Jörmungandr | Nature's Wrath

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Ocean Keltoi

Ocean Keltoi

Күн бұрын

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@PaganPanda
@PaganPanda Жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I believe that Loki and his children are not evil. I work with Hel; some may say she is evil, but I say she cares far more than people think she does and for both the dead and the living. What we humans see as evil today is influenced by the rise of Christianity in the first century AD.
@ApoloVolturi
@ApoloVolturi 11 ай бұрын
👏🏻👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
👏 👏
@robertarnold6192
@robertarnold6192 6 ай бұрын
I think it’s an intentionally ambiguous thing on the part of the Eddas. The children of Loki were not monsters until they were prophesied to be such, feared, and abused, untimately driving them to become monsters and fulfill the Ragnarok prophecy. I think Fenrir’s story is especially exemplary of this.
@Kingrobledojr
@Kingrobledojr 4 ай бұрын
yeah fuck the Christian faith in the US they make ANYTHING evil but they themselves are evil hail to Norse Paganism skål
@kranx2690
@kranx2690 3 ай бұрын
I found out that hypothetically unborn child go with her and are taken care of. Idk how true it is but it brought me a lot of comfort
@draug7966
@draug7966 Жыл бұрын
The idea of Jörmungandr as a protector of nature and thereby also an indirect protector of mankind really resonates, especially in this day and age. Mankind left completely unchecked will just devour nature until there is nothing left, and without nature we can't survive to begin with.
@lindagale4277
@lindagale4277 Жыл бұрын
yes! absolutely how i see it . i could be wrong of course.
@SingSumKun
@SingSumKun 9 ай бұрын
Agree.
@torvallokison8965
@torvallokison8965 Жыл бұрын
"All cats have a non-zero chance of being Jormangandr." T-shirt please!
@sarahsibley9355
@sarahsibley9355 Жыл бұрын
I named my kitten after Jörmungandr. Before I even knew I was getting a cat, whenever I would meditate I would always end up with that section of Thor trying to lift the cat. The first time I saw my cat, he looked at me, put his tail in his mouth, and the name stuck as we found out he likes the bathtub. Once he’s done growing I’m going to make a cat bed out of a globe, much to only my amusement it seems. 😂
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi Жыл бұрын
THIS IS AMAZING thank you so much for sharing this
@halley8105
@halley8105 Жыл бұрын
I love that. Tell your kitty I love him
@WheatDos
@WheatDos 4 ай бұрын
Just don't throw him into the sea, a giant Jörmungandr encircling the world would make navigation difficult.
@sarahsibley9355
@sarahsibley9355 3 ай бұрын
@@WheatDos especially with him pawing at the boats
@thenightqueen0
@thenightqueen0 Жыл бұрын
"I'm a skald and f*ck you, that's what." *The witch in the corner smiles eerily in his direction*
@ssanhayeob
@ssanhayeob Жыл бұрын
As a heathen who mainly worships Loki, I like to believe that his offspring represent both change and balance, just as he does in myths, so this take seems really close to my beliefs. Great video as always!
@thenorseprincedarksavior7536
@thenorseprincedarksavior7536 Жыл бұрын
@Brothers-10-10
@Brothers-10-10 Жыл бұрын
What is Odin force according Norse mythology ? I just want to know
@ninerealms69
@ninerealms69 Жыл бұрын
Why do you worship him?
@grandmas_bravest_boy
@grandmas_bravest_boy Жыл бұрын
@@crushinnihilismhey man maybe u should let them worship how they want
@Holmesson
@Holmesson 9 ай бұрын
​@@Brothers-10-10 The Odin Force is a vast cosmic power granted to Allfathers of the Asgardians in Marvel comics. The Odin Force doesn't exist in our mythology. It's a creation of Marvel comics writers.
@MidgardMusings
@MidgardMusings Жыл бұрын
*Takes a shot every time Ocean says "Jörmungandr". *Dies in the first minute and 30 seconds.
@seafoxx777
@seafoxx777 Жыл бұрын
As someone who works in shark conservation and is a pagan, Jormungandr has a very special place in my heart💙 he truly represents the dark side of nature that actually is what gives life and holds balance! Besides, the demonization of trickster deities (Loki isn’t the only one that gets this treatment…) is such an odd concept to begin with because they are the ones that always put things into motion. Good or bad, nothing happens without going through the trickster first!
