Odysseus Vs Poseidon | Epic the Musical: Vengeance Saga

[@wynnefox]

I love Neal Illustrator's blog doing Zeus' POV during 600 men strike. Hephaestus is all, "Uh... your brother is getting his ass kicked, should we do something?" and Zeus goes, "You're right, I am going to add Lightning and thunder, it will look so bad ass."

[@leaffiregreen4957]

it's not hephaestus , it's hades

[@anonymousvids2146]

Hades and Zeus chilling to watch this fight is a visual I never knew I needed.

[@plutothechinchilla4496]

I cannot find this and I NEED TO PLEASE

[@themoonlit-wolf3773]

So real

[@shaggyzaza-o5v]

@@plutothechinchilla4496 it’s on Neal’s community post!!

[@MegamindsMaleWife]

25:29 One of the first memes Jorge uploaded after the vengeance saga came out was I have the power of God and anime on my side

[@YinYangAngel55]

Little kid: AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

[@zuziiice8907]

Odysseus: I'm almost there! Poseidon: *camping at spawn* I've been expecting you mr. wade.

[@GOLDFiSH-EZ]

Nah 💀

[@StrawberryMoo-qc7ci]

@@GOLDFiSH-EZ thanks google for that useful translation 👍

[@GOLDFiSH-EZ]

@@StrawberryMoo-qc7cihuh

[@disableddragonborn]

Odysseus _didn't_ stop when Poseidon begged for mercy. He only stopped when Poseidon called off the storm.

[@BlinkoutIRL]

To remember the prophesies in No Longer You. -I see a song of past romance (Suffering) - I see the sacrifice of man (Scyla) - I see portails of betrayal and a Brothers final stand (Mutiny) - I see you on the brink of death. I see you draw your final breath (Get in the Water) - I see a man that gets to make it home alive... but it's no longer you (Six Hundred Strike) He has now gone full Monster. The Ithaca Saga will include the second verse I see your palace covered in red. Faces of men who have long believed your death. I see your wife with a man who is haunting. A man with a trail of bodies. 🦉 So the Ithaca saga will be fun.

[@michaelarhin7842]

The Owl got a shoutout😂

[@oreocooki3375]

Quick thing, I think I see you on the brink of death is more thunder bringer (or maybe love in paradise) 1 because it would make sense because since almost every other prediction happened in the thunder saga, (and we skip wisdom saga because its told by athena's prespective, or love in paradise because he is literslly on the edge) 2: because it dosent make sense for 2 lines to predict the same moment when all the others dont 3 these are judt my opinions, but it does feel more satisfying

[@andronixbegayaf]

There are a couple more prophecies there in the background chants! One of which is not yet completed! "Siren's song" - Suffering "Scylla's throat" - Scylla "Mutiny" - Mutiny "Lightning bolt" - Thunder Bringer "Run Posaidon"(not confirmed, but pretty clear) - Get In The Water And "Kill all the suitors for love" - Odysseus Also "Brink of death" in my opinion is actually the moment in Love In Paradise where he's on the edge of the cliff.

[@ShadowPug719]

All I could say is that the song for the most blood is I believe King. Which is where we get to see how it is to face against Ody who is now fully a monster.

[@Nemial-l7i]

Draw your final breath for sure is Get In The Water. There are no doubts at all. It would make sense the song Love in Paradise is the lyrics "I see you on the brink of death." Canonically, that island borders the underworld (at least, so I've heard,) and he did wash ashore. Hell, Calypso literally said, "I swore that you were dead when you washed up on my isle."

[@EVER_PRINCE]

Jay and Hermes VA are really funny together and there’s a running joke that he isn’t a VA but actually Hermes himself it’s great lol

[@Recon-601]

....joke?

[@criminalchicken499]

This blasphemy is punishable by death. I suggest you keep your messages to yourself, our friend receives them quite quickly

[@StrawberryMoo-qc7ci]

@@criminalchicken499 ?????

[@danilopolar6476]

joke ? idk abou that, literal HERMES is singing hermes ok ?

[@buggo_bug]

This joke is unfunny. Delete your comment before something bad happens.

[@rurikaunimoto]

Something important that I keep seeing people forget, is that no one died under his command during the war. Not that they didn't die in the journey, 101% mortality there, but the lack of deaths is why it hits him so hard in the story. At least in this version.

[@severigne_m7652]

Fr, they were coming home with not only a win but like ZERO casualties on his side at least, he was still good graces with Athena. His confidence is probs soaring and his only challenge left was to cross like a small patch of ocean and he'll finally FINALLY be back home... then everything that can go wrong starts to and it starts with his bestest friend too. Shit can break you down

[@onetwothistledew]

5:30 I will never get over the silence that comes after this line. Since there *is no* crew left alive to finish the call-and-responses with Ody, all that’s left is a lonely reprise of Full Speed Ahead accompanied by Ody’s instrument-an acoustic guitar.

[@TopHat0278]

EXACTLY. every time i hear this i alway say to myself "make it back alive to our homeland" because it just feel so empty when i hear it

[@jasper_the_techie]

YESSSS! IT GIVES ME CHILLS EVERY TIME OMG

[@_Sh1zun3]

16:34 When Poseidon says "I'll take your son and gouge his eyes" he wants to BLIND Telemachus like how Polyphemus (The cyclops) was blinded by Odysseus Oh! And also, during the "stabbing-session" Poseidon's screams of pain were sung because his pain was music to Odysseus's ears.

