*The Last Of Us* Is Already Giving MAJOR Twists (Ep 2) | REACTION

[@shub8003]

24:56 the thing about the bombings that probably played a role in the professor’s decision was that, since there was no known cure/medicine/vaccine, if they did nothing and left the infection to spread unchecked, most of the people in Jakarta would have been either dead or infected(arguably a worse fate) within the week anyways. She was a smart woman who had been studying fungi like this her entire career; she likely knew intimately how Cordyceps affected other organisms---like ants---and knew how devastating Cordyceps in humans could be, not only to humanity as a whole, but also to the individual. She was a scientist, but she was also a grandmother. She would never wish something that horrible on the people she cared for, which extends not just to her own family, but to all the people in the city. Not once did she separate herself from/put herself above her city/people or her decision and say, “bomb THEM,” it was always, “bomb US.” She knew the gravity of what she was suggesting, but the gravity of the situation at hand balanced it out. In either scenario, bomb or no bomb, Jakarta falls. She had a family. She didn’t want them to die, and she didn’t want to die, but she also didn’t want them to suffer if Jakarta got overrun by the infection. For them---the professor and the soldier---it was very much a Bad vs. Worse scenario. The actress(Christine Hakim) did an incredible job portraying that horrifying decision. The shift from wise, grave, scientist to terrified grandmother was beautiful and utterly heartbreaking. Her and her scene partner(Yayu A.W. Unru) both deserve all the recognition and more for their performances in that opening sequence.

[@nickvanderlinden7165]

The "kiss" was not a kiss. We humans associatie something going in our mouth like that with kissing. The fungus just wants to get to the brain as fast as posible. That's just how they infect now. Nanna in the first episode also was transmitting it threw the mouth. It's truly horrifying

[@kristoffer2250]

They should've just nuked everything

[@makwabear4078]

Exactly. Humans love anthropomorphising things.

[@quiestumeme1228]

@@makwabear4078 humans love to use big words as well it seems

[@makwabear4078]

@@quiestumeme1228 so there’s this thing called "Google", humans should love using that.

[@Trepanation21]

@@quiestumeme1228 Using apt words is good practice. If you're asserting any other conclusions about it, you may be projecting.

[@matthewhearn9910]

It took me a few months for the algorithm to redirect me to you - I'm so glad you're in a place to upload content again. You have been one of my favorite reactors since I first started getting into KZbin reaction content and it makes me happy to see your face! Please feel free to take breaks whenever and for however long you feel is necessary for your mental health, that always comes first, but in the meantime I'm gonna reprise my old clarion call for you to give Twin Peaks a shot at some point in the future.

[@sheepsky]

I think the "kiss" was the infected spreading the Cordyceps to Tess. You see in episode 1 the grandma putting those mouth tendril things into the wound of a person she'd killed/taken down.

[@JustJDx]

Love your pre- and post discussion! I took the kiss as the Infected "recognizing" a soon-to-be Infected in Tess. Her being paralyzed in fear and because of the infection itself (controlling her motor functions). While the fungi tendrils literally tried to connect with her, in a hive mind kinda way, through touch. I found the idea ironic since Tess was the one who described a similar process to Ellie [the audience] earlier in the episode, talking about the fungi spreading like roots underground linking the Infected. So far what I'm really enjoying is the addition or changes the creators made to the original story, especially the flashbacks from 1968 and Jakarta. The characters have some interesting nuances to them as well, both familiar and new.

[@sneekz07]

Less of a kiss and more the tenrdils probing Tess. It definitely recognised Tess as one of them due to the infection. My guess is it speeds up the infection.

[@RandalReid]

16:28 If your PC randomly restarts it could be as harmless as the reset or power pins are loose. That happened to me and I thought it was something major and I just re-inserted it and that fixed the issue. Or it could be something else like a faulty RAM or sometimes you just need to re-seat those. It could also be your GPU/CPU overheating. Check your temps. Anyway, point is, it could be several things. Have it checked ASAP.