@jmfana9154
@jmfana9154 Жыл бұрын
Big agree. I actually think “Catalyst” might be a better title than “Trickster” for many
@otterheart3844
@otterheart3844 Жыл бұрын
I read a whole thing once about the christain god could also be called a trickster
@jaelmoray
@jaelmoray Жыл бұрын
"Meow, meow, me-meow, meow, I'm not a snake; cat." Beautiful line. XD Seriously though, this was a fabulous video, Ocean!
@KveldulfSnowbear
@KveldulfSnowbear Жыл бұрын
This is the best line!
@thecartoonheathen1659
@thecartoonheathen1659 Жыл бұрын
Hymir: *cuts a fishing line* Thor: *P E R I S H*
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi Жыл бұрын
Okay i lol’d at this
@thecartoonheathen1659
@thecartoonheathen1659 Жыл бұрын
@@OceanKeltoi all in a day's work
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
Lol
@PileOfAnts
@PileOfAnts Жыл бұрын
“Jörmy the stormy wormy did himself a squirmy and Thor killed him” I’m dyingg lmaoo
@FreakyGremlinDK
@FreakyGremlinDK Жыл бұрын
I really like this idea and it sounds like the right one to me too, now that i've listened to this video. It also makes it a symbolic warning that Thor dealt the deathblow. Thor, the defender of mankind, represents humans, kills Jormungandr, who represents nature, for then to die shortly after. If humans kills nature, it wouldn't take long for humans to die out shortly after.
@boredmarshmallo4223
@boredmarshmallo4223 Жыл бұрын
My cat also says "meow meow meow I'm not a snake meow" I think I should take him to the vet
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
Good luck lifting him in his carrier. 😋
@SneakyCoyoteProductions
@SneakyCoyoteProductions Жыл бұрын
Okay, I need "All Cats have a greater than 0% chance of being Jormungandr" on something STAT. I've worked with Jormungandr a LOT. I have a specific meditation with him about sinking into his coils for comfort and protection. I also invoke him as part of circle casting, literally asking him to encircle my ritual space as a protective barrier. Love the work you did in this vid! It's good to hear another Heathen who has a similar take on my favorite danger noodle!
@Helgrier
@Helgrier Жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always, its nice to see the children of Loki talked about in a positive light and not straight up Satanized. And my new favorite Ocean line is in this video
@barretthoven
@barretthoven Жыл бұрын
Is it "Jormy the Stormy Wormy did a squirmy and then Thor killed him. What now? What. Now??? I'm a skald so fuck you thats what"? cause that's my favorite now lmao
@Helgrier
@Helgrier Жыл бұрын
@@barretthoven Im a skald, I laughed so hard at that line
@thenorseprincedarksavior7536
@thenorseprincedarksavior7536 Жыл бұрын
😮
@thefatalcarrot8457
@thefatalcarrot8457 Жыл бұрын
I love these stories. Here, people ride lightning bolts and serpents curl around the world in protective embrace. All of it cast across our thoughts in light and shadow. A tale told by fireside from somewhere long ago. Food for my soul, if soul there be. Down to the marrow, thank you, Ocean.
@ryanmatthews2068
@ryanmatthews2068 Жыл бұрын
The three children of Loki have always been some of my favorite stories. Your videos bring so much to them that I could see myself having a meal with them as people. Thank you.
@catcacher
@catcacher Жыл бұрын
3? Jörmundgander, Fenrir, Hel, Sleipnir… I’ve got at least 4?
@ryanmatthews2068
@ryanmatthews2068 Жыл бұрын
@Cat N’Hat I think there are 6 total, but the 3, Hel, Fenrir, and Jörmungandr, are the ones I knew of growing up
@milesfromnowhere1985
@milesfromnowhere1985 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Ocean, in the full depth of that word. Once again, you've expanded my ideas of what my practice can contain. I've never seen any reason to exclude jötnar or other 'taboo' entities in my worship, but I never had much reasoning to include Jormungandr until right freaking now. It makes so much sense the way you've put this. I thank you so much for your deep dives on the more villainized dieties of the heathen world. You're the best, Ocean, keep up the good work.
