"MOGUL MOVES" ft. Ludwig - OfflineTV Podcast #7

On this week’s podcast, Ludwig talks about his quick rise to Twitch fame, online beef with other content creators, and his upcoming toilet bidet business!
Filmed November 4th, 2021
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Toast only discovered Ludwig last year
01:18 - Ludwig’s first OTV Party experience
02:37 - Ludwig’s quick rise to fame
03:53 - Toast and Ludwig cross paths in Among Us
06:10 - Ludwig’s KZbin strategy
07:00 - Ludwig’s podcast (The Yard)
08:39 - Getting hate for edgy humor
11:37 - Online beef with other creators and fan’s reactions
15:50 - Why Ludwig is involved in every streamer clique
19:40 - Being self-conscious while streaming
22:57 - Ninja’s career
25:32 - Ludwig’s bidet business
28:01 - Ludwig’s current career status
29:14 - Ludwig talks about his Subathon experience
30:29 - How many employees work for Ludwig?
32:53 - How MrBeast can afford to spend so much money on content
34:33 - Toast asks Ludwig about platform deals (KZbin vs. Twitch vs. Facebook)
38:35 - Ludwig’s honest opinion on Twitch
39:25 - The best strategy to grow as a creator
40:04 - Ludwig created a secret KZbin channel to see if it could get popular without his branding
41:12 - Toast and Ludwig’s opinion on Livestreamfail (LSF) subreddit
43:58 - Toast and Ludwig look back at the Twitch income leak
45:04 - Ludwig watches low-viewer Russian streams on Twitch
45:50 - Twitch’s copyright system
46:34 - The advantages of getting banned on Twitch
47:10 - Buying houses for content
48:52 - The community “shipping” content creators
53:30 - Toast’s idea to re-create the Playboy Mansion for stream content
57:04 - At what age is it too old to stream?
58:58 - Fan question: Do you wish you could talk about off-brand topics/hobbies while streaming?
1:04:50 - Fan question: How do you make new friends as an adult?
1:12:27 - Toast’s Shang-Chi Update™
1:16:30 - Ludwig’s Hollywood aspirations
1:17:56 - Outro
Special Thanks:
Ludwig Ahgren | / ludwigahgren
OfflineTV Roster:
Scarra | / scarra
Pokimane | / pokimanelol
LilyPichu | / lilypichu
Disguised Toast l / disguisedtoast
Michael Reeves l / michaelreeves
Audio Version:
Spotify: spoti.fi/37cnxVG
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2Rj5NkY
Produced / Directed by:
Brodin Plett | / brodinplett
Edited by:
Max Olivo | / maxolivo
YT Managed by:
Dunois | / dunoiskr
Social links:
/ offlinetv
/ offlinetv
/ offlinetv
/ offlinetvgg
Discord Server:
/ discord

[@OfflineTVPodcast]

Timestamps! :D 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Toast only discovered Ludwig last year 01:18 - Ludwig’s first OTV Party experience 02:37 - Ludwig’s quick rise to fame 03:53 - Toast and Ludwig cross paths in Among Us 06:10 - Ludwig’s KZbin strategy 07:00 - Ludwig’s podcast (The Yard) 08:39 - Getting hate for edgy humor 11:37 - Online beef with other creators and fan’s reactions 15:50 - Why Ludwig is involved in every streamer clique 19:40 - Being self-conscious while streaming 22:57 - Ninja’s career 25:32 - Ludwig’s bidet business 28:01 - Ludwig’s current career status 29:14 - Ludwig talks about his Subathon experience 30:29 - How many employees work for Ludwig? 32:53 - How MrBeast can afford to spend so much money on content 34:33 - Toast asks Ludwig about platform deals (KZbin vs. Twitch vs. Facebook) 38:35 - Ludwig’s honest opinion on Twitch 39:25 - The best strategy to grow as a creator 40:04 - Ludwig created a secret KZbin channel to see if it could get popular without his branding 41:12 - Toast and Ludwig’s opinion on Livestreamfail (LSF) subreddit 43:58 - Toast and Ludwig look back at the Twitch income leak 45:04 - Ludwig watches low-viewer Russian streams on Twitch 45:50 - Twitch’s copyright system 46:34 - The advantages of getting banned on Twitch 47:10 - Buying houses for content 48:52 - The community “shipping” content creators 53:30 - Toast’s idea to re-create the Playboy Mansion for stream content 57:04 - At what age is it too old to stream? 58:58 - Fan question: Do you wish you could talk about off-brand topics/hobbies while streaming? 1:04:50 - Fan question: How do you make new friends as an adult? 1:12:27 - Toast’s Shang-Chi Update™ 1:16:30 - Ludwig’s Hollywood aspirations 1:17:56 - Outro

