Spider-Man: No Way Home | "If We Send Them Back They'll Die" | Peter Stops Doctor Strange

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With Spider-Man's identity now revealed, Peter asks Doctor Strange for help. When a spell goes wrong, dangerous foes from other worlds start to appear, forcing Peter to discover what it truly means to be Spider-Man.
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[@Killer-hy9ly]

Strange: "in the grand calculus of the multiverse, their sacrifice means infinitely more than their lives" Miguel O'hara: "i agree"

[@monkeyddragon505]

Keeping it canon keeping it real since 2099

[@chrisc4208]

This is the exact reasoning that got him turned into a zombie (if you know, you know)

[@train4292]

“Miguel liked that”

[@mrfacestab5758]

Miguel O'Hara: Being Spider-Man is a sacrifice. That’s what you signed up for.

[@killerdiva7771]

@@mrfacestab5758the sacrifice is of yourself, not others. Being spider man doesnt give you the right to sacrifice others

[@martinlopez2816]

All except Sandman are worried about their lives, because Sandman never dies, as a matter of fact, dude just wants to go home and see his daughter again.

[@blacknite8060]

Didn't the lizard survive too?

[@lightangel8652]

@@blacknite8060 yes the lizard survives too after he got cured and amazing Spider-Man

[@MrKingJson]

Actually he's dying right now. The process that turned him into sandman was destabilizing and sooner he would just become sand. It's like cancer for him. So when they cured him, they also saved his life. That's also why he's only in sand form and can't seem to maintain his shape. It was a great way to use the character without using the actor. There's a comics that shows this same situation of his body slowly disintegrating and SM takes him to a beach to chill in his final hours.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@MrKingJson wait what

[@MrKingJson]

@@tobsonasanya4765 hm? Sandman is dying? The real world reason was filming with the actor was difficult and could only do a voice role, in universe Sandman was falling apart. If you notice before NWH he never had difficulty maintaining a solid form, now in NWH every move he makes is spilling sand or disrupting the shape, it's because the process that made him Sandman is falling apart and he is reverting back to plain old sand, in short he is dying.

[@alfredoakalilsavage1661]

Dr. Strange: It’s their fate. Miguel O’ Hara: It’s canon.

[@lfd10noob]

Spider-Man: It's my duty to save them.

[@Sarfnic]

I feel like this movie changed Strange too, because later on in Multiverse of Madness Wanda calls him out on "willing to risk lives to protect a girl he met yesterday". Whether Strange remembers who Peter is or not, he learned from him here.

[@Jogyot3260]

He no longer know Peter but everything he learn from him is still there

[@mds_main]

Exactly, he was different from the other Dr Strange America met because of this experience. The Defender Dr Strange variant at the start of the MoM movie even says verbatim the "calculus" speech we see here.

[@IndriidaeNT]

While Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin and Electro are the ones who are horrified and worried as they are all doomed to die in their universes in the climaxes of Spider-Man (2002), Spider-Man 2 (2004) and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) despite now having a heads up about their fates, Lizard and Sandman are not because they are not doomed to die in their universes in the climaxes of The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) and Spider-Man 3 (2007) and are more than willinging to reunite with their wives and children in those universes.

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

​​​​​@@IndriidaeNTPeter does quite possibly save the lives of Harry Osborne and Captain Stacy by during Sandman and Lizard respectively, though. The only thing Tobey MAY have had to deal with is Venom vs him and Harry, but the fight would probably be a lot more one sided in the heroes' favor with Flint not supporting Venom (We probably wouldn't actually get to see Harry again in another film because of the actor getting into so much shit and not being allowed to work in the industry anymore but it's nice to think about for Tobey!Peter's story, maybe we could get an animation)

[@karlraphaeeeel]

Defender strange said the same thing about the grand calculus of the multiverse

[@rajatsinghbhandari9549]

YES I just realised that Strange actually had character development in MoM

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

Yes exactly

[@veemonfan8102]

It didn't have the same impact as it did in this movie. It was a throwaway line at the beginning of a movie about the multiverse.

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

@@veemonfan8102 I mean it’s basically saying that’s it’s more or less the same strange and he’ll do what’s necessary to win.. for me it was still pretty interesting and a nice Easter egg for those who have seen both

[@veemonfan8102]

@@SupportTheLittleGuy I think the main reason it bugs me in Dr Strange 2 is because fans have no history with Defender Srange, whereas in No Way Home we know all the characters and their histories. It just seemed darker when MCU Strange said it.

[@oleksandrfradkin6199]

Watching this after Across the Spider-Verse hits really hard, especially what Strange says: "In the grand calculus of the Multiverse, their sacrifice mean infinitely more than their lives." I'm not going to spoil anything here, but if you know, you know what I'm talking about.