@Brothers-10-10
@Brothers-10-10 Жыл бұрын
God of War game has insulted your gods so why don't you oppose it ? I just want to know
@milesfromnowhere1985
@milesfromnowhere1985 Жыл бұрын
I'm not of the opinion that my gods have such fragile egos that they'd be offended by a videogame
@ocelotlmunoz2799
@ocelotlmunoz2799 Жыл бұрын
As the token Jörm worshipper in my heathen circle, I can't even express how much I love this video. Hit the nail right on the head and even gave me some more to think about wrt the norse having more cause to favor Thor due to their context. My own UPG has also associated Jörmundangr with labradorite stones because they shimmer like how his scales are described, and can often be found in a tear drop/scale like shape. Thanks for your work as always! 🌊🐍
@bigglesofthebean4222
@bigglesofthebean4222 Жыл бұрын
So I have a question for you, I've always been a heathen in a way but only just started highly embracing it in the last year or so and I worship mostly nature, I am a worshipper of freyja but I would like to know, how would I worship jormungandr?
@ashtonraether5215
@ashtonraether5215 Жыл бұрын
Where is it described that his scales shine like labradorite? I have always affiliated it with him, even seen him with such scales in my dreams but never actually read anything thaat indicated that.
@keaganwheeler-mccann8565
@keaganwheeler-mccann8565 Жыл бұрын
I am very much drawn to the dieties in functionally eternal opposition in complimentary ways. Your use of the phrase of living myth reminds me of the saying that myth is not ancient history, but repeating stories.
@keaganwheeler-mccann8565
@keaganwheeler-mccann8565 Жыл бұрын
I couldn't find the source of the quote. Too tired. Thanks for the video!
@Lotan_
@Lotan_ Жыл бұрын
The description of Jormungandr as a "shining serpent" is quite interesting, because the same description is used for Leviathan, as well as his older identity, Lotan iirc. Honestly, if the Chaos Serpents represent the opposite of the archetypal sky father's "virtues", then they can't be that bad. Especially my namesake, given who he stood against.
@mjc4603
@mjc4603 Жыл бұрын
Okay but why is this my favorite pun you’ve ever done?
@Writh811
@Writh811 Жыл бұрын
The idea of Jormungandr being a protector of the earth itself is fascinating. It also pretty much means Odin wasn't exiling Loki's evil children, he was entrusting Loki's children to protect vital aspects of reality. Fenrir in that context may have been brought to Asgard to serve as its protector.
@rae8013
@rae8013 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the work you've put into this and all the figures seen as 'evil'. I love the nuance that you provide and why they're all worthy of worship even if they historically weren't.
@ruggednerd263
@ruggednerd263 Жыл бұрын
Ocean you are such a fucking gift to us! Ive been trying to reconcile the kennings that suggest both Thor and Jorm are protectors of Midgard for a bit. As someone who also has all the "stormy boys" on his altar your interpretation of protective powers in tension is my making my morning.
@morlath4767
@morlath4767 Жыл бұрын
That look when Ocean knows just how bad what he's about to say is...followed up by another fantastic video! And have I mentioned how much I love the editor's rapid comments? Ale Yeah!
@kevincrady2831
@kevincrady2831 Жыл бұрын
He probably got the Yourmomgander a lot for his puns as a kid. 🤣
@K_E_Robin
@K_E_Robin Ай бұрын
I love that kenning you mentioned: "Necklace of the Earth". It has a sublime ring to it.
@strandedinseattle9931
@strandedinseattle9931 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the amazing, informative video. Examining Jormungandr as nature's wrath gave me reason to pause. I recently had a minor revelation that there is potential for many folklore 'monsters' or 'demons' or whathaveyou to have been miscast in human tales as they were quite possibly just defending themselves, their homes, the things they care for. This goes for more than Norse beliefs.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa Жыл бұрын
Ragnarok is a self fulfilling prophecy. The Aesir treated damn near everyone as a potential threat, decided to deal with the problem by launching pre-emptive strikes, then act surprised and outraged when the Nine Realms finally retaliate.