[@SidPhoenix2211]

Theresa "Tess" Servopolous. Gone but never forgotten. And yeah, I interpreted that last scene as Tess slowly being taken over by the infection. She IS kinda stuck in place. But her continued efforts to keep clicking that lighter is the last of her real self fighting this thing. As the Stalker (there are a couple types. Runners are the regular running ones. Stalkers have a significant fungal growth on their heads. They kinda like to hunt their prey. There are clickers who are fully blind and see using sound) approached Tess, he kind of recognized her as one of them (the fungus macroorganism). He goes to her and starts further infecting her, inviting her into this hivemind. The fungus has a mind of its own, but it is not exactly a a conscious, cognizant human-like brain. It is just a primal being: it wants to survive, and it wants to spread and grow. That is all. But Tess continues to fight. But the clicking becomes slower and irregular. Her self is almost taken over but she manages to try one last time and manages to light it. That lighter was her self's defiance in the face of being taken over by this being.

[@Ladco77]

Those are fungus tendrils coming out of their mouth. That scene was put in to show that the infected want to spread the infection, but not necessarily violently. They usually bite but that's because people resist. Since Tess just stood there, it didn't need to violently attack and it just let the fungus cross from it's mouth to hers to spread the infection. Tess was already infected and close to turning based on being bitten on the neck, so it was likely taking all her concentration just to stand there and try to light the lighter.

[@GC-vi7hh]

You're thinking of the trolley problem: with an out of control trolley, is it better to let it hit 5 people on the tracks or to shove one person to stop it before it gets to others.

[@M00SHTY]

16:30 normally means its overheating. not always but if it restarts after being on for a while. might want to try compressed air out some dust or by a new fan

[@SidPhoenix2211]

the "infected maggots" are just called "tendrils

[@bobbynorth681]

I think the "kiss" at the very end was simply the fungus making its way in by the easiest route possible. Pretty sure that's what those mouth tendrils are.

[@Berg126]

As Niel druckman Said in an interview: "We were doing early research on how fungus appears in reality. I found this image that an artist had created of somebody that had become subsumed by fungus and in their mouth, there were mushrooms," Mazin recalled to Variety(opens in new tab). "We were already talking about tendrils coming out and we were asking these philosophical questions, 'Why are infected people violent? If the point is to spread the fungus, why do they need to be violent?' We landed on that they don't. They're violent because we resist, but what if you don't? What does it look like if you just stand perfectly still and let them do this to you? The mouth is the easiest way to soft tissue, she let it do its thing, she needed to be in control long enough to get that lighter to work, if she resisted, it would go in kill mode to force the transfer

[@mojoshivers]

I think the theory is that a part of the host is conscious enough at first to realize that he or she is doing all these horrible things, but has no control over their body to stop it. And then slowly, as the cordyceps takes over more of the host’s body, the host’s consciousness just ebbs away. Like the Clickers, shown in this episode, and other stages of the infected are so far gone there’s nothing of the host left. But that first stage, the common Runner type infected still have their hosts trapped in their bodies somewhere. That’s what’s scary about these creatures; they’re not reanimated corpses, they’re literally people who have been taken over by fungi.

[@michaelkb8783]

on the official podcast they talk about how the fungus feels a sort of love for each other. Tess was no longer controlling her body entirely. the fungus wanted to find one another.

[@locatemarbles]

The purpose of bombings is not to eradicate the problem (that's the ideal outcome), but to slow down the spread of the infection. It is done to give the survivors enough time to organize and prepare a defensive position. Without the necessary bombings in 2003 there would have been no safe zones left in 2023.

[@karenchae1]

I think the kiss was like what grandma was doing in the initial episode. If the human resists the infected get violent. If not, it would go down as it did with Tess.

[@mrmr4622]

Also an interesting thing about the bombing - destroying Jakarta wouldnt make any difference, it was already too late even for such drastic measures since the fungus spread with flour, and Indonesia is one of the leading countries in flour production. Thats why it only took a couple days for it to get to the US

[@rutgerdejong1660]

The 'kiss' at the end was because the fungus inside that man already recognized Tess as also infected, as 'part of their own' and moved this man's body to her to be able to spread itself even more in her. And the easiest way for fungus to spread in and infiltrate the human body is through the body's openings, like the mouth.

[@corporealghoul]

I think the reason the infected walked slowly toward her was because it could sense she was infected. It was only aiding the processes.

[@rx7dude2006]

Thank you for calling them infected instead of zombies.

[@andre1999o]

We just got season 2 confirmed, baby!!!!! As for "that" kiss, Craig Mazin spoke on an interview that one of the underlying themes of the show is the potential dangers of loving someone uncondicionally. In the first episode, Joel's love for Sarah caused him to become jaded and cynical after she died, leading to the scene where he releases all his pent-up anger on that soldier. In the second episode, we see a visual depiction of this theme: Tess kissing an Infected, a gesture usually associated with love, in this case leads to death and destruction.

