure Obi Wan out.

[@m1ghty_m1kk04]

Obi-wan Kenobi: ",Gate. It doesn't make sense. 🤯"

[@philippedefague3835]

yeah, vader was great, and that last scene.. brilliant.

[@nikkihansen2101]

Same here

[@trinaq]

I love how both Ewan and Hayden returned to reprise their iconic roles, and it's like they instantly slipped right back into them. I can't believe that it's been 17 years since the prequel series ended.

[@jessedellross3245]

Watch some of the behind the scenes stuff. Ewan and Hayden both start practicing for their lightsaber scene and…..it’s like they didn’t miss a day from ROTS.

[@kdusel1991]

They were both great!! I also really liked the Liam neeson cameo at the end!!

[@micharosa6201]

You mean "17 years since the prequel series ended".

[@kdusel1991]

@@micharosa6201 of course. I also kinda liked Riva. I thought Young Leia was decent enough.

[@oliviarogers2808]

Basically I have a love-hate relationship with this series. The parts that were good (exploring Obi-Wan's PTSD, his relationship with Vader, his relationship with Owen and Beru, his relationship with Leia) I thought were really good. The parts that were bad (the Inquisitors, the chase, the action, the twist, side stories) were really bad. This is a series I'd love to watch again, but fast-forward half of it.

[@mullaoslo]

Cut out the leia stuff and just focus on Obi Wan and Anakin and it would be a decent movie

[@johnnysparkle]

Cut out Reva as well and you get a movie that doesn’t split fans apart

[@mullaoslo]

@@johnnysparkle my bad reva was included and in the discard pile for me as well.. If the movie soly focused on Ben anikin and Luke's family... I think reva could have Come out of this unscathed if Disney didn't promote her like the star of the show before the show even aired.. Insted of having fans discover her on the show and think "ok she got potebtial to be cool" disney decided to tell us up from that we HAD to think she was super cool from the jump, they even had Ewan and Hayden talk her up in press when they know, and we know the only reason people tuned in was to see Obi Wan and Anakin go head to head one more time

[@andrewcabral963]

Except he never had a relationship with Leia it was just with Luke him and Leia don't even see each other again in A New Hope.

[@oliviarogers2808]

@@andrewcabral963 you know what I mean. Just this one rescue mission, and he never sees her again, still created something between the two of them that she thought about through to adulthood. When she needed a Jedi's help, she knew exactly who she needed to contact. Let's be honest going by your logic, he didn't have a "relationship" with Luke either till a New Hope. You can tell when he starts talking about him to Owen and Beru that he's met him but he doesn't really KNOW him. He's just a guy he knows is around.

[@mryoungandbrave1]

A fan actually edited this show down to a two hour movie and it's so much better, getting rid of most of what I didn't really like about this show and putting the focus where it should be. It's called the Patterson cut.

[@jorgeh.noratarriaga9241]

Where can I find it? I loved Obi-Wan, but I would love to see if it's better or not

[@TanmanC]

It was awesome to see Hayden Christensen back, I just wish they used him more

[@chasehedges6775]

He was OK

[@seanpatrickcain2]

We’ll see him again in Ahsoka

[@WalkerRileyMC]

I wish they had de-aged him. They really *really* expected us to believe he was still in his early twenties when he looked *older* than Ewan?

[@karlmaxey]

The dialogue between kenobi and Vader in the last episode really got me in the best way. But I think the show would've worked best as kenobi trying to work through his PTSD

[@dadocta5168]

Instead we got Reva: played by an actress so terrible she made Hayden Christensen look like Joaquin Phoenix by comparison.

[@SWProductions100]

@@dadocta5168 I only saw a few episodes, but I thought she did well in the last two. My theory is that the actress might require good directing to get the most of her performance...and unfortunately, I don't know how much the series had that 😬 (possibly due to being rushed, as Doug indicated). I think a chunk of the good acting came from actors who were already naturally good at acting.

[@Alvaro89Rus]

The idea of Kenobi having PTSD is laughable.

[@Mattadork]

@@Alvaro89Rus the idea of him not having it is laughable... not only did he fight in a bloody war where alot of his friends died, the person he loved died right in front of him without being able to save her, his entire world view and order got ripped apart from the inside, and he confronted and "killed" his best friend... idk how you wouldn't have ptsd after all that...

[@Alvaro89Rus]

@@Mattadork that's a thing about Obi-Wan. He was a model of jedi. Never broken.

[@ribottostudio]

Obi-Wan sneaking out Leia via trench coat is some shit Anakin and Ahsoka would do, with Obi-Wan just facepalming in the background.

[@Jesup1204]

Exactly and it didn’t work. They do eventually get caught.

[@ribottostudio]

@@Jesup1204 because Anakin is only a master at getting caught. 🤣

[@devilsvicar5770]

It's something Frank Drebin would do....

[@Cyro_2235]

@@Jesup1204 yeah, but not because they saw the trenchcoat. because it was the episode finale and Reva had to start the final battle. -.- writing reasons.

[@Jesup1204]

@@ribottostudio Anakin wasn’t there.

[@crithitjace]

Vader's voice was a blend of James Earl Jones and Hayden Christiansen. Actually a good way to show the evolution of Anakin to Vader and how he grew beyond Anakin.

[@davidstone281]

The best thing in this show was the fight between Vader and Kenobi in the last episode. As for the cutting of the helmet, Ahsoka cut the left side, Obi-Wan cut the right, Luke was the one who removed it entirely.

[@huntermatzer2430]

On the twenty-sixth day of Disneycember, Doug Walker gave to me: A movie turned miniseries, “God Bless You, James Gunn!”, Bruce Willis, a Kids’ WB show, a decent Guardians game, a city I want to live in, Boba Fett, Wes Anderson’s masterpiece, a heartfelt tribute, a Clone Wars follow-up, the best Ice Age movie, a confusing game series, Roger Rabbit 2, Thor’s creative bankruptcy, bad-ass history, Pixar’s biggest bomb, Marvel’s craziest ending, Blue Sky’s first sequel, Order Glitchy Glitch, a Zemeckis remake, the best Fox family, a Marvel horror movie, Domee Shi’s debut, one of my favorite Disney shows, Blue Sky’s first movie, and the best Spider-Man game ever!