@Moss_196
@Moss_196 Жыл бұрын
"Nyan nya nya nya nyan, I'm not a snake meow" is now my favorite quote XD
@northp_the_green_pale_pete
@northp_the_green_pale_pete Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video, Ocean. Similar to Fenrir, Jormungandr is a deity I've been drawn to in the past, and even empathised with. At the same time, I've never considered including him in my hearth cult. Your interpretation might have just changed my mind, however, and given me reason to explore that idea for myself. Thanks for putting this video out!
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen Жыл бұрын
>Jormy the Stormy Wormy Boi >Stormybois Ocean is basically the pagan community’s resident shitposter and I love it.
@GingerOtter13
@GingerOtter13 Жыл бұрын
THIS! YES! Jormungandr and Thor both protecting Midgard in their own way perfectly fits within my own beliefs, bith scientific and personal religious beliefs. Plus, being a paleontologist, I have quite the soft spot for Jormungandr. He is best snake boi.
@weenug489
@weenug489 Жыл бұрын
I will now always refer to Jörmungandr as "Jörmy Stormy Wormy" 😂
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen Жыл бұрын
I honestly love your approach to video making. Not many other pagan content creators dive so throughly into the nuance of Heathenry and its mythology. And that nuance is just another reason I love this faith and community so much. I always come away from your videos with a new perspective that I never even thought of. The Christian concept of the Nephilim and their apparent similarity to the Norse concept of the Jotnar isn’t lost on me. I honestly love reading the Bible(including, and maybe even especially, its “lost” books) like I read pagan mythology now, it’s so much more enjoyable and appreciate-able if you don’t look at it like how Christians often tell you to read it and just look at it like any other collection of religious or spiritual mythology. I’ve even seen people propose that the Nephilim themselves could be a bastardization/demonization of Canaanite nobility or the children of an Israelite parent and a Canaanite parent, a forbidden union under the Mosaic law. So naturally, the Bible/Torah would demonize them. Also… if some Heathens got together and formed an Earth, Wind, and Fire tribute/cover band… don’t you think it’d be named Jorðr, Kari, and Logi? :P 🍁🕺🪩🍂
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
Brilliant
@hrodvitnir7524
@hrodvitnir7524 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I like the protector vs protector idea as well as the comparison between viking age heathens and modern days heathens.
@daniellewalker1953
@daniellewalker1953 Жыл бұрын
Great video! For Jormungandr the thing that had always resonated for me was that he wrapped around Midgard, which I viewed in a sense as holding the world together. This take is fitting to how I felt about Jormungander but didn't have words for. It is fitting that Thor represents humanity with how destructive he can be at times. And I totally see jormungander similar to nature in the sense that it is massive and would feel immovable as a whole. Also when humanity has done enough damage and it did finally raise its head against you... bad news bears.
@bramblebear3121
@bramblebear3121 Жыл бұрын
I have a Thor statue and shed snakeskin on my altar. ⚡🐍 Always enjoy your vids.
@mj9483
@mj9483 Жыл бұрын
So basically Jormungandr was the Norse way of saying "Nature is metal"
@UllyrWuldan
@UllyrWuldan Жыл бұрын
That completely changed my perception of Jormungandr.
@ragiironshield
@ragiironshield Жыл бұрын
I never thought of Jormungandr like this. I didn't think of him as anything other than a constant obstacle for Thor. Honestly, this makes a lot more sense to me. Great video. 🙂
@forestjohnson7474
@forestjohnson7474 Жыл бұрын
That picture of Jormungandr devouring the longship Jaws reference was awesome.
@KatiaOdinsen
@KatiaOdinsen Жыл бұрын
I always appreciate you recognizing the animal deities as well, deities.
