Official Deck Reveal - The Ruinous Powers || Magic x Warhammer 40,000

[@MichaelAlexanderDiaz]

Not even 15 min in and i'm already loving Cameron's multiple "oh god how far back do I have to go to properly explain this?" moments that every 40K fan has when trying to explain the lore.

[@joeferreti9442]

That's just because W40k lore is so extensive and hard to understand.

[@MrKongTY]

I would love it if Cameron did one for each of the other decks once the preview season is over!

[@DimT670]

@@joeferreti9442 its not hard to understand. Its a lot. But not hard per say

[@serenitysilvermoon]

Reminds me of Fate fans, tbh

[@miscast8180]

There´s been more written about 40k than any other franchise. So to explain a character you might first have to explain their origin, or a subfaction, or an event that led to the creation of said subfaction. 40k fans have this timeline where everything (mostly) fits in. But it becomes hard to explain to the uninitiated because a story can have multiple starts and endings. You could simply say "it´s a spaceship" but that´s not really true because to understand what it really is means you need to know what happened fifteen thousand years earlier.

[@insubstantialCyclone]

"Poor little Necron warrior." "Oh don't worry, he'll be back." Lovely work as always, Cameron

[@TevorTheThird]

Shout out to Cameron to keeping his explanation of Abaddon the Despoiler to under ten minutes. Lord knows trying to give any kind of surface level explanation of anything 40K lore wise is... a challenge. Key word salad. Proper nouns on proper nouns, each with a wiki full of rabbit holes self justifying one another. Yeah, that snake ate it's own tale decades ago and never stopped. I legit burst out laughing when he starting off by explaining the the nature of reality. Because yes. I felt that one. Warhammer is so dumb. I love that about it.

[@devinkerr5474]

I don't normally dive into properties that have too much established lore because it hurts my brain (part of why I don't read the hobbits, trying to come to grips with the millennia of back-story), and I think Warhammer is the one property that is enticing, but gives me migraines just contemplating

[@TevorTheThird]

@@devinkerr5474 One thing I'll say in favor of demystifying 40K intimidation factor is that, while my and everyone else's comments here are accurate, there is also an effective reading of 40K from the far opposite angle. Meaning? I think you can still enjoy most 40K stuff from a super surface level superficial read of it. Tyranids? Hoard of hungry space bugs. Orks? Well they're Orcs... in space... with guns. Necros? What if the Undead were Terminators instead of skeletons. Space Marines? Space Marines. All 100% accurate and true statements that get the point and flavor across. All the rabbit hole stuff we joke about is there but I wouldn't ever suggest someone try to learn it all. First you don't need too. Second, there's literally too much and I think it's by design. Just pick something you like, be it a 40K videogame, one of these Commander Decks, whatever and take it at face value. It's never actually all that complicated story telling in execution. If something strikes your fancy and you want to learn more about it? Just know that there's always more to learn if you look. Game Workshop always used to call it's "lore" simply "fluff" because that's really what it is. There's a lot of it. But it's fluff. You don't need to know it so the smart money is not to try to know it all. You can always google something later after all :p The Tyranids are still just cool hungry space bugs whether you know what the Shadow of the Warp is, or about the crazy Genestealer lore, or not.

[@hannahgeraghty4201]

I greatly admire Cameron's restraint in this video because I know from personal experience that when trying to explain any random facet of Warhammer 40k lore it's incredibly hard not to just start with "So many thousands of years ago there was this group of shamans that guided humanity...."

[@andreasbuehler1821]

So, 65 million years ago...

[@Hawk_of_Battle]

​@@andreasbuehler1821 He's saving the War in Heaven for the Necron deck.

[@IRFine]

The collective cheer from Cam and Ben when graham introduced the noise marine… chef’s kiss

[@ladsworld]

Even as someone who doesn't play Warhammer, the fact that these are full commander decks fully arted and themed to one specific faction is very very cool. Deck looks sweet!

[@NogridSC]

Something they missed while evaluating Chaos Mutation at 1:30:15; you can only choose targets controlled by different players, so in a regular commander game you are only going to be able to target 4 things at most.