[@trinaq]

Thanks for continuing this chain, it never loses creativity!

[@LooneyCartoonMan]

Lightyear did not fail entirely and Rescue Rangers movie is not Roger Rabbit 2 (which is in development hell by the way).

[@kdusel1991]

@@LooneyCartoonMan lightyear was still meh though.

[@shainewhite2781]

I know people have complained the the finale was not that good, I thought it was amazing to see Liam Neeson reprise his role in the series as Qui Gon Jinn, letting Obi Wan know that his journey is not over.

[@CrackerJack06]

Great. Key jingling to the audience always is remembered and not a cop out at all

[@Foreign_Candy]

@CrackerJack06 Pretty much this. No amount of key jingling will convince me that this was a good series (especially when I have to slog through the whole thing just to see someone reprise a role for 30 seconds at the very end).

[@Lukethefox]

Same. I waited years to see Qui-Gon as a Force Ghost.

[@emperorsean1]

"I was always there obi-wan but Disney wouldn't pay me more money to be in the show. They'd rather shoe horn me in the last 5 seconds for a pointless cameo and I still didn't get to show you how to become a force ghost". Qui-gon jinn.

[@emperorsean1]

@@Lukethefox what a waste of Liam Neeson

[@ZackaryBiagi]

This whole show was made worth it for those last 2 episodes (of course including that blatant rebels ripoff). But Jesus, that one prison break episode was the most filler episode I have seen in a long while. But I have 1 MAJOR problem with this show. I know it's now officially canon now, but I hate how Obi wan and Vader have a rematch let alone 2 in between revenge of the Sith and new hope. A part of me loves to think that the last time they saw each other, anakin almost died, and the next time they meet, obi wan is killed. The effect and feel of it just isn't there now because the show when vader says " I feel a presence. A presence I haven't felt since..." and just everything else they say in that doesn't have nearly as much of an effect

[@Trufflemaster]

There is a meaning for the mask, Obi-Wan slices the left, Ashoka slices the right, Luke removes the mask! (Someone made a point about this months ago)

[@ninjanibba4259]

No show is worth it for 2 episodes, especially when they make no sense Get better standards

[@robanah]

Don’t call that scene ripping off Rebels, think of it this way: Ahsoka breaks the right half of Vader’s helmet bringing out a bit of Anakin, ObiWan breaks the other half, once again bringing out a bit of Anakin… but only Luke was able to take off the whole thing, redeeming Vader and turning him back into Anakin. “It’s like poetry, it rhymes”

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

To me it was Reva. I mean after one mistake, Vader would've snapped her neck but for some reason, she keeps getting let off the hook to make more mistakes until she attacks Vader himself and then gets stabbed and yet is still alive. Also, she hates Anakin Skywalker who she knows is Darth Vader and wants to kill him so she joins the inquisitors that hate and want to kill the jedi. What?

[@dadocta5168]

Thankyou! Hardly anyone is talking about Reva in these comments for whatever reason :/

[@chasehedges6775]

Reva is the worst character and her actress is awful. Horrible performance

[@DDarkestKnight]

Like it was spelled out in the show: Reva was recruited by the Inquisitors because of the darkness in her, she realizes that Vader is Anakin and plans on killing him. She needs to get close so she rises up the ranks to bring him what he wants: Obi-Wan. Simple.

[@jlev1028]

@@DDarkestKnight You know what another definition for simple is? Stupid.

[@DDarkestKnight]

@@jlev1028 I didn't call anyone stupid so you better somewhere else with that!

[@myprecious66]

I don't think it was ripping the scene off, it was a mirror of that scene. When two people close to Anakin realized what he had truly become.

[@Ncholasbloom]

yeah only luke could turn him back not obi wan or ahsoka

[@noahdoucet3746]

I agree. Star wars has always mirrored itself

[@Donutello2018]

I agree Star Wars mirrors there stuff a lot and I don't have a problem with that. The issue is like Doug said, it was already done (and done better) and when you see this scene in Obi Wan, all you can think about is the scene with Ashoka and Vader. That scene was so powerful and emotional that trying to recreate that just makes the copy cat look dumb. Some things shouldn't be mirrored and I would say this was one of them. It would be like trying to mirror Vader's reveal of being Luke's Father. It won't be good because we already saw the best version first.

[@nightwish1453]

Reva though that was basically ripping off from fallen order and also done better there then here, It's said Reva had a few changes and said changes made her much less sympathetic then the show wants her to be and kind of selfish too, put two and two together it just feels underwhelming like the vader scene in rebels and then comparing it to kenobi which doesn't give any favors to kenobi

[@Wonkothenormal]

@@noahdoucet3746 yes indeed, it is like poetry it rhymes.

[@phatcrabmedia]

I like to think that the fight with Vader, while totally a ripoff of the fight from Rebels, also serves a narrative purpose. Each time before they fight, Asokha and Obi-Wan, two of the three most important people to Anakin, believed they could reach him, only to realize that Vader was all that remained. Hell, each fight even slashes the opposing half of Vader's mask. It was basically the last two people in the galaxy who had faith in Anakin, finally giving up.

[@sandrosliske]

I thought the child playing was phenomenal. I totally bought that this is how a young leia would act and talk.

[@sundhaug92]

Yeah. Consider how much her time is events with adults, being "proper", ....

[@joshuaoneal233]

That moment with Obi-Wan and Anakin with the fractured mask, I thought was handled good, plus it kind of explains why Kenobi chose to tell Luke later on what he told him was true from a certain point of view, because Vader said and I quote "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did. The same way I will destroy you." Also the idea of Vader having the left side of the mask destroyed was Obi-Wan tried reaching out to Anakin but he wasn't redeemed, Ahsoka took off the right side of Vader's mask and tried reaching out to him, and again not saved, but Luke took off Vader's whole mask in Return of the Jedi and Anakin was saved at that point. Also Vader has an arc in the series, look back at the Anakin's Jedi training and notice how he still has a need for victory and like his hatred it blinds him, and as he would say in A New Hope "When I left you, I was but a learner, now I am the master" plus couldn't how many times Vader had been beaten outside of this series, not counting Luke's fight with him in Episode 6. I could point out Obi-Wan's arc in this show, but I've rambled enough.