[@darthdracul8372]

I know

[@someperson4865]

Strangely enough, both of the scenes seem similar of how miguel/strange try to stop peter/miles from preventing deaths of that universe that are supposed to happen. I just realized that tbh.

[@isomericgamer6644]

No wonder Miguel despises MCU peter lmao

[@Heraldo_Del_Mar]

0:11 "And then what? We perish?!" Octavius looked genuinely scared there.

[@2Scribble]

0:18 - I love how it's norman's cry for help that convinces him to stop Strange...

[@NtoTheM]

"If they die, they die." He wasn't sweating as much as ol' Ivan, but I still rate his performance a solid 8/10.

[@spiderverse7361]

If green goblins never went to Aunt May, then Peter would listen to what strange has to say

[@ayanlevolg1606]

Yeah, mostly because strange was trying to save may life by these monsters and mostly Peter should have listened to strange, and the green goblin will never had his chance to kill aunt may and mostly May would’ve got over it overtime

[@jiashuanchiah]

Yeah, god have to close the door for reasons.

[@galinabrack6057]

Not really. The moment he found out they die, he would have still made the same decision, no matter what May said. The only reason he wanted to send them back is because he actually thought that they would be save in their universes.

[@cinemattic_multiverse]

@@galinabrack6057 wow someone actually understood that part of the film. Props 🔥

[@spongebobsquarepants2981]

​@@cinemattic_multiverse wasn't that hard to understand

[@scottloessel6493]

This scene hits so much harder then "Spiderverse" cause Miles is only really interested in saving his own Dad but here Peter is fighting for people he doesn't even know.

[@burningxnecro]

"This is why I never had kids." Plus the fact that you can't seem to hold down a relationship.

[@grassbackyard3825]

0:32 WHOA! After Multiverse of Madness peters dismay on how strange treats a life! Especially how Peter feels about Tony’s “sacrifice”! Insane! And Peters “have a heart.” His facial expression and TONE! That’s freaking Spider-Man!!!

[@ccelite3782]

The only difference is that Tony was okay with dying, while the villains and America Chavez didn't wanna die.

[@LisaAnn777]

Yeah but it's probably true, in an infinite multiverse, why do their lives even matter? In an eternity, nothing matters.

[@meisterigi007]

​@@LisaAnn777 I'm getting Omniman "Think Mark" vibes from your comment.

[@LisaAnn777]

@@meisterigi007 I'm not familiar with Omniman?

[@Fei-Chan]

@@LisaAnn777 they are still a living being dude. They might not matter in a grand scale of things, but letting someone else die when they still have a chance not to is something Peter cannot ignore as a hero. Even Dr. Strange felt bad too not just as a hero but as a former doctor

[@davidaustin2109]

Dr. Strange : If they die, they die. Ivan Drago : I must break you !!!

[@AyushRaj-uu1dw]

who is that?

[@TheProtagonist2020]

@@AyushRaj-uu1dw From Rocky III

[@nyanimepizzamaster9788]

Man the look on their faces when they realized they were going to die.

[@ayanlevolg1606]

Yea Peter should have listened to strange, mostly because at least they’ll find their peace may would’ve got over it overtime.

[@nyanimepizzamaster9788]

@@ayanlevolg1606 yeah, though I hate to say it at least they were able to get a second chance in the end.

[@ArgonTheAware]

@@nyanimepizzamaster9788 But how do you know that they would survive even with a second chance? Especially because it depends on when they were sent back to. After all wouldn't Doc Ock still have to drown to stop his reactor? Wouldn't the Green Goblin still be in the path of his glider?

[@nyanimepizzamaster9788]

@@ArgonTheAware I can only imagine or even hope

[@ArgonTheAware]

@@nyanimepizzamaster9788 But was that hope worth losing Aunt May or everyone that loves Peter Parker forgetting him?

[@BooBop1987]

This scene is so darn serious!

[@mrtardis6374]

it's a shame the part at 0:55 wasn't added to the official no way home soundtrack, such a cool part !

[@sectorz1019]

Wait so the little guitar playing wasn't added cause I've been looking for it

[@mrtardis6374]

@@sectorz1019 no it hasn't :( I really hope they put it in a special deition or smthg else, 'cos I really like that part as well xD

[@sectorz1019]

@@mrtardis6374 they should it's a very beautiful song

[@TheMandalorianRedeemed]

Wtf are you talking about….

[@mrtardis6374]

@@TheMandalorianRedeemed ??

[@jeramahia123]

Dr Strange knows what he's talking about. He saw the only outcome of them defeating Thanos was Tony dying. You can hear that acceptance in his voice.

[@tusharrajkonwar2378]

This scene and The Canon Event scene from Spider Verse 2 are pretty similar.