@xxn1ghtm4rep01s0nxx
@xxn1ghtm4rep01s0nxx Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I have to agree with the whole "Jormungandr is the protector of nature". Honestly, this video reminded me of a story I remember having to read back in high school, called "The Kitten" by Richard Wright. From what I recall, the story basically involves a farmer trying to get rid of a kitten but it doesn't work, animals end up dying and the farm burns down but the kitten still lives. From what my teacher said, the plot of the story was about the whole "man vs nature" subject; no matter what the farmer tried, the kitten would still be there. The more the farmer tried to fight against the kitten, the more harm the farmer ended up hurting himself. Which, I think, if we look at Jormungandr in the same light it adds an interesting perspective. Sure, we can't win against nature, we have to live in harmony with it if we want anything remotely peaceful to result from it. But think about him being a snake; humans fear snakes. For as long as humans have existed, we are used to creatures walking around with legs. There's a couple of creatures that directly oppose this, and they send off the survival instinct inside of us cause to our ancient ancestors, who couldn't have known any better in there defense, it is "unnatural". Those two creatures being spiders and snakes. Add to that that snakes can be incredibly poisonous, can camouflage with the environment around them and can be pretty damn tricky to get rid of if, if you don't know what you're doing, it's fair to assume snakes have for a long time been something of an issue. You couldn't necessarily walk into a field and say for certain a snake wasn't there. And yet, snakes are fascinating creatures. It is no lie to say they have captured the minds and imaginations of humanity with their unique properties. There's several myths that view snakes in either neutral or positive lights. One example I can think of is the Australian Aboriginal "Rainbow Serpent", which if what little the internet has is to be believed is seen by some as a creator "deity" (for lack of better term and also cause I'm not Australian Aboriginal, so seriously take with some salt.) There's Quetzalcoatl of Aztec beliefs, and he is known as the "Feathered Serpent", and from what my research suggests is often associated with the arts and creativity. Many of the structures in Mexico that were created by the Aztecs actually have depictions of Quetzalcoatl on them, which suggests he was something of a pretty important deity. And then there's the Lung Dragon of Asian culture, but especially of Chinese. I've heard that the Lung Dragon is very "serpent" like in nature, and the dragon (again from what I've researched) is a very important deal in China. The "Yellow Dragon", for example, was once depicted on the ancient Chinese flag long before the flag we know today, and iirc, there's a belief that the Chinese people (or a fraction of them, again, take with some salt and do your own research) are descended from the Yellow Dragon. And of course, look at the modern day. There's people that find snakes adorable, who find the cute "puppy-like smile" of the snake's lips to be beautiful, that see the way the snake moves as graceful. And then you find out that there's actual sea snakes. Snakes that live in the ocean. Did the Vikings come into contact with them? Tough to say. However, I'm personally leaning towards "No", as these sorts of snakes are often found in warmer waters, such as around South Asia, Australia and the East coast of Africa. Is it possible that, somehow, they found out from word of mouth that traveled from these destinations? Again, tough to say. If it was the case, it certainly wasn't written down. Then pair that with just how damn deep the ocean is, and that we've not even scratched the surface at what exists far underneath our noses. It's a terrifying thought. And if there's one thing humans fear the most, it's the unknown. Jormungandr to me is all of that to an extreme; he is the fear of what exists deep down in the murky depths of the ocean, hiding out and sight and may never be found but existing all the same, thrashing about in the ocean in eternal rivalry with Thor. He is the protector of the depths, rising to the surface to thwart humans possibly when he feels it's needed, when we need a reminder of our place on this planet of ours. He is a fascination with what scares us; the things that we in our minds, for one reason or another, deem "unnatural" through implicit, possibly survival based, bias; the want to know the ins and outs of what scares and captivates us, the want to peer into the darkness to understand what lies within it. Jormungandr scares as much as he fascinates, a delicate balance of threat and beauty. A pretty damn good metaphor of the Earth, if you think about it. The Earth has wonderful sights; cliff lines, sunsets, beaches, forests, fields of flowers and crops, and beautiful animals. But it also has earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, floods, thunderstorms, blizzards, avalanches, rockslides, quick sand, and plenty of animals that, if given a reason, could kill us. Both existing in perpetual harmony. For too much beauty is a bad thing; if we let deer run amok, they will devour entire forests and strip them of their beauty. That is where creatures like snakes and wolves come in; they are the balance keepers, the keystone species that keep the balance in check, making sure no side gains more weight than the other. In that sense, he also reminds me of a quote from "The Secret History", roughly being "What is beauty if not terror?" Jormungandr is beautiful precisely because he is quite a terrifying thought. Humbling, fascinating, awe-inspiring but always terrifying. Think of it like watching a horror movie; you can watch it and know perfectly well you're safe, no one was harmed and no one (within reason and praying that people are actually sane and smart when they watch it) won't go on to hurt another. Except when you remember; this violence exists. And unlike humans; nature, more often than not, can't be reasoned with. Jormungandr isn't "evil"; he just has completely different morals than us. What he considers important clashes with what humanity considers important, and that is what I think the backbone of the whole Thor VS Jormungandr rivalry boils down to. Humanity striving to be the top dog, against an opposer who has no qualms with putting us back in our place, reminding us what we really are and where we are living. Either that or I'm thinking too hard into this using literal nature, horror movies, Dark Academia stories and other serpent-like creatures I've researched. It's probably the latter, but hey. It's my thoughts, and it's certainly thoughts I've collected over time. Anyway, sorry for the long ass comment but yeah. That's my thoughts. (Why can I never summarise my thoughts in a couple of sentences?)