[@TheNorthie]

If Andor came out first, people would be harsher on Kenobi and Boba Fett.

[@motherplayer]

It's only really getting leeway simply because some people are happy to see the old actors feeling like they never slipped away or the press releases or this and that. Genuinely very little in the show actually works well.

[@nightwish1453]

And how it is now people have up and missed out on andor because of mediocrity of the boba and kenobi

[@alexanderguerrero347]

@@nightwish1453 missed out on Andor that’s exaggerated. It’s okay but there is no tension in it we know nothing will happen with Andor or mon motha yet they are the main characters in the story.

[@nightwish1453]

@@alexanderguerrero347 some star wars fans have decided to throw away their subscriptions as they did not like what came before and they expected andor to be of the same quality when it it didn't alot of them like how the dialogue ressembles the book adaptations with more grit. Andor does have tension but it's not through action sequences rather than it's character dialogue Mon Mothma was given more of a background and you can feel the tension of just her planning out the rebellion in secrecy and how some 1 to 1 conversations can make you invested like her interacting with her friend on asking for help on her bank accounts. One cool thing with how andor shows mon mothma is how they mention the rebellion are being strangled but they hold the knife to the empire, the scene where mon mothma's is given the option to have her daughter be used for an arranged marriage her reaction make it's look like someone is tighting their hand on her neck showing desperation and stripping everything for the rebellion

[@brianalambert1192]

SPOILERS I will say, any time Vader was on screen, I was loving it. He was ruthless, he was intimidating, he was petty, he was confident. His battle with Reva as far as I'm concerned is one of the best lightsaber fights I've ever seen, where she's not even a threat, he's just playing with his food. I'll also say that I actually liked Obi Wan's acting. He came across to me as a broken person. I also liked little Leia; heck my mother's of the opinion that she's one of the best child actors that she's seen in a while and my mother does not like child actors For me, the writing is what really fails here. This is a great setup (it does not bother me that it kind of creates plot holes in the original trilogy. Most of them I can explain away, some of them I cannot), it's just not utilized right. The Grand Inquisitor by all accounts should have been the main villain, maybe with Reva as his underling. Why bring this character into live action if you're not going to use him and then try and fake us out with his not death? Reva by all accounts is a complete waste of a character; it's not on the actress I hate how much hate she got, it's all on the writing. A youngling turned into an Inquisitor, you can really work with that. But instead she doesn't kill Luke when she has the chance and that somehow forgives the fact that she was going to torture a 10 year old the day before? You can take Reva out and the only change to the story would be who captures Leia (twice!) and you still could have used the Grand Inquisitor for that To me, I actually really liked the concept of this show, I just think it was a seriously missed opportunity to make something spectacular. I wanted this to be spectacular, I wanted this to be incredible. But it does feel rushed.

[@biffyqueen]

I called Reva's past pretty quickly but still found the idea fascinating. The actress was fine, I think a lot of the problems were with direction and writing rather than with her. The whole thing at the end though with Luke was just....weird and unnecessary .

[@Zach_TheGamer]

They needed to actually show Hayden’s face more and actually let him play Anakin rather than Darth Vader.

[@Zach_TheGamer]

@@scottneil1187 I know, but they should have had more flashback scenes. Specifically ones that take place during Clone Wars era. This was when Anakin and Obi Wan’s relationship was strongest. It would really show their brotherly relationship rather than as teacher and student.

[@omarreyes7626]

8:07 even in the legends continuity the emeperor never really cared about Obi-wan after he ascended to power, he saw an surviving Jedi as little threat to his rule he only cared about new force sensitives and the inspiration they could give to the rebellion.

[@786TGWGH]

Whenever it focused on the Prequel Characters and Ideas, it was great! When it focused on the new characters... Not so much.

[@38procentkrytyk]

They also do huge disservice to OT and other characters. They still push Leia everywhere I'm getting tired of her and she was already awesome. She was brave leader in war against corruption, strongheaded, quick thinking and supportive. Luke was only supportive all those things so they could use each other skills in full effect. Since Disney took over the IP they kept making Leia another Luke but better. Also the Empire in Disney version is pathetic, even in Andor they were turned into obviously evil faction when in reality Empire is everywhere so just by doing taxes you support the Empire. People who serve the Emperor often do not do it by choice. They choose by better of two evils. They really drained all the humanity out of it so we couldn't think Disney isn't similar to it.

[@killermoth9311]

This show really just exists to justify why Han and Leia would name their kid Ben.

[@chasehedges6775]

A mediocre show that is just there to tie up the mediocre sequel trilogy. That sounds about right

[@GabiBrooks]

@@chasehedges6775 😂👍👍👍

[@CrackerJack06]

@@chasehedges6775 Mediocre? You’re being far too kind. It was steaming pile of shit

[@hunterolaughlin]

Well, Leia I could understand, but Han I never understood. Especially if you watch A New Hope and see how Han and Obi-Wan pretty much interacted and Han’s subsequent treatment of him. It’s like naming your kid after your neighbor who you don’t get along with.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@hunterolaughlin If anything is Only because his wife liked that Name, and then Leía procedes to tell him the events of this show from her point of view

[@trinaq]

The performances were definitely the best part about the show, including the cameos during the finale. Not exactly a must watch, but worth it to see the cast reprising their roles.