[@sureindubitably3771]

Very not fun fact: The intro of Dangerous is a reprisal of "full speed ahead" with the exception of the call and respond that's why there are huge gaps. An example is "Cause I had one goal in mind", supposedly the response would be "Make it back alive to our homeland" but there is none cuz the whole crew is dead

[@localsoul9760]

Also, in Charybdis, Odysseus sings the melody of Storm, which is usually accompanied his crew singing the melody as well, creating: Odysseus: Sto-o-orm! Crew: (Sto-o-orm!) However, in Charybdis, because his crew is dead, that second singing of the melody is noticeably missing, just emphasizing the fact that he's now alone.

[@sureindubitably3771]

@@localsoul9760 😭

[@Harryourbuddy]

@@localsoul9760I didn’t even realise that 😢

[@anareaty]

This Hermes design was clearly based on the singer's look.

[@HenStep-dd9wl]

The joke is that Troy IS Hermes, so it makes perfect sense

[@CORBIN2263YT]

? Of course, Hermes would look like Hermes?

[@raging_berzerk359]

I just noticed at 13:49 the water looks like Poseidon grinning

[@IcecreamCat23]

OMG YOU’RE RIGHT. WOLFY. WHEN J FIND YOU WOLFY!!!!

[@intelotaku9651]

NO ONE EVER ACKNOWLEDGES THE FACE IN THE WATER ANYTIME I WATCH THESE REACTIONS!!! LOOK AT THE ART!!!

[@pipsdontlie3031]

I thought I was going crazy but yeah it's for sure there

[@rosa-san5259]

Where?! 😮

[@almaanderson9525]

​@rosa-san5259 pretty sure 13:42. Could be wrong.

[@rosa-san5259]

@almaanderson9525 Oh I see it now, thanks!

[@darkmega24ify]

​@@almaanderson9525oh that actually jumpscared me my GOD

[@icemagiciangh]

“How am I supposed to get over you?!” I mean, you could always devour a tub of ice cream. That can help with breakups… Even if this wasn’t _really_ a breakup, but you get my point.

[@kirru6813]

@@icemagiciangh except i dont think theres any ice cream on calypso's island lol, might need something else to get over ody

[@anonymousvids2146]

Hey look, Jason, oops, maybe next time Hey look, Percy Jackson....... fouth time is the charm? Oh, a fire boy, and his Dragon mech.....

[@toryumau6798]

​@@anonymousvids2146 ... Hercules just might be thirsty enough to go with the flow if he washed up to Calypso considering his track record of bedding half the crew of every ship he was ever on. >)X^D

[@toryumau6798]

... Or, hear me out- Hardcore exercise every day to the point of not having the energy to be sad anymore and get [ JACKED. ] Imagine Calypso man-handling the next guy who washed up on her shore! >)X^D

[@felixhenson9926]

It do feel like that during a breakup tho

[@Jandeded]

8:26 fun fact, for this part Hermes originally was going to help Odysseus by kicking a monster while he was pole dancing but Jorge had it removed

[@CommissarMitch]

Very rare Jorge L. It would be fun.

[@Blue-100]

I was practically freaking out when I was watching the Livestream. For the past 2 years I've only heard Jorge's demo of get in the water and now that we finally get to hear the finished version I was ecstatic. The music and raw emotion in the voices were amazing along with the animations done for this saga. It'll be bittersweet when the final one releases

[@Airier]

Two years off the demo alone... Yeah, that wait would have broken me. I'm spoiled getting so much every month or so. 😮

[@Thatonefannoonelikes]

@@Airierevery month or so seems like a reference😋

[@altarudragonspirit4016]

Six Hundred Strike meme cover where everything is the same except the sound of Odysseus dropping the trident is replaced with the metal pipe sound effect

[@FartMart...]

Hope the guy that does the brain rot covers does this when he eventually reaches Vengeance saga

[@martinenotmartini9935]

you wouldnt have happened to have listened to the magnus archives would you?

[@akihikosakurai4013]

It must SUCK getting stabbed with a trident cause the barbs make it so that it's harder to pull out, and it tears the flesh as you pull it out, causing like 10x more damage than the initial stab

[@felixsonofscouty]

and with the way its animated here, you can see that Ody is basically having to work harder to pull it out than stab it in

[@L-ghtlessSky]

@@felixsonofscoutyyeah, you can see Poseidon getting dragged up with the trident

[@freddieadams8435]

So, there is a theory that the reason why Ody is able to beat Poseidon and the red eyes is that Ares helped him. Jorge confirmed that Ares has his own Quick Thought where he can induce great rage and greater strength.

[@shadowrealm4206]

The red eyes! I never even thought of that!

[@LeviathanTamer31]

2 things do also need to be noted. 1) Jorge has noted that Poseidon in Epic: The Musical is a long range fighter. He doesn't have any powers that help in close range. Nornally this isn't a problem because people can't get close. 2) Gods can and have gotten their asses kicked by mortals. Diomedes stabbed Ares in the leg with some encouragement from Athena. Thanatos got chained up by a random ass king. And now Poseidon got his shit wrecked by a mortal using his own storm against him.