[@JustABrokenToy]

similar wording to Lagrella, the Magpie which boozled many a player when it was spoiled. seeing "any number of target creatures" but not quite comprehending the implications of "controlled by different players" do be like that

[@johnnamkeh1290]

Yeah they should find a different way to template this.

[@T_Peazy]

Came here to say this.

[@ZaberFangAT]

@@johnnamkeh1290 I thought they already had the template - for each player, up to one target creature controlled by that player. A bit wordier, but much less ambiguous. I can't for the life of me figure out why they worded it how they did.

[@fosterark]

Two things - one, this kind of flavor/mechanics panel for sets is SO GOOD. I would love to see these for upcoming sets when they get spoiled. Two, please tell me that there will be an ep of EDSC where we watch these 4 WARHAMMER 4OK decks go at each other.

[@Sientir]

Oooh, yes! I want this! (An Elder Dragon Social Club episode of them playing the decks, I mean.)

[@Desdae14]

I would absolutely love to see one of these episodes for each of the other decks once they've been spoiled! The breakdown from Magic and from the Warhammer lore was amazing (from someone that doesn't play Warhammer)

[@gtcarlson30]

I second this, I don’t care that they’ve been spoiled on other sites just give me Graham Cameron and Ben geeking out over all the new cards.

[@cliff5n0t3s]

This would be great content. Also once they get all the decks how about an all Warhammer EDH game with the fan boys squeeing over and over.

[@MyShadowstrike]

2 hours of 'LRR learns about/explains Warhammer 40k lore through the lens of MTG'? Yes please! Is there any chance of you guys doing a similar deep dive on the other 40k decks?

[@karkas389]

That'd be awesome

[@melissajones492]

I'm hoping we get to see these on Elder Dragon Social Club. The game will take nine and a half years because of all the flavor discussions and I'll happily grow old watching.

[@DraustTrollbaneUS]

Yes please! Sign me up.

[@klaxxon__]

please do!

[@hiFunko]

I would love this, personally, just for me as a little treat. Everyone else can watch too

[@Enos666]

1:38:30 Mutalith Vortex Beast is the chaos incarnation of the phrase "Heads I win, Tails you lose" and I love it

[@melissajones492]

I would like to formally request a series (whether on LRR's streams or on Cameron's personal) where Prof. Lauter gives lectures on the history of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. I have never had much interest in the game until watching him try to not ramble excitedly on. I would listen for hours because -he- makes it sound FASCINATING.

[@emocelot]

A good video for anyone interested in the "bare bones" of 40k is bricky's "every single Warhammer 40k faction explained"

[@ExhaustedElox]

I love how Cam has to pause each time he has to talk lore. You can see him wrestling with "How far back and how detailed do I need to be on this?"

[@BenMarcWilliams]

Cam reminding himself that the video needs to be less than twenty hours long.

[@AmaranthWitch]

The double cheer when Noise Marine came up on screen brought me glee on a very bad day, thank you so much

[@Voidhawk42]

The reaction to the Noise Marine at 1:24:30 is such pure joy, I was grinning along with you! "You ever shred so hard you make somebody blow up?" :D

[@mvb8263]

Honestly +10 points for the gentleman trying to hold back on the lore of wh40k. You did such a good job! Trying to explain 40k has been perfectly embodied by that one, okay so meme.

[@TruBoreDOM]

2 hours with Cam, Ben and Graham talking about warhammer? I'm all the way in for this

[@artvanderschlut7205]

The difference between this and the Command Zone's 40K deck reveal is so stark. I have learned so much from those guys over the years but, their review couldn't have felt less passionate in comparison. This is outstanding! Cameron is so knowledgable about 40K, Ben's analysis of the cards is right on and the way Graham talks about the art and flavor text is one of the reasons I love this channel. Excellent work.

[@TruBoreDOM]

This is exactly why I was kinda disappointed with command zone getting the full deck reveal for one of these and I'm not saying they're bad at it, they are actually really good at it for most normal magic sets but these decks feel like they should have gone to more channels like LRR and Pleasantkenobi where both channels have content corresponding to both franchises, for example with the doctor who decks I don't want to see Vince (Pleasantkenobi) preview one but the professor absolutely should get one. I want to see people being passionate about both things preview the universes beyond decks.