[@mrmr4622]

Infected dont retain anything human, the guy at the end was just spreading the fungus to Tess, they didnt know each other

[@inventsable]

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[@joits]

Great reaction! I was right with you as far as Tess when I first played the game. I definitely recommend listening to the official podcast of the show after you watch the episode. Great insights and explanations from Mazin and Druckmann. You can probably refer to the things coming out of the infected mouths as cordyceps or probably just fungus. I was going to try and give my thoughts on "the kiss" but its something I think is best described by listening to Mazin and Druckmann on the podcast. It's definitely more disturbing than how it was done on the game and that was by design. I have seen that it's becoming a bit controversial in that some people have been too disturbed by it that it affected their overall opinion on the episode.

[@lowbird7947]

tendrils

[@KerrRobinson]

It was not really a kiss. It knew she was infected, plus she was not running. So the infected almost acted like it was welcoming her in a way. And this “kiss” was just him transmitting the spores or whatever you call them to her.

[@dereknolin5986]

"I dont know if it has a specific name, but like doing something bad to one person to prevent something bad from happening to five people." One name for that is Utilitarianism.

[@seecha8970]

So something that is overlooked is that the fungus spread via table flour. That's why it spread so easily because everyone in the world eats some form of flour. There's bread crumbs of the clue all over the first episode, that I myself, didn't pickup on the first time around. The outbreak started at a flour mill. On the first day, Joel ran out of pancake mix, so his family never ate flour. The Adlers were feeding Nanna biscuits (flour). When Sarah went over, Mrs. Adler was making cookies, (flour). Joel got home and forgot to bring the cake, (flour), and they escaped infection again. That's why bombing Jakarta never worked.

[@dereknolin5986]

There's an actual historical theory that the Salem Witch Trials were caused by an outbreak of the ergot fungus in the rye flour supply. There's evidence that the weather that year was the perfect temperature and humidity level for ergot to grow, and some of the behaviors described as demonic possession also fit someone having a bad trip on the LSD-like substances found in ergot fungus.

[@jramz5176]

Seeing Bill and Frank is gonna be really interesting next week. Just based off the trailer we will get a lot more backstory to them. Great Reaction

[@d.t.nelson8805]

From this episode it is suggested there were a lot of first infected (patient zeros) because the fungus was in four and grains (pancakes, biscuits, raisin cookies anyone?). The only way it could spread so quickly everywhere in the world would be by large numbers of people consuming tainted flour, they all turn, then infect others. There are types of infected that are based on how long they've been infected and how much of the fungus is growing out of them. I won't say more than that because it will probably play a role in future episodes and explained in more detail then. The "kiss" at the end wasn't a kiss. The tendrals coming from the mouths of the infected are some sort of sporangia or asci that release spores. It is just the way they they infect others, and the mouth is one of the closest sources to the brain.

[@adamz7884]

Thanks so much for getting this reaction back up! Those copyright bots are the worst, right?

[@Cthulwho69]

As for the bombing, I'm pretty sure she as a specialist knew 100% what was going to happen. She was certain.. bomb was the only plausible way to stop it.

[@Susanoo7108]

I think what happened at the end wasn't a kiss but more that Infected maybe trying to get the fungus inside Tess to sprout faster or connect with the hive mind. It was an oddly beautiful/beautifully odd moment

[@williamletson6537]

The things in the infecteds mouth is the mycelium of the fungus. Also if you remember in the first season the talk show even states that the fungus needs to keep the body alive so that it can live so they are technically not “zombies”. This is why they keep point out questions like the scene where Ellie asks how long do they stay alive or when they enter the museum he crushes the “vine” of the growth and he says “maybe they are all dead in there”. For lack of a better term they are “zombie” like. Just something I noticed.

[@BrittnyShrub]

The expert didn't know that the flour was contaminated by contaminated yeast. I wonder what her advice would have been if she'd known. Probably the same. But all the major cities that imported the flour?!

[@elboludo]

Quick info: There are no "zombies" in this show. All the infected are still alive, so you don't have to worry about a dead thing jumping out of the water. =)

[@karenchae1]

Did you recognize Lady Mormont and Oberan Martell?