[@stevenhedge2850]

I hate assuming ares helps because it takes away Odysseus and the gods really shouldn’t help fighting gods like this after Troy

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

This is fanon.

[@Dracon350]

@@stevenhedge2850 it doesn't really take away from Ody? he's a human with a sprinkle of divine blood in him, thanks to great grandpappy Hermes. he really should have no shot against Poseidon. Ares helping Ody would seem to me to be a favor to his sister. my bet is that Athena has recognized Telemachus as her new champion, and Ares has decided to make Odysseus his new champion.

[@wynnefox]

The one thing that gets me with Get in the Water is that it was an act of dominance and submission. Poseidon could have just ended him at any time, but that wasn't enough. He needed Odysseus to submit to his will.

[@Dracon350]

this. it wasn't just about killing Ody. if it was, Poseidon would've done it back in Ruthlessness, and he would've done it immediately. this was all about his ego. Odysseus bruised it when he blinded Polyphemus, and Poseidon has held a grudge against him ever since. everything he's done since then has been to humble Odysseus and soothe his own pride.

[@codysonic1]

And look where that got him. Geeze Poseidon…should have killed But No.

[@aetherial4427]

@@codysonic1UR SO SMART

[@thatonebread3585]

​@@Dracon350 Blinded Polyphemus and now gouged one of Poseidon's eyes, very clever LMAO

[@thispurplebeanYT]

That's a very good point. I dont think Poseidon expected Odysseus to actually stand a chance and was thrown off

[@disableddragonborn]

Morgan Clae's "Get In The Water" audition sound on Tik Tok is how I discovered Epic, so as giggly as you are, imagine how excited I was for this. Like Poseidon, I've been waiting for this moment. For at least a year now.

[@savannahbest23]

Same... Now I gotta find her version

[@Kenna430]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned the recording booth, but Jay's dad actually built it for him. So Epic is (re)recorded in a Hephaestus-built booth!

[@cobusvanderlinde6871]

This is a major departure from the Odyssey. The gods specifically time his escape from Calypso's island while Poseidon is away (in Ethiopia I think) so he comes back to see Odysseus on the escape and tosses him around like a ragdoll, the goddesses Athena and Ino help Odysseus out and he manages to escape into the mouth of a river (on Scheria). In the Epic, the story starts after Calypso's island, we find Odysseus in Scheria where he tells the Phaeacians first about how he ended up on their island from Calypso's island. Charybdis swallowed his raft and he survived by clinging to a fig tree growing on a rock, Charybdis spat out enough of his raft to carry him to where Poseidon sees him [see above] After telling the Phaecians about his journey from Calypso'ss island they agree to give him passage to Ithaca, and beg him to tell them how he ended up at Calypso's from Troy, so he tells them everything before that. I really love this kind of nested narration that is very common in ancient and classical literature. We do not get direct in the moment narration of the encounter with Polyphemus, we get Odysseus's after the fact report on it, we get the version of the story Odysseus himself tells about a decade after the fact. Edit: ammended comment to reflect the fact that there is a confrontation between Odysseus and Poseidon, but nothing like Epic's version.

[@MartianTechAdept]

Why was Poseidon in Ethiopia of all places?

[@composeyourself3]

@@MartianTechAdept he was invited to a feast. Mind you that Ethiopia is not the country Ethiopia that we know today, but a general term that the Greeks used to refer to Africa/land where people with darker skin than Greeks lived.

[@baconking2890]

I personally like to think that epic's poseidon was still invited, but he was too petty and refuse so he could wait for Odysseus

[@cobusvanderlinde6871]

@@composeyourself3 Not all of Africa mind you. Pretty sure the Greeks called the continent "Libya". Aethiopia was a "Libyan" kingdom in their thinking, probably Nubia as their references place it South of Egypt. Perseus goes there too... he saves Andromeda from the sea monster Cetus and gets himself a wife.

[@CloudyJester]

Poseidon is in Ethiopia! It's because those guys were having a festival (probably honoring Poseidon) that he showed up to. Poseidon royally screwed him up afterwards though, Get in the Water would have sent him to Phaecia if he hadn't gone Different Beast mode. The Odyssey even states during the beatdown that if Athena hadn't been helping him out, he would have died.

[@deceitfulhero1723]

Poseidon asks how he will sleep at night, and all I can think of is the commercial "On a mattress, from MattressFirm."

[@disableddragonborn]

Someone made a meme of if Olympus had an infirmary, and Athena is in one hospital bed because of Zeus going Beast Mode in "God Games" and Poseidon is in the other. "Ody did that to you, didn't he?" "Shut up." 😂

[@MakeItHappen505]