[@adiuntesserande6893]

I'm pretty sure the art on Let the Galaxy Burn is from the Heresy-defining battle where Horus uttered those vile words, the Siege of Isstvan III. The world was, after all, completely devastated three times over in that battle, and I do remember something about the Chaos sigil being burned into the surface of the world.

[@ironpage]

The reaction to the Noise Marine was so great.

[@screwaccountnames]

Looking forward to seeing the replay of that during the next LRL

[@robertd4061]

This was great. Honestly I’d listen to “Cam, Ben and Graham explore 40k Lore” as a podcast.

[@WyllCKP]

Years back, I suggested a Warhammer podcast from them. I still hope for it

[@spiralhaze2070]

Graham: "So, Cam. Who is Abaddon the Despoiler?" Cam: "To answer that, first we have to talk about parallel universes."

[@just_gut]

I absolutely adore Cam's incredible enthusiasm for this subject.

[@chickeninparadise7021]

Please do this again with the other decks! It was so fun to watch and learn about the lore of 40k! Edit: was the stuff at 1:26:00 supposed to be kept in?

[@rodgerlang884]

I would be so in for this treatment on the other 3 decks. Muddstah really blew through his reveal quick

[@poofypeanut0221]

This channel is amazing. Love the pace of these videos. It’s the opposite of instant gratification. It’s “let’s hang out and chat a while about these cards, the lore, and the fun”. Thanks to all who make this channel what it is 😍

[@karfsma778]

1:22:40 I was right there with Ben and Cam yelling yeeeah

[@fosterark]

Big ups to Graham for pronouncing Astartes correctly on the first bounce!

[@MaskedBeeX]

Even if you guys aren't spoiling the other decks I would still love it if you guys did this same format of video with the other precons. Cam's wealth of knowledge regarding the Warhammer-verse is very interesting, and seeing Ben pop off over different Commander cards is great.

[@navelwarfare3247]

As a fan of MTG, 40k, and all y'all wonderful people, I would very much watch an EDSC of these four decks

[@WolfNosferatu]

Ok, I love everything about this video. I'm mainly here for the Cameron Lore Nerd, but Ben being the newish 40k fan and magic aficionado was great, and Graham's "Neat"s were perfect. Also I cheered with you guys with the Noise Marine reveal.

[@Onattamato]

22:24, I love the simultaneous "ahhhhhh" from Cam and Ben.

[@camyron]

1:07:20 I'm more of a tzeentch guy, but iirc Nurgle's Tallymen are in charge of recording all of the diseases they find out in the universe, so Pappy Nurgs can delight in his past creations. The nurgling's doing a great job carrying his scrolls for him :)

[@Azurios]

I hope we get videos like this for each of the decks. Love the input and the discussion about the cards/lore.

[@jcblacksmith]

Cameron, that was amazing. Everyone did a great job. Now I want to know more about the primarchs before they were primarchs

[@ryanmullins8836]

i am so down for 2 literal hours of cameron geeking out about warhammer lore while they talk about how crazy this deck is

[@Azhalan]

Big shoutout to the art department at Wizards. These cards are just excellently drawn and capture the mood of the corresponding legion or chaos god perfectly!

[@zacharybutler5944]

one of my favorite things about 40K is all the other factions trying to rationalize psykers and the warp as a scientific phenomenon and denying that they're doing magic, meanwhile the Thousand Sons are over here going HEY WHAT'S UP WE'RE WIZARDS

[@rkk667]

Am so glad you are doing this and with Cam. Thank you for giving is so much time. Hooray!

[@azninja888]

Graham: Please explain the Noise Marine. Ben and Cameron: YEAAAAHHHHH (*and other excited noises*) Me (who knows nothing about 40k): A Marine who weaponizes what Ben and Cam said I presume.

[@johnf9710]

Love how Cameron sounds like an expert NPR interviewee talking about cosmic horrors.