[@VivianDarkbloom1]

I call them bean sprouts.

[@WarKrieg]

How do we have an entire comment section with almost every single comment repeating the same information. Do people not read comments before they add theirs?

[@Twiceborn_by_grace]

The Infected or whatever sound like the girl from The Grudge.

[@SidPhoenix2211]

Saw a lot of people seeing the way the final scene was shot and being upset that the show was making Tess' death "romantic and beautiful". And like.... no. that was NOT the intention. The director of the episode (writer and creative director of the game) VERY much acknowledges that it is a HORRIBLE thing that is happening. But he chose to shoot and light it like a sort of romantic kiss. By shooting it this way, he wanted to FURTHER brings out the awfulness of the moment. it's classic juxtaposition. Like setting a violent, terrifying scene to happy music (See: the violent Reservoir Dogs scene set to "Stuck in the Middle"). Plus, this is a TV show with horror + body horror elements that is adapting a game that had horror + body horror elements. So ofc, there will be some gross, icky, and discomforting stuff. When Joel turns that runner's head and there is that awful, wet squelching sound... that was awful! but ofc it is! lol They also mention how they've already shot the tendrils in a traditional horror way (in the first ep, nana. the runner that chases joel & sarah), so they were trying to find a different way to shoot it, while maintaining the awfulness of it. And all the while, the fungus remains neutral. it is simply spreading and growing. It is a hivemind, but not a complex one. It has a mind, but not cognition (esp. in the way that people do)

[@corporealghoul]

Smart person reacts to great show? Sign me the hell up. Yes please.

[@TomTomson81]

There are no zombies in this show. Zombies are dead and coming back. These are LIVING infected people that the fungus controls and keeps alive. If the host dies, the fungus continues to live for a while until it either finds a new LIVING victim or dries up and dies. Infected people in the first stage, called runners, are also fully aware of their actions. They just can't control their body. In the game, they even cry. Stage 2: runners become stalkers over time. The fungus is already broken through the skull. Tess was "kissed" by one at the end. Stalkers hide and lie in wait for their victims. Stage 3: from stalker to clicker (museum). The fungus has grown so far that the head is completely covered except for the mouth. They are blind, but are difficult to kill because the fungus is also a kind of shield. There are two more stages and a special form that you have not yet seen. Everything happens over time the longer the host lives.

[@lewistheobald6702]

I really enjoyed your reaction and especially your comments about the ethics of bombing cities to prevent the entire world being taken over, and how impossible such decisions must be. Allow me to recommend that you watch The 100. This is another post-apocalyptic show. One of its main characters is a woman who is regularly forced to make decisions like that, as resources lessen and threats grow. The show poses a series of horrific moral dilemmas for her and shows the effect on her of making those decisions. I would love to see your reactions to The 100.

[@MolnarG007]

I love the hidden details... it started in Jakarta, and found in a victim from a grain factory. So the grain/flour was infected and shipped worldwide. Now remember the scenes from the first episode: neighbour granny getting a cookie put into her mouth... Joel forgot to buy the cake... Sarah rejecting the cookie because it was wrong flavour... By the way probably it wasn't a kiss from alien point of view, it was an easy entry point to enter, to infect. TBH it was the most disgusting thing i have ever seen... yuck. I'm conflicted about bombing. Yes if you kill half a million/million in a city center it's less infected, but also faster spread because you can't lock door, hide, since structures are damaged. And minimum 10% will survive. But less comes out. Same goes for fire/napalm. There are many ways to kill humans with no structural damage: machine guns, chemical weapons/military gas, etc. Also if it is worldwide soon you cannot destroy the nests but make safe zones with high strong walls. it's fascinating the differences, ways of these infected. 1. normally they only spread fungus by wounds/blood. (and Mouth. yuck.) 2. the clickers are heavier mutated, blind and "see by making clicking sounds and hear the echo (Echo localisation is possible, there are even a few blind human that can do it, literally know there is an obsticle and can avoid it making clicking sound) 3. No airal spores (nests/more rare variants might do it): I wonder why Joel's face isn't covered in mask all the time (Pascal in the Mandalorian... :)) I love this change, we see more of the wonderful acting, which is spot on by the way. 4. Fungus wired telegram: well their alarm system is frightening... You killing one may alert the whole zone.... 5. intelligence: they do attack instantly, but not mindless: they seem to have basic brain so won't run into a stake, fall into holes like lemmings, etc. More like a rabid animal, too mad to use complex tactics but not only motoric functions. I wonder what the story will be, except a few milestones from now on they can do whatever they want. Which is exciting. Also hope they will show more flashbacks, so far they were super intresting.