[@chasehedges6775]

The cast was 10/10

[@officialmonarchmusic]

I’m glad the show exists, purely because we have John Williams’s new theme for Obi-Wan, Ewan’s performance, even young Leia, and nothing else

[@CrackerJack06]

@@officialmonarchmusic Tell me one good thing about Young Leia? Tell me how any of it made sense

[@jesterssketchbook]

@@CrackerJack06 idk how ppl can say its good either bro dont worry hahah

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Liam Neeson looked kinda lost in his cameo

[@msingleton]

Little Leia is the best part of this series! She acts and talks just like my daughter who is the same age, so I obviously found her completely believable and hilarious.

[@jorgecarrilloestrada]

The 3rd sister felt like a marvel villain...a bad marvel villain

[@chasehedges6775]

The villain from Thor 2, if we’re being more specific

[@Jenny_Metzelar]

On the 26th day of disneycember the nostalgia critic gave to me 26 Obi Wan’s wielding 25 guardians on Christmas 24 Bruce willis (Bruce willi?) acting 23 X Men evolving 22 starlords dancing 21 generic robots 20 boba fetts fighting 19 foxes heisting 18 fictional countries 17 rebels rebelling 16 dinosaurs dawning 15 interconnected stories 14 ugly Sonics 13 bad Thor movies 12 predators hunting 11 terrible plot twist 10 hulks at law 9 ice ages melting 8 glitchy soulsbornes 7 soulless puppets 6 ok burgers 5 mad multiverses 4 generational traumas 3 frogs adventuring 2 ice ages starting And Spider-Man swinging on a pear tree

[@jamesmoyner7499]

On the Twenty-Sixth Disneycember my Critic gave to me: Twenty-Six Un-Needed Series, Twenty-Five Christmas Groot Trees, Twenty-Four Bad Kid Actors, Twenty-Three Mutants Fighting, Twenty-Two Great Levels, Twenty-One Forgettable Characters, Twenty Wasted Opportunities, Nineteen Clever Foxes, Eighteen Black Panthers, Seventeen Annoying Droids, Sixteen Dinosaur Chases, Fifteen Story Paths, Fourteen Cartoon Cameos, Thirteen Scene Ruining Jokes, Twelve Awesome Warriors, Eleven Bad Fanfictions, Ten Awkward Cases, Nine Possum Jokes, Eight Glitchy Jedi, Seven Dead Eyed Puppets Six Decent Burgers, Five HORRIFIC DEATHS, Four Best Friends, Three Leaping Frogs, Two Quiet Moments, And a Spider Flying Round the City!

[@Kw3350]

I actually heard a lot of Carrie Fisher in kid Leia's vocal performance, but her physical acting really isn't there yet. I don't know if it was a coincidence or she was intentionally imitating Fisher's style of speech, but I really believed she was a young Leia. I also loved hearing James Earl Jones and Hayden Christensen's voices overlayed after the helmet was damaged. That really did give me chills. But the good moments don't outweigh the bad for me. I even like Book Of Boba Fett more than most seem to, but Kenobi was the first Disney+ series that disappointed me.

[@buck342443]

You also hear the voice of the original actor who played Anakin in Return Of The Jedi, which was a nice touch.

[@kieranhealy8279]

@@buck342443 really? When??

[@Kw3350]

@@buck342443 I'll have to rewatch the scene to see if I can catch it. Thanks for pointing that out!

[@buck342443]

@@Kw3350 It's very slight but you can hear it just at the end when Vader says "I did" and your welcome bro.

[@liveac3694]

The lack of de-aging in the flashbacks really stands out but the elephant in the room is the Grand Inquisitor. It looks like really cheap cosplay, they couldn't even get his head shape right. And why not bring back Jason Isaacs, who literally said he wanted to reprise the role in live action? Not to mention doing a fake out death with a character that we know survives until later in the timeline...

[@papal1500]

The problem with this show wasn't just the show, but how Disney and Lucasfilm responded to the legitimate criticism of this show. When people were pointing out how the main villain was bad, the company went to work on painting everyone as a racist, instead of accepting that maybe it wasn't good. When long time fans pointed out the flaws with the show, the official star wars Twitter account went to war with the fans. As if to say "We don't care what you think, go watch something else." This isn't my star wars anymore, and clearly the people in charge of it think so too.

[@audaciousjones]

the problem is that alot of fans will say woke when they see a dark skin woman cast in star wars. i see dudes already complaining about jodie turner smith being a main character in the acolyte show

[@papal1500]

@@audaciousjones Did anyone cry "woke" when they saw Mace Windu?

[@audaciousjones]

@@papal1500 woke wasn't a term used back in the 90s when sam jackson was cast in episode 1

[@audaciousjones]

@@papal1500 im not blaming most fans but there is definitely a vocal part of the anti-sjw crowd that cries woke whenever they see a dark skin female being represented

[@DDarkestKnight]

Well that's because those "fans" were being very racist and when they got called on it by Ewan McGregor and Moses Ingram they tried to rewrite the narrative. It was basically John Boyega all over again

[@Thunderlips-60602]

Doug, please, in Rebels Vader lost the right side of his mask and here it was the left side. Totally original.

[@samwitherington8202]

When the most Badass character in your Obi-Wan show is Uncle Ben.

[@jessedellross3245]

The final fight between obi wan and Vader is epic. And the ending where Vader had his mask half gone is just……chilling. “You didn’t kill Anakin skywalker…….I did.”

[@pillarsofsnow7940]

I do like that Ahsoka can remove half the mask, Obi-wan can remove the other half, but only Luke could take it off entirely

[@jac_238]

“Then my friend is lost”

[@CrackerJack06]

@@jac_238 So now, rather than kill you and save perhaps billions of lives from what you’ll do in the future, I’m just gonna walk away for no particular reason.

[@goodnesswhy]

Is it epic? I can't see anything lol.

[@StarRider587]

9:22 on one hand I love that they use light-up props for natural lighting instead of white sticks that don't cast any light resulting in lightless light swords, but on the other hand HOW DID THAT *BOUNCE* AGAINST STORMTROOPER ARMOR. Kenobi's using a lightsaber like a blunt weapon there.

