What is EPIC The Musical?

[@echolynn13]

"They gave him glasses??" It's a surprise tool that will hurt us later :')

[@IvanIsYda_]

nOOOOO

[@invaderzam]

🥞

[@IvanIsYda_]

@@invaderzam my boyfriend likes to giggle pancake whenever open arms plays😭

[@Ace-bt2yw]

How dare you 😢

[@Kiv0143]

@@Ace-bt2yw How dare you be this correct!

[@khoinguyen5004]

That cyclops was the peak of "My father will hear about this"

[@alexeysimushov4971]

He doesn't know yet...

[@CyberKnifeVR]

The Peak of "My Dad owns the game, he'll ban you"

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

​@@alexeysimushov4971 He does, he knows the mythos and as soon as Odysseus gave his name he pointed it out.

[@ArianaSpellCosplays]

I get that pun and yeah the cyclops did probably say that in his head or something

[@jackwriter1908]

Fun Fact, that line was never said in the Harry Potter books and was only used 2 times in the movies. But also, _YES!_

[@disableddragonborn]

"Because he's probably the least fucked up." Y'all, I don't think this man is ready for Epic.

[@tumblingartist]

It just comes with a massive asterisk that says “*AT FIRST”

[@Justalittleguy3848]

Yea

[@woofwuf]

“Probably the least fucked up” -someone who probably hasn’t checked up on Odysseus’s mythology

[@jackwriter1908]

I mean to be fair, most of the greek heroes are pretty fucked up... it's easier to count the ones that aren't and not the ones who are. I mean most people tend to forget what Heracles went through...

[@belladinh6879]

Fr

[@MasterZeus94]

We've got another one, Winions! FULL SPEED AHEAD! :D

[@halfknight2310]

ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US!

[@Kaybri0526]

WE’RE UP WE’RE OFF AND AWAY WE GO‼️

[@firebrandpacific6967]

WE’RE UP WE’RE OFF AND AWAY WE GO!

[@Ash_quacks]

(WE’RE UP AND OF AWAY WE GO!)

[@Ash_quacks]

“WELCOME!”

[@paulsmith410]

Jorge has spoken about how he has changed parts of the story and characters to serve this retelling. Odysseus is much softer in the beginning than in the book because this story is focusing on his descent into becoming a monster. When he finally gets home he won't be the man Penelope fell in love with.

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

Musical: I'm so sorry!!!! Book: Yeet the baby

[@julessamuels4588]

@@nicholasgutierrez9940which is funny because in the odyssey he categorically does not yeet the baby, it’s Neoptolemus (Achilles’s son) who does that.

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

​​@@julessamuels4588 It depends on the myth, his death is in the Illiad and it never concretely says who yeeted him. One source says it's Neoptolemus, but another says it's Odysseus. Even if we went with it being Neoptolemus, though, it would have still been on Odysseus' orders.

[@area52ron]

@@nicholasgutierrez9940the yeet the baby reminds me of that lion king edit

[@darkturtle9996]

@@nicholasgutierrez9940 perimedes vibes

[@disableddragonborn]

"And he's frozen up because his friend died." Not just his friend, Polites was Odysseus's *_best_* friend. The one man he cared about as much as himself and Penelope and Telemachus.

[@terra4822]

And remember, Odysseus didn't lose any of his men during the war.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@terra4822 Of course, war is a different environment than just sailing on the open sea. Yes, he was skilled in war, but people seem to conflate that with his skill as a captain. He's shit at being a captain. His decisions all rely on his own wits, and they have lethal consequences. In war, you know to expect danger, and what type of danger.

[@jlablue3401]

@@disableddragonborn May I ask why you say all of his decisions as captain had lethal consequences? I won't argue, but I'm curious for your interpretation.

[@16Marverick16]

@@jlablue3401 Ody tends to be a softie as a captain. With his crew, for example, he repeatedly did not punish their advances with the various acts they put Odysseus through (The wind bag, as an easy ocassion).

[@iamgoodatnamingthings8808]

@@16Marverick16hmm yeah true

[@Souru_TV]

When it comes to the designs, most of the characters were based of the actual singers. It's something the community decided to do. Some animatic design choices came from Jorges own Interpretations that he mentioned in his TikToks. Jorge also adores the animatics and later decided to use some in his promotional material. Also yes Jorge is both writer and the singer of Odysseus.

[@Airier]

Huh, so that's where the designs came from. Makes a lore more sense why they were so unified. 😮

[@anonym0us371]

@@Airier Considering Odysseus' patron Olympian and mentor to his line was Goddess Athena herself - the glasses being available make sense. I mean, her spiritual animal was the Owl - and someone being Owl Eyed was an old way to say someone wore spectacles :P If that makes Athena a glasses girl in your personal headcanon now, that's fine by me!

[@toryumau6798]

⁠@@anonym0us371 … Ok, I’ve heard you out. Athena being a glasses girl… is now loaded into the cranial cannon. >)X^D

[@awildnoviceappears]

​@@anonym0us371Bring this to Jay's attention! Now! /j

[@MazeRunnerStories]

@@Airier Yes, Steven Dookie, VA of Polites, Wears Glasses, And also the reason Eurylochus Hair is Short is Because Armando Julian Looks Like that.