Favorite Details! Not Sorry For Loving You- The background vocals Calypso summons are her voice and Odysseus's. Because those are literally the only voices she knows. Dangerous- Danger has greeted Oddyseus with a smile SO MANY times (Lotus-eaters, Aeolus/Winnons, Circe, etc.) You would think he'd know to watch out by now... Charybdis- Odysseus actually recognizes Ithica. This is somehow just as heart-wrenching as the source material where he washes up on Ithica and doesn't know where he is. Get In The Water- It's so pathetic that Posideon has waited so long to do this. Has he been there since Ruthlessness? Doesn't he have better things to do? - Ody sounds more horrified to hear his wife and son will drown than when he hears that his entire kingdom will drown. -"I'll take your son and gouge his eyes" It all comes full circle. The literal definition of "an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." - "Maybe you could learn to forgive" is really rich coming from Ody, whose fatal flaw is hubris -Ody and Posideon look similar, as if they were related. Long brown hair, tan complexions, and blue clothing. This similarity speaks to the fact that they are both monsters. -Polities is smiling, while Eurlochus is angry. In Pol's final moments, he wants Ody to live a better life. In Eury's final moments, he wanted Odysseus dead. -You can't really see his mother's face, because Ody wasn't there when she died, so he doesn't know how she looked either. -At the end of Love In Paradise, Ody tries to embrace death. At the end of this song, death embraces him. Both times, he survives, because "he can't afford to die." -Both the type of guitar and the animation style changed when Ody switched from being a man to being a monster. 600 Strike- This is the vengeance saga for multiple reasons. I thought it was because, like in the source, Posideon would enact his revenge. But it's also called Vengence because Ody gets revenge on Posideon. -The final line is about Penelope. Even as a monster, Ody does not forget his wife, his reason for everything he has done. But I fear it is becoming an obsession. Like Aeolus said, Ody believes that the ends really do justify the means.

[@disableddragonborn]

One saga left. I can't believe our journey is almost done...

[@memes4life990]

One bunch of songs at stake It's one saga to make And when it's finished Then our journey's over! No crying on me now Repeat it twice as loud We must witness that day So write write write!

[@aniflowers1998]

Bigest red flag in Calypsos song is the onstant "if". "IF I came on to strong", "IF I ambushed you", always just "If, if, if". Never "I'm sorry I did-". Always just "I'm sorry IF I did-"

[@jaxsatomi1327]

Second time Poseidon has been thwarted by the windbag

[@Caineedssleep]

Poseidon - 0 Windbag - 2

[@emperorchernobog2930]

If you listen closely in "Get In The Water" during Poseidon's rage vocals you hear polyphemus in the background.

[@peachlighting1560]

There's actually a few very fun theories surrounding Get in the water and 600 Strike! 1. Poseidon's screams were harmonizing with Odysseus because after everything he went through with him, they were music to his ears 2. Ares was possessing Odysseus. Ody is Hermes' great grandson, but he's not a demi-god. So yes, he's strong, but not enough. Athena promised Ares that Ody would spill more blood to get home, so he was just paying out on her promise to him by possessing Odysseus and helping him weaken Poseidon

[@stevenhedge2850]

Except the red eyes always symbolizes the “monster” not ares

[@peachlighting1560]

@stevenhedge2850 whether it was full possession or not, Ares had at least some influence. It's been dissected and deciphered by the community, and it's really fun and interesting to see people picking up on it :)

[@MarMonkey2606]

Good sir the bloodshed that Athena Promised Ares, that Ody would do comes when he slaughters the suitors.

[@peachlighting1560]

@@MarMonkey2606 does everyone just skip over the "very fun *theories*" as in, not confirmed? 😭

[@Kingnoodle09]

There’s also Poseidon “drowning” and gasping for air when Ody says that he didn’t stop when he begged. Listen here to hear it. 22:37

[@cairothetiefling_]

24:51 Airier: Goddamn you Jorge. jorge: *Duck face*

[@noodleydoo2862]

5:19 one thing I find interesting about calypso’s song is that she never actually apologizes for anything she did- she’s giving a half-hearted apology, basically saying “I’m sorry you feel that way” instead of “I’m sorry I tried to trap you here.” It feels like she’s trying to guilt trip Odysseus into choosing to stay. I think she’s just as morally grey as Odysseus, but puts on an innocent facade. It’s not just Odysseus trying to hurt her- it’s them trying to hurt each other.

[@Kiv0143]

"Song 34: Get in the water" Airier: ........a. Thats why. This was comedy gold🤣

[@r-171]

Yep.

[@kirru6813]

@@Kiv0143 that was actually hilarious lmao

[@Masterthief_0]

Since i already talk abt this everywhere, i will do so here aswell Calypso's situation is f-ed up, yes, her story is sad and all, but she's still a goddess, with powers way above Odysseus, and the way she chose to go through with this "love" for him was keep him trapped on her island for 7 or more years and well... sa him throughout those years, and since she's a goddess he literally had no other choice. This song is also very much her seeing herself as the only victim in this scenario, and basically blaming Odysseus for everything, trying to manipulate him to stay with her. It's very much giving what narcissistic people say to get out of a situation that isn't in their favor While Calypso's story is sad, I wish that more people realised that she's, in fact, horrible, and what she did is unforgivable

[@theironarmada1308]

I won’t argue that what she did was messed up, but she didn’t keep him trapped. She could not have gotten him off her isle even if she wanted to Nobody comes or goes, both were unable to leave until Athena wins Ody’s right to leave in God Games

[@Masterthief_0]

@theironarmada1308 oh that may be true actually, thanks for correcting me there!

[@morganray542]

I genuinely cannot hear I'm not Sorry for Loving You as anything but emotional manipulation, her trying one last thing to make him stay, or make him the bad guy for leaving. That could be just a me thing though.

[@IlieTornes]

@@theironarmada1308Now, even though I think that Calypso hate is a bit out of hand, in this particular point, Athena even says in Love in Paradise that “for seven years she’s kept you trapped out of your control”. So Calypso *was* keeping him there.