[@ZoomerUnion]

Lightsabers bounce off of people all the time in the original trilogy

[@chasehedges6775]

This show was absolutely mediocre and forgettable but Ewan Mcgregor was fantastic, the girl who played Leia was fantastic and did a good job and Hayden was pretty decent.

[@trinaq]

Preach, it's worth watching solely for the performances, and seeing the actors return to their roles.

[@kdusel1991]

I thought it was fine But I agree. The performances were very good from all involved. Darth Vader is absolutely terrifying and badass in this

[@somerandolad]

Hayden Christensen's acting has definitely improved.

[@philippedefague3835]

You're honestly telling me the anakins "ghost" and the vader scenes weren't good?

[@chasehedges6775]

@@philippedefague3835 The scene with Anakin’s ghost was pretty well done.

[@thedisneynerd7866]

I Hope Everybody Had A Wonderful Christmas 🎅 On The Twenty Sixth Day Of Disneycember. The Critic Gave To Me: 26: Hello Theres 25: Home Invasions 24: Nervous Breakdowns 23: Mutant Armies 22: Drax's Singing 21: Inventive Robots 20: Like A Banthas 19: Foxes Stealing 18: Kingdoms Griefing 17: Blinded Jedi 16: Crazy Weasels 15: Prequel Stories 14: Copyright Infringements 13: Godly Asses 12: Comanche's Dying 11: Awful Plot Twists 10: Disney Sitcoms 9: Fire Kings 8: Annoying Glitches 7: Shitty Remakes 6: Buried Bodies 5: Cameos!!! 4: Horny Teens 3: Solid Seasons 2: Gay Rhinos And A Pigeon Being Chased By Spidey!

[@ilyasbasuki3207]

Okay, but the best part of the series was when Vader was busy pulling down a ship, and instead of sneaking up behind him and backstabbing him, Reva decided to wait until he was done, literally yell out her presence, and perform an overhead swing. C-3PO could have probably done a better assassination attempt.

[@watchforever1724]

Kinda unnecessary but it has a good moments but it’s hard to excuse those scenes

[@trinaq]

Preach, it's a decent watch solely to see the actors reprise their roles. I'm glad that I watched it.

[@watchforever1724]

@@trinaq I mean I wouldn’t rewatch it as much I’d probably skip through scenes now

[@watchforever1724]

@@bilbobaggins9451 i wasn’t expecting it to be great

[@chasehedges6775]

@@bilbobaggins9451👍👍. Sums it up very well.

[@alexiaNBC]

As bad as the story was, Ewan McGregor was great, I thought the actress playing a young Leia was doing great with what she was given, the final duel between Obi Wan and Vader was epic, and, of course, the "I'm sorry, Anakin" scene was very emotional.

[@SWProductions100]

"Anakin is gone. I'm what remains." "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker...I did." Whatever issue with the series, that was a great couple of lines.

[@alexiaNBC]

@@SWProductions100 Especially love when he said "I'm not your failure." As if Anakin/Vader had too much pride to see his fall to the Sith as a product of failure and that Obi Wan had any part in his transformation.

[@SWProductions100]

@@alexiaNBC I kind of like the line because Anakin is basically owning it, saying "I am my own person, and make my own decisions." Obi-Wan and external forces did greatly contribute to Anakin's fall, but Anakin himself played a role in it.

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

I loved it when they made Earl Jones and Haydens voice mix with Darth Vader

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

@@scottneil1187 Autocorrect ...

[@deadshot7062]

The one thing I do like about both scenes of Ahsoka and Darth Vader and Obi-Wan and Darth Vader is that there is a moment where they are talking to Anakin. Like when in rebels and he just says Ahsoka and has this look of pain that’s Anakin, and when Obi-Wan was telling him he’s sorry for what happened to him and he tells him “I am not your failure Obi-Wan, You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker…..I did.” I feel like a part of that is Anakin telling Obi-Wan that it’s not his fault. I feel like the show even makes it obvious because when he says that line the blue light of Obi-Wan’s lightsaber is hitting Darth but once he said he himself killed Anakin Obi’s Lightsaber turns off and the red lightsaber takes over. It’s like he lets out the little bit of good he had in him in both scenes it’s Darth trying kill the little good he has left.

[@wakeangel2001]

timeline wise this must take place roughly 5 years or so before Rebels, since Leia was in an episode of that series as a teenager, but frankly the best stuff from this series are things they took from the Rebels cartoon, like the inquisitors, Vader's helmet getting damaged, and people living under the empire.

[@Aziraphale686]

'We made it bad on purpose. You know, as a joke!"

[@JediDanD]

1:26 Oh look, it's Katara Peltz and Awng practicing their Waterbending before the Pyro Nation shows up :3 "Pyro Nation", because Pyro in the X-Men series can only bend the fire, he can't created it . . . :3

[@fizz576]

Something to keep in mind is the script was changed originally it was supposed to be about Obi-wan and Luke the other big changes where with Reva originally she didn't know darth vader was Anakin nor was she obsessed with finding Obi-wan because she blamed him for order 66 she was also supposed to be killed by darth vader. Personally even if these changes weren't made I still think the show would have had problems but I think it would have been better than what we got.

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

Also this was shot during the pandemic which must have caused extra stress on the filmmakers

[@spinlok3943]

I'm going to take a wild guess and assume it was Kathleen Kennedy's idea to change it from Luke to Leia?

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

@@spinlok3943 is it just me or has Lucasfilm tried to make Leia a far more significant character that what we eventually see her do in the sequel? I think in the original episode 9 script Leia was supposed to bring a lot of things full circle while Luke is completely sidelined. It's weird and truly believe it was inconsequential decision making when they really didn't have a clear idea ok how make it work

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

@@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast To be fair, Leia did kinda get the short end of the stick in the original trilogy. I mean, you had all that hype regarding “another hope” which Yoda speaks of, and yet nothing ever really became of it. It just sorta vanished. I can probably see why there’s been some attempts at making up for it.