[@aranha6169]

Not exactly

[@swoopsack3368]

@@aranha6169 yes exactly*

[@CatVideoEr]

​@@swoopsack3368 no. Canon event is absurd. Uncle ben died in every universe? Multiverse have infinite possiblity

[@Altherot]

"If they die, they die." - Spoken like a true Drago.

[@FC_mania]

In the grand calculus of the multiverse, two Spidermen are willing to stand against fate.

[@lfd10noob]

That's what Spidey is all about!

[@rolandcabral5295]

In other words, Spider Man can change fates. And fates is never set in stone.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Iron boy jr

[@SilverWolf442]

1:07 -1:15 Seeing how scared they look is actually tugs my heart-strings a bit. Glad the Spider Men were able to save these versions at least.

[@marekorbo7161]

Damn Benedict is such an awesome actor... He really plays the role of Sorcerer or Archmage really well. You can feel power, knowledge, understanding and greater purpose from the way he speaks or hold himself. I truly prefer MC characters done like this than comic relief Strange 2 or Thor 4 was.... Just Strange saying "Why?" is better acting than 90% of movies nowadays...

[@c.c.m98]

This scene shows that Peter, all things considered, is just a kid. He is smart enough to know Strange was right, but he did what he did anyways, and now May is dead and he is a complete stranger to the whole world

[@ShaunakDesaiPiano]

0:43 after this sentence by Strange, Peter should have made a comeback comparing Strange to Thanos, since that sounds like exactly how Thanos would justify his goals.

[@gorrow1990]

For all the criticism Tom's Spider-Man has gotten, Spider-Man showing empathy for his villains in NWH is in line with comics Spider-Man.

[@ravenouspuncher]

thats one thing I agree . This is who spiderman is

[@XxQuakeZxX]

This scene shows why doctor strange was chosen to be the sorcerer supreme. He does what is needed to do to save the multiverse. He has to make the hard calls.

[@marvelguy2001]

When Strange swore an oath to not kill anyone, he's like Batman. He never kills anyone in order to honor his parent's death.

[@faisalakhtar3394]

I don't think we have seen Strange's parents. Batman's no kill rule is not there to honour his parents' death. Even if it is, it is a weird way to put it. The reason why he chooses not to kill is because he wants to keep his commitment to do what he set out to do and not become consumed by revenge and crime fighting. His parents' death might be a contributor because they were killed and he does not want to be a killer. It is his way of seperating himself from criminals and vigilantes he fights. The rule means he has drawn a line which helps him stand on the side of justice. Steven was a neuro surgeon before practising mystical arts. His job as a surgeon was to save people's lives.

[@marvelguy2001]

@@faisalakhtar3394 But I mean look at Strange's victims he killed: Ancient One, Tony Stark, and Wanda.

[@Ye_B0i]

@@marvelguy2001 how tf did Strange kill Tony Stark and Wanda? Wanda killed herself.

[@marvelguy2001]

@@Ye_B0i Because every time Strange asks someone for help, they die.

[@luiseduardomurillomartinez]

@@faisalakhtar3394 Good analysis. And, when you take into account that Batman's father (Thomas Wayne) in another timeline where he doesn't die and does him. Thomas being Batman has no problem, at all, to kill. people. Which makes his no killing rule more useless than before.

[@LuisAlvarez-mr5wm]

0:36 “In the grand calculus of the Multiverse, their sacrifice means infinitely more than their lives. I’m sorry, kid. If they die, they die.”

[@johnw420]

Gives me chills every time

[@NorydMatos]

"come on Strange have a heart" ☹️

[@warsthemarvel8608]

@@NorydMatos”Last time a variant of me had heart he went too far enough to destroy his own universe for Christine.”

[@tonygonzales2696]

Anyone else thought of Ivan drago “if he dies, he dies”

[@Xylarxcode]

I feel like this is one of the most divisive scenes in the whole movie. There's people who will side with Strange and think Peter is being irrational and people who side with Peter and will call Strange heartless or arrogant and some people who see the merit in both and would have a much harder time making a solid decision. Personally, I'm with Strange on this one, which made it a bit tougher to root for Spider-Man in his own movie, because I kept thinking: 'Well, whatever happens next, it's all on you, Peter. You had your chance to let Strange fix this and you chose to defy that and go your own way.' I still enjoyed the movie and thought it was one of the best Spider-Man movies they've made yet, but I did have trouble supporting the motivation they tried to give Peter. Usually, it's easy to be on the side of the hero. Not necessarily so in this movie. Maybe it is for some, but not for all.