[@breerex4957]

I won't argue that she's definitely not a good guy but jorge confirmed that this version of calypso did not SA ody. She was just hard-core friendzoned and went full nice guy for 7 years 😅 Still manipulative and petty until the end in typical m'lady fedora tipping fashion.

[@disableddragonborn]

I'm not surprised he didn't realize it was Athena who fought for him. I mean, he's still self-aware enough to understand how shitty he was in their last interaction.

[@Caineedssleep]

I think its because she left. She had made it very clear that she wanted nothing to do with him, cutting contact. He didn’t believe she would come back, considering how much they both said in the heat if the moment ^^

[@disableddragonborn]

"He's not the same Odysseus, that's gonna be the way out of this." Just you wait. You have no idea. He's not even Odysseus even more. He's the Monster. Poseidon came prepared for the wrong foe.

[@JackDaWarrior]

I haven't seen anyone mention the Sisifus story other than me arguing in the comments about Ody having the possibility to fight a god, so thank you.

[@an_absolute_nerd6844]

15:36 Odysseus doesn’t actually make it to Ithaca in either of those ways! His raft gets destroyed in a storm created by Poseidon and he nearly drowns (same as Epic) but he actually gets saved by Ino and washes up on Phaeacia where he is discovered by Nausicaa and brought to King Alcinous who helps him get back to Ithaca after he tells the story of his journey home.

[@drpigglesnuudelworte5209]

The musical pulled a lil Medea and made Odysseus his own deus ex machina

[@cairothetiefling_]

I also saw someone say that Poseidon's begging was melodic because his screams were music to Odysseus's ears.

[@KkHitsuzeira]

Fun fact: When he said he can't, and proceed to say "ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" you can actually hear polyphemus voice with his own, symbolizing why he can't let it go.

[@ra1nynightz]

25:09 Fun fact: Jorge and his dad built that booth together! You can see the progress in a series on Jays channel, it’s called “Dad and Jorge build a booth”! :D

[@dark5994]

out of every reaction to this saga only one person pointed out that in 600 strike Odysseus breaks the rules of this world with the "600 men" in the background nobody's there to sing that and the gods are the only ones who can summon background vocals out of nowhere so that proves that monster Odysseus has the power of a god

[@Nemial-l7i]

I'll be real... that only just now clicked in my head. This whole time, I was too lost in the epicness and sheer "whaaaa?!?" of the song. But thinking back... makes sense.

[@DeadlyKitty2000]

It could also be the blessing of a god to give him that power

[@kacper140900]

He propably is possesed by Ares, becouse Athena promised him more bloodshed when Odi returns home, so Ares wants to help him

[@dark5994]

@@kacper140900 the thing with that is you are forgetting the prophecy saying he draws his final breath and makes it home it is clear with that he is no longer a regular mortal and that part of the song shows it

[@toryumau6798]

​@@dark5994 ... When that 12.5% devine blood kicks in after his mortal phase in life. >)X^D

[@disableddragonborn]

"Five o'clock shadow Hermes" is just Troy Doherty. That's what he looks like. The eyes being blacked out were because Troy wears sunglasses as Hermes.

[@disableddragonborn]

Jorge has said he envisions Epic as being more of a Cirque du Soleil-type show than Broadway, in terms of their visual effects and stuff.

[@somerandomdude3729]

Next Saga: The Ithaca Saga! (I think)

[@neonplural]

Yep. The next and final saga.

[@Nooy_]

Cant wait to see Antinous get obliterated by Ody

[@chapalapachala-oe1oo]

i love that saga sm

[@drpigglesnuudelworte5209]

Aww father son murder bonding time

[@leebitesyou]

​@@drpigglesnuudelworte5209I LAUGHED SO HARD AT THIS

[@maskedwriter4088]

Athena promised Ares that Odysseus would make the whole world bleed to get home. I absolutely believe Ares gave at least a small bit of influence to his sister's champion to help him survive the ocean shattering. Just enough to open the darkness in his heart and release the monster.

[@stevenhedge2850]

@@maskedwriter4088 wouldn’t ares wanted to see ody do it himself instead of helping him

[@maskedwriter4088]

@ that’s why it would just be enough for him to not want to give up and die there.

[@stevenhedge2850]

@@maskedwriter4088 that that would be weakness after all Athena never used her powers to help ody she only trained him

[@stevenhedge2850]

@@maskedwriter4088 and ares is not subtle if he was involved he would have made it known

[@chascona9393]

17:00 "He's not the same Odysseus that's gonna be the way out of this" oh buddy, you're not prepared

[@CommissarMitch]

"Get in the water", Poseidon asked calmly.

[@artisticvirtuoso4501]

One fun thing i noticed rewatching the live is that at the start of Get In The Water, around the 14 minute mark here, the artist drew a face in the water!

[@disableddragonborn]

At the end of the stream I said, "TALYA, MAKE THIS MAN SLEEP!" 🤣

[@a.songb1rd]

gwendy, the animator for the final scene, said that ody took poseidon’s eye 👀

[@Nemial-l7i]

Yyyyep. I had noticed that when I was watching the stream! Lad got effed up.