[@Phuongyyy]

Timestamps on point 👌🏽

[@someasiankid6323]

wubabalaababadubdudb

[@kpal17]

now I get to see where is my weekly Shang-Chi update is. THANK YOU!

[@bannanabean8792]

Honestly I really appreciate the timestamps in the comments. Thanks a lot!

[@SynthesisThirty]

I like how Toast's Shang-Chi is trade marked 😂

[@JulianCedar]

Ludwig is a content machine. If he's not doing something big on stream, he's most definitely planning the next big step already

[@donoduzo6949]

hes a great comedian. bro i would watch anything he is in. even a 1hr podcast

[@duhneez2068]

such a great conversationist

[@skechyassmofo]

That's what we call Mogul Moves

[@mewgiah8057]

Dude needs help. Anyone who is a "content machine" and are "always on" (like Mizkif types) have severe mental illness. Also pro tip, these people tend to be miserable to be around behind the scenes.

[@JulianCedar]

Killjoy 😐

[@3chew265]

Ludwig always inviting people rock climbing

[@siccodewilt1]

Cant blame him. That sport is like a drug.

[@LazarusMcPush]

@@siccodewilt1 it is! got hooked in since i started a year ago.

[@domino-86]

i'd love to go

[@jarrodwakefield4992]

Sport is actually crack, I haven't looked back since

[@LazarusMcPush]

@@domino-86 go for it man! the climbing community is really cool n it wouldnt be too scary to go alone n meet new people (in case you don’t have friends who r into climbing). in my experience, most climbers encourage each other to complete the climbs!

[@KG45Brham]

I thought we'd get a Brodin episode. I'll wait but Toast x Lud is like a conversation of the minds

[@yavalio7500]

Every episode is a Brodin episode just connect the dots

[@drdandy5680]

@BunsGlazing imagine he does both

[@matthiasnm4279]

@BunsGlazing I mean the camera is staying still on a tripod they just need someone that can do research there

[@TheMortalKomic]

@BunsGlazing I think Brodin should just do a solo podcast

[@matthiasnm4279]

@BunsGlazing yeah but pressing a button to switch between them isn’t so hard I don’t think, most of them have camera experience even if it’s through vlloging or Webcams

[@xxsigmaxx5858]

ludwig is actually a genius at whatever his job is called, streamer youtuber, entrepreneur, social media manager, etc

[@SameSam94]

You missed "scammer"

[@lx130]

@@SameSam94 ooo curious. Please elaborate

[@str4wberri]

@@lx130 scamwig

[@orchid3795]

@@SameSam94 also missed "tax evader"

[@ale5929]

@@lx130 it's an inside joke

[@TheMoistBanana]

The whole idea of not having to be the "main" character is the reason why lud vibes so well with everyone. And it brings out his best

[@fedepereiraa]

I'm so glad to see Lud on the podcast, after the reverse charades with otv I was really craving more interaction with the group!