[@michaelturner2806]

Just watching Ben react to all these Izzet spellslinger cards it's like he's getting Christmas, birthday, and winning a lottery all at the same time. I love it. I can't wait to see him with a deck built around that stuff on a Commander segment.

[@mattybbg6850]

You can just feel Cameron bristling with excitement.

[@davidschelkens9481]

This is how one previews a Precon deck. Bravo sirs! I have never played Warhammer, but enjoy the lore, the feel, the art... I have ore-ordered the Collector edition of this deck as a b-day gift to myself. Your video has me psyched! Again: well done sirs!

[@cagin5]

2 hours of lore and art. A moment of heaven

[@Kruudelis]

My only regret is that we won't get to see this for the other 3 decks. This ruled, and was a great watch. Well done, lads.

[@erubin100]

I think they're being spread out among all the big mtg channels.

[@Lucarioguild7]

@@erubin100 I think they're referring to the fact that none of the others have 40k peeps to explain the lore, it's all purely mtg focused

[@Kruudelis]

@@erubin100 Yes, I'm aware lol. I was just saying I miss that we didn't get this mix of fine fellows nerding out over the other decks (and I'm definitely not saying the other channels have done a bad job on their videos). s(^-^)-b

[@erubin100]

@@Kruudelis ah

[@frankieh]

I am only just starting this but I know it's going to be my jam. How fucking good the Chaos deck is flavourwise gives me some hope for the Necron deck despite the Silent King being a letdown. Magnus the Red is literally God's perfect Magic card.

[@OneMindSyndicate]

2hrs!? Let me grab some snacks

[@luemece]

The card Ben was thinking of at 1:04:00 is Exquisite Blood which is not the effect that Demon has, but the card is indeed Tainted Remedy on legs

[@iedgnngon]

With Warhammer, MtG and LRR being the things I’ve been into the longest (from largely near the start of each) this was a near religious video :P

[@EdBurke37]

Bel'akor is the First Daemon Prince, the very first mortal to every ascend to Daemonhood. He predates the Primarchs by millennia.

[@coltsfan354]

I was gonna say, he was around in the Age of Sigmar days, right? So like, 25,000 years or so beforehand?

[@settrasurfs1780]

@@coltsfan354 He was around pre-Age of Sigmar, as he was the first mortal worshipper of the Chaos Gods

[@unknowncryptid115]

@@coltsfan354 Age of Sigmar and 40k do not take place in the same universe.

[@andreasbuehler1821]

@@unknowncryptid115 Yes, but like many demon characters, Belakor originates in fantasy and has a more detailed backstory there. It's weird, but when they came up with 40, they reinterpreted all the factions, except for chaos, which got all the same characters nd even the same models. Like, they literally had three product lines, Fantasy, 40k and daemons, which you could play in either.

[@unknowncryptid115]

@@andreasbuehler1821 yeah I know that, maybe I'm reading it wrong but the comment I was responding to made it sound like Age of Sigmar is a prequal to 40k.

[@djjmandos]

Thanks for both getting me hyped about the new 40k decks and also getting me interested in 40k Lore for the first time.

[@dloveless1]

The reaction to the noise marine was perfect!

[@coltsfan354]

On "The Ruinous Powers," from left to right, it's Ku'gath Plaguefather (representing Nurgle,) Skarbrand the Exiled (Khorne,) N'Kari (Slaanesh,) and Kairos Fateweaver (Tzeentch.) They're all greater demons for their representative factions, and notably, the four release faction leaders in Total War: Warhammer 3.

[@andreasbuehler1821]

Pretty intact wings on Skarbrand, though.

[@faceoctopus4571]

Keeper of secrets doesn't look N'kari to me either. Horns and ornaments look wrong.

[@brechtian802]

Honestly I know you guys did this because these are your preview cards, but seeing this explanation of the lore combined with how Magic captured it was pretty enthralling. I would love if you guys did this with the other 3 commander decks once they're fully previewed.

[@rodgerlang884]

I agree, although I would ask at that point that they do a brush up on the newer stuff. Overall this was so much fun.