[@toryumau6798]

... The guy did just threaten he'll gouge out Telemachus' eyes, so I can't really be disappointed in Ody for turning the Ruthlessness Dial up to 11 on Poseidon for being a menace to his son. >)':^/

[@Yemmeyy]

12:13 Charybdis is Poseidon's daughter who was cursed to be a monster with an insatiable thirst for the ocean! 3 times a day at that. The closer he is to her mouth, the further away the blast will be! A very minor creature in The Odyssey but she's, objectively, more terrifying than Scylla!

[@GameGuy667]

Ofc she is, why else would Ody in the og odyssey choose Scylla over Charybdis, 6 men compared to everyone, Circe herself suggested not to ever go near Chary, she's such a silly lil monster, I love her

[@Thelostapollo67]

the animations for six hundred strike are going to be epic

[@Airier]

SO very much Yes!

[@pizza_ohne_ananas]

Did you noticed that the break at the beginning of "Dangerous" is exactly long enough for the part that was normally sung by the crew?

[@disableddragonborn]

Hermes is THE trickster god, of course he's gonna be twerking and having fun.

[@area52ron]

That is charybdis she is Poseidons daughter who was mutated into what we see her now that’s why Poseidon doesn’t go near Scylla because it brings up bad memories of how he lost his daughter or how his daughter was hurt and he couldn’t prevent it

[@AVoiceForRadio]

Hermes better be on rollerskates when this gets a stage production

[@severigne_m7652]

dem skates need to be blindingly bejeweled too

[@Blood_M4ster]

Odysseus lamenting his fallen comrades. Hermes: ♫ You're gonna need a montage ! Even Rocky had a montage ! ♫

[@Glitch3950]

14:04 the sea is showing a shadow of posident’s face love that..!!!

[@disableddragonborn]

I mean, how can you NOT jam along to "Dangerous"? I highly recommend you check out the snippet he released a while ago of it. It's fun.

[@disableddragonborn]

Some people hated the jetpack. I hate that the crew he betrayed is apparently now helping him fight Poseidon. Even the six he outright murdered, apparently. This is also completely throwing out the rule that the dead who were not given the proper drachma-in-mouth burial are stuck in limbo (as we saw in "The Underworld"). (Also, if Anticlea died of a broken heart, which is an actual thing that can happen, why was the mother of the king of Ithaca not given a proper burial? Why was she in limbo?)

[@Oznerock]

I don't hate the jetpack - I do hate the fact he used it as a jetpack rather than to open a hole in the waves and disarm Poseidon (Which was what I imagined when first listening because it's a Wind bag how would you even control the flow of air to make it allow you to fly for long enough). You can't really make the jetpack idea work that well in a proper musical while also doing swordclashes. Regardless it could just be interpreted that Ody is seeing everyone who died because he's drowning - and thus halucinating from a lack of oxygen.

[@1981tids]

“ I will stop you with the power of friendship *AND THIS HUGE F*CKING TRIDENT I FOUND* “

[@vengefuljester2090]

"I'm not sorry for loving you" can very easily be a villain song. The lyric "sorry my love is too much for you" sang in any other tone comes off very preditorial and victim blaming. Calypso is not getting any sympathy from me. Hermes appearance, like many character looks in Epic are based off the people that voice them. In Hermes case it's Troy Doherty

[@raveryart]

villain song so well done people fall for the villain's manipulation. it's honestly kind of a masterclass in how abusers turn things around to paint themselves as victims

[@sorinamarcu5357]

I was thinking the exact same. The entire song is not her feeling sorry but her still persuading ody by manipulating emotions and the gigi animation for this shoe exactly that. Not to mention lyrics like "I would say I was wrong" do not mean that she is sorry for all she done to ody but rather she is like "I agree with you but do not believe I am in the wrong at all" or her not letting ody talk so he had no time to doubt her words. And also her impatient attitude grow with every lyric showing her persuasion do not work. Also she ask ody to lie to her, he did exactly that and she have a temptrom and if she was not sorry for loving him why she say "I hate that I fall in love with you" if you are not sorry you should not feel hatred for the feeling eather and accept the truth and let him go. Like I personally do not understand why the fandom look at this and the animation and are all "poor calypso"

[@fermentedoj315]

Yeah, you can be a victim and still be an abuser, it explains her actions more, but it doesn't excuse them. I like that even though she's trying to apologize, it still feels like she's blaming him, and when he tries to speak she snaps at him and just keeps going, and how Odysseus doesn't look back when he leaves. It shows you can still feel sorry for her without forgiving her. A lot of people don't seem to be catching that and think this is trying to redeem her, which it doesn't if you look into the language that's used in the song

[@thehexagon_yt]

@@sorinamarcu5357 can you imagine being alone on the island for so long, while you are immortal and can't leave? Finally someone appeared on your island and you fall in love with them, but it's not mutual. And then they leave, so you'll be alone again for god know how long. Idk about you, but to me part "I hate that I fall in love with you" looks very reasonable and even somewhat relatable. Also, it's not "I would say I was wrong", it's "I'll say I was wrong" and for me it seems like literally admitting the guilt. If it's not, then I have no idea how admitting the guilt should look like. I feel like you forget that emotions exist, tbh, I genuinely feel bad for Calypso.