[@Robertws]

I also agree with Strange, but I think you miss the point that the movie is trying to make. Sending them home straight away is the safe, easy thing to do, let them fulfill their fate and move on. On the other hand, helping them, curing them of their physical and mental problems is much harder, much riskier, but (for Peter) it's the right thing to do, to give them a chance at living when they get sent back. How could Peter live up to being a responsibility his powers give him, to help everyone and anyone he can, if he turns a blind eye to these people in need of help? The way I see it, the risk of unleashing the five very dangerous super villains into New York and possibly getting alot of people killed isn't worth trying to help them, but for Peter he feels like he at least has to try.

[@Xylarxcode]

@@Robertws It's not just the people in the city that are at risk, though. Strange makes it very clear that the villains just being in Peter's world threatens to unravel the very fabric of the multiverse, putting who even knows how many lives at risk. Strange says it himself: 'In the grand calculus of the multiverse, their sacrifice means infinitely more than their lives.' He also feels genuinely sorry for Peter that this decision needs to be made, but you can't risk the destabilization of other worlds just because you have a bleeding heart for what will happen to them. It's tragic and we all empathize, but they need to go back or else everything will devolve into chaos. I just couldn't support Peter's decision to try and cure them over sending them back right away, even if it means their death. It's not just the safe and easy thing to do, it's the only logical thing. You can't risk this many lives for the sake of a few, however regrettable their fates may be. It's just not justifiable. Ofcourse, Peter's plan ended up working out and he gave them their better fate, but he couldn't have known it would work out. He followed his heart and in so doing, he risked a lot more than he had any right to. If it hadn't worked out as he intended, things would have turned to shit real fast. I had a very difficult time supporting that decision, which is an interesting development in a superhero movie, because usually cheering for the good guy is easy.

[@Robertws]

@@Xylarxcode Yeah, kinda forgot about the whole 'unraveling the multiverse' thing, and like I said I do agree with you and Dr Strange, but I don't think that Peter's decision was purely 'bleeding heart' as you say. Obviously he wants to help them, but he believes he _can_ help them with the tech and knowledge he has, plus he knows he has at least a little bit of time before the multiverse unravels and they have to be sent back home since it didn't unravel straight away. Not only that, they also have the means to send them back in case it didn't work. It was still risky, dangerous (to a potentially infinite amount of people), but like I said Peter at least want to _try_ to help them in any way he can.

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

If you have a chance to stop a villian without killing them you should always take that option first, Peter isn't just thinking this on a whim he KNOWS he has the techonology to help them. The moral question of is it right to kill a villian is always a good one to have. And the other Spidermen agree with Peter on this too along with Aunt May, this is also a case of Strange thinking he has the solution and refusing to buckle aka he had to be the one holding the knife. If he had listened to Peter he could've helped keep the Vilians in check while Peter worked on curing them.

[@Salik96]

@@Cloud-dt6xb Lol yeah and look what happened his aunt paid the price for it. Fuck those villains why should I help them when they want to kill me? Sometimes your gonna have to kill the villain in order to save everyone else. The boys is proof of that.

[@jordankrzywicki9412]

1:33 If I had a nickel for every time I heard that

[@mikeywashington2609]

If you look at multiverse of madness he uses Spiderman's morals even after forgetting who he is he remembers that every life is worth saving and he pretty much had her same look when he was willing to send the villains back to their timeline to their death

[@pkness1010]

I actually feel bad for the villains in this scene

[@hunterquate9436]

Peter: "We can't send them back, some of these guys are gonna die" Miguel O'Hara: "It's a *Cannon Event.* We Must send them Back!"

[@lilachodan4941]

🤣 Peter catching with his webs and running away with it 😂

[@thomashines6958]

I would love to have the powers of Spiderman! it would be so cool!!!! 😁

[@Free_Palestine_419]

DC Heroes: Killing is wrong no matter what! Marvel Heroes: If they die... THEY DIE!!!

[@Isaacthebiggestmoviefan57]

dc - takes the box marvel - dont

[@luiseduardomurillomartinez]

@Arim Oh •. Actually, it seems fans only have that problem with Superman and Batman. If someone else do this they don't care.

[@user-ld8lv5py7k]

Joker: killing is making a choice.

[@finlandguy427]

Not directly killing them, Strange have to send them for balancing the multiverse, so he doesn't directly kill them. He doesn't know what their fates are but he had to send them to their own universes either way because he doesn't want to interfer and meddle with the multiverse.

[@MarcoMenendez-cl3dw]

LOL I would have to disagree on you with that

[@adamkalb1]

"Come on, Strange, have a heart." is harsher in hindsight after the What If...? episode What If...Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead Of His Hands? because we get to see what kind of a monster Doctor Strange really is with no heart.