[@Frogomb]

Um, actually, I don't care about the parts where you got the lore slightly wrong, because I didn't come here for perfect lore memorization, I came here to be entertained by funny charismatic people, and that's exactly what happened.

[@samwise6698]

only just started watching the video, but i just love warhammer and commander, and hearing Cameron talking about the lore just gets me excited

[@natetwehues2428]

Two hours of 40K and Commander? But LRR, my birthday is next week!

[@artemi7]

Man I have been waiting for Cam to go OFF on 40k lore for years now, since CH! I can't wait to see a episode of Elder Dragon Social Club with these decks!

[@Gophersaurus]

This was a super fun video! I have some knowledge of 40K from playing a little years ago and reading some of the comics and novels, but have never gotten super into Chaos so there was a bunch of new lore that I enjoyed hearing about. Also yeah, the UR spellslinger cards are really cool, and the pop off over the Noise Marine was great ^^

[@chaostreader8538]

There appears to be an editing mistake at the gold cards where the voices stop matching the video. It starts with Graham saying something to Paul. Otherwise a great video. Loved hearing Cam talk about the lore.

[@snowcookiemedia]

It might be because you were still watching when they used KZbin's backend editor to remove that bit of the video since it was a behind the scenes bit that wasn't supposed to be there. If you refreshed and watched again, Graham talking to Paul is gone and the audio is in synch.

[@PopoTCG]

Remember guys, Cascading into a card and casting it is a "may". No accidental blowups.

[@camyron]

1:39:03 I think the scale of the Mutalith Vortex Beast is overstated in the art - it's ~8" long and the beast is ~6" tall, with the vortex star being another ~3" on top. I'm excited for it to have an ETB ability, so it can actually do something: all of my friends are scared of what it can do and kill it before it gets to do weird vortex things whenever I play mine in 40k or in AoS.

[@anartificer]

I think the best part of this deck is that we're finally getting some proper Ultramarine representation.

[@ThirdChronicles]

Do I dare to dream for Cameron do one of these for every deck? I would LOVE to hear the lore from the others as well (but I only care about the lore that’s going to be on cards).

[@Raamat7]

Luna Wolves are named after the moon, but mainly because it was their first major engagement, They weren’t from there (Specifically the clone cults of Luna called on the Emperor to call off his wolves). They got renamed the Black Legion some time after the Heresy failed (think it was around a thousand years after) and it was less about mourning and more about casting off the shame. The other legions were not very happy with the surviving Sons of Horus for leading them into a failed coup.

[@EdBurke37]

Drach'Nyen was a Daemon born of humanity's first murder. Over the millennia he was imprisoned in the sword that was presented to Abaddon and it provides him counsel.

[@jessepatrone8325]

At 36:20 they talk about chaos warp combo with brainstorm, since the shuffle affect and reveal of the top card aren’t separate actions there isn’t a time when you could cast brainstorm to manipulate the top of the library, I believe it was designed this way on purpose for the chaos factor

[@gregmoore1690]

absolute banger of a vid. my favorite way to consume 40K is to hear people who love it tell me about the lore. and all these cards look so good!

[@emocelot]

Just a small rules correction for anyone wondering. Chaos warp certainly doesn't combo with brainstorm, as you have to shuffle before revealing.

[@MaximePoirier]

Love that "Yeah Yeah Yeah" at 1:11:39

[@TheUnspokenKibbles]

I remember saying before that I really enjoyed Cameron talking about Warhammer, and I have been positively spoiled for it recently :D

[@kanebravo953]

Heads up, its the red Decree that blows up artifacts, enchantments, and lands. The white one just makes angel tokens.

[@skydog4034]

Absolutely loved this. This seriously sold me on a Commander deck I didn't even know existed. Would love to see yall doing this for future Commander decks. Looking at things from both a metagame and a lore perspective is wonderful. As well as taking a little bit to go over each card meant I actually got to care about the cards more.

[@TheRealWormbo]

On the Saga question around 1:43:00 - The saga is only put into the graveyard when it doesn't have any chapter abilities on the stack, i.e. opponents get back any remaining creatures only after the destroying takes place. If the "borrowed" creatures have any death-related triggers, those still fire under your control.