[@sorinamarcu5357]

@thehexagon_yt A man arrives unconscious, and her first instinct is to make love with him despite him telling you to leave him alone, toxic behaviour from the start. Also, idk about you, but if I was on an island alone from civilization, I would be the happiest person alive. Also, even if she said, "I'll say i was wrong," instead of "I would say I was wrong," the same meaning remains for me: I say what you would want me to do it but I do not mean it at all. If you feel empathetic for her, good for you. I have no bone in me to feel that way for a song with double meaning like this one.

[@austin.j.barrett]

You're one of the people I've been waiting to see react to this, these songs are fire and most of the animatics are pretty good so I can't wait to see your reactions. Post Vid- This was just as good as I thought it would be, great job on the vid and I can't wait to see you react to the various animatics that come out. My favourite part of this saga was definitely the end, just seeing Pussyeidon get stabbed by his own trident while Ody was basically just venting was so good, I had a smile on my face the entire time.

[@YinYangAngel55]

Cant speak for others but Jorge's version of get in the water was the reason this got on my radar, that and all the animatics people were making of its half finished version. Came for Get in the Water Stayed for 600 strike, now im hooked in and waiting for King.

[@ansatsushi2834]

23:24 ~fancy metal pipe~ sfx

[@thispurplebeanYT]

😂😂😂

[@shaggyzaza-o5v]

I’m glad I did a blind listen before watching the livestream cause uh, the last two songs visuals weren’t what I was expecting

[@djmewtwo6981]

Why you think they were that bad?

[@icemagiciangh]

@@djmewtwo6981I’m guessing they mean the wind bag, Odysseus officially turning into the Monster, and the insane wounds he gave Poseidon. Like, he stabbed that man _in the throat._ You can hear the gurgling

[@Blossom319-fx7tg]

Also the realistic Odysseus was a little off putting

[@janellelin9135]

@@djmewtwo6981 honestly, it wasn't what i was expecting but i can't watch the wind bag/jet pack scene in 600 strikes without giggling

[@justabitsour3904]

Honestly the first animatic of 600 strike was such a hype up then the janky 3d showed up…kinda made it feel- I don’t wanna sound harsh but for a climatic song it just doesn’t seat right with me. Though I’m happy for Jorge for bringing his anime style adaptation fight scenes to life

[@Min-jz6jg]

fun fact Jorge actually built his own vocal booth with his dad!

[@toryumau6798]

... The man had Hephaestus himself help him build a personal sonarium! He truly is The Chosen One! >)X^D

[@disableddragonborn]

"Including some of the warriors who probably died before the trip." He took 600 men to war, and not one of them died there.

[@kairasendo1175]

I still think Ares was helping out Ody in six hundred strike. There was a short Jay made a while ago about his version of Quick Thought where he… I think taps into your darkest side in a battle or something? Also just because no mortal can defeat Poseidon one on one without divine help. Poseidon may have also just been weakened because he defied the will of Zeus, the literal only non primordial God that’s stronger than him.

[@stevenhedge2850]

@@kairasendo1175 if that was the plan the musical failed to show it ares instrument and motif isn’t in the song at all so I don’t think that was intended at all

[@TearsOfLa]

Idk, in the Illiad, on eof the greeks fought ares himself 1v1 and won, so its possible for mortls to kick a gods ass, but in this case ya Posiedon isn't a slouch and he ould probably needs some help xD

[@kairasendo1175]

@ I mean, no offense to Ares. He’s still a God, but in the myths he’s kind of one of the weaker olympians.

[@cairothetiefling_]

Some of these animations draw the characters as the people voicing them, like Hermes looking like Troy (the voice of hermes), ody looking like Jorge, and Polites having glasses like Steven

[@ThatBabeThomasFamilyVlogs]

The first saga came out on Christmas day 2022. The last saga will come out Christmas day 2024. They have all come out on holidays. Be ready!

[@biodynomite101]

havent seen anyone reaction point out poseidons face smiling below ody's raft before he shows up behind him yet, its so perfect since he was happy that ody finally was within reach of Ithaca just to see his face devoid of hope

[@Zeferet.]

Ive seen a few other animate it as though the 600 strikes were from the souls of the dead that Hermes put into the bag knowing that Ody had to open it.

[@kristinakostic2388]

Check out the HERMES (and Jay) series in Jorge's shorts, you'll see just how much fun they had with Hermes there 😂 Jorge's recording studio was built by his dad. His family is really full of very, very talented people! I hope EPIC really does end up on a stage and that the musical gets spread around the world because I really want to see this live! And a movie version, too, just hope they do it better than Phantom of the Opera 😅

[@oligb1469]

The red eyes are theorized to be Ares giving Oddy a push so he could get home and do the bloodshed Athena promised Ares in god game. Ares would be the god to empower a violent and brutal man like Odysseus has become.

[@stevenhedge2850]

@@oligb1469 too bad the red eyes have always symbolized the monster and not ares and the song has no evidence of ares instrument or motif in at all so no

[@disableddragonborn]

Odysseus should've kept Poseidon's trident. One look at him holding it would send all 108 suitors running. If he managed to take a god's signature weapon, they have no shot, and they'd know it.