[@bluelightning118]

How can dr strange not have a heart that’s bs

[@warsthemarvel8608]

Cause he’s looking at a bigger picture than his own personal desires to protect his own universe from the possible repercussions of curing the villains and that’s exactly what happened to Peter, he lost Aunt May, EVERYONE forgot who he is and now has nothing.

[@coreyondavis6032]

i think miguel is having a whole meltdown with this movie

[@AmazingArtisticSpidey]

1:33 Sounds like Peter B. Parker from Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse 🕷🕸🤟🏽❤️‍🔥💙🍔🍟🥤🥯☕️

[@TheGameware]

"It's their fate" *spiderman 2099 appears*

[@veemonfan8102]

"In the grand calculus of the Multiverse, their sacrifice means infinitely more than their lives." When Strange said that, my mind automatically jumped to Tony and Natasha. I know he was just trying to protect the MCU Universe, but the fact that he's willing to sacrifice so many lives to do it, it makes me wonder if he is the true villain of the MCU. And no I haven't seen Dr. Strange 2 yet so no spoilers please.

[@keithadams7619]

Heroes and Villians become juvenile concepts when you're talking about the multiverse. Millions of different universes, similar universes and everything in between with trillions upon trillions of lifeforms inhabiting them, and they're all interconnected. What affects one WILL affect the others. Maintaining the balance is a thankless task which I imagine only by doing it would anyone begin to understand to complexity and the importance of the task.

[@veemonfan8102]

@@keithadams7619 i think it's more of a moral issue for me. They are living beings most of whom had just been brought back from the dead only to be told they're being sent back to their times and universes. The one constant of the MCU is that everybody gets a second chance. Thanks to Peter, these guys were given that chance.

[@keithadams7619]

@@veemonfan8102 don't get me wrong, I think it's great Peter was able to find a way to resolve the problem without compromising on his values. That said, Strange was willing to try and accommodate Peter knowing the consequences could be catastrophic (even going so far as seemingly lying to Wong to get him to stay out of it), and we know how that worked out. Like I said, Strange's position is an unenviable one. Keeping an equilibrium across the multiverse to keep this cosmic house of cards from collapsing on itself. Think of it as a pair of scales ⚖ with a button underneath each plate wired to detonate a thermonuclear bomb when pressed. Each good or evil deed is added to each of the scales in turn, too much weight on one side or the other will set off a catastrophic chain of events (like that shown in No Way Home, and likely Multiverse of Madness as well). As such Strange has the unenviable job of making sure neither side gains the upper hand, which can lead to a course of action he clearly doesn't want to do, but has to, to maintain the balance (like giving the Time Stone to Thanos, or reversing the spell Peter botched).

[@CJ-ln5ov]

Damn, I never stopped to think about that line applying to Tony and Natasha. That’s…REALLY dark.

[@veemonfan8102]

@@CJ-ln5ov back Infinity War he viewed every possible outcome of the fight against Thanos, meaning he knew 5 years ahead of time they would die trying to stop him. To me, Strange just seems so callous about sending the villains home without trying to help them.

[@Teoman9]

Best Spider-Man movie Ever, I don’t care what anyone says.

[@Tom-oz7wk]

It brings together so many great characters like doc strange and garfields spiderman so I dunno why anyone would argue

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@Tom-oz7wk eh still has issues

[@Tom-oz7wk]

@@tobsonasanya4765 like how electro knew Peter Parker was spiderman?

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@Tom-oz7wk some said Gwen said peter in the fight but eh

[@Tom-oz7wk]

@@tobsonasanya4765 oh true. I think electro said he was absorbing data before he got moved and maybe he put 2 and 2 together to get Peter Parker. What issues would you say the film had?

[@Takaichi666-]

1:08 the fear in the villains as they are about to die I love it

[@tusharroymukherjee3370]

Just saying - if Strange had explained it a little better like" Look if we send them back, they'll land up in the exact same moment they were pulled from,and if they don't have their powers, they'll die without a fighting chance.", The rest of this movie wouldn't have happened.

[@watchforever1724]

Love this scene

[@theencryptedpartition4633]

“In the grand Calculus of the universe, their sacrifice means infinitely more than their lives” What if Peter said: Is that what happened to Tony?

[@leoribeirop]

0:19 - 0:56 i remeber getting SO nervous at the first time in theater room, the soundtrack intensifying more and more according to gravity of their discussion, this is simply CINEMA, michael giacchino was amazing here. it's been more than two years and i still haven't gotten over this movie!!

[@darken27]

"If they die, they die" hits different after now having watched the "What If" episode

[@draycephantom9940]

If it wasn’t for his sympathy for these villains Aunt may would’ve lived oh well..

[@disneypixarmarveldreamwork4333]

Yeah.