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

@@geoffreyrichards6079 that I can agree with, however, that's something you would need to thoroughly plan out to make it work. Not wing it at the last minute. Also given the climate on how writers at Lucasfilm approach women characters as third wave feminists, bashing men and all that nonsense, I have a feeling that would slip into the Leia arc rather clumsily. However, I don't know if modern day Carrie Fisher could have pulled off. She didn't really improve nor matured as a dramatic actress.

[@SystemZ3RO]

A few Star Wars channels pointed out how Ashoka and Kenobi break opposites sides of his mask, symbolizing how they could only reach him half way but unable to bring him back to the dark. Also if you want to talk inconsistencies the original trilogy does that to itself plenty of times it makes the prequals look coherent.

[@hopemullinax6839]

I'm really interested to hear your thoughts about Andor. I'm hoping it's going to be at the end of Dinseycember, but I know you like doing shows once they're completed. With the show not back until 2024, I'm hoping you'll get in season one in there. Fingers crossed. Thanks for all the hard work, everyone!

[@michellecrocker2485]

I think this adventure establishes a motivation for Leia Naming her son Ben. Because as a kid, he literally saved her

[@firefliesowlcity12]

My least favorite part of the show was the 2 hour research binge I forced myself to go in order to figure out what Disney did to combine 3 different retcons to allow Qui-Gon to have a full force ghost instead of being limited to teaching Obi-Wan and Yoda through the force as a voice like he was in Clone Wars.

[@BugsyFoga]

“Hello there” - Obi wan

[@sidnew2739]

Really, Doug? You shit on McGregor and little Leia? They were both so good here!

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

To be honest, I didn’t think the continuity was that snarled between the miniseries and the original trilogy - especially when you factor in how Leia reacts to Obi-Wan as if she knew who he was when she gets rescued by Luke. It’s one of those details that Lucas kinda overlooked when trying to wrap up the prequels. And yeah, sneaking her out beneath a coat wasn’t the best idea, but Obi-Wan hasn’t exactly been the most subtle masters of disguise in other depictions. I mean, he snuck into the Death Star’s power reactor in nothing more than a robe while Luke and Han had to dawn Stormtrooper armor.

[@DefinitelyAPotato]

*don, not dawn.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

Spellchecker, I swear…

[@JanSternicki]

"Thankfully i already don't remember this"

[@Tadicuslegion78]

This show pissed me off to no end because apart from Obi Wan and Vader, this was some of the worst Star Wars outside the Sequel trilogy, death has no meaning when you get inquisitors getting stabbed in the guts by lightsabers over and over again and they just walk it off. Darth Vader, the guy who was executing officers left and right in Empire Strikes Back, naw he’s just gonna let the inquisitor who sucks at her job, intimidates no one, and tried to kill him, naw she just gets a pink slip and shoved out the door. I frigging hate Obi Wan’s show because he’s my favorite character and they gave him garbage

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Rewatch the series (if you dare) with the following in mind: According to Disney's own canon (the tv shows, Rebels, and novels) at this point in the story and time, Bail Organa is one of the leaders of the fledgling rebel alliance with hundreds of operatives at his disposal. He knows about Darth Vadar (not who he is but that he's a thing) and has conducted several operations against the Empire with the aid of a certain former Jedi, total black ops badass Ahsoka Tano. Now watch the series. That same Bail Organa sees Leia kidnapped and doesn't call Ahsoka. He doesn't utilize her intelligence network (the one he used to operate). He's presented as hapless, toothless, and helpless with no allies, resources, or means to react. Instead, he calls Kenobi, because "there's no one else." He never mentions Vadar to Kenobi despite their ability to COMMUNICATE FROM ACROSS THE GALAXY, neither before the series starts or after he's asked Kenobi to rescue Leia. He endangers Luke by dragging Kenobi off world. He never tells Kenobi "Hey... did you know Ahsoka's alive? That's neat!" or "Hey, y'know those Inquisitors that are hunting force sensitives? They might have a hand in this. Know who runs their operations? This dude called Vader. Scary guy. Popped up right after Order 66. Mostly a robot. Emperor's main enforcer. Handy with the force. Very powerful. Wild, huh?" And once the series is over... Sigh Once the series is over, rewatch A New Hope with the knowledge in mind that Princess Leia's family can REMOTELY COMMUNICATE WITH OBI-WAN KENOBI FROM ACROSS THE GALAXY. See what happens. This series doesnt deserve hate. It deserves to be ignored. Apathy all the way down. It's that bad and that careless. It gives you reasons not to care about Star Wars, because if you did care, it'd break your spirit.

[@jacktoma21]

From what I’ve gathered Vader’s voice is completely AI and James Earl Jones has sold the rights to use his voice to Disney. All in all, it sounds damn good and just like it did in the original trilogy

[@wingheart_]

So the Vader scene where his helmet is broken I think was done better in rebels because Ashoka didn’t know it was Anakin till she heard his voice and saw his face, many people dissected that scene and it was talked into great detail on why it was such a powerful scene, in this I think they wanted to try it again but because obiwan already knew it was anakin, it dorsn’t come off as that powerful or emotional, I say the thing I like the most was the Underground Railroad for the Jedi in Hidding, I’d love to see a series on that, seeing Jedi in hiding from the empire, and being hunted using this organization to stay hidden, it also shows how some people (despite their faults) fell like the Jedi are a beacon of hope, on a side note I did like the scene where you see the clone begging for money, it does show that the Jedi weren’t the only victims of the empire

[@louisduarte8763]

And the name drop for Quinlan Vos was a nice touch.

[@StarkMark2]

Point behind Kenobi seeing that half of his face and Ahsoka seeing the other half is that neither one could fully reach him, then you see Luke removes his helmet showing he did reach him. That's how me and other interpreted it anyway.

[@tinybee7780]

I'm glad that Doug brought up the trenchcoat thing. You know eventually someone will probably dress up like that in a Star Wars convention or event either as a parody or a serious cosplay and wouldn't feel out of place. I'm still dumbfounded that something like that happened in the Kenobi series. Also I forgot Doug played Jedi Fallen Order. 2nd Sister > 3rd Sister by a mile.