[@NeuroPowerlifter]

One of the best videos is lud trying to make people say something for him to get a deaze nuts joke off... brilliant

[@minari3462]

the painting dilemma too where ludwig sues otv

[@NeuroPowerlifter]

@@minari3462 yeah they always collab well, that video was a brodin master piece, he's done amazing for OTV videos

[@drdandy5680]

Alright now The Yard Podcast has to feature an OfflineTV member like Michael because that combination with the humor of The Yard is beautiful

[@jarunia17]

YEEEESSSS

[@crowpotking1100]

The Yard, OTV Podcast, and Chuckle Sandwich are starting to intertwine

[@drdandy5680]

@@crowpotking1100 Next thing you know Trash Taste starts getting in it somehow

[@cheese5414]

@@drdandy5680 and then the official podcast lul

[@immortal_shrooms6757]

@@crowpotking1100 Podcast Trifecta

[@whimsikCal]

I haven't watched it but I know I'm gonna love it as a long time fan of Toast and Ludwig. There was a time I remembered awhile back (when Toast was on Twitch and Ludwig was still building his community) when Toast was streaming asking chat for content suggestions and Ludwig in chat suggested smash content. At the time, I was a bit shocked that Ludwig watched Toast, especially since I mainly knew him from Melee. Things really have changed since then and now my two favorite CC's are together in a podcast. I couldn't ask for anything more.

[@staceycampbell2811]

Comment back if you’ve watched it yet , it’s got great questions which makes for good conversation ☝🏽

[@mariapaz6379]

i like that talks a lot about themes that are not morally good or bad. For example, him saying that he doesn't pick his games for fun, its not an idea that streamers say out loud or promote. But he is not ashamed or scared to be honest about it. This interview reminds me a lot of an interview that linus gave a few years ago, that talked a lot about business in entertainment. Great vibes, loved this episode, i hope ludwig bidet business flourishes.

[@lenoio512]

He has like no filter at all and is just naturally funny. I love it lol He’s pretty good at basically being the „boys being boys, nothing better than this“ meme while always understanding boundaries but still just plain banter all the time.

[@Ezepasch]

The amount of foreshadowing in this episode is crazy

[@shnn_twt]

wdym

[@priti9016]

wdym

[@devsiva8497]

Wdym

[@nikolaovcharov377]

@@shnn_twt Ludwig becoming big on YT as opposed to Twitch.

[@FeminineGhost]

This was such a good conversation. Toast’s level of comfort with Ludwig and honestly Ludwig just being so breezy made it so good to listen to. I’d be down for a Toast/ Ludwig/ Micheal podcast

[@chumz80hd]

Agree adding Mykeal would of brought out Toast/Lud so much more!

[@williamknight7]

Who thinks Ludwig should have been nominated for Content Creator of the Year? 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@crowpotking1100]

Yea. I don't think he would've won because of his love-hate parasocial relationship but they definitely should've offered it because how well he's done

[@Rhalmarius]

I'm more surprised Jerma wasn't nominated, especially after the Dollhouse streams.

[@nightkore6756]

him and jerma should have been there 😷

[@SuspectSh0t]

He deserved it much more then any of the mincrafters

[@sudarshangurung8099]

Bro not only the content creator one but the recent nominations for streamer of the year. Both Ludwig and jerma had so many great streams throughout the year

[@ryanocallaghan9889]

God the foreshadowing by Ludwig in this was insane that man truly knows how to embody mogul moves

[@LLGameShows]

What do you mean

[@TheMortalKomic]

@@LLGameShows Moving to YT

[@devskl1341]

55:00 is literally just ludwig and toast discussing love or host

[@shogun3317]

irl love or host lmao

[@HeartAnime14]

The key to making friends: You either worship the same thing or you develop a mutual dislike towards something is usually the way people bond For example: You share the same interest or involve in the same fandom A few of my friends bonded over our extreme dislike for a professor at our university

[@U._.D]

The last part took me out😭

[@matthiasnm4279]

Literally I’ve made friends over how incompetent one of my profs is

[@420fedoras]

Fun fact: i did an essay on this in uni and found that bonding over a mutual dislike works really well for short term relationships and bonding over a common interest works well for long relationships

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@jaysonnozid1055]

can confirm for both especially for the mutual dislike lol i think it's because it's more fulfilling to vent with people who get you and would match your emotion well

[@majorjay18]

Awesome episode! Funny how Toast brought up platform deals when we now know both of them have switched streaming platforms.