[@amokriinprolgiid3409]

Based on where each was plucked from the timeline, most of the dead ones would still die after being cured. Norman Osborn might be okay if it was back to before he pushed the button to launch his glider at spiderman, so he can just choose not to and survive. Doctor Octavius would still drown in the river or be vaporized as by his own account, he was plucked right before he collapsed the place to flood it and stop the machine, so he'd have no choice but to still flood the place and probably drown. Sandman still wouldn't die because he never did in the first place. Lizard probably still wouldn't die, since he didn't die in the first place, assuming he wasn't plucked while he was climbing a building or underwater or anything. Electro would still die because he was plucked while he was inside of a live electrical grid, which, instead of overloading him, would just fry him from the inside out.

[@ar4imond]

If they die, they die. Cold. Didnt expect to hear it from Strange.

[@JacobNintendoNerd99]

This is the moment MCU Peter actually becomes Spider-Man

[@SteamGrace]

I disliked the movie at first, but after a rewatch it has grown on me. Such an interesting premise, a Spider-Man movie where Spider-Man saves Spider-Man villains from Spider-Man.

[@GrandRiserOfficial]

Whats funny and ironic is Strange used to be a doctor, trying to cure people, and really care about 1 life. Now he seems ungrounded, and consider himself "beyond" doctor talking like 1 life is not worth saving compared to multiverse. Whereas Spiderman, not a doctor, feels like 1 life saving really means a lot.

[@nabongobong9155]

After watching ATSV, apparently its their canon event

[@arifikram1502]

"If they die,they die" Ivan Drago:Hmmm😏

[@skmunabbar940]

0.37 strange's dialogue is just awesome

[@dinomonsterk2910]

0:37

[@SyndicateRSS]

0:45 music is telling us about that something coming up.

[@matiaspereira9382]

Peter: Strange we can't send them back. Not yet Doctor Strange: why not? Me: didn't you hear Doctor Octopus asking you if he and the other villains were gonna die?!

[@ryeastra262]

Even Rocky is referenced in this movie! 🤣

[@thatguybutitsactuallyagirl5384]

I'd fell for it too if I was Peter... I mean you see how they are calling out for Peter?!?

[@NewSuperAvenger]

MJ trying to stop Strange from getting to Peter has that Cap chocking Ultron vibes. I don't know why.

[@luiseduardomurillomartinez]

@NewSuperAvenger •. What she did was incredibly embarrasing, stupid and useless. At least what Cap was doing seemed to be working. In some extremely bizarre way that violates all logic Ultron seemed to drown.

[@AmitCinematicUniverse]

It is thanks to moments like this that I am glad I started rewriting this franchise two years ago.

[@paulinoruiz5906]

This movie could have ended so early if he could just press the button 😤

[@marvelguy2001]

Luckily, Spider-Man saves the movie before it could happen

[@Thorax7x686]

Connor and Marko are alive While Otto, Norman and Max couldn't make it

[@Jogyot3260]

I think Miguel doesn't intervene because he know Doctor Strange have the same mindset as him so he left everything to Doctor Strange and doesn't care to intervene anymore, bet he never know what happen to Doctor Strange after this and only find out long after the event of this movie ended "I think this witch doctor can handle it so whatever, proceed to another universe"

[@alexcruzship3683]

Because of the ending of this movie. All the other Spidermen seeing their villains get cured and now that there’s no more reason for them to fight it really makes you think what changed in the other universes. Like Norman Osborn never died because both Norman and Sam Ramie’s Spider-Man saw each other get cured so Norman is still alive so harry never becomes Goblin jr. that also makes sandman become good and Venom has no one to help him defeat spiderman

[@silverloveguns]

i like the music in this scene

[@SrChr778]

I get Peter feels like he's trying to do right. But in the grand scheme of things, he's just being selfish. What he wants by his standards and not the universe's. By doing that, it upsets the natural balance of reality. That becomes apparent when he tries to tamper with the amnesia spell. No matter what, he's still a kid at heart. So much to learn.

[@devtel0912]

Well it worked didn’t it all the villains are cured

[@joshthaller4754]

@@devtel0912 Yes and as a result peter lost his aunt and friends

[@finlandguy427]

You're right there 👍 he was also paying a great price for such defying task.

[@warsthemarvel8608]

And Miles is about to suffer the same consequences of denying Miguel’s warnings of Canon events unless the writers are just gonna make Miles right and Miguel wrong in Beyond.