[@berunarudo3451]

I remember seeing articles saying that the show was done twice, one being more in focus of how Obiwan lives his life in the desert wacthing over Luke, but the producers tought it was too mature and wanted something for the kids, so after the show was done they scrapped and did what we got.

[@4-kathryn]

I'm curious if the fans will demand to see the first take, like what happened with The Justice League, Snyder cut.

[@jaydonmagan4694]

@@4-kathryn That will depend on how many Star Wars fans learn about the first take of the Obi-wan series. It will also depend on how stubborn Disney would be about it.

[@tortoiseoflegends4466]

Reva was such wasted potential. An Inquisitor who's almost faking being as ruthless and evil as she is, in order to get revenge on Vader? That's a fun idea. But then they sabatage that idea by making her willing to torture Leia. An original show actually about her, with decent and consistent writing? I'd be so up for that. Give us more detail on the Inquisitors, through the lense of a sympathetic character with personal stakes.

[@claytonrios1]

Well I'm glad Ewan McGregor has been making a return recently. Though I liked his role in Pinocchio a bit more than this.

[@chasehedges6775]

He deserves better

[@proteamdirector]

I truly couldn’t care less that rebels did the partial unmasking of Vader first. There was sooo much more weight behind Obi Wan and Vader’s exchange from that scene which (apart from the shaky cam) was done extremely well. “I am not your failure” is one of my fav lines from anything of Disney’s Star Wars.

[@captainvader921]

I honestly hated the scene at the end when Obi-Wan just leaves Vader there! First of all, he said he would do what he must, the same line he said when he fought Anakin the first time, but there, you could give him the benefit of the doubt because that fight ended with Anakin being burned by lava, so he could probably assume that he was killed there, but here, he knows he's alive, yet he just leaves him there, even though he knows that he's killed countless people, and will continue to do it if he doesn't do something! Second of all, this ruins the moment in Return of the Jedi when Obi-Wan tells Luke that he must kill Vader, in order to bring peace to the galaxy. Oh really, if that's true why didn't he do that when he had the chance!? The only reason I can think of for why this happened, is so it wouldn't mess up the continuity, because Vader needs to be alive in the Original Trilogy.

[@WalkerRileyMC]

They really really should not have had them meet. At all. There were a dozen and a half different ways to introduce that Obi-wan knew who Vader really was. Having a fight should not have been one of them.

[@louisduarte8763]

This show had good parts and bad parts, like Reva/The 3rd Sister. She fluctuated between whispering her lines and shouting them, coming off more comical than intimidating. I thought The Grand Inquisitor presented a more credible menace by not shouting his lines, but exuding confidence as a guy who gets results. And Vader was a BEAST here, in his 2 duels with Kenobi. While watching the 1st episode with my dad, I told him about the Inquisitors as they were landing in Mos Eisley, and we said "NOBODY EXPECTS THE IMPERIAL INQUISITION!" and skipped to the end of that bit: "Amongst out weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost-fanatical loyalty to the Emperor, and spinning red lightsabers. And sharp, black uniforms. Oh, damn!"

[@scottschiff327]

When the Inquisitors are more of a threat in Star Wars Rebels than in this production, you know something is wrong…

[@jongon0848]

I get that a lot of the writing and direction felt off but I still had a good time with this. Not great, but still fun.

[@kzarkage]

The last Star Wars project that captured the magic of the original trilogy was The Mandalorian

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍. Andor has done a good job so far as well

[@alexixeno4223]

I completely believe the sneaking out with the jacket thing. I can honestly see a few hundred stormtroopers JUST NOT CARING, that they are all so self absorbed in whatever task they are doing or They looked at them and went. "I'm not payed enough for that to question that."

[@mackenziecarver6807]

Isn’t there job to guard the facilities of the Empire? What good is guarding if u don’t point out what looks suspicious?

[@alexixeno4223]

@@mackenziecarver6807 And do you think they are treated well at their jobs? paid adequately? If you think No to either of those, then it doesn't matter what their job is, they aren't going to try and add work to their day and that means ignoring that odd sight in the middle of the secure base. If it was on the outskirts of the base, sure maybe, but in the middle. They are going to assume that someone else has already dealt with it. What am I basing this on? Working as a security dispatcher and seeing junk like this happening.

[@orange9280]

Doug acknowledging that Mr. Robot exists made me happy!!! I would love a video about the show !!

[@maxschechter4156]

I saw someone mention online that Obi-Wan was only able to remove half of the mask, and Ashoka was able to remove the other. Something about how both of them were only able to partially get through to Anakin, that only Luke was able to get the mask off fully and redeem him.

[@WalkerRileyMC]

Yes, that is the blatantly obvious subtext those scenes represented.

[@Patino_art_channel]

Its a good thing that after this show we had tales of the Jedi and everything feel okay again.

[@teneesh3376]

I think we've grown as a species where we don't bully kid actors for a bad performance. At least I hope so. Cause I don't want another kid Anakin situation. And good on you Doug for hoping she has a good career

[@TheZerox500]

I thought this show was awful. So many things don't make sense that I'm sure Doug didn't have time to mention. Like how does Reva survive being stabbed with a lightsaber on two different occasions when Qui Gon was stabbed once and died soon after. Why is Obi Wan so weak? Why did Obi Wan completely abandon Luke when it wasn't even his responsibility to look after Leia anyway. Speaking of which, why does Luke have very little impact in the show after the first episode? Actually, the answer is that Kathleen Kennedy's Lucasfilm doesn't like Luke at all and rewrote the show because he was originally the man child star, not Leia. How does Obi Wan not know that Vader survived after Episode 3? You'd think someone would give him a head up after 10 years. And most importantly, Obi Wan did not feel like the Obi Wan of either the Prequel or Original Trilogies. Much like Luke did not feel like Luke Skywalker at all in the Last Jedi. This show sucked.

[@KoopySandwiches]

I felt like Darth Vader was done badly. The whole James Earl Jones AI-generated voice was distracting and creepy, and bringing Hayden back to play him is wasted considering most of the time it’s a stuntman in the suit by necessity. He should have just stuck to playing his pre-Vader version and when Vader’s face is seen.