@Kingrobledojr
@Kingrobledojr 5 ай бұрын
You may have point there
@suburbanhermit7
@suburbanhermit7 Жыл бұрын
Love the video! I like this concept of Jormungandr as the Jotun version of Thor, a protector of his realm. It also works well with the concept of Loki as a god of balance, trying to ensure neither the Aesir nor the Jotuns gain too much power. All of Loki's children fill this kind of role, it seems to me. Thank you for continuing to broaden our minds when it comes to the gods!
@TheEvergladesErgi
@TheEvergladesErgi Жыл бұрын
Snake on the astral plane. Okay but for real though, good shit boss. Not gonna lie, been loving the amount of revivalist shit and myth looking at in these last few vids.
@ogerific
@ogerific Жыл бұрын
My thoughts: Godzilla is a modern Jormungandr. 1) giant reptile 2) lives in the ocean 3) direct response to human impact on environment 4) poison breath : radioactive breath. As BOC said, "History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man..." Also, "Oh no, Thor says he's got to go, go go Jormungandr!"
@imachikenlol6820
@imachikenlol6820 Жыл бұрын
Joke at the beginning literally had me making the same noise as you "ahhh"
@deepfriedpagan4311
@deepfriedpagan4311 Жыл бұрын
I've been Heathen for almost a decade, and I've never once viewed Jörmundgandr in this way, but after watching this video and considering it thorougly over the course of a few days, I can't help but agree completely. Very rarely does someone present their argument in such a way that radically changes my view of a deity in such a complete way. And while I never believed that Jörmundgandr was evil, I never worshipped him, but now you can bet that I'll be breaking out my woodcarving set and adding Jörmundgandr to my altar.
@astrid1647
@astrid1647 Жыл бұрын
That folder on your computer of Gadsden Flags has led to this very video. Congratulations, you've officially Made It (tm)!
@HazardWolfCorp
@HazardWolfCorp Жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome information, i have a shaped Jormungandr engraved into the head of my Mjolnir.
@fromoakandrowan2794
@fromoakandrowan2794 Жыл бұрын
I think the best thing to do with all the gods is to hold respect for them regardless. Every one of them has a negative light if that is all you look for. Winter is harsh and kills, but also helps to bring new life. Fire destroys for one, and gives room for another to grow. Some acts are only evil if we think everything must cater to us.
@WWZenaDo
@WWZenaDo Жыл бұрын
Considering their awareness of Iceland and its highly active volcanic nature, Jormungandr sounds like it has incorporated some aspects of subterranean volcanic eruptions into its characteristics.
@DriesduPreez
@DriesduPreez Жыл бұрын
I love comparative mythology and cultures of the world, thank you for making this
@AceAllo
@AceAllo Жыл бұрын
So the snake is like old kiju movies where they are protecters of earth, not necessarily those who live on it
@trevorhanson6295
@trevorhanson6295 Жыл бұрын
I liked the distinction between active and passive myths in relation to what is relevant to what people are dealing with in the here-and-now. It is an important point to bring up, especially with the idea of living traditions.