[@simongraves8339]

This is what happens when emotion (spiderman) can't deal with logic and reason (Stephen strange)

[@Daniel-ks4th]

Not really, they both placed value over different things (emotion) and had their own reasoning

[@simongraves8339]

@@Daniel-ks4th emotion providing all the wrong outcomes

[@Daniel-ks4th]

@@simongraves8339 you could also say logic providing the wrong outcomes. Point is emotion vs. Logic and reason isn't the way to look at decision making, it involves both for everyone

[@simongraves8339]

@@Daniel-ks4th every decision peter has made has been cause he "feels" its the right thing to do un ironically what hydra in winter soldier and what thanos was trying to do while they are both inconsivably morally wrong it was a better outcome for the greater good I'm not including second phase thanos btw

[@Daniel-ks4th]

@@simongraves8339 you can say that about literally anyone who makes a decision. Every decision Strange has made has been cause he "feels" its the right thing to do. Only time someone is doing something that they don't feel is the right thing is cause someone else is forcing them

[@cbolanz1]

The Mackina decadavas? I thought he said the nazerous cadaverous articulata.

[@joshthaller4754]

Strange is correct and the smart one who looks at the bigger picture. In many ways he is smarter and better than Iron man. Peter should have listened to Dr. strange, would still have his aunt and friends. There is being idealistic and then there is being foolish.

[@tizianotrasmondo6011]

No one could know what was gonna happen, it was unpredictable even for Strange himself. Peter ultimately did the right thing and all the bad things happened later couldn't be anticipated in any way. You aren't foolish just 'cause you try to help people in danger.

[@nadimabbas4093]

@@tizianotrasmondo6011 Not everything that happened was unpredictable. Peter already knew the villains were dangerous and that they hate Spider-Man since he just heard their stories of their past battles with their respective Spider-Men. It was obvious from the beginning that they can't be trusted and that they'll just attack and escape when he lets them out of their cells. And he was already concerned when Norman went to see May the first time (though she wasn't in any danger then), so he had every reason to suspect what might happen

[@tizianotrasmondo6011]

@@nadimabbas4093 Guess what? They actually agree to trust Peter and let him cure them. None of them just attacked him as soon as he released them (they chilled out and Otto and Norman them even cooperated into making cures for them). It was just Green Goblin who came on the surface and manipulated Max into keeping his powers while Lizard broke havoc on his own and Flint quitted. We all know you're a Peter Parker hater bro so please spare us your poison for yourself.

[@nadimabbas4093]

@@tizianotrasmondo6011 But they still turned on Peter anyway and escaped, so they didn't let him cure them. In fact, Otto was only cured because Peter tied him up with his own tentacles and might have attacked otherwise. And to make things worse, Green Goblin killed May which wouldn't have happened if Peter hadn't trusted the villains in the first place. Green Goblin didn't exactly manipulate Max since even though he told him to keep his powers, Max made that decision himself because he didn't want to go back to his old life where he was bullied and neglected by his co-workers. The point is that Peter was foolish in his decision of trusting the villains to let him cure them since they're obviously too dangerous to be allowed to stay

[@R_Karri]

Feels like across the spider verse.

[@CjHeltonsI]

Dr Strange DON’T 1:23

[@CjHeltonsI]

Ned Dude What Are You Doing 1:27

[@Mariofanaticanimations]

Me when I hear rumours about Velma getting a second season

[@finlandguy427]

imagine if sandman found a small hole from his magical cell through which he could go through and escape.

[@legomaker1423]

Peter is a good man if Strange did spend back one of them would have even know only two of them are dead as there are alive

[@ryanstauffer119]

They were originally supposed to have Multiverse of Madness take place before this movie. With that, Peter was supposed to be informed that Strange has experience with this sort of stuff. I actually wish that happened because when Strange explains how the villains' deaths are worthy of a multiversal sacrifice, he would've been more serious than that. Strange would have explained to Peter, Ned, MJ, and the villains that he would have told them about "incursions" based on what he learned in Multiverse of Madness. Strange would tell them all that the longer the visitors are in their world, the worlds they originate from will collide into the current one and can destroy one, some or all of those worlds together. And if Tom Hardy's Venom did show up in which he'd be here, Strange wouldn't just say that four Earths are in stake. Even though some of the people are from same universes, they were pulled from separate timelines. With that, multiple versions of the same Earths are being pulled. For the Raimiverse, it'd be four Earths. For Webbverse, it'd be three Earths. And we all know that'd it'd just be one for Eddie and Venom. So at this moment, eight Earths were being brought to the MCU's. Therefore, nine Earths total at this moment were in jeopardy. But of course, we don't know how many Earths total if more people throughout the multiverse came to this one. Strange would say that the villains going back to their universes to die is better than them dying with everyone else of all the other Earths.

[@IncredibleFulk1]

I love this movie, but damn do I wish Multiverse of Madness came first. It pretty much set the rules of the Multiverse and it would explain things better here. I also heard America Chavez would have played a role in No Way Home and brought Tobey and Andrew.