[@boosterseat9967]

Gonna be honest. This is some of the most brutal Vader we’ve seen in anything. I loved it.

[@ericgeddes3353]

The only thing I thought this show improved over all was Uncle Owen really caring about and protecting Luke. I actually cared about him because of how he put his life on the line. Reva says You care about the boy like he's your own. Owen He is my own. The way he said that one and the majority of his lines really made me like him.

[@mocha9072]

How can you not even mention the ending fight between Obi-Wan and Vader? That alone made the whole series worth it

[@jaydonmagan4694]

I imagine it’s because Doug didn’t think the second fight between them in the show was needed, just like what he said about how the first fight between them in the show wasn’t needed. He did basically say those fights between Vader and Obi-wan in the show did break the canon of them only last seeing each other on Mustafar. It was either that, or he forgot about it when wrapping things up for the rundown.

[@countdooku7152]

Still think this should have been a movie instead of a miniseries. Plus, this show felt a little bit cheap compared to other Star Wars productions. You couldn’t spend the money to de-age Hayden Christensen just a little bit?

[@motor4X4kombat]

On the 26th day of disneycember the critic gave for me: 26 "Hello there" memes 25 plastic elfs 24 childhood memories 23 mutant powers 22 80's walkmans 21 rusty gears 20 zzzzzzzzzzzzzz 19 quirky animals 18 hidden cultures 17 Imperial fighters 16 T-rex eggs 15 Keyblade swords 14 cartoon actors 13 killable gods 12 hunting gadgets 11 time jump ins 10 broken walls 9 extinct species 8 lightsaber customs 7 CG horseshits 6 untasty burgers FIVE MULTIVERSES 4 red pandas 3 talking frogs 2 ice craking nuts and an amazing superhero game for me

[@darthgoku90]

Well I thought Ewan McGregor's acting in the mini-series was just as great as it was in the movies. And just about everyone of Darth Vader's scenes were amazing. Also the final scene between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan was really heartwarming for me. Yeah there were some problems, like how they seemingly nerfed the fatality of getting stabbed by a lightsaber, but hey Star Wars has had a history of flaws in just about every movie since even Return of the Jedi (i.e. the Ewoks, the second Death Star) yet most of them still have just about as much good qualities that balance it out and I feel the same way for this mini-series. Anyway, the franchise has such a big fanbase that it's pretty much impossible to please everyone.

[@michellecrocker2485]

I loved 8 year old Leia. Even as a kid, she was a sassy little rebel

[@carlotta4th]

I thought Leia being a bit of a precocious spoiled brat worked perfectly for her! Sure some scenes didn't work... but most did for me. Bad writing, good child Leia acting.

[@Bryan-dr5qy]

I was always bugged by Vader's line to Luke in Return of the Jedi: "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" In Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan never even tried to reach out. I'm glad he did have that moment with Vader in this show.

[@jlev1028]

I think a better interpretation would be the Auralnauts version.

[@DiabloSandwich59]

Of all the Disney SW properties, I think this is the biggest insult to everything Lucas established.

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍. Yep, it sure is

[@joshuamerriweather2861]

The only thing I hated about this show was how inhuman and hateful the Star Wars fandom was toward the actress who played Reva the 3rd Sister. It was like the fans were actual Sith

[@jlev1028]

I don't hate the actress, but her character was badly written and unconvincing.

[@franciscotapia9682]

Wingull:Only 4 more days, they better have rio on any of them

[@matthewmuir8884]

I had been looking forward to the idea of an Obi-Wan spin-off for a long time, so it says a lot about how badly Disney has mishandled Star Wars that, when the Obi-Wan series finally released after years of Disney promising it would happen, I really did not want to watch it, as I didn't want to be disappointed.

[@Darkness1984]

Wasnt the leia actress the one thing everyone loved about this show?

[@redalert923]

Seeing vader in this series was awesome. Now I want a series about Vader you know like inspiration to his comic series or maybe like invincible

[@michaelgualtieri651]

I honestly thought this show was pretty well. But the only thing I didn't care for was the Obi-Wan and Leia dynamic. It wasn't bad exactly, but we were seeing it already in other shows. Din Djarin & Grogu, Hunter & Omega. We already had two shows were a hero was trying to protect a child like character from the Empire while also balancing to be good moral figures to said child.

[@mibevan]

2:39 "Years ago you served my father in the clone wars" Leah was trying to convince Obi-wan to assist the rebellion like he did in the clone wars by delivering the plans to alderman. she's just referring to his past actions. 2:46 "When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." You claim that he was already "The Master" but no Vader did win at first but he was still learning his abilities. even if that isn't the case he still did lose to Obi-Wan in the end. I think that was more towards him describing himself as inferior when he last fought obi-wan. 2:50 I think Tarken was assuming he was dead after all those years of absence. Keep In mind This series took place not too long after Revenge of the Sith. So I think he was saying something more along the lines of "After all these years I assume he'd be dead by now"

[@starkilr101]

The benefit to this show is Vader’s construction, Hayden (Naturally) and Vader being Vader like he is in Rebels, games and the comics

[@ponygon777]

I personally enjoyed the Obi Wan SHow but I agree on the movie to TV conversion. I feel like they did this not only to reduce expenses but to capitalize on Mandalorian's success, hence why it feels so rushed. However the "Farewell, Darth" moment got me.

[@JaredGriffiths2000]

He says it's rare for a whole season to be by the same director. I guess it's rare for American television but not so much for British television.

[@vjbd2757]

Removing Reva from this show drastically improves it.

[@HurricaneDDragon]

At least they finally did something right with Andor.

[@KetwunsGamingPad]

Yeah, but it did take a while half way. I would have condensed the first half by half easily.

[@HurricaneDDragon]

@@KetwunsGamingPad Dude, that show does not need to be touched. It’s basically perfect in terms of pacing and structure.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@HurricaneDDragon It's the best SW content.