[@3Dvertex]

Watching Ludwig has convinced me that English majors are different breed. The human embodiment of fine wine, if you will. Damn, this guy is eloquent.

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@SnowpointSilver]

The legendary duo, is back I couldn’t be happier

[@MelniaShadow]

But Sykunno is not there wdym

[@samhu8474]

I swear theres like 50 legendary duos at this point. When theres so many duos, how many of em are ACTUALLY legendary ?

[@immortal_shrooms6757]

@@samhu8474 when everybody's legendary, nobody is

[@margauxvirra]

@@samhu8474 there’s millions of legends of heroes or myths why can’t there be millions of legends of streamer duos/trios/groups

[@jeremiah9284]

@@samhu8474 to be fair most duos with toast or ludwig is top tier

[@brandongair6384]

Had to come back and rewatch the parts where they talk about platform deals after they both signed deals to switch platforms😂

[@yeolwo]

ludwig work so hard for his content. the fact that his events such as tournaments isn't only for him but he gives other streamers an opportunity to make content as well as win prizes. He's definitely one of the best streamers on twitch

[@kkell5012]

this was a great podcast! toast is philisophical and lud is analytical which is an engaging combo. i remember one among us stream i watched on luds channel and toast was having....i guess like an existential crisis related to streaming and friends...and he spent the game talking mostly i think to lud and corpse about it. ever since hearing bits of those conversations i've always wished toast and lud would talk about those types of things at more length - and this definitely scratched that itch for me!

[@Restless_Gambler777]

Ludwig is great at understanding the mechanisms behind content creation. He really figured out the game plan and is great at executing it, I find that streamers fall into 1 of two categories, those that that were lucky with their success and those who earned it, Ludwig is definitely in the second.

[@Jaykerz]

34:33 is such a better segment now that we now that ludwig was deciding what to do during that time

[@rowni]

I really like the Lud and Toast vibes. They get each other.

[@senatordodo4240]

ludwig is the absolute perfect example of a "career streamer". Streaming/KZbin is only luck if youre just playing a video game with a mediocore setup for 6 hours a day. Actually putting in effort means doing it like ludwig, you wonna be a top streamer? you can be, just do it like ludwig

[@raveinojales2032]

True. It's be like Ludwig or be better than Ludwig if you want to make a decent living off of streaming/youtube.

[@b0BSh4nk3r]

to be fair he had a pretty favorable background prior to full time streaming and youtube. he had the right connections and the right experience to become a big content creator. i think his skill argument works fine until it comes to breaking through the 100k-500k ceiling

[@senatordodo4240]

@@b0BSh4nk3r i disagree. He definitely had an advantage since he did stand up in college and also commentated but to get a "normal" job that earns like being a top streamer, you need to study too. The luck aspect comes in with what the trends currently are but there will always be group things like among us and rust, etc. If you put in the effort to make those connections you are easily on your way to being a top streamer

[@2nerC9]

@@senatordodo4240 yeah the fact that he got invited to pogchamps chess and had that clip of like a million views at the time on twitch where he reacted live to xqc losing in 6 moves to Charlie was very lucky to say the least but i think he would've made it anyways with his smart networking and creative ideas. Plus he was already a 4K andy before that

[@Jette...]

I love seeing Lud dance around the topic of him going to youtube during the conversation about platform deals because it wasn't public yet :D

[@arigumpop]

im so happy to see all the love ludwig is getting. hes really just a “built different” streamer and content-machine.