[@FirashFikri-uu6yo]

Did you notice in charybdis, ody knock off some of his raft to make it smaller😊

[@proginger1152]

Not to mention seeing Poseidons face on the surface of the water before he actually rises out of the ocean

[@lineeskildsen2036]

it was actually Jorge's own mother who voices and sings Ody's mom

[@rebelskypig2468]

The middle minion is doing the Elmo fire pose I thought you would notice it's so cute with the Princess Peach outfit😂

[@rebelskypig2468]

Oh that's why😮 9:42 that😅 makes so much sense

[@nevaehaho61]

Hermes is also Ody’s great grandfather! Hermes’ demigod son Autolycus was his maternal grandfather and was a known trickster and thief. His name means “The Wolf Itself” and is why Odysseus and Telemachus are referred to as wolves in Ruthlessness and Little Wolf. Odysseus gets his cunning and tricky side from them!

[@jazzr7817]

The way I interpret 600 strike is that the spirits of his slain men, who were never given the proper rites to cross the river Styx in the Underworld, lent Ody their power so he could overcome Poseidon in that moment, where he was at least a little weakened after unleashing his ultimate move (which is super coded in Whitebeard from One Piece 😂).

[@CorvidQueen319]

There's also the theory that Ody's red eyes are an indication of Ares' Dark Quick Thought, where he was empowered by the courage/rage of 600 men.

[@stevenhedge2850]

@@CorvidQueen319 too bad there’s no proof of that no ares motif or instrument and the red eyes are symbolic of the monster throughout the story and never ares

[@mb-sb5ever]

I realy like his response as before Odysseus was questioning how others sleep at night after the terrible things they've done despite the reasons for the deeds yet now he just doesn't care anymore it's been 20 years and he just wants his wife back he doesn't care about anything else and so has finaly got his answer

[@anyathepanther7977]

He went full Video Game with the 600 Strikes😂

[@brendanmystery]

6:01 this is closer to the singer and va for hermes look than a true depiction. Think of it like with Polites, where polites only has glasses in the animatics because his singer/va wears glasses.

[@imagoatiswear1938]

I don't know if one one has said it but all of the official character designs are based on the voice actors/singers

[@ataka8676]

Zues: I should add some thunder for this event

[@mrdiamondore1014]

I have a coworker who imtroduced the Musical to me several months ago. He came in today at the beginning of our shift (We clocked in at the same time), and I asked if he saw the EPIC livestream. He did, and he complained about how sh-tty the animatics were. He hated that the ending was so anime. The worst thing he said was that the 3d animation was dogsh-t. Lastly, he complained that he didn't want to see Hermes twerking. His words, not mine. I thought that everything was pretty good, though the 3D segment definitely needs to be improved.

[@ChickenOverdriveOfficial]

Oh yeah no I loved everything but the 3d part, plus I live for Hermes throwing it back

[@mrdiamondore1014]

@ChickenOverdriveOfficial Hermes is awesome!!

[@NoamAlmog-dz9zv]

I get why other people might not vibe with this saga as much as the Wisdom saga, but besides the 3D animation (which still conveyed the general vision and got me hyped as hell to see other animators approach it), I personally really enjoyed this saga. Plus it had Charybdis, my favorite instrumental in ALL OF EPIC. PERIOD,

[@Blue-100]

That's sort of disappointing to hear

[@mrdiamondore1014]

@Blue-100 Yeah, I was honestly surprised that he said all that.

[@CommissarMitch]

"So if you don't have much to say", says Odysseus in the only song in the musical that is not a duet.

[@disableddragonborn]

He officially has his whole family in Epic. I was wondering how he'd get his sister in. I was thinking AS Odysseus's sister, but since Eurylochus was her husband, that'd be a bit... awkward, considering Odysseus basically murdered him to save his own ass.

[@whitetimewolf]

I want to point one thing about god games. Nobody seemed to have noticed this at the end of the song. Zeus said to release odysius. Anyone else who noticed that?

[@Giganotus]

Thank you for pointing out that mortals harming gods is a thing that can happen in Greek myths. They're gods, but polytheistic gods aren't the same as a monotheistic god. They're not omniscient, not omnipotent, and not limitless. Even if immortal, they can be wounded, disabled even. They can be tired, they make mistakes, they can be tricked and surprised. Not to mention gods operate on different rules than humans. What might seem trivial to a human might be an insurmountable obstacle to a god. Like how they couldn't take fire back once Prometheus handed it out. That simply wasn't something they could do.

[@spiderlily723]

The problem isn't Poseidon being hurt, it's that it breaks the entire narrative of the musical so far.

[@Giganotus]

@@spiderlily723 agree to disagree there

[@dragoness7181]

I don’t know if it was just me, but I thought I saw Ody’s eyes go wide after the lightning lit up Poseidon’s body/wounds. Like he was shocked by what he was capable of. As if to say: “holy crap… I did that…” Like all the rage and adrenaline just snapped out of him in that moment.

[@disableddragonborn]

Epic has been what keeps me going for a while now, and I have a lot of trauma-rooted issues with finality, so I'm genuinely praying Ithaca Saga doesn't come out this year. I'm not ready. I never will be, but still.

[@razorwhipqueen8972]

[34. GET IN THE WATER] "Ah . . . that's why" Y E A H

[@imolderthanu2]

A lot of people are intrigued by the characters' looks, when I am pretty sure a lot of the artists use their voice actors as inspiration for their design. Hermes in vengeance is definitely pulled from Troy Doherty, his VA

[@shadowsneak8505]

Six Hundred Strike really got me emotional when he was stabbing Poseidon shouting about his friends.