@lunieahexx6043
@lunieahexx6043 Жыл бұрын
ohh that makes sense thanks Ocean now i have some tid bits to think about at work.
@Rinyotsu
@Rinyotsu Жыл бұрын
I spotted jormungandr in the sky on the night of the lunar eclipse November 2022 just before a storm rolled in. Well, at the very least a cloud that resembled the belly of a snake at least a mile in diameter and took almost 3minutes to slither over my location.
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
How cool is that?
@andrewt3768
@andrewt3768 Жыл бұрын
I think if I ever get a cat I will have to name it Jormungandr now.
@aritoncarmox6677
@aritoncarmox6677 Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this ever since you made the fenrisulven video. Great video. Thank you
@smuu1996
@smuu1996 Жыл бұрын
For me he'll always be big snek. That's a compliment, he's on my altar.
@anitaangyal4644
@anitaangyal4644 7 ай бұрын
You worded it so beautifully, I couldnt agree with you more 😊
@gervasiomartins9148
@gervasiomartins9148 Жыл бұрын
A modern version of this might be Superman versus Godzilla
@puffinmuffin3589
@puffinmuffin3589 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad to see other Norse pagans like myself
@keithkommerjr9106
@keithkommerjr9106 2 ай бұрын
I like the description of basically Thor is the symbol of the vibrance of humanity and defender of the human spirit, while Jormungandr is the chaotic spirit of nature and defender of nature against the rampant darkness of unchecked humanity
@bloodenraged117
@bloodenraged117 Жыл бұрын
came for the pun, was not disappointed, oh man, thank you
@ErikrNorthman
@ErikrNorthman 2 ай бұрын
"Light needs dark, and dark needs light. All to keep the world from becoming a dreadful fantasy, or a wonderful horror story." Skål! 🍻
@GodlessCommie
@GodlessCommie Жыл бұрын
i’m glad to see people doing deep explanations on these beliefs. thank you!
@RingoLoadagain
@RingoLoadagain Жыл бұрын
This was a very well thought out and wholesome takeaway from the fractured and contradicting myths.
@KveldulfSnowbear
@KveldulfSnowbear Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video and has shed a new light on a deity that I had never considered in any way benevolent. Of course, because "baggage Jesus." This has prompted me to give Jormungandr some props. Thank you!
@georgepiedmonte437
@georgepiedmonte437 Жыл бұрын
I just love this analysis. It confirms a growing suspicion that I’ve had for years, and sheds light on what would otherwise be a baffling affinity that I’ve had for Jormandganr while simultaneously having an appreciation for Thor. The same holds true for me with respect to the other children of Loki, Hel and Fenrir, as well as Loki himself
@77702935
@77702935 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping people like me to make our new journey easier
@ohioheathen1997
@ohioheathen1997 Жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video, Ocean! Thanks for helping me understand Jörmungandr a bit better!
@Oaknomadex
@Oaknomadex Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video with some very interesting theories. Thank you 🙏
@mammo_the_mammoth
@mammo_the_mammoth Жыл бұрын
The chances of your cat, being a giant sea, serpent are low, but never zero
@drewfuller6194
@drewfuller6194 Жыл бұрын
The opening was painful. Your audible expression of pain, confirms this. Good thing I'm here for the sandwich meat, and not the bread.
@oceanman1687
@oceanman1687 Жыл бұрын
I wanna make a joke about Jörmungandr but it makes my head Thor trying to think of a good one.
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
Cue 🥁
@ethannelson8592
@ethannelson8592 Жыл бұрын
Haven’t included Jormungandr in my practice, but I’ve been waiting for a vid on him!! Awesome job, ocean!
@-.-K._.
@-.-K._. Жыл бұрын
Come back big man we need more
@mgtmoviemaker
@mgtmoviemaker Жыл бұрын
Jormungandr is a kaiju confirmed 🤔 Great video as always. Thanks for making it!
@ckorone
@ckorone Жыл бұрын
I love it. Thank you for this, Ocean. This is beyond refreshing, and I hope it helps more people see Jormungandr, along with Loki and his other children, in a new light.
@Welvryn
@Welvryn Жыл бұрын
It’s interesting to think of Jormungandr is a protector of Midgard. It sure make you think about what our belief system would be had it been recorded unbiased.