[@ryanstauffer119]

@@IncredibleFulk1 Yeah, I heard about that too. That seems to make more sense than Ned bringing them in. Ned doing it just felt like lazy writing of a change. Strange struggled learning how to make his first portal, even America was still struggling to make one at the end of the movie, but Ned did it quicker.

[@ericjiang8948]

@@IncredibleFulk1 I remember hearing that if MOM had come first, Strange was supposed to be on bedrest for the 1st act recovering from his multiverse incursion, meaning Chavez was also going to be the one who botched the initial spell to make everyone forget Peter is Spiderman, which makes a lot more sense seeing as she's an young, inexperienced sorcerer with a bit of a reckless streak.

[@macmooney9136]

0:12-0:13 and then what, we perish 0:14-0:15 no no thanks I pass on that

[@AnimeLover-tc2fj]

1:33 Dr. Strange:"This is why I never had kids." Me: I know what you mean

[@XeniusChannel]

0:30 Doctor Strange looks more evil than ever when deliver that line XDDDDDDD

[@Hunter47310]

Sandman chill cause he knows he wont die

[@ayanlevolg1606]

That is true, but we don’t know that he was about to die

[@Hunter47310]

@@ayanlevolg1606 true he got cured so uhhhhh he gonna get a death sentence

[@IndriidaeNT]

Of course Lizard and Sandman are the only ones who are not worried due to not being doomed to die in their universes in Spider-Man 3 (2007) and The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) unlike Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin and Electro in theirs in Spider-Man (2002), Spider-Man 2 (2004) and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014).

[@dylansearcy3966]

0:17 Oh, you can't do this to me!

[@kattysermeno8175]

Aren't you guys going to talk about that. "This is why i never have kids"

[@Tesseract.2012]

Good to know both MCU Peter and Spideverse Miles are reluctant to let others die and willing to change fate when told otherwise.

[@happytimes3657]

0:37 soundtrack link pls my fellow spideys....

[@tizianotrasmondo6011]

That'd have been the perfect moment the villains could've officially teamed up into the Sinister Six and try breaking off the dungeon to kill Peter; since they knew Spider-Man was gonna kill them all, it would be felt like a "It's either him or us" situation. Still pretty cool how it went anyway.

[@ayanlevolg1606]

No, that’s the thing Norman he not your Peter and he never will

[@ernestkevinerano1882]

Good that aunt may died because of Peter's stubborness.

[@mazeoross8970]

Well the villians started out as good kind people. The way they are now is due to them being in freak accidents.

[@simongraves8339]

@@mazeoross8970 what's that got to do with spiderman not listening to reason and logic and paying for it dearly

[@mazeoross8970]

@@simongraves8339 My point is that he did the right thing even though there were consequences.

[@simongraves8339]

@@mazeoross8970 and he paid for it dearly which is stupid save the villains to get good people killed makes no sense by that token if you had to pick between a murderer and a loving mum of three were supposed to pick the murderer

[@jiashuanchiah]

1:24 showtime!

[@faded9581]

I feel like Strange could have gotten through to Peter if had approached this logically. "Peter, these men have already died. People in their universes have been traumatized, recovered, been born, died because of their actions, and their deaths. Saving them is to violate all the people whose lives would be transformed by their returning alive. We might as well be talking to ghosts."

[@Ye_B0i]

This is actually out of character of Strange, if anyone remembers Strange’s solo movie, he was characterized as a pacifist who couldn’t take lifes, but now for some reason he takes no issue sending villains to their death? This movie is so lazily written.

[@danielnduoma3843]

He's not exactly the one doing the killing though. They naturally die fighting their world's Spider-Man, he's simply not getting in the way of that to avoid breaking the fabric of reality. Besides, we've already seen in the MCU how he is willing to make difficult choices to achieve success. Sure he has a background as a doctor but he's more than just that now; he's a Master of the Mystic Arts, former Sorcerer Supreme. He has to make tough calls, prioritizing the safety of his universe over everything else

[@nutsfromberserk247]

Have you seen how much he suffered in dark dimension? At that day he found out that how much important it is to save the world and he put the 1 for 1million mindset He also killed tony to stop thanos

[@ExileTwilight]

I feel that after the first botching of the spell Strange should have just not explained things until after... Of course, then there wouldn't be a movie.

[@G1Grimlock94]

They all the same Villains from Raimiverse and Webverse

[@szymonbober2280]

Peter lucked out that it was Green Goblin, Doc. Ock, Electro, Lisard and Sandman, and not... well, i dunno... Thanos...

[@kyreerbohngalvez4438]

Thanos doesn't know his identity

[@Tommy-rf9sw]

Their death is canon. 😂, Dr. Strange is Miguel and Peter is Miles.

[@josh8270]

Sandman was Gucci lmao