[@thedepressedcat4316]

Just for context the reason Polites wears glasses is because all the characters designs are based off the actors who voice them in real life, and the voice actor of Polites (Steven Dookie), you guessed it, wears glasses.

[@nymphea-the-silly-fucker]

oh no not his last being dookie 💀

[@aerieleah533]

That explains why so many Odeseus look so similar. They all look similar, even when the artist changes.

[@catsandclassics]

Athena in Epic has a power called Quick Thought where she can basically pull someone onto like, a different plane of existence briefly and have an entire mental conversation with them in seconds. The weirdness at the end of Open Arms was Odysseus being pulled into Quick Thought.

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

Did Jorge say this? This is the first I've heard this.

[@catsandclassics]

@@somedudewatchintv5297 He has several videos about it lol

[@Sam-fp2qh]

​@somedudewatchintv5297 Yes. Jorge has confirmed this multiple times on his tik tok and KZbin pages when he talks about his vision for the character and story.

[@charadreemurr9256]

​@@somedudewatchintv5297 almost literally word for word :-) (yes)

[@charadreemurr9256]

i wonder if this is brought to stage the poor guy is gonna be standing there in the same pose for a full song or is he gonna pull out a chair comically (or have lights out so he can go backstage n prepare a stained clothing or smth for survive idk idk n then come back when warrior of the mind ends)

[@deathstrokecat5390]

Important to note that the animators aren’t always collaborating. The animatics are based on the songs, the original mythology, the animator’s interpretation, and the information Jorge gave about his process of making it. They are not necessarily “cannon” One of the details animators keep in mind a lot is how all vocals are diegetic. And are always from actual people (mostly the soldiers) except in the presence of a god cause they can just summon their own backing vocals/chorus.

[@thelocalshoop]

^ there are exceptions of course, those being animatics commissioned by jorge himself! these are the animatics that show up on the official livestreams- its where the canon designs and visual-only interactions can be found (such as the god games ending, or certain details of mutiny). this is usually the only time collaboration is happening between jorge and the artists, and even though artists can make official animatics they can still choose to make their own unique animatics. i love seeing the various designs and interpretations its one of my favorite things abt this fandom!!

[@00_light_00]

And yet the character designs are always the same 😭 Polites, Eurylochus and Odysseus always look the same lmao

[@deathstrokecat5390]

@00_light_00 yeah the designs are based on their performers, that’s why Ody looks like Jorge

[@00_light_00]

@@deathstrokecat5390 holy shit how did i never realize that

[@ToaArcan]

"He's probably the least fucked up." Aha... ha... Tell me, when does a man become a monster?

[@Airier]

For some of the other heros, that's step one (LOOKING AT YOU, JASON). 😁

[@ToaArcan]

@@Airier Jason getting hard-carried by his wife and then pissing off Zeus, Hera, and Helios at the same time by dumping her.

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

I don't know how much you know about the Greek epics but the heroes(definitely not the modern understanding of the word) can get brutal.

[@baddicusauraelius1728]

Ah, clever... clever indeed

[@sureindubitably3771]

Wait til he gets to "Different beast" 😂

[@Shadeius]

Fun fact about Remember Them: The omission of proper burial rights means that the soul cannot cross the river Styx as they don't have the price for Charon. They would linger on the shores of Styx for a hundred years before allowed to cross or possibly become ghosts.

[@missing_names8001]

So is it randomly chosen? Like some random soul who wasnt buried with coins to pay the ferryman gets chosen because, why not?

[@disableddragonborn]

That's a fact, but I don't see how that's "fun". That's heartbreaking. 😂

[@theirishviking9278]

​@missing_names8001 ive seen a version where if they do a favour for the ferryman they can cross But i dont know if thats baised on anything though

[@TheFlame_Hawk]

​@@missing_names8001pretty sure it's a really long line and the coin is a fast pass

[@hjonk8434]

Actually, I believe this is correct, but they would become wraiths and not ghosts. Scylla says in her song (in the thunder saga) that the people dying would 'live our their lives as wraiths', meaning if they can't be buried and have the proper rights done, their souls linger and become wraiths.

[@DrakeDragonton]

I love how Gigi’s Odysseus shown right when he’s leaving for war looks so similar to how Telemachus looks in her animations further down the line

[@disableddragonborn]

Jorge Rivera-Herrans, the creator and voice of Odysseus, didn't get a single penny in royalties from these two sagas, so when he released the latest saga, Thunder Saga, he also released Official Concept Albums of the two sagas.

[@Dawn_the_dragon]

When I found that out about that I remember being so mad the epic team deserves their money!

[@Dawn_the_dragon]

Also I see you on every epic video, I always smile when I spot one of your comments. Full speed ahead my fellow winion friend :D

[@disableddragonborn]

@@Dawn_the_dragon Most people think it's weird how much I comment, so reading that actually made me smile a genuine smile. Thank you for that.

[@Dawn_the_dragon]

@@disableddragonborn : )

[@Aviculture.bronzecloth]

@@disableddragonborni don’t think I’ve seen you before, which is odd because I normally watch every single epic the musical video on my for you page, but I hope to see you again if I can!! It’s nice to know someone else other than myself only watches these like an obsessed lunatic ‼️‼️🔥

[@Sam-fp2qh]

Epic was split up into sagas (which are essentially just chapters), and so far, the ones that have been released are in order; The Troy Saga The Cyclops Saga The Ocean Saga The Circe Saga The Underworld Saga (ending act one) and The Thunder Saga (beginning act two) Next to be released is The Wisdom Saga

[@NamMisa]

Isn't Thunder Sage the end of act 1 actually?

[@shadowwolf7851]

​​​@@NamMisa Nope, the underworld saga, song: monster Is the end of act one, the thunder saga starts act two with song suffering

[@appleblossomstar]

​@@NamMisa No, the climax of the first saga is Monster. Although, I agree with how Thunder bringer ends it would work too

[@awildnoviceappears]

​@@appleblossomstarwith how wisdom starts it also fits. Legendary being an introduction of Telemachus like What'd I Miss was an introduction of Jefferson. Although, Suffering and Different Beast (because I'm counting them both as the opener like The Horse and The Infant and Just A Man) is a good act opener too, starting with a fake out and then showing how Odysseus is affected by Monster.

[@awildnoviceappears]

@@appleblossomstar also, I can't quite see Monster as anything other than an act closer. Thunder Bringer works but Monster works too well to not be the closer

[@altarudragonspirit4016]

10:41 Important thing to note here: whenever a mortal character (like Oddyseus) is singing, any background vocals are being sung in-universe by people in the background, and whenever a god is singing (like Zeus in 'The Horse and the Infant'), the background vocals are being generated by them; also, each character has a signature instrument that plays whenever they are singing in the musical, and there are *many* recurring motifs throughout 17:25 Just gonna state for the record because this has been a thing before, Mirxi's name is pronounced 'Mirchi' 31:14 Neat thing in 'Warrior of the Mind': When Athena first sings the 'Warrior of the Mind' lyric, she ends it by holding the note, but when Oddyseus joins in, he ends the line in a run, and the second time they sing it together, they both end the line in a run; and when she sings it one last time at the end of the song, she sings it alone and still ends on a run, showing that Oddy's attitude was starting to rub off on her :) 39:27 This beginning part of the song features a pretty infamous recurring theme in the musical known as 'The Danger Motif'. a lot of people had a hard time trying to find where it was used, but this is the first instance of it 48:04 Not Poseidon (yet). Other cyclopses

[@revionbelmont7298]

Well, it might be the first repetition of the danger motif, but it first actually appeared in the horse and the infant, during the war scene when everyone is fighting. It’s interesting to me when you listen to it just how many motifs are shared from the first song, like with survives opening verse being the same as the part leading up to the infant if you listen to the melody of Zeus singing.

[@AquaticDot]

@@revionbelmont7298 Oh, I never noticed the connection between Survive and The Horse and the Infant, although I have heard that same motif pop up a couple of times after. That's so cool!

[@baddicusauraelius1728]

​@@AquaticDot it's also in Warrior of the Mind during the segment where Odysseus is asking Athena to show herself! That's one I didn't notice until recently so thought I'd share

[@tifainehobbs-dubois1236]

Also they're riff they sing together is in goodbye. And she starts singing that riff and in the end of the song the note where she would have ridged it she sings it how she did at the beginning of warrior of the mind. To show that she's cut off from ody 😢

[@sleepybatteriezzz]

The character designs are modeled after their singers! Odysseus is voiced by the creator of this entire musical, Jorge. The reason Polites has glasses is because his VA, Steven, also wears glasses. Just helps differentiate between all the characters you're gonna meet!

[@leadingblind1629]

That moment when - even knowing the story - the new winion has no idea just how ... prophetic ... their choices of words is

[@zenari6471]

Waiting for him to know about all the symbolism motifs and how this plays out later on

[@alexelcrac1967]

29:30 i got flabergasted by that

[@beckenfuggle644]

Totally agree

[@tumblingartist]

@@alexelcrac1967right???

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

"She's training him to be the monster!" yeah, you had it right the first time.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Not quite there is a slim path of being efficient and preventing more harm then needed. Problem is, he always misses it between wrong mercy and going over the top with cruelty pretty much, every choice he makes in either direction leading to desastrous hurt in every directions

[@Alini_]

Just so you know, Jorge has pulled a Taylor Swift and re recorded the first two sagas as he wasn’t getting any royalties from them. So if yall want to stream the Troy saga and cyclops saga make sure to use the newer albums.

[@VioletDragon137]

The oh recordings aren’t even on Apple Music anymore

[@SingingSealRiana]

I feel like that an excuse and ead manly done to make athenad mushered lyrics a bit less mishearable

[@Epicc013]

Also something to include is that he changed the album art

[@SquirrelGirl13]

That DEEP sigh when he gave his name is so real.

[@SingingSealRiana]

That man is supposedly the brightesst of greek heros.... If they had social security numbers back then he would have given that too

[@bisco8360]

"Oh yes, she's training him to be the monster! Oh wait, not the monster, the fighter, the warrior" *Sweats nervously*

[@SingingSealRiana]

Pretty much, she trains him to be efficientt, careful, clever take calculated risks.... He becomes a monster by instead trying to get aeay with wrong mercy to make himself feel better or when that comes back to bite him to over correct into needless cruelty

[@disableddragonborn]

I forgot Wolfy included Scylla in "Full Speed Ahead" and it caught me off guard. Act Two has only had one saga so far, but it has been painful...

[@disableddragonborn]

"Incredibly marketable plushie." I'm fairly certain that there is Winion plushie merch.

[@greycat_2280]

I believe think there were some stickers a year or two ago... If I remember correctly Jorge is planning the release of winion plushies :D Edit for writing mistakes

[@disableddragonborn]

@@greycat_2280 I'm broke, so I have no idea what merch is out tbh. 😂

[@DmantosSanint]

Hot take: Hamilton wishes It had this much swagger.

[@colt1903]

Epic wishes it had a Broadway, so I'd say it's a fair trade, yeah?

[@DmantosSanint]

@@colt1903 toche

[@MildlyPerturbed]

@@colt1903EPIC might make it to Broadway one day.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@colt1903 Actually, Jorge has said he'd prefer something more akin to Cirque du Soleil's shows.

[@mostlyimpulsive3462]

Let's not pit two bad bitches against each other 😂

[@Kingscaleyt]

You actually missed a song in the cyclops saga, it’s called “My Goodbye”

[@A_Random_Dragonfruit]

Was looking for this

[@Thekirbinator87]

When you get to "Ruthlessness" I suggest that you watch the animatic made by Anniflama. It is the most popular one and has my favorite design for Poseidon.

[@itsnotdiana]

Yes! I see the playlist has Gigi's version, which is still great, but the one by Anniflama is so amazing. Also since he already knows about Poseidon connection with horses, I feel like he would enjoy certain details a lot

[@stellarstudios999]

WOOOO! Hello! I'm the person who suggested this in the discord! So happy to see you reacting to this! You are in for a hell of a ride!

[@dayashissh]

I SALUTE YOU, THANK YOU!!! YOU'RE DOING THE GOD'S WORK! ❤

[@disableddragonborn]

I'm a Hellenic Pagan whose patron is Dionysus, and I'm sending you vibes of festivity (Dionysus is god of wine and festivity) for this. Thank you.

[@29iya18]

You have done a great service to our community, I also salute you 🫡

[@Hua-kun]

28:42 "This kid's awesome, Im gonna teach him to kill things" 💀

[@catsandclassics]

I love Mircsy's Polyphemus design so much, he's like an eldritch horror

[@raging_berzerk359]

Jorge not only wrote all the music but he sings the role of Odysseus. I’ve been following him since he first announced the drafts on Tik Tok and it’s been amazing

[@area52ron]

The thing is Polyphemus is a young cyclops which he was bullied for so his father gave him the sheep and the sheep became his only friends and which Odysseus killed then compared the worth of his friend to the worth of wine so yeah Polyphemus was offended

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

This isn't quite canon in the Odyssey (He's "the most godlike of cyclopes," whatever that means), but he IS the youngest of the herd.

[@area52ron]

@@aadityayanamandra8846 I see

[@nottellingya9887]

Idk where you pulled allat from😂 In the Odyssey he's the strongest cyclops and we know next to nothing of his backstory

[@area52ron]

@@nottellingya9887 this is what I’ve been told by a lot of people

[@andrewdiaz3529]

​@nottellingya9887 this retelling of the Epic

[@mr.turtlecards4722]

Arier is finally watching peak let's GOOOOOOOO

[@leadingblind1629]

I know he'd be a Winion!!!!

[@leadingblind1629]

I knew he'd be a winion!!

[@disableddragonborn]

You discussing the apple made me think of something. Who would a kid give an apple? His teacher. Athena is his mentor. His teacher. Mircsy, you absolute genius!

[@dragonova279]

I cannot wait for you to suffer through the sagas. The epic Animators are like the goddamn flash but an army in releasing these animations. The newest saga came out around 2 weeks ago and there are over 40 something animations on just 3 songs Also this series is amazing not only due to animation but the music tells a story if you listen to so many different points and notes with instrumental and int´struments alone. Jorge our lord Jalapenjo is a goddamn genius

[@vlogwithkay4889]

The instruments alone ignite a spark in my soul!! Cried throughout the whole sagas 😭🤣

[@halfknight2310]

14:50 it's because the singer has glasses, so the fanbase gave him glasses in the animatics.

[@BlueCookies1116]

And it's a cool opportunity for... something very silly in the future :)

[@SingingSealRiana]

Most characters look like the actors, beside poseidon and zeus, for reasons 😅

[@Caiyu-lj1uq]

As a note, the reason all the characters look the way they look, is cause most of them (mainly Odysseus, Polites, and Eurylochous) are modeled after their singers. That's why Polites has glasses.

[@valmid5069]

“What is EPIC The Musical?” *Another great take at Greek Mythos but with music*

[@anonym0us371]

There's two different accounts about who threw Astyanax from the battlements - Pausanius says he was thrown by Neoptolemus (son of Achilles) while "illiou persis" aka "The Sack of Troy" (author unknown) says it was Odysseus who did it. Either way, his fate was debated by the Greek war council, and the threat of him becoming an avenging son was what ultimately led to the infant being thrown. Edit to Add: Interestingly, the two accounts about the death of the son of Hector are only found in those two poems, which were written after Homer's Illiad. Technically that makes those accounts in-Era fanfiction... take that how you will.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Lancelot is also an oc in king Arthur, same for his son replacing him later when the thing with the queen is no longer socially acceptable

[@a.n.9800]

Off-topic but I swear this animatic had a mute section after the music that shows his hand opening, implying he dropped the baby. But several reactors haven’t shown it. Am I thinking of the wrong animatic?

[@anonym0us371]

@@a.n.9800 After the problem with Blair Russel Productions (the original music label Jorge used to release the songs deciding not to pay royalties or release ownership of socials back to Jorge) - the first two Sagas (Troy and Cyclops) had to be re-recorded with a new, improved mix. Gigi then remastered the animatics with the new audio, *adding* the opening hand as Jorge had finally revealed (in "Monster") that Odysseus really did drop the infant - and most videos you've seen have people reacting to the original version of the animatic, not a "cut" version.

[@a.n.9800]

@ Thank you for explaining, I was so confused.

[@noteloiseafton917]

0:15 The first saga is about the end of the Trojan War. The rest is about the Odyssey

[@lilysong1321]

I love how you said the Shonen training montage because Jorge has said a lot that he’s pulled from Anime and video games.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Its especially obvious later with athena in god games

[@MTwizzle]

My favorite canon event, realizing why it’s called “the horse and the infant”

[@AceLesbianTree]

for the cyclops saga there is still a song left called 'my goodbye' i definitely recommend watching that one too before moving onto the ocean saga

[@disableddragonborn]

"Training me to be the Monster--- no sorry" Accidental foreshadowing is always fun with Epic reactions. 🤣

[@TheGraeyRebis]

Yeah, the thing to keep in mind with this adaptation is that the original epic written by Homer was in general a cautionary tale about why you don't wanna piss off the gods while the musical is focused less on the gods and more on the crew's perspective of the odyssey.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Also ancient greeks did not have a lot of consideration for morality, while this is all about where the moral lines lie, and what it does to people to cross them

[@cryingtomatohead8626]

The other eyes were actually his older brothers. Polythemus was the youngest of many cyclops.

[@nottellingya9887]

Untrue😂 Who's spreading this false information? Polyphemus is the strongest cyclops

[@baddicusauraelius1728]

​@@nottellingya9887strongest doesn't always mean oldest, he could still be the strongest yet still be the youngest in the family

[@nottellingya9887]

@@baddicusauraelius1728 we have no information about that.

[@baddicusauraelius1728]

@@nottellingya9887 it's still a possibility if there's no information against it as well

[@nottellingya9887]

@@baddicusauraelius1728 oc was presenting it as a fact.

[@S_Echocaster]

So here's a detail that's not explained all of Zues' god children like Athena and Ares have time slowing powers, often associated with a ticking clock or metronome.

[@SantosoWijaya]

I think Quick Thought is just Athena’s

[@S_Echocaster]

@@SantosoWijaya No Ares does it in God games against Athena. He doubles it to slow her.

[@Cinder5andA5he5]

What is Epic the Musical? Me: Becomes an immediate fanboy and unskippable ad for several hours

[@m0ejo324]

Welcome to Epic! Since I haven't seen anyone mention this here is a few things to know: Each character has at least one instrument tied with them, that a special feature we'll come back to later. Whenever a god sings they can summon back up vocalists to sing with them since they are so powerful, however whenever a human character sings whenever there are back up vocals other beings has to be there with them. Edit: Also in Greek society/tradition if you gave someone an apple it means you care for someone deeply. Also re listen to the Lotus Eaters you hear some say "Scary cave".

[@Lithiel]

If this is not a future Live Action Musical- I DEMAND an Animated Movie Musical with the best studio putting the work on it! HIRE some of those ANIMATORS!

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

genuinely so cool that you caught the "when does a man become a monster" applying not just to Odysseus, but to baby Astyanax as well.

[@chascona9393]

28:40 "Hahaha, this kid is awesome, I'm gonna teach him to kill things" I AM ON THE FLOOR LMAAAAOOOO

[@alexhart1279]

I just started this with you, that final line in the first one! “The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose, all you can choose is whos.”

[@JinxDoesChaos]

1:00 oh my sweet summer child...

[@Bungungus]

just so you know, when you get to the point where Charybdis would be in the odyssey, she's not there, she'll be in a later song

[@SingingSealRiana]

Technically she is encountered twice, she is the reason why offering 6 men to scylla was the lesser of many evils

[@disableddragonborn]

"Odysseus is a much more enjoyable story for me." I thought that too. I still do, but now it's a masochistic enjoyment. Like, Epic has traumatized me, but I love it.

[@booranofthesword]

At 12:16 Charybdis is the garbage disposal worm and Scylla is the 6-headed one

[@GLArts_64]

Dude I’m getting so giddy and giggly watching you react to this I love Epic so much. I listen to it almost every day and have almost all of what’s been released committed to memory.

[@Airier]

😮😊👍

[@rainestar6781]

same I listen to it on repeat at work until I literally have to stop because I can't stop myself from trying to sing along

[@GLArts_64]

@@rainestar6781 oh I DONT stop myself from singing at work. It’s annoyed one of my managers so I try to sing quieter lol

[@rainestar6781]

@@GLArts_64 Oh I don't stop myself from singing either, but I actually find myself trying to go hard on a lot of the songs when I'm alone so I wear out my voice and have to stop singing lmao I swear, one time, I almost lost my voice trying to do the last song of the newest saga

[@GLArts_64]

@@rainestar6781 dude same I go so hard on Mutiny, it’s become my favorite song in the musical.

[@KSClaw]

On the bright side, having waited almost a year to check out EPIC, means that you have a lot more animatics to watch o3o

[@wolfitrix]

Fun fact: The musical's money is with Blair Russell and those small critters with the lotus fruit are called:"Winions" aka. The ✨EPIC✨ fans and they're voiced by the creator of the musical! And the musical is under the creator's company "Winions Entertainment©"

[@saddlebag]

Thanks for the shoutout, I’m glad my playlist is serving you well! It’s possible I may lag behind watching your reactions, as I’m unfamiliar with the story of The Odyssey, and would like to avoid major spoilers.

[@Cap.0201]

HAHA! WE GOT ANOTHER ONE BOI'S!!

[@Airier]

😁

[@Micaerys]

Ooooooh... Welcome, Airier, welcome -vanishes into the shadows- No, but seriously, so happy you're watching this

[@amidahime]

I haven’t seen anyone say it, but the apple could also be a reference to how Athena tried to get the golden apple alongside Hera and Aphrodite, but the apple went to Aphrodite as she promised to give Helen of Troy to the guy who had to give the apples to any of the three Goddess, declaring the one who had it be the “most beautiful Goddess” ever. If memory serves me right

[@your.setting.sun44]

I just started the video but… yipeee, I was one of the people recommending it (on an alt account) and even started working on an EPIC animatic myself! So excited to see your reaction to my favourite musical, I really enjoy your content:D

[@yay29823]

An animatic? Tell me about ittt

[@your.setting.sun44]

@@yay29823 it’s an animatic to a fragments from “Scylla”, I’ll release it on July 28! If you’re interested, there are two shorts with small unfinished fragments of the animatic on my channel. I’ll also work on animatics to earlier saga’s after I’ll finish Scylla. Thank you so much for asking:D

[@disableddragonborn]

Mircsy's design of Polyphemus takes aspects of Poseidon's creations and combines them. A tentacled face like a sea creature, and hooves of a horse. (I commented this before you mentioned it. It went over my head until I read about the reason, so my dumb brain assumed most people wouldn't know.)

[@lolster626]

14:55 the characters in the animatics resemble the voice actor, the voice actor of polites wears glasses so they gave him glasses also, its a surprise tool that will hurt us later

[@nicky23anims68]

copied comment sorta

[@juliancorrales395]

31:50 it is the apple that the gods were fighting for during Troy so it’s saying oh he was what she wanted during troy

[@matthewdougherty1159]

yup it good when i was watching it it reminded me of Overly Sarcastic Productions only if it was animated and with music. and what ones i have seen follows odysseus journey it good 😁🤓

[@Airier]

At least from what I've seen so far, I agree. It really is good. 😁

[@razorwhipqueen8972]

"I am the infamous ODYSSEUS!" *pauses the video* *disappointed sigh* "Okay"

[@peachberry9774]

The glasses are actually in homage to the singer for Polites! Every character is modeled facially after their singer to an extent. Also, in the song Remember Them, the reason Odysseus doesn't want to kill the Cyclops is because of Polites. Polites was his best friend and a very kind and loving individual, which was shown with the song Open Arms about just taking things easy for once and not resorting to violence immediately if there's another way. With his friend dead, Odysseus remembers his lessons of kindness and mercy and is deeply hurt that such a sweet soul had to die because of the rage of a monster when the Cyclops could've just taken the trade. Athena's lessons as a Goddess of Wisdom and War are to never leave things unfinished but Odysseus is blinded by grief and wastes time trying to teach a lesson where there should be none. Athena abandons him who can't follow her teachings anymore, and Odysseus is left fully at the mercy of the God's who show none at all

[@K1NG0FW0LV35]

Ayyyyy Airier is joining the winion army! You'll love it dude... It is very reminiscent of Peter and The Wolf with how Jorge uses specific instruments to identify certain characters and it is reminiscent of Lin Manuel Miranda's work (Hamilton, Encanto, Etc...) as well with the pacing and sound! It truly is a masterpiece and it isnt even finished yet! Jorge is truly a genius.

[@kitsgamingcorner3189]

If you haven't already watched/recorded to Ruthlessness, I highly recommend AnniFlamma's since you made the Poseidon and horse connection

[@itsjayk6581]

I’m a music major so I’ve been watching a bunch of vocal coaches take on this. It’s cool to hear somebody who knows the real story and can tell us what the differences are! Please react to more of these!

[@lovedbz5814]

You are my new favorite person!!! You actually knowing about mythology and pointing out little details and enjoying the musical is everything!!!!

[@icemagiciangh]

With so many pieces now being made out of mythology, I wonder how different this batch of media would be if Rick Riordan had never written Percy Jackson

[@missing_names8001]

14:50 Fun fact, Most of the characters are designed after their voice actor! So Odysseus looks like Jorge! Polites looks like Steven Dookie who also wears glasses. Every character has their own instrument too. Odysseus has an acoustic guitar and an electric guitar, Athena has a piano, not sure what Polites instrument is though. Eurylochus stands out though because he has the crew backing him up. 47:53 Those are actually other cylopses. Polyphemus doesn't pray to Posidon until after Odysseus and his men leave

[@SKW212]

The Lotus Eaters did in fact come before Polyphemus' island. The main difference is that the musical starts with Odysseus' journey instead of with Telemachus, and for obvious reasons cuts off some of Odysseus' encounters (like the Laestrygonians - though they are indirectly mentioned; I'm at the 23:19 mark when writing this, so I don't know if you will reach to that part in this video). There's also a small inside joke about the musical, related to the man who died at Circe's island: he was supposed to be mentioned in the musical and even be one of the main 'characters' there, though he was scrapped out, so the writer also didn't mention his death, you only know about it if you pay attention to how many people died before getting to Circe's island and after. Editing to mention, the characters' design is actually based off the singers' actual looks.

[@oreocooki3375]

Funfacts! There is a danger motif played everytime there is danger near, each charchter has there own instrument. Expect one person who just has backing vocals. And the rules of this world are gods can make there own backing vocals, but mortals have ti have others make them. Like when ody speaks the crew backs him up, or polties had tbe lotus eaters. But the gods such as athena dont need it! Also I do request you dont talk about too much about the future just because all of epic hasent been released yet and I havent read the odyssey yet so kinda spoilers lol. Anyways you know I love your content and Ive been asking for this for months so thank you SO much. If you wish to split up your watchs to saga then the cyclopse saga has one more song, the next one. The next one is the ocean saga with 4 songs, then the circe saga with 4 more, then the underworld with 3, and finally the newest saga/thunder saga has 5. I think there 3 more sagas that have yet to be released :) [also the cyclopse saga and the troy saga were recently remastered to if you decide to listen to this in your free time please listen to thise instead as the orginals were not giveing the creators his royalties] when your cuahht up I truely reccmend chrcking out the creator/odyseus as he is AMAZING and funny and has but so much thought and detail into his songs that I cant even fit here and just trust me when I say there is so much beneath the surface to the music, its truely genuis. Thanks once again for finally watching epic, cant wsit for more!!!! ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉 🐎 👁 🌊 🐖 👶 ⚡️

[@lolster626]

16:35 he writes it, writes the music, and also voices ody

[@theblackestdove]

I have watched Just A Man so many times and watched so many people react to it and I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE SKULL IN THE TREE. THAT'S SO COOL.

[@charlesaether237]

LIGHT THE TORCHES WINIONS, WE FOUND A WINION IN THE MAKING! Edit: Oh right! I forgot, what you're listening currently is the old version of Troy Saga and Cyclops Saga, during the new releasat of ACT 2 Thunder Saga, Mr. Jalapeno released a new version of both Troy and Cyclops Saga, the animators are currently, maybe in the process of replacing the music on their animatics, so all we can do is wait patiently.

[@buzelekunfuzeled]

Fun fact the ancient Greeks invented glasses so polites very much could have worn glasses

[@zowwycafe]

i asways thought of the apple in that warrior of the mind animatic to be the golden apple that started the war and it represents athena's honor, while she may not have been given the golden apple, she's basically claiming odysseus and saying that she created the legendary hero that he is. just my personal interpretation :)

[@Thatmythupsessedmfer]

Ehhh I thought it was just an apple plus ummmmm Polities kinda proposing to Ody as throwing someone an apple in ancient Greece meant a proposal if you caught it you said yes but in the animatic Ody ending up dropping it soooooo

[@zowwycafe]

@@Thatmythupsessedmfer i meant the one athena holds at the end of warrior of the mind not the literal one polites throws lol. the apple shows up again with athena in my goodbye too

[@Thatmythupsessedmfer]

@@zowwycafe ahhh ok thought you meant the one Polities threw for Ody

[@wholesomeslaboftofu9200]

"This is the will of the gods" Zeus is such a gaslighter bro 😭

[@Airier]

Technically so was the Trojan war. They just didn't agree. 😅

[@SingingSealRiana]

Yeah, he us such an ahole, as if he wad nit the king of the gods he acts all dont shoot the messanger I am just a simole bydtander who totaly feels sympathy for you and does not get of of the powertrip of forcing your hand

[@IvanIsYda_]

Polites has glasses cause his Voice Actor/singer has glasses. Same with Eurylocheus in terms of features as well, and Odysseus is acted and sung by Jorge himself, and also matches the features of the actor/singer

[@Rei-qs7xr]

The apple of discord that indirectly started the Trojan war which is what I thought it referred to. An indirect act can have far reaching consequences

[@lop90ful1]

Holy i didnt expect this im so hyped everyone did amazing job on th project Pretty sure Jorges wanted it adapted on very advanced theater stage so that everything is of the high quality he would have wanted Also all animatics are just amazing

[@HappiHopper]

The Odyssey : Long/large book The Odyssey if Odysseus didn’t tell the cyclops his name: short book

[@SingingSealRiana]

He literally creats his problems for hinself

[@Aratakiittofan]

Another reactor made a small comment about Odysseus that I think sums up his main flaw. When he was arguing with Athena, he said, "Who do you think you are?? You're just a human." Which sums up Odysseus and many other greek heroes. He doesn't realize that he's just human. He's so prideful and arrogant that he thinks he's on par with, if not better then a god, which he soon realizes with how absolutely fucked over he gets by several different gods/demi gods (Circe) he is not.

[@Airier]

Yup. Hubris is a MAJOR theme in a lot of Greek writing. Oddly enough, Odysseus is one of the least offenders (even though it is one of his main flaws). Although here (in Epic), I'd say his bigger issue is running in without a plan and then making one up on the spot.

[@_xV01Dx_]

Jorge did initially write in a song about his men (especially Elpenor and Perimedes) that takes place with the lotus eaters. It was Elpenor saying they should just leave Perimedes there whilst Odysseus disagreed. It was later cut and just left as a draft and Elpenor was kinda cut from the musical and we don't hear from Perimedes until The Thunder Saga.

[@thebunlet]

Adoring watching your reactions- most people who listen to Epic aren't super familiar with the story of the Odyssey, so it's super cool to see someone who knows the story of it already! (Edit: Listening to some of the comments you made about mythology, whenever you get to the song "Ruthlessness" I highly recommend checking out AnniFlamma's animatic! I believe in the playlist you're using they include a different one, but there's something you were excited to see during one of the songs that is showcased a lot in Anni's version that might be a fun bonus for someone who knows their way around Greek mythology.)

[@m.l.kow1998]

They're dumb. They don't even wanna know the og they're kids who think it's some new generic action adventure trash like Percy Jackson

[@LoreMagpie]

Acutally Polyphemus ate six of oddyseus’ men in the cave. And those eyes were other cyclops who came check on Polyphemus, oddyseus giving his name as ‘nobody’ meant that Ployphemus said ‘nobody hurt me’ as in he wasn’t hurt, not that ‘nobody’ hurt him. I will say that depending on which animatic you watch, you will get different interpretations or little details on the characters. I believe the next one after this, Goodbye will be one such one. I’d give a watch to more of the animatics form different artists in your free time.

[@rubenfernandes4517]

Brace yourself for Poseidon with ruthless is a really powerful song

[@rachelfurniss8768]

Important thing that I don't see a lot of people mentioning: Odysseus doesn't choose "mercy" at the end. He chooses spite: to let the cyclops live, blind and in pain, rather than finish off the danger he poses bc he wants the cyclops to remember what Odysseus took from him in return for the death of his friends. It's why *spoilers* Poseidon doesn't believe his "apology" in the Ocean Saga. Bc Posiedon knows exactly why that happened. It's probably part of the reason Athena got so mad at Odysseus after he announced his name to the Cyclops. He keeps trying to hide behind his grief and claim it was a mercy, but the truth of the matter is that he made a dumb decision just to make his enemy suffer and it endangered everyone around him and went against her teachings.

[@CHOSHASHI]

What I did NOT expect on my 2024 bingo card was for Airier to find out about the masterpiece that is epic the musical

[@sarafontanini7051]

fun fact: there are other animatics that give the cyclops a more standard design. The specific animatics used here for suvive and polyphemus are fan favourites because of how CREATIVE they are with the cyclops' design, giving it a terrifying monstrousness that reflects its parentage while also displaying how its pain at the death of one of its sheep is genuine and how odysseus and his men aren't COMPLETELY innocent here even if they didn't mean any harm.

[@ShyyGaladriel]

We do not talk about Argos. WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT ARGOS. 😭😭😭

[@HorseChild]

Argos was a very good boy 😭

[@sofityagi8392]

Atleast he could see argos one last time Unlike his mom

[@F_doesnotwanttobehere7]

@@sofityagi8392STOP HOW DARE YOU😭

[@SingingSealRiana]

​@@sofityagi8392honestly dying of grief is more mercyful then being happy to get reunited only to get killed by the hand you longed too

[@greeninja1396]

Polites has glasses because his voice actor also glasses. In fact almost every character resembles their voice actor in some way.

[@akaittou]

I don't know if it's what was intended, but the apple being involved with Warrior of the Mind, and Athena holding it at the end, reminds me of the Apple of Discord that originally (arguably) caused the Trojan war. Athena was one of the three goddesses who claimed it, and she was NOT the one who won. So it symbolically puts even more weight on "Don't dissappoint me."