2005 Ingenium vs 2008 Champion 4

These toilets are both good performers but the Ingenium is the winner. The flush on it is also very good but the flush on the Champion 4 leaves stuff behind which is unacceptable for any toilet. If I flush a toilet after using it, I expect it to remove what I put in it in one flush. The Champion 4 takes multiple flushes to completely clear the bowl which is unacceptable like I said before. I respect your opinion if you like them but they are pieces of junk imo. Please let me know if you'd like to see any more tests on these toilets. Also I forgot to mention that neither of them have any mineral buildup.
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Ingenium Rating: (A)
Champion 4 Rating: (F+)
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A Ratings (Best of the Best):
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💎: Best Toilet/Urinal Ever
A+: EPIC
A: Amazing
A-: Awesome
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B Ratings:
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B+: Great
B: Good
B-: Decent
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C Ratings:
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C+: Tolerable
C: Mediocre
C-: Junky
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E Ratings:
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E+ Bad
E: Horrible
E-: Intolerable
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F Ratings:
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F+: Worthless
F: Appalling
F-: Absolute Trash
🖕: Worst Toilet/Urinal Ever

[@alecfrancis628]

The Ingeniums & Hymont-trap Altos are 2 of my favorite 1.6- gpf toilets ever, since their nice, long, & swirly flush strongly reminds me of the good old 3.5+ gpf era, just with a shorter flush! I absolutely LOVE how the Ingeniums & Hymont-trap Altos both have great bowl rinse, really do their jobs well, & rarely ever leave stuff behind, even when you go #2 in them or if you don’t hold the handle down (without the flapper closing too soon of course)! So many modern toilets, like Kohler Class 5s/6s, Toto Drakes, 2000s AS Cadet 3s, 2000s AS Champion 4s, AS Cadet Pros/Champion Pros/Champion 4 Max’s, Westerns, Glacier Bays, ProFlos, Niza Pros, Niagara Stealths, & all PA (pressure assisted) toilets often have short flushes, very bad bowl rinse, leave stuff behind so much, & never really do their jobs no matter how many times you flush them, which is especially a problem when you take a huge dump in them!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Ingeniums are definitely one of my favorites

[@alecfrancis628]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations My friend, Sofia’s house has a 2000s elongated Gerber Maxwell & a round bowl 1997-2003 Kohler Wellworth Ingenium. One of my dad’s friends, Sridhar’s house has 2 2008-2014 elongated Kohler Cimarron Class 5s & 1 1999-2003 standard height elongated AS Cadet AquaForce! When I flushed the Cadet AquaForce & 2000s Maxwell, they had very long, good, & swirly flushes, even though I didn’t hold the handle down!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@alecfrancis628 Nice except for the Cimarrons.

[@ASF.Plumbing]

The most iconic thing is I’m sitting on a Ingenium while I’m watching this video

[@CARma193]

Lol😂

[@nickychannel6583]

9:21 is my Favorite!

[@nicky5921]

It's my favorite too!!! :)

[@forever_3624]

It’s weird how the Ingenuim can’t take a dish towel, but it can take a dish towel, and a rag- 💀✋

[@nicky5921]

7:44 Is also my favorite part

[@mhtube01]

Interesting, that Champion doesn't seem to be flushing correctly with that flapper. My parents house has 3 Champion toilets and they have never clogged. Two are the original Champions from around 2005, although the original flush towers have been replaced with the newer Champ 4 valve. The other is an actually Champion 4 from 2013 so still a 1.6 gpf. At my house, I have a Champion 4 Max (meaning 1.28 gpf) and it works fine, but it's definitely inferior to the older Champions.

[@pinkcrochet8562]

These are both amazing

[@CARma193]

That champion has a flushing error😂

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yeah, those toilets were awful.

[@dashflashplumbing8079]

I like the ingenium honestly but just because it’s round I like the champion Sorry OCC plumbing if I offend anyone or you And that champion flush has to be ruined because my champion from 2008 flushes great and my ingenium does too (ingenium is fine)

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Your opinion doesn't offend me.

[@zlurenke4911]

With the champion toilet it’s not it’s fault that they set the waterline low but it always need to be held or filled to the overflow tube

[@nicky5921]

The Ingenium is a good performer Even if it didn't fail any Test In my opinion. All of those Ingeniums are better Then the champion 4.

[@xx_aubrey_gl_xx8337]

I love this.

[@cameraredeye3115]

Should have done an elongated Ingenium just to make it more fair. Also more realistic tests, because these tests are very unrealistic. The Ingenium had an unfair advantage in this one.

[@nicky5921]

9:21 Is my favorite part 7:37 Is also my favorite part

[@OhioAhhPlumbing]

Your toilet vs Turboflex toilet💀💀

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Which is the Turboflex?

[@OhioAhhPlumbing]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations champion

[@dianmanalo3280]

You'll notice the flappers

[@lance2152]

its dissapointing that an elongated toilet got outpreformed by a round toilet

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

That typically happens with Kohler toilets for some reason

[@darfieldzone5309]

I’m surprised for the results on these.

[@tomorrow7988]

2005 Kohler wellorth Ingenium is the best!!

[@myverycooler1552]

The wellworth is beautiful but the champion 4 is sucks

[@nicky5921]

The 2005 Kohler Wellworth ingenium Takes the win On these tests the ingenium is a better performer than champion 4 and the ingenium Is the better flusher I have a older Ingenium its the 1998 Kohler wellworth Ingenium !

[@charlesrodriguez7984]

Both are good imo but the ingenious takes the cake 🧁

[@SCbusloverevelyn4247]

Ingenium > champion 4 performance wise

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Agreed

[@nicky5921]

I like the wellworths fill up sound of that fill value

[@mylesbuckley1229]

The first one

[@jonathanproductionssenecha7710]

If clog then one toilet fails

[@eljersareamazing3954]

I may not like ingeniums but this one did great. The champion sucks

[@none-xk9mn]

YESSSSS! KOHLER WELLWORTH WON!

[@sonyfan6984]

I hate both of them but the Ingenium takes the win on this one.

[@lance2152]

i thought you likes ingenoums

[@cooperschwartz318]

Ingenious Ingenium wins

[@mablepaynemp]

the champion 4 is no match for the ingenium

[@nickdrew7841]

to be honest both didn't do too good imo. the ingenium did better tho. i think they need to be tested with more real world type tests rather than grocery bags and rags imo to fully gage their performance.

[@charlesrodriguez7984]

@@thetoiletfrenzy same here

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

But what would I use?

[@charlesrodriguez7984]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations hard clumps of dirt with loose dirt and 🧻

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@thetoiletfrenzy My mom makes banana bread with those

[@McPikeVHS]

Agreed

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

The Ingenium is definitely better

[@dexterthewulf3637]

The champion was ironically NOT the champion...

[@erikbunty2016]

I thought that could flush golf balls.

[@nstrains4001]

Cedat 3 vs champion 4

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I don't have either right now.

[@nstrains4001]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations I have a cadet 3 but not a champion

[@kohlerwellworth]

Were these the two worst toilets you had?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

No, They're both toilets that some people think are amazing so I decided to put them up against each other

[@benwisely5962]

I like the Ingenium better and I had one of my old house which was like a 2004 2005 model

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Same

[@erickmorton8085]

I prefer the champion

[@richardedmiston3756]

I'll tell you something right now, I bought an elongated toilet for 100 dollars and it flushes better than Kohler or American Standard period.

[@richardedmiston3756]

@@thetoiletfrenzy Absolutely

[@richardedmiston3756]

@@thetoiletfrenzy what do you mean?

[@richardedmiston3756]

@@thetoiletfrenzy oh yeah, yeah sorry about that man.

[@richardedmiston3756]

@@thetoiletfrenzy It's a great flushing toilet man, can't go wrong

[@andrewplumbingtoiletsandot1092]

The champion 4 is American standard awful