@stevejames7849
@stevejames7849 Жыл бұрын
I see the battle between them is a sign of activeness. Not fighting but the fighting is how they decided to express this activeness
@DamienZshadow
@DamienZshadow Жыл бұрын
After you described the man versus nature perspective, I viewed the picking up of the cat in a different light. Suddenly, the horror was akin to the kind of horror we experience when we see the massive effects of deforestation or pollution.
@kylareynard2639
@kylareynard2639 Жыл бұрын
I worship Fenrir and Loki, but haven't thought of worshipping or honoring Jormundgrandr in my practice due to my dislike for water. However, after this video, I'm considering. Even if it's ever so often, leaving him an offering as well as his sister, Hel.
@benkarr6828
@benkarr6828 Жыл бұрын
Best pun delivery yet !
@SladeCarnvival
@SladeCarnvival Жыл бұрын
I recently found The Norse Faith and this channel has helped me understand things better than I ever could have on my own. Thank you Brother
@tonymeekins7237
@tonymeekins7237 Жыл бұрын
Just want to say I’m new to Norse paganism and your vids are teaching me a lot I enjoy them keep them coming 👍🏻
@Dovah21
@Dovah21 Жыл бұрын
Ocean, my guy, you really are a gift to Heathenry that keeps on giving. I've long sought a way to incorporate serpent veneration and iconography into my spiritual practice, and Jormungandr is one of my favorite serpent gods. Almost everywhere I've looked cautions against approaching him in a way similar to cautioning against approaching Fenrir. All my instincts have told me that these views have to be misplaced in some way, a result perhaps of Christian tampering with the Norse worldview. Seems that's likely the case based on your findings. Edit: had to come back to this comment because I thought up a meme - Informed Heathen: "I venerate Jormungandr." - Less Informed Heathen: *Spongebob meme format* "YOU WHAT?!?"
@joelbyrnes9710
@joelbyrnes9710 Жыл бұрын
I've watched almost all of your videos, and this is one of my favorites. I enjoy your intellectual take, and healthy questioning of what remains of the myths.
@sea_heathen
@sea_heathen Жыл бұрын
I needed to watch this video. I hold Thor on a high place on my altar but held an ignorant light towards Jörmungandr. I work on ships and have my whole life so whenever the storms have been particularly nasty I’ve offered prayers to Thor to settle Jörmungandr, maybe I need to open up to Jörmungandr. I really needed this as it completely made sense to me how Jörmungandr also represents the balance of nature. Lately my love for Fenrir has been growing as well. I must be maturing in my heathen journey.
@lisamenery4495
@lisamenery4495 Жыл бұрын
Good arguments on Jormungandr as Midgard Protector. Lots of good information and things to think ponder. Always appreciate the scholarly depths of these videos.
@MacAnRuadh
@MacAnRuadh Жыл бұрын
An interesting parallel, with the idea of protector of nature in mind, can be found in the Greek Myth surrounding Python son of Gaia who’s often depicted as her protector. I think your definitely on to something with that interpretation. Great video! 🔥
@backupnoname
@backupnoname 4 ай бұрын
7:45 Horde confirmed, he's got an alter to the storms
@OceanKeltoi
@OceanKeltoi 4 ай бұрын
true!
@rob6738
@rob6738 4 ай бұрын
For that intro pun, a thousand years of dripping poison. 😂
@VetrDraugr
@VetrDraugr Жыл бұрын
My best friend and I were laughing our asses of at the meme at 20:03 yesterday. Didn't think I'd see it here 💀
@bezoticallyyours83
@bezoticallyyours83 7 ай бұрын
When you go fishing for tuna and snag a liopleurodon
@FullMetalMaster
@FullMetalMaster 6 ай бұрын
I'm not sure what I think but I have an understanding of the snake now and thanks to you I can now run a tabletop campaign a little bit better
@EdHyde11
@EdHyde11 8 ай бұрын
5:00 made me chuckle. Definitely will keep dat in mind next time I lift a cat.
@KittyBatSeth
@KittyBatSeth Жыл бұрын
Congratulations btw.... That was your WORST PUN EVAR
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