3 Ways Seahorses are Like British Aristocracy and 1 Way They're Definitely Not | Alien Ocean

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[@sapphiredragon23]

I know I'm a little late to the party, but I think the seahorse/walrus issue is because the latin name for walrus is Odobenus Rosmarus, meaning "toothwalking sea horse." After seahorses were scientifically described in the 19th century, sea-horse stopped being used for walrus.

[@OctopusLady]

Woo! Context! Thank you!

[@t0b3yyy16]

I'd like to add upon this: in german the walrus is called Walross. I'm not sure if that's where the word comes from but "Wal" mean whale and "Ross" is an outdated word for "Pferd", or in english horse, I guess you could best translate it to steed. A whale-steed!

[@ItsAVolcano]

Pipefish male in the corner: "hey I have a pouch to carry eggs and numerous health complications too!"😢

[@owlcyclops7163]

here is a fun fact if your still interested. the Japanese meaning for seahorse is tatsunootoshigo or if you separate them tatsu no otoshigo. if you put them into pieces you get 竜(tatsu) mean dragon and 落とし子(otoshigo) means evil spawn and no means ('s)so 竜の落とし子 so what this means is that they are called Dragon's Bastard Child. this makes it funny to me because there was maybe some divers from japan (maybe the Ama (海女, "sea women") who would go down there, see these little critters just swimming around and the divers be like "there is no way that is a real dragon, that has got to be like a evil spawn of them" and have given them that name due to them being so disappointed in not seeing a real dragon.

[@thenonfurry]

lol

[@BryceBreslin]

I'll never be able to see a seahorse again without imagining a fainting couch, which makes Reason #1 very powerful.

[@BryceBreslin]

(I'll also never again be able to imagine marine biologists carrying out research without that Leo DiCap face and eye movement 🤣)

[@seantaggart7382]

I will not see Rarity when i hear fainting couch!

[@lovelessam9722]

"Take confidence in your paternity by taking away all uncertainty!" ughh this channel is such a hidden gem so glad I found you technically yesterday since it's now 12:15 am lol 🥰

[@anthonytonythegeek5561]

Fr, I’ve watched a few of the vids multiple times just because I love the animals they’re talking about like the eels, and vampire squids (from hell)

[@glibber2732]

I'm even later to the party, but I think the walrus = seahorse thing might also be rooted in its linguistic origins. Here in Germany, the word for "walrus" is "Walross", which - if literally translated - means "whale steed". I assume that the English "walrus" is derived either from that or some other germanic or nordic language.

[@bakudeavor]

justice for pipefish he’s a good boy

[@furryfurry8477]

As someone who has done a lot of research on chameleons and has one of their own, seahorses sound like the literal ocean version of chameleons. From the physical and obvious resemblance to the “respiratory” sensitivity and moving all wonky and being hard to keep in captivity 😂 only main difference I see is that chameleons cannot under any circumstances be kept together for long periods of time while seahorses obviously can

[@benmcreynolds8581]

Could you cover aquatic parasites? Angler fish, cuttlefish, siphonophores, pelican eel, giant isopod, bone worms, how salmon sharks have this amazing ability to have it's body temperature warmer then the surrounding water. Just tossing out some random stuff for fun. (BTW I loved the commercial moment of this video lol 😆 that was good)

[@PrimordialNyx]

Wouldn't angler fish be a symbiotic relationship and not a parasitic one?

[@blakedao4777]

In Vietnames, the name for walrus is "hải mã", which literally translated to "seahorse" (hải = sea, mã = horse).

[@ketsuekikumori9145]

But why would an English dictionary use the translation of a foreign language? We already have a word for the animal. If it was a loan word from Vietnamese, than that would make sense, but it's not.

[@Cheese_Authority]

​@@ketsuekikumori9145you know antiquated definitions exist, right?

[@hellothing]

Funnily enough, walrus is hǎixiàng (海象 ) in Chinese which literally translates to “sea elephant”. Sea horse is hǎimǎ (海马) which is indeed also literally “sea horse”

[@blakedao4777]

@@hellothing Another fun fact, some of Vietnamese words are borrowed from Chinese. In this case, hải (hăi) = biển = sea and mã (mă) = ngựa = horse. I believe since the old time when our cultures intertwined, we got the word hải mã from Chinese people and use it till now.

[@PrimordialNyx]

Male seahorses are so damn great. They're both adorable and protective

[@bigmclargehuge8219]

This thumbnail lives in my head rent free, by the way.