[@yurrrrrrrrrrrrr]

he sits in a room and hates on people for no reason LOL

[@arigumpop]

@@yurrrrrrrrrrrrr arent u hating on him by saying that? hypocrite

[@Pengtropica]

Heard him talk about it on stream and have been waiting ever since, more Lud content is always appreciated

[@abhinavbharadwaj4629]

"I wanna be the MyPillowGuy without the racism but for bidets" 😂😂 oh man ludwig

[@artofwar420]

I got to know Lud through OTV, and I’m glad I did. He’s an entertainment machine!

[@dyvonmilleriii9079]

Love Ludwig and his personality. It’s like he can fit into any puzzle o7

[@abdiibrahim8020]

53:33 this is literally what Sykunno is doing right now…

[@rggiii5089]

It's that time of the week again. Let's go! Mostly excited for the Toast's Shang Chi 2 updates. lol

[@bread8294]

Ludwig and Toast is one of my fav duo, i watch them both alot too, this is a nice little surprise birthday treat

[@filippeo]

37:20 literally Ludwig now

[@paulnelson7685]

Love the new podcast format. I loved the old one but having one host and one guest makes it much more motivating for both parties to speak. I also love toast being the host and instigating with questions considering how comfortable he is with most topics.

[@kunduo]

I absolutely love the idea of a late night Ludwig show

[@ckdprincessondialysis]

I was feeling tired and sleepy in the hospital right now but I saw the new episode felt alive again! thank you! 💛 Love love ToastxLudwig content

[@jspr1te529]

Day 1 of asking Toast to introduce himself as “Disguised Host” in the OTV Podcast

[@leesong9014]

This video has to be the only video I ever see in my KZbin home page that is an hour long and watch the whole thing through. So pleasant to hear these two talking.

[@DB-zm4fc]

LMAOOO "what do you think about platform deals?" HE KNEW

[@alessm2206]

Haven't watched Lud in a bit but I love that every time he is in a conversation, with at least the OTV & friends crew, he is always talking about bidets. When I think of bidets, I think of Lud 😂

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@WanderTheNomad]

Feels so weird to listen to Ludwig for so long without his youtubr/streaming voice on. Now I know what his friends mean on The Yard.

[@jake_steele]

Damn, what a good friend. I love that you were intentional about giving your friends an opportunity to succeed, so they could make money AND get a sense of fulfillment while they do it. That's awesome.

[@muskankataria]

I always thought Ludwig was like Matpat with making content and channels with a lot of analytics backing it up. Constantly thinking about trends and patterns just putting out what viewers would watch and would create buzz

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@MycoseW]

Best podcast so far. Ludwig seems like an easy person to talk to. Smooth talk

[@CokelinGames]

This podcast has aged so well.

[@mikevanschaijk]

Honestly Toast these episodes have been amazing lately thanks for the great content!

[@CalebPoppin]

No Joke the best guest for sure. He goes so well with OTV Podcast

[@sandshrew1]

WOOO BABY THIS IS THE COLLAB WE BEEN WAITING FOR

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@Chachixo]

This was a great episode! Ludwig is such a well of knowledge. As a digital marketing person, I always learn something useful whenever I catch his content and this was no exception. Keep up the good work guys!!

[@mateyo111]

Of course Lud turns this into a business meeting.

[@catey2270]

My two favorite streamers in one podcast. Loved this episode!

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@Astro2Reverist]

I have a road trip so this podcast comes in clutch 🤝 I thank u offline tv

[@stilljessie]

I'm so happy to see both of my favorite content creators in the same podcast! Hopefully Toast joins The Yard for a week too!

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@benashe72]

I feel like these two should create a consistant podcast together if they could find the time, love listening to these two as they play off eachother really well.

[@rovelynocana8818]

Ludwig talks about streamers watching anime: Happens Taost talking about getting banned: Happens 😂😂

[@newzleaf1829]

I really love listening to Ludwig. He has clear logic, it's easy to follow and the way he arrange his words are also really good.

[@cassieweeden2625]

this man is insane, i can’t believe no one realized

[@Holthis]

“Poached all of them… almost” Ludwig saying this knowