The EEL 12V Battery Case. I could not find anything negative. First ever 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸?

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

Clean and efficient design. Worthy of five frogs 👍

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Great!

[@mandimandi2523]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia The nuisance is that the box doesn t work with the double hole studs from EVE ....... Furthermore the BMS is not the HC-version. And there might be no space along the cells to install a heating element, just at the bottom i suppose. So for mobile applications in cold regions its not my first choice. Thats the reason why i am going to build a 12V-box by myself ..... EEL is ok with the 48V boxes. Hard to find a heating element not getting warmer than 50 degrees celsius. Sunfunkits from Louisana seems to have one but shipping to europe is very expensive. So i found by accident a solution with beehive mats.....

[@cyclemoto8744]

@@mandimandi2523 Are you able to share your solution? Cheers

[@mandimandi2523]

@@cyclemoto8744 i built some LFP batteries before with textured coated boards. Material is not that cheap anymnore but ideal. JK-BMS of course. for a 12v-battery i use a heating element: 20x15cm 20W heating pad for beehives, 2 units. no links otherwise yt erases. at ali search for "Silicone Heater Pad Honey Bee Hive Warmer" and a digital thermostate. for example the xh-w3001.... Where are you from?

[@energieundhobby]

That looks really good, it's nice when companies learn and react to problems =) We missed you at Intersolar in Munich. Maybe someone here can “have mercy” and organize Andy’s flight to Munich next time, that would be just amazing 😃

[@robjohnston8632]

Great review. I would say 4 1/2 frogs. It would be nice to see the box a bit more water tight if you wanted to use it with a electric boat motor. With the side cover that comes off for the compression bracket, water would come in. They did put the bms on too so that would help. Happy solstice to you down south! Sad day for us in the north!

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yeah, OK for specific applications it might need some adaptation. Watertight, top terminals, handles... all different needs and requirements.

[@trevortrevortsr2]

I like it Andy - perfect for an RV or canal narrowboat - storing close to 4kw and enough current for a 2kw sine wave inverter - would run a microwave etc - def market for it

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yeah, it can store a lot of energy for its size and can run most things without issues. I would even run the 3kW Peter inverter from it. The JK can deliver up to 300A for a few seconds. Ideal to get this chainsaw started.

[@joesmith1142]

Wow! Thats approx a $600 total cost build for the box and cells for 300+ Amp hours. Thats half the price of some of the top of the line Epoch 300Ah batteries. this is a great box for us sailors who would like to build our own simple 12 volt batteries but also want to have lots of control through the BMS or to be able to upgrade the cells as newer and better ones become available or get damaged. So excited. I might get a couple of these instead of buying batteries already assembled which can be a real pain to quickly and easily service. Lightning strikes are a real danger for boats and can quickly destroy a BMS. It would be easy to carry a spare or two and replace them on the go if this ever happened in the middle of an ocean. Great stuff! A remote display would be an absolute dream to have in addition to the bluetooth. 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

A display can be added to the removable front. There is lots of space...

[@cowboyrolo7892]

I'd be very interested in some 24v DIY battery builds, love the channel, Thanks!

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yeah, 24V is really not my thing as I could not use this battery anywhere. I have no 24V equipment and the battery would not fit into any of my systems.

[@davidspeed1951]

Edit: New Info Available ... Looks like competition in this market is heating up. Prices on the kits seem to be all over the board. Some decent deals on 24v boxes through CNEEL iirc on Ali. The EEL box -seems- to discourage setups for series (2 x 12v = 24v) operation. Original comment: I too had an interest in a 24v system to power a remote link to my ISP. Looking at prices, it looks like you can just build 2 12v boxes for the same price and get additional flexibility. Also spend capital in smaller increments.

[@clarencewiles963]

Yes I’m seeing 89k subscribers 06/21/24/15:30 eastern states time zone 😊 Thanks for your great work.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Thank you, Clarence!

[@Chloe_Priceless]

Seeing your face on the Gobel Power Stand at the Intersolar in Munich Germany was hilarious :) feeling that you where there with us even from the underside of the world :)

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yes, I got heaps of photos from others with that. So funny... I was actually going to come for the event, but time and $$$ didn't make it work this year. Maybe GP sponsors me next year to be at their stall😊

[@dlya_svoih]

​​@@OffGridGarageAustraliaeel, jk and others should participate in sponsorship as well ;)

[@steffenboehnke4204]

Ich habe die fertig von EEL gekauft und seit 1/2 Jahr im Wohnwagen im Einsatz. Mich hatte das robuste Design und der günstigste Preis überzeugt die Batterie zu nehmen 😊 Klappt super 👍

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Ah, thanks for sharing your experience. Good to know!

[@claudewilkerson5162]

just received my eel box and it included 2 foam sheets and it is every thing you said and more. defiantly 5 frogs. if it fits in my camper i will order 2 more

[@Carsten-PV-DIY]

Five frogs for sure. Love the design as well. Manual not needed. Foam, is available in all good equipped offgrid garages worldwide, right?!! 😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤ Thanks for testing.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yeah, they will include two foam sheets in the future, so all good.

[@pteepan2708]

Thank you for doing this 12v case. Nice to encourage good builds. Give it a 5 is the price is really good, Good as in the most affordable DIY case. I'll give it a 4 until I see the price.

[@jebw]

Yes, 5 frogs. Very nice with all aspects.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

OK, 5 from you.

[@davidpatrick1813]

The only negative thing I can about the kit is the negative battery circuit. I am positive the positive circuit is a thumbs up. 🙂

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Hahaha, I had to read it a few times to get it😆

[@Vekselbass]

Of course 5 out of 5! I’ll send a link to the video to my engineer friends as an example of good design🎉

[@JensSchwehn]

Just had a bad experience with eel. I ordered the 12v box more or less after I saw Andy's video because i've got 4 cells in a wooden box and the battery case would be nice. I did not received any order confirmation and no resonses to my mails. Payed via PayPal. Last Week I set a deadline to get back to me or I would have to open a case at paypal. Today I received an empty package. Am I the only one who had this happend with EEL?

[@laurentsantaibambu7324]

Hi Andy and thanks again for this great video!Chinese suppliers when they want to do well, they succeed!! Obviously this quality of finish comes at a price. But it's really nice to see Chinese products finally with a good finish. thanks again for Share it!

[@geoffkingsmill4127]

Can you update the firmware on the older 4S JK BMS to get the functionality to set the 100% SOC?

[@RFDarter]

Nope

[@wayne8113]

Thanks Andy. Only 4 &1/2 frogs from me, new laws for RV's battery box in Australia has to be vented to outside or put the battery outside sleeping area, so water proof battery outside is the easier option. Its a shame it look great, well engineered.

[@FreeFlyFreak69]

Thanks for covering some 12v Been pondering going LiFePO for my RV, don't want or need to go higher voltage

[@olafschermann1592]

Temperature sensor is best suited between 2 cells. To accomplish that either under an EVA tape or milled into the epoxy plate (if it has the same thickness)

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

The sensor is too thick for either. I have seen people printing thin 2mm plastic spacers which have a channel for the sensor.

[@tujuprojects]

Does the bluetooth work from that Faraday cage?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Ah, yes, no problem.

[@mikedixon9957]

Andy, after you switch off the bms with the button on the battery box, do you still have voltage across the external battery terminals? I do… after i turn off the bms it drops from the 13.2-4 volt range down to 8v. Guess i would have thought the external terminals would go to zero volts.

[@Chris-ut6eq]

good question!

[@seymourpro6097]

Great looking battery, kit and cells. My thoughts on battery voltage look at the intended supply and the intended load. Any location where 12v is the norm (cars, vans trucks) then 12v is a good idea. If the maximum current will exceed 200A then look at a higher voltage ( high current means fat wires and lots of IR heating)

[@s.mendez7160]

Nice video production. I would replace that Knock Off ANL fuse with a genuine UL Listed Eaton or Littelfuse version. Ultimately, a Class-T fuse mounted externally to protect the battery cable given the amount of current available.

[@GadgetReviewVideos]

Can we do half frogs For 4.5 Frogs? Always room for improvements.The sticky foam, manual QR code, and maybe a display since the BMS supports it or at least and place for the display if. you purchase it later and an option.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

4.5🐸 are fair. Thanks.

[@s300bhp]

They have just uploaded a video showing their new 280ah stacking box with new JL BMS, it will be interesting to see what price this is.Maybe your next test and review Andy? Great work mate , Merv

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yes, I will test this the next.

[@pederlindberg2097]

Looks really good, but really nothing to complain about. What if they would have put the BMS on the side, and had an window on the top so you could see the "valves" on top of the cells easily?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Extra costs, I guess. Why would you want to see the valves?

[@markkrajcar3729]

Clean and very well thought out. For marine applications we need a rotating on/off switch and T class fuses. Would these work somehow?

[@michaelmedicworldoftanks33fps]

Very tidy and sturdy design I'll give it 4/5 🐸

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Great, thank you!

[@Chris-ut6eq]

Curious, when fully assembled can your phone still connect to the BMS? Where to the RF waves escape the box for a BT connection? (top lid also looked like steel?) I'm going to have 4 of these, but will still need to connect with each BMS and pull data into the main automation system. For safety, would also like to see some kind of protection on top of the BMS so nothing can short pos/neg. 4.5frogs and your point of having a spare red/black cover was good as well. At approx 5:24 you mention 2x 6gauge wire for BMS to terminal. Was that really 6gauge? not 3? or 1/0? 6gauge is for about 55amp continuous so that's undersized for 200amp BMS. Am I missing something? if it is 6awg, frogs drop well below 4 for safety reasons.

[@Chloe_Priceless]

Andy you are mentioning the MB31 .. on the Intersolar they showed a mb56 which was a lot bigger but I didn’t took a photo. But that should come out at the end of the year. It has only layers in it and not the squished „toiletpaper“ construction so it is (so said the woman from eve) preventing a thermal runaway and will make it very less likely to happen. Together with the half c rate it has somewhat between 8000-10000 cycles. Would be great to see that coming into an diy Case … but then we are out of our hobby I think.

[@mandimandi2523]

the price is not only the double of the 304Ah, but a lot more. cycles more than 12.000. we have to wait for mass-production....

[@dtvking]

5 frogs, Yes. Very nice 👍

[@GregOnSummit]

It's a baby 48v box ... cool ❤

[@tiborchren]

These 12V and 24V ELL DIY battery boxes are great. The only thing missing is the Touchscreen option on purchase, only then I would give it 5 out of 5.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yeah, as an optional accessory... I agree.

[@melbuh7016]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia The optional external displays are available on their shop. A small one and a big one with touch. You just made me hurry up this morning, when I saw your video... I already had two of the boxes in the shopping cart, together with 4 48V JKV4 with Touch Boxes... now after your video I have to fear that they run out of storck 😂

[@Eric-Juffermans]

Hi Andy, I’ve got the white Eel 48 battery case with the JK BMS. Works as a Charm!

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Coming up next on the channel! I'm looking forward to it.

[@saschahorstkotte3331]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia Moin Andy, I hope you mean the V4 vertical box😀. I ordered one 4 weeks ago and wait and wait and wait🙄🙄🙄

[@CNEEL-BATTERY]

​@@saschahorstkotte3331Waiting is indeed annoying, but sea shipping is indeed the most economical way of delivery. We can also provide air delivery, but I think few customers would be willing to pay such a high shipping fee.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

@@saschahorstkotte3331 Yeah, I have the V4 here.

[@stevenlane729]

Only 4 frogs from me. The box is unnecessarily large with lots of free space around the cells, the compression plate doesn't go to the top of the last cell and you needed to add packers to ensure that the cells didn't move.

[@HybridShedIraq]

I think I bent a 4mm steel plate while compressing my cells 😅😅 I can confirm no issues so far even the difference between the cells are minimized now 😊.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Outch! 0.5Nm is enough for 6x M6 screws.

[@HybridShedIraq]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia they are 6x m19 studs!

[@sebastienl2140]

Nice box, My only fear is the bluetooth signal strengh with full steel enclosure, maybe a little plastic windows for optional screen can solve this

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Makes no difference. I have several metal battery boxes and signal is still strong enough to reach your mobile even if several meters away.

[@mikybinns9343]

18:13 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

5 frogs again!

[@michaelfleming8454]

A really good looking and simple kit, definitely worth the 5 frogs. What I would really love to see is a 12v battery using the JK B2A8S30P BMS. I believe this one has inverter pre-charge circuit (C-) and a Parallel connection too? But I cannot find enough information to confirm my suspicions. 300A continuous charge/discharge, perfect for the Caravan/RV setup.

[@mandimandi2523]

if they erase because of the link. have a look at the diysolarforum ....

[@Nomuas]

Hello Andy, could you explain why do you have red mark on P- and B- on the Bms ?

[@jwbos85]

Hi Andy, 5 frogs! great video! I also had a the same JK BMS but switched to JBD due to the high idle power consumption (loss couple amps per week) when leaving the battery stored for a few weeks. What are your thoughts on the power consumption? Could you expand on that sometime? Thanks for everything!

[@Dirt-Diggler]

Thanks Andy, just ordered one, hopefully it's on it's way to the UK as I type 👍

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

You won't be disappointed!

[@mandimandi2523]

might take 6 weeks. do not see at the EU-stock and you are a "brexiteer" ...😉😉

[@mandimandi2523]

@@Dirt-Diggler did you contact the guys at EEL? Did you get any information when they shipped the box? may be that they did not have stock in china. The information policy of EEL is not the best. There should be EU-stock BUT you are UK. Thanks to boris johnson - the biggest liar - and the brexit as a consequence EEL will ship from China ...... For EU-members the box comes from Poland ....

[@mandimandi2523]

@@Dirt-Diggler my comment was erased by YT.... well, you are from the UK. So sending out from the warehouse in Poland will not happen, because thats EU (and customs procedures apply again when import to uk, NO UK-stock...). You have to suffer from the "smart" brexit-decision. Ask the guys what about the shipping date. may be that there was no stock anymore in china.... when i ordered my stuff 4 weeks nothing happend - they argued because of chinese new year and i had no tracking number. so contact howard and find out!

[@Dirt-Diggler]

@@mandimandi2523 ​It took 9 weeks but i gues the red sea issues won't have helped , just unboxed it and i'm very happy with it,. Andy was spot on, very nice bit of kit, worth the wait (ish) lol

[@MrBellda]

🐸🐸🐸🐸 - A display (and may be a CB) would make it a 5. However best 12V system thus far.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

I'm not aware of a 12V box with MCB... They usually have a fuse only if at all.

[@athertop]

Nice kit. I would love to see a 12v battery build suitable for house/leisure bank in marine environment - I.e a sail boat. So a plastic enclosure rather than metal if you get the chance to try something like this. Also keen to know if those 12v JK BMS units can be connected in master/slave config as per your 48v ones, as boat would need more than one battery paralelled, and conneted to inverter-charger such as Victron Quattro or multiplus. Loving your channel. C'mon 90k!

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Thank you. There are lots of options for 12V LFP batteries out there. Some are supposed to be IPx6 rated but they don't have JK-BMS. The BD series of these 12V JK BMS cannot communicate among each other, they are pure standalone devices. However, there are some solutions out there where a Raspberry Pi collects all info of the individual BMS and combines them to either send to an inverter or just for data analysis.

[@athertop]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia the other option of course to increase capacity to say 600Ah is to series 4 blocks of 2 parallelled cells (in each block), so only one bms used. The cheapness factor still leads me at looking to build with eve cells in some sort of plastic enclosure. Winston cells would be nice but far too expensive for my small wallet. Maybe I will have to build a fibreglass enclosure. 🤔

[@athertop]

I also meant to ask the community here. What takes presedence if you have an inverter/charger (let's say this is Victron multiplus) and mppt/solar both wanting to charge your batteries? If both the mppt and inverter/charger are Victron units will they use comms to give priority to solar to save on grid power? Or aren't they that smart?

[@tanguyprevost5910]

At last ! 4.5 frogs due to missing tapes. Please try the the EEL 48V (horizontal) JK kit !

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Thanks for the 4.5🐸 I'm currently editing the video for the 48V version.

[@georgedemean2228]

I got the same bat box about 6 weeks ago, I was totally blown away 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸

[@petrkroupa1798]

Very good design! I like it! 5/5 🐸

[@Gregoryfoustalierakis]

Hello, Thank you for your help. I have 4 12 volt lithium batteries connected in series at 48 volts. however, I have a large voltage variation between the batteries. In the morning I see a battery with closed bms and during the day I see one at 15 to 15.8 volts. the other three are between 12.7 and 13.2 can you tell me what could be wrong?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Not ideal as the cells can only balance within a single 12V pack. There are 12V battery balancers available to help with such a problems. They work pretty well. s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DDY3VkL

[@THE_NORTH_WEST]

Definitely 5 frogs. I'm stuck with using 24v system, do you think it's possible to build a 24v battery using a 48v vertical battery case as there are no vertical 24v battery cases available? I don't have the space for a rack mount case.

[@TheMartinmy]

Is there a lot of bending stress on the balancing connector on pcb? This looks like a weak point. Is it through hole or surface mount?

[@jerrygeerts9912]

5 FROGS Andy !!!!!!! I'm having the EEL 48V 16S Server Rack Battery Box DIY Kits with JK BMS Energy Storage Stackable. Superrrrr quality.....🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Got it here in a box somewhere. Coming up next...

[@joshoday88]

Looks the goods Andy, only down side i can see is the bms is only 200amp😢 would be good if there was a 250amp bms option.

[@andiglaubtderregierungnich3056]

QSO rocks - 16x MB31 - all over 331Ah. Top product.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Oh, wow, even better than mine...

[@andiglaubtderregierungnich3056]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you for the tip. I bought these after seeing your results in the video a few weeks ago.

[@iamblaineful]

This is perfect. I run my mountain cabin on 12v as I have very little 120Vac needs/desires, so a 48v battery didn't make much sense. I have 2 sets of MB30s that I would love to get in cases and off the floor. My only desire would be cases that are stackable, but I can live without it.

[@videogenie1236]

4 Frogs It's a very nice 12V battery box. However, it has no safety isolator switch.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

12V batteries don't have that. They are for camping and RV applications. It has a fuse, so no need for an isolator.

[@JdZ-2023]

Yes, for me the same. 4 frogs only. A mechanical breaker is a musthave, for safety you can't rely on the soft switch in the bms only.

[@waardom]

Orange for the Dutch… 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸. This is also a great design for a 48V DIY box…. Including the orange and rounded box 👍

[@mandimandi2523]

The nuisance is that the box doesn t work with the double hole studs from EVE .......😭 Furthermore the BMS is not the HC-version. And there might be no space along the cells to install a heating element, just at the bottom i suppose. Thats the reason why i am going to build a box by myself ..... EEL is ok with the 48V boxes. Hard to find a heating element not getting warmer than 50 degrees celsius. Sunfunkits from Louisana seems to have one but shipping to europe is very expensive. So i found by accident a solution with beehive mats.....

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

EEL have a display version, it looks quite nice, the only thing I can see from a 12V usage side, it would have been nice if both sides of the box were fixed to ensure moisture protection where the battery sits, especially good for camping etc, and the compression etc could then be dropped into the box like a bathtub, this would be great

[@RCDallas12001]

Great looking battery box... excellent review as always! The dimensions show 383mm for length, is that the box or to the end of the teriminals? I'm looking for something to fit under the seat of a 2022 Fiat Ducato.

[@mandimandi2523]

be careful with the size. ask them first. the dimensions at the 48V-box are just for the box.... thats not very smart from EEL...

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yeah, just the length of the box.

[@RCDallas12001]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia looks like the dead space at the removable panel doesn't help in this case. One half frog down for me....

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

@@RCDallas12001 Thanks for your feedback and rating.

[@lukesparrow2151]

Will this box work with the MB31 duel terminal?

[@SomethingGood56]

Cant wait to build it myself. Next week should cells arrive.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Have you ordered this 12V box?

[@SomethingGood56]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia yes. Box waiting in coner. Everything arrived same like you get. Only hardware box was broken, nuts and bolts are around the box.

[@ryankidwell9362]

Hey Andy, love your videos. I’m considering ordering this box for 4 spare EVE 280ah cells I have. I’m not real familiar with the JK BMS. I would like to charge this 12v battery using my 48v battery bank on my boat. I currently have a Victron 48v-12v DC-DC converter powering my 12v stuff. Can I simply charge this battery using the DC-DC converter, or do I need a LifePo4 specific charger? If i had to, I could get a Victron 12v-12v DC-to-DC charger, but would like to avoid it if I could.

[@alanblyde8502]

Looks tha biz, prolly a on/off circuit breaker would be a great added bonus def 5 frogs 🐸

[@Chloe_Priceless]

The only thing which they have to add on the 48V System is rackmounting Rail Screw Holes so that you can put the expandable rails on it for better maintenance when rackmounted

[@wadeholden]

5 frogs.... a great set up

[@andysutils]

Now that, is a battery box!😮

[@irfansensoy5901]

Hello. I bought 16 EVE 280AH batteries 2 months ago. I also procured JK-PB2A16S15P bms for these. I installed it and have been using it for 45 days. My cell number 14 started giving unstable voltage values. While it is not visible in instantaneous currents around 15-20 Ah, it shows a higher or lower value than other cells when drawing or charging energy above 25 Ah. For this reason, I cannot charge and discharge properly because the BMS reaches the lower and upper limits set before the others. Especially during 40-50 ah charging, when the cell sees the upper limit value of 3.5 volts, the bms limits the charging current to 10 ah and this continues until I restart it manually. Is it normal to see abnormal values ​​in cells in such a short time? Additionally, the charge and discharge current limitations on the BMS do not work at all. The hybrid inverter I have tries to charge the cells without any limitation on how many amperes it sends. What advice would you give? Thanks.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Definitely not normal. I doubt it is a problem with the cell itself. Most likely a connection issue. Swap the bus bars of this cells with some others and see if this makes a difference. If not, swap the cell with another cell and see if the problem sticks with the cell regardless of where it is mounted.

[@alanbutterworth4219]

Really nice battery.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yes, I like it very much!

[@TravisHutton-iv9rz]

Very good design, 5 frogs 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸!

[@raystone4673]

Lots of boxes ticked here. But the fuse-to-cell conection is terrible. If mine, I'd put a 'tinned' copper washer with tight 6.0 mm hole, at least under it, maybe on top as well.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

What do you think is terrible with this connection?

[@raystone4673]

Hi Andy, love your shed. I think your original doubts about those welded studs contact area, was well founded. Even if your tests showed no local hot spots, that flat surface on the cell is not ideal for a high current to pass. They could have used more area of the terminal base, and welded a bigger area stud. Your magnet test once said it's steel, and so about 18% as good as Copper, or 30% of Aluminium. If you had a tinned copper lug, bigger in area than the stud, with a 6.00 mm hole in it, (not 6.5 even or 1/4"), that would be the way to make the best of a bad cell design. The fuse with a slot that is 8.5 mm wide, and much longer, results in very minimal contact area. The tight red condom covers on the fuse may reduce rating? I know these later, high cap cells have reduced recommended current specs, and your application won't push them. I've ordered some EVE-LF280K- HSEV from Gobel, for EV application with the optional double-screw thread terminals. The 1C contin/ 2C pulsed rating means 560 amps for 30 secs discharge would need everything going for it. They wouldn't fit in that box because of height I guess.

[@johnmajewski1065]

Andy looks great question-if you build 3 battery boxes as one 12 v system for a sail boat would you have a BMS in each box or only one BMS to regulate the balance of the 3 batteries?

[@CollinBaillie]

Definitely one BMS per enclosure/box. You hook the 3 boxes in parallel, so there is nothing to manage there.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Thanks, Collin!

[@johnmajewski1065]

@@CollinBaillie Thanks there is more complexity changing from AGM to Lithium battery's, to prevent damage the alternator or wind generator.

[@Dr-T]

Its a 5 Frog product! I bought one in the UK it took about 8 weeks to arrived direct form EEL in China

[@offgriddreaming5403]

That makes a very neat 12 volt solution 👌🏼

[@niktak1114]

They need to add a double stud terminal option for this

[@stromgewehr]

I ordered two, intending to use the double stud terminals. I spoke to EEL and the only thing that changes is I'll have to come up with a different solution for the fuse.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

I'm sure you can tell them when you order and they will put some in for you.

[@niktak1114]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia the website says single terminal only. They'll probably have to do something different with the fuse since it might not line up correctly with one of the double studs.

[@mandimandi2523]

@@niktak1114 i talked to them some months ago. the problem seems to be the big stud. double stud is my favorite too ... but only the original from EVE....

[@benwouda]

Does the Bluetooth work when the case is closed?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yes, absolutely no problem.

[@JFK666666]

5 out of 5 frogs - no doubt! Will be ordering a 24V version when I'm back from holliday :) Any idea if it's possible to buy without BMS? (I already have a 200A JK Inverter BMS that I'm using)

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

I'm sure you can buy one without BMS, just let them know when you order.

[@DivyangM]

"Weather is amazing today, we had 80 amps" - One nerd to thousands

[@panos8444]

Beautiful, 12volt, 2S4P ( high capacity 12v) how to balance? Best BMS? etc

[@CollinBaillie]

The JK BMS included does the balancing. It has an active balancer built in.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Yep, go for the JK-BMS. Link is in the description.

[@binauchich]

Some holder would be nice?

[@egbertegberts5384]

I've received the 48V version and it includes the EVA foam. The quality is the same.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Coming up next here on the channel. Getting all battery case reviews out of the way at once 😅

[@andrew81632]

I'm not a fan of the side terminals. RV's are often designed around top terminals. The side terminals usually require a design change. Just my 2 cents depending on your RV build. I swapped an SOK 12v battery BMS for a JK inside the SOK case. If this was an option at the time it would have been far easier to build.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Fair enough, thanks for your feedback and thoughts.

[@joesmith1142]

Thanks!

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Thank you very much!

[@peterryan7340]

That looks amazing

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

I thought so too. It has all the features.

[@peterryan7340]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia so approximately $700 for a 300ah 12v lithium battery with a great BMS and bluetooth. So good 👍 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸

[@HellTriX]

amazing box, i want to mount two of these on my vehicle :)

[@andreasw5925]

Looks Pretty much like a shrinked eel v4 Just built 5 eel v4 48v boxes with the inverter bms - and only one minor issue when one temp sensor was not working. I just replaced the ntc myself. The quality of eel boxes is good. Only the diameter of their cables for 200A…. Not so impressing

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

The EEL 48V box is next on my list. The double 6AWG wire in the 12V box is good for 150A. As it is short and not many people will push for more than that continuously, I think it is OK.

[@Chris-ut6eq]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia If it does not meet rated capacity, it's not ok. in USA 6awg is only good for 55amp continuous. This is a problem. If someone wanted to push it to 200amp, this is a big safety issue. Does not matter if only 1percent of people want this. the BMS is rated for 200amp continuous? Did they upsize the BMS but not the cables? I think in your video, you said the fuse is 250amp? This is red hot fire territory for those cables. Safety is to manufacturer rating not how many people push up that high. Trying an outdoor test pushing 200amp through the box. Would make for a dramatic video. I was getting close to buying this but they seem to have cut corners that can harm people. Curious where you get 150amp number? What I can find online says 6awg is 55amp. Am I missing something?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

@@Chris-ut6eq I'm using the Jcalc website for Australian regulations. 6AWG is 16mm cable, good for 72A. Being a very high stranded wire with silicone insulation, they can cope with more. There are tables online for these cables. The length of the cable and how much air flow it has plays a role as well. So 80-90A if not 100 should be possible. The BMS is 200A, the breaker 250A and we have 2x 6AWG cables, so at least good for 150A. I'm not too concerned about it as we never push continues 200A through the BMS and the battery. In case of a short, the BMS will shut-off, if it fails, we have the breaker. www.jcalc.net/voltage-drop-calculator-as3008

[@Chris-ut6eq]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia If you are comfortable with this for your personal use, based on the assumption you will not push more than 140-150amps through a device claiming to support 200amps, that's fine. Anyone else using this should look at their national electrical code for amperage guidance. In the USA, for copper core 55-75range is possible depending on the type of insulation. Keep in mind the higher amperage means the cable will be putting off ALOT of heat at 150amps, that why the high heat resistant insulation is needed. IF someone does not pay attention and tries to use the full rating of the BMS (200amps), this wire is a fire hazard. Depending on the wire to burn through and short out to trip a breaker means you are already in serious trouble. The internal fuse sized at 250amps is not helpful either. I assume the BMS default limit is 200amps? Also the fact this is in an enclosure also would mean some derating should be considered. Anyone reading this, use the NEC (National electric code), see if the cable including has any markings for meeting cable insulation standards (they look someone like this in the USA, TBS, SA, SIS, FEP,FEPB, MI, RHH, RHW-2,THHN, THHW, THW-2,THWN-2, USE-2, XHH,XHHW, XHHW-2) Then look at the guidance in the NEC for enclosed use poor to middling air cooling. If your personal use case aligns with the current capability of the cables, be sure the BMS and internal fuse also work for intended amperage. As shipped this device IS a fire hazard at it's 200amp rating, using the 250amp fuse. Never depend on external breakers for what's going on inside the battery box. Breaker sizing is whole other thing as breakers have ratings for AC/DC and timing curves with ratings like A/B/D/etc which determine trip times for resistive/inductive loads. A external breaker is protecting things outside of the battery box. In the USA, consider using a good quality copper 3/0 gauge or even 4/0 if you want to get 200amps to power a 2000/3000 inverter. If you want 150amps, upgrade to 1/0 or 2/0 and change out the internal fuse. Be sure you get a high heat insulation rated insulation for safety. In general, don't be cavalier with electrical safety. National electric codes exist because people have already died when things went wrong.

[@ΝώνταςΑθανασιάδης]

I bought it !!!!its perfect!!!!!

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Oh, wow, you're not mucking around😅

[@markmcmaster403]

Looks like a 5 frog review to me. I think I will order one now.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

It looks really good!

[@tiborchren]

Keep the fuse and also add a Circuit Breaker as ELL have on larger battery boxes.

[@david8igore]

only negative i can see is a lack of seal’s where the case bolts together to prevent moisture getting in but i like the design and I’m buying one too :)

[@panospapadimitriou3498]

turned whole warehouse lights to 12v DC ////13.2v to be precise for all led lines and all i see is efficiency goes bad . i did this to avoid inverting from 48v to 230 and back to 12 but conversion from 48 to 12v still demands big ammounts of losses!!!! any thoughts of sending 230 and installing ac to dc right close to the leds ...or let it be ? ?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

It is the long 12V runs which cause the issue. Current goes up and efficiency down. It's probably better to run 230V to each light and have the driver connected to the LEDs. I think, that's the most efficient way.

[@jbjensen11]

Great video! 5 frogs

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Thanks!

[@taj-ma-haul9094]

Like# 1,1?? - Woot - 12v, I think I only have the trailer brake & light system? You know what would be really nice, a very small, compact 48v "emergency jump/inverter start" pack. My Growatt inverter will not start if it does not have 48v from a battery...

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

I'm in the process of building such a 48V battery. Watch this space...

[@jimmy4518]

do the review on the new v4 jk inverter bms 48v case, please

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

coming up next.

[@johncampbell2311]

Does the JK have a bouncer built into it. If not 4.5 frogs if it does five frogs. The only thing that would be better for me if it was 8 cell 12-volt. But making it bigger does not downgrade to five frogs

[@paultest3917]

Hello, there is a new jk inverter bms FW 15.23 at his website. Did you know the changes to 15.17? Rgards

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

There is already a V15.24: V15.23 Upgrade logs 1. Optimize the alarm reporting logic of parallel current limiting module. 2. Optimize the JKBMS-CAN communication protocol. 3. JKBMS RS485_Modbus Add Buad9600bps. 4. Added support for JK-BD6A20S20P JK-BD6A24S20P. 5. fix a bug about DEYE inverter. V15.24 Upgrade logs 1. Fixed a Bug about LCD display in V15.23.

[@paultest3917]

@@OffGridGarageAustralia great you are the Akku King :-)

[@garys-half-baked-offgrid-dream]

Andy, 5 frogs is a bit too generous. You had to add foam out of your personal stock to make up manufacturing slack or missing sheets. Four Point Five Haggis's maximum.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

OK, fair enough. Hence, I asked the audience.

[@bramverhagen84]

Hey Andy next to lower voltage battery, can you something completely different and have a look at HV batteries? With our grid connected systems in Europe and more and more problems with the grid, that would be very useful. Thanks.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Probably not, sorry. HV batteries are out of scope for everyone DIY. Far too dangerous and not allowed to handle. 48V systems are perfect and, in that home storage space, there is no need for HV batteries.

[@mandimandi2523]

HV is industrial. The prismatic cells are now so cheap to build your own powerful battery. If you think about the losses transforming 48 to 230V - well, then you have to buy the overpriced stuff from BYD and Co..... The ROI ratio is terrible ....

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

@@mandimandi2523 Exactly, HV is industrial and not DIY. The ROI of a 48V system is far better than for a 96V system. Just alone the availability of 48V equipment makes it worth.

[@offgridgarageUSA]

Andy I'm ordering one using your affiliate link now. Do you have a discount code?

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

I've asked them for a code but they haven't replied before the weekend. Maybe hold on with the order for now and I'll update you here once I have one. There should be one, right!?

[@mandimandi2523]

discount used to be only over us-$ 1.000......

[@offgridgarageUSA]

By the way, Andy, I'm one of your new members of the channel. I've been watching you since the beginning. Keep up the great work 👍.

[@OffGridGarageAustralia]

Discount code is just 'Andy12V'. It will take $10 off. That's all they offered but better than nothing.