[@Elitekross]

For a long time it was believed that everything on the land had a corresponding mirror animal underwater, thats why so many animals are sea-[blank]

[@JackieOwl94]

5:41 Holy crap! One of my friends had her dad cleaning his saltwater fish tank and he got did tuberculosis in a cut on his hand. I hadn’t heard of the bacteria until then. It just causes swelling and hard healing in human cuts.

[@katherinel8661]

What if the male caring for the offspring is similar to the way cassowaries do it? The male takes care of his chicks alone, which gives the mom the ability to go and find other males to have broods with. This frees mom to keep making eggs. Do the female seahorses produce multiple clutches to hand off to males?

[@mattmorehouse9685]

That's a good question.

[@hedgehog3180]

Someone else did raise the point that having males primarily take care of child care is more reproductively efficient in species with genders.

[@The_Worst_Guy_Ever]

​@@hedgehog3180 I mean males can just get a bunch of females pregnant back to back in quick succession. Still seems more efficient to me

[@foiledits]

ive been binging your videos for the past few days and i must say that videos of this editorial, educational, and humorous quality deserve absolutely more recognition than you have received. just by thumbnail and title alone i knew this was good, and i hope your channel gets the attention it deserves !

[@hedgehog3180]

Seahorses make me glad to know that there are some weird and cool animals that we have all to ourselves and they aren't all either extinct or super old.

[@LueLucifer]

A Seahorse is just a Sea Chameleon 😂

[@ethanlackey8048]

For the Seahorse mpreg, shit just happens yo

[@zotfotpiq]

The CHEAT... is grounded!

[@euriditia]

You got something to tell us The Octopus Lady 👀👀👀👀 i was not expecting 'mpreg' and 'AO3' to come out huehue. 😂😂❤❤

[@LueLucifer]

Seahorse Mating Dance 😂 Imagine if humans did something similar like this 🤣

[@matmurray717]

Human trans men who get pregnant to have kids are sometimes called seahorse dads! :)

[@davidbarrass]

the text cited at 8:35 basically means they're working with 90's technology and some of the results they got were not right. Micro25.22 is a microsatellite (a short repetitive sequence of G and T bases in the pipefish's DNA), at location 25.22. I think this is an arbitrary number, if I were to guess I'd say this was the 22nd microsatellite sequence discovered in experiment 25. An allele is just a variant sequence in the DNA in this case the number of Gs and Ts one after the other. Nul means they didn't detect anything, which can either be there's nothing to detect or the technique failed. When these runs of Gs and Ts become very long they're very difficult to detect, the PCR (look up PCR test for SarsCov2, it's the same technique) gets less efficient the longer stretch of DNA it has to cover. So in other words "We got some results that suggest some of the eggs were not the father's but it's a mistake with the technology and think that they are all the father's eggs after all" tbh I think that's a fair call. I was doing PCR in the 90's and this efficiency drop off for longer alleles was a known issue.

[@KiearranYoung-Vermillion]

while watching this (as a horse person) i realized that seahorses are probably named after horses because of the way they hold their head not the head itself (look up dressage horses, its almost a dead ringer)

[@beautyinchaos33]

That Talk Show skit was brilliant 🤌 😅new follower here. I have been binge watching your content and can't get enough, you really have made what was a scary place to me, not so scary, it's really quite beautiful thru your knowledgable eyes. I thank you 💙

[@bigmclargehuge8219]

I'm re-watching this and I just realized you used the music from The Cheat's light switch rave for part of it! Heck yeah!

[@l3xther3x86]

That thumbnail is absolutely WILD

[@julian281198]

My explantion attempt about the walrus confusion. Walrus is most likely borrowed from a Germanic langue(probably old norse but i choose german in this example because i speak it), where the name is made by the word for Whale (for example German Wal) and Horse( in German Ross). So its a whale-horse. But a lot of "seals" (and other marine life) get named sea + random animal like sea lion, sea elephant, sea leopard and sea cow. A walrus is already a "horse" so sea horse would make a lot of sense, following the naming convention.

[@niklaspotter7003]

Just chiming in to say I appreciated the The Cheat rave from homestarrunner

[@elenaengel7174]

This one was really fun! I like your lively commentary and asides.....

[@graemelaubach3106]

Always such a good deal until they hit you with the shipping and handling.

[@snazzrin.7185]

appreciate the homestar runner music at 4:17 the system is down

[@transgender_F-117]

1:40 I guess a walrus looks more like a horse of the sea than a sea horse does but that's all I got

[@zillychu]

My reading of research papers is minimal, but from what I HAVE read so far, I do wonder if male pregnancy is a way to more evenly distribute energy consumption between the sexes? It takes a LOT more energy/resources in most species to produce viable eggs than it does to create sperm. If it were really that significant though, I'd think male pregnancy would be found in more species. I wonder if it's a more optimal way to balance energy consumption, but female pregnancy is just a less practical Thing we've kept through evolution, like needing wet eyes.