[@rdrflash1992]

Keep it up. Well, episode 2 is good enough. And i'm from Jakarta, Indonesia. I'll recommend you to react "The Raid Redemption" and "The Raid 2" movies. Best Indonesian action movies. Good luck for your KZbin channel 😎👍

[@dagschjlberg3244]

there are no zombies in this series. it's only infected!!!!!

[@GarthVonMaraner]

Not spoiling anything but TLOU has lots of twists, including a major one that floored and bothered me (in a good way) for days after finishing the game. I'm sure the show will repeat that after the season is over. Edit: you're computer must be having thermal shutdowns because it could have lots of dust on the fans inside and heat sinks. It probably needs cleaning.

[@ISpiers]

Still not zombies.

[@brandonflorida1092]

You're fun to watch. You don't have to be so analytically perfect, though. We watch you because you're nice, not for a perfect technical analysis. You remind me of a very nice weirdo friend I once had.

[@thedisciple516]

Any chance of continuing Breaking Bad?

[@jog.antani]

Watch la confidential. Best neo noir mystery thriller. Won oscar best adaptation

[@rickythompson8718]

Didn't you use to have a different youtube watchalong channel? Where's that gone? It was good (and I'm sure this one is good, too).

[@jcolson1138]

She took it down. Choice she made while going through some mental health issues. Important thing is, she's back.

[@rickythompson8718]

@@jcolson1138 Glad she's back, and glad she's feeling more able to deal with the difficult challenges of life.

[@chadjenkins4876]

Yea the kiss is just the infection trying to spread

[@charlesbarnes6912]

Great reaction beautiful

[@Carlos-Dangerous]

Tess ded

[@MrSupertallblackman]

Tess' death is slightly different and less dramatic in the game but more or less the structure of the show is following the game pretty close. The kissing thing is weird and not in the game in fact the whole weird living tentacle thing is a show thing. You're thinking of the trolley problem which is a series of thought experiments in ethics and psychology, involving stylized ethical dilemmas of whether to sacrifice one person to save a larger number. The scenario is a runaway trolley is on course to collide with and kill a number of people (traditionally five) down the track, but a driver or bystander can intervene and divert the vehicle to kill just one person on a different track. Then other variations of the runaway vehicle, and analogous life-and-death dilemmas are posed, each containing the option to either do nothing, in which case several people will be killed, or intervene and sacrifice one initially "safe" person to save the others.

[@God-ec8ni]

bombing the city seems aggressive but it was needed even the punishment of the people that goes out of the wall is understandable those irresponsible people is risking the whole city theyre not in any position to be nice to people that threatens humanities existense

[@neilgriffiths6427]

So - you're the type of reactor who yaps over all the explanations while asking for an explanation. Wow.

[@vytallicaq.6881]

You seem to enjoy really strange, bizarre stuff. Hopefully, you'll get the chance to watch "A Clockwork Orange". That one is hard to figure out in one viewing, but it is a masterpiece of bizarre movie making. Stanley Kubrick the director was a brilliant film artist.

[@hermunkulus]

Considering how much more strict KZbin is with their restrictions now, I'm not sure if she'll make it past copyright with that one. That movie is brutal. Good suggestion though! It's one of my favorites.

[@vytallicaq.6881]

@@hermunkulus I've seen some reaction videos to it. The trick seems to be to show just quick snippets of the actual movie scenes while she's reacting. Also some will use blurring or translucent effects to make the scenes recognizable, but not quite as detectable to the censoring algorithm. I saw some movie critic say this movie was about how good it feels to be bad. But I think Kubrick was trying to convey a much deeper meaning than that. One that differs from the book. I also heard an interview with Keir Dullea from his movie "2001". He said Kubrick never liked to explain his movies. He liked the idea that his movies would be interpreted many different ways. He thought his art had more depth, when it evoked many varied reactions from each viewer's unique perspective. So ultimately, each interpretation is legitimate. I'm curious to hear hers.

[@GustavoRey-oo6zi]

You don't have to recap EVERYTHING in your intro. It takes way TOO LONG. Your viewers want to see the the ACTUAL SHOW. WAY TOO LONG.