[@hankmoody5241]

Amazing video! The way you guys explain each card, the lore, and how they work within this deck is awesome. Hands down my favorite video from this channel. Keep up the great work!

[@TheShadowarcher5000]

Love hearing Cam talk about 40k!

[@AlexanderForsman]

1:17:30 Lorgar and Angron has a great bromance. As the book reads: "Let it never be said the Lorgar Aurelian wasn't a loyal brother"

[@RedZoneRogue]

2hrs long! Brb making more coffee for this 😅 ☕️

[@patcheckert295]

Honestly would love a Graham and Cam talk about all their favorite lore as a podcast!

[@clonearmy101]

Great video! I hope we don’t have the desync halfway through next time…really like seeing the reactions alongside the reveals

[@Stevetr0n]

The Ork Ben was referring to is Tuska the Daemon-Killa. Not only did they seek out demons in the warp to fight, they fought all the way to Khorne's Brass Citadel before being killed. Khorne was so amused by this that he resurrects them for eternity to continue fighting. The Orks are very happy with this.

[@jacobweisman5557]

Hey Guys, noticed this really quickly. Plague drone isn't exquisite blood on a body. It's more like another copy of Tainted Remedy. But, this video is really awesome, and I'm really enjoying watching the team talk about the deck!!

[@00naruhina]

Just saw your stuff with Yatzhee and somehow you guys have eluded me all this time, so happy to see you getting this deck!

[@AceMathias]

great work guys. as both an MTG and 40k fan I loved that you covered both aspects in detail. props to Cameron for his Chaos lore knowledge, was great to hear

[@guillaumelamothe5424]

Please do this for each deck. The longer videos full of lore are incredible.

[@doctormixup5388]

Awesome walk-through! The lore and flavor exposition is great, as is the enthusiasm! Hope to see the other 40k decks get the same treatment.

[@chaosof99]

I really wish you could do an episode like this for each deck. This was very entertaining.

[@kyubimage9526]

You can't spell Great Unclean One without Uncle!

[@sandmanlives3]

These all look sweet. Can’t wait for an Elder Dragon Social Club with these!

[@seanclark4071]

Cam and Ben were so happy when graham showed them noise marine

[@WestleyTaninger]

Y'all's excitement is making me not only more excited for these decks but ALSO for the probably inevitable EDSC episode featuring them.

[@Pengu92]

This felt like a great way for the casual Magic crowd to get some Warhammer lore without needing to wade too deep into the universe, complete with Cam's realizations that he has to explain a little more than expected. I kinda wish that all decks had this sort of reveal, but gotta spread it around (Muddstah's video was also quite awesome).

[@johnbarber7199]

I am so impressed with how well kept Cam's copies of Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned are, the bindings on those just loved to fall apart.

[@adamc.3607]

Any chance will you guys do the other decks? I really loved this video. As someone who has only been into magic but always wanted to learn about Warhammer 40K, I loved you three talking about these cards from a magic and Warhammer perspective!!

[@dumatrising2421]

Grant: I'm gonna need some help with the art in this next one Me immediately after the card is revealed: *salutes* the planet fell before the guard did

[@JustABrokenToy]

I appreciate Cam's concise explanation of Warhammer lore. also I'm in the same boat as Cam and Ben on this, all the Izzet spellslinger cards call to me! hopefully LRR and other content creators can help us Warhammer noobs understand some of that universe in this and following weeks.

[@mead813]

This was a good way to talk about these cards. Looking forward to the next episode.

[@AlexanderForsman]

Though this is the one you present, i hope you do a similar video for each of the other decks^^

[@devinsarter9713]

I just had too add. Plague Drone is a tainted remedy on legs. Exquisite blood heals you when they loos life and the other piece if the combo makes them loose life when you heal. A super sweet card. I love tainted remedy and it never makes the final cut in my deck builds. Giving it a body makes it much more viable.

[@Timmorn0]

Honestly, I'd love an episode like this for each of these decks, this was so fun and interesting!