[@ketsuekikumori9145]

The only thing I can think of when it comes to the seahorse = walrus thing is that maybe they are confusing walruses with manatees, which are also known as sea cows. But even then, it's still a leap in logic.

[@hcrft]

ok i needed an octopus lady fix, and there was no new video out yet, so i searched for one i hadnt seen yet................this video is a riot! one of my favorates !!

[@margohartley489]

Every night I lay down and listen to an octopus info dump about aquatic animals. You are LIVING MY DREAM except I like to info dump about microorganisms

[@Androdjinni]

I'm watching a video with mpreg in the title card and I still got startled by hearing AO3 suddenly.

[@skybluskyblueify]

4:04 Alien Ocean? Is that another YT channel? You have a link to it? Oh! THIS is Alien Ocean-- I thought it was octopus Lady. You upload so little that if you had said that the channel "Alien Ocean" I had forgot by now. I love the channel. Thanks for all the effort and my kind of humor.

[@OctopusLady]

Oh yeah, sorry about the confusion! Alien Ocean is the name of this series, and the Octopus Lady is the name of my channel. I consider this a series cuz I was thinking maybe in the future I'd do videos about other environments, so like Alien Rainforests or Alien Deserts, etc. I've also been thinking of doing a little intro at the beginning of each video being like, "Hi, I'm the Octopus Lady, you're watching another episode of Alien Oceans and let's talk about X today, shall we?" since I can see how that can be confusing -- anyway! All this to say that I appreciate the feedback and thank you for your kind words! ❤️

[@book-obsessedweirdo8677]

Man, whats the timestamp there? My computer can't seem to find it.

[@taiscommentingaccountusedf1908]

I mean A walrus does look like it could be ridden like a horse

[@kraakenhex8459]

Sounds like an image file. Gif, jpeg, Mpreg.

[@Llanfairpw]

2:04 pipefish look like straightened out seahorses

[@YAWSSSSSS]

6:48 Horsea used Quiver Dance

[@Hei1Bao4]

That's a clever little DIY recording studio. Clothing helps absorb echoes.

[@unholynoise3087]

I'm in love with the thumbnail

[@Khandrake]

similar amount of quivering in both dancing

[@infantrypaladin]

You got me with the hook, rofl oh gods me preegz

[@ramonsanchez6903]

They have a box or cube shell for extreme Ocean Pressures

[@thomasgrazier6909]

I love the thumbnail so much

[@haole08067]

I love hearing video game music in videos about other topics. I heard you in there subnautica.

[@jayycw2105]

cant believe when one of these goes into a river it turns into a hippopotamus

[@shaestewart5261]

Yes! To the lady below. Also, if you think of a hippopotamus as a river horse…even though hippos resemble walruses much more than horses…walruses are sea horses. Or, like, hippos of the sea!

[@CutieBanana09]

This is so unhinged I love it lmfaooo

[@Demuu2]

0:29 so as a Reader of Books, I know that Pride and Prejudice is appearently quite boring at least that's how I read in Solitaire by Alice Oseman

[@jane_gorelove]

I LOVE YOUR VIBES SO MUCH OMG MPREGGED BRITISH SEAHORSES (sorry for yellin)

[@Miles_Phantasmagoria]

As a former history student & perpetual history buff, I can confirm that breaking gender roles (though it gets complicated bc animals dont have gender or gender norms etc etc) Is something that happened amongst the Victorian aristocracy w more frequency than you’d think!

[@derionanderun946]

ROFL the Mpreg Ad is fire xD

[@prismo1428]

Why is this the best thing I’ve ever seen

[@LoverOfMuch]

i caught that Homestar Runner music sample!!!

[@fruityasasmoothie]

seahorses got that gawkgawk 3000

[@galacgacwatson3102]

Pipefish should be called wyrm fish because they remind me of those worms on a string with their long colorful and textured vodies and long snouts (Squirmles) and are related to dragonfish.

[@mushroomocean5177]

Stede Bonnet (from OFMD) gives big seahorse vibes lol

[@Iceflkn]

Could they be calling a seahorse a walrus because of the similarity of calling an animal a sea cow?

[@MystiaAren]

I just thought of a really cursed fanfic idea and it's the grinch x krampus in an mpreg situation where they're seahorses and does it exist somewhere? Like this is the internet we're talking about is this an actual fanfic I can read or do I write it myself cus I dun wanna plagiarise somebody by accident.

[@svensvensson1085]

This prolly not it, but where I live we called walrus "lakehorse" and called seahorse "riverhorse". It's also in anouther language, so maybe both could just be translated to seahorse?

[@M.Datura]

Someone else has probably mentioned this, and I'm not certain how many are uncertain about this, but out of the three stories mentioned, Bridgerton is *not* historically accurate, nor old at all. In case anyone was wondering. Sense and Sensibility and Pride and Prejudice were written in the early 1800s both. Bridgerton, the book series, was written in 2000-2006. It's "historical" *fiction* about a time period the author did not live, contrary to the other two. Just, in case someone didn't realise, because I've come to understand that knowing much about history is not prevalent among people who enjoy "period drama". And also maybe because the mention of two books by Jane Austen with a book and TV series from the 21th century might peeve me a little tiny bit.

[@lepreking]

You should make a video on bristle and bobbit worms

[@marcfruchtman9473]

I found the null allele stuff interesting. I am not sure, but wouldn't it be possible that the mother is heterozygous but has 1 of the alleles as a null allele, and therefor that is why "some" of the offspring displayed only a single allele contributed by the mother. In other words, if the mother also contributed a null allele at the same locus, then it would also be undetectable. (Not sure to be honest, was just wondering). (Or as another commenter suggested, it could just be a testing issue)

[@Devilot109]

There’s actually a *lot* of animals where females are bigger. Frogs and toads (for practical reasons - if the male was bigger it’d be… not great for the female when the male climbs up on her back), almost all sexually dimorphic spiders, and others besides.

[@_NewtonMeter]

crying because mpreg. xD between sea horses and a certain Futurama episode, mpreg is one of my favorite tropes

[@gregstinkston7634]

Heck yea bro

[@azurios7999]

I always find it funny that people are shocked or amased when male / female roles are reversed in animal ignoring the fact that they are assigned the type of male and female based on the size of their gamet witch is not related to any other factor. Like if the only factor that is diffrent from the general perseption of what makes a male and a female is, is gamet size, then the surprising part is that and how badly the convention has labeled them. The female insiminates the males, the males give birth and take care of the children, the female compet for cortship. How is this not a miss namer?

[@formeradventurer7599]

THE SYSTEM IS DOWN at 4:19!

[@lnheritance]

Flounders would like a word with you

[@formerlyLadyMacbeth]

If the mycobacterium affects their skin, wouldn't that make it more akin to leprosy?

[@pjpugapillarfan2750]

the pipe fish is beatufly long

[@ighmur]

hyppocampus, it's not "standing horse"?

[@alveolate]

why's the auto-translated subs in dutch? is there some setting to adjust on the uploader's side of things?

[@walrusboi7109]

I am not a seahorse. Consider yourself informed.

[@axelostlund2348]

Swell video.

[@YuniraFerinia]

0:00 for me when I put on subtitles, it said Horseshoe Crabs instead of Seahorses???

[@bakudeavor]

seahorses are all about camp i think

[@bongoknight8759]

“Free” “or your money back” this doesn’t add up and I don’t know why

[@dexteroo101]

I love seahorses!!

[@CartyCantDance]

Do sea monkeys next

[@nameless.402]

Seahorse= chameleon of the sea

[@barrierastiss8877]

Seahorse saddles are way too much horseradish sauce( cash!

[@shikazeevods]

i thought walruses were sometimes called sea cows, not seahorses, hm

[@jovidalmeida2801]

Here where I live there are a lot of pipe fish I like them:) And dragon fish are fucking gorgeous But like.....SEAHORSES ARE SOOOOOOOO LAAAAAAAAMEEEEE

[@bensneb6822]

Heck yeah! More educational ocean content!

[@kopet343]

3:27

[@LueLucifer]

Females fighting over a male Males fighting over a female Seahorses are similar to humans.

[@loj2252]

the system is down

[@Cheese_Authority]

I know you like Marine biology, but the historical inaccuracies hurt me

[@hlol1544]

The heck is that translation...

[@nnnArchive]

OSP?? Overly Sarcastic Productions????

[@ellie8272]

I always assumed the reason behind female pregnancy was because eggs can't swim and sperm can, so it's easier for the female to carry and the male to inseminate? But maybe I have it backwards

[@jamiel6005]

so seahorses have nearly convergently evolved asexual reproduction, cool.

[@himboghost629]

Fun fact: Gender is complicated and seahorses are but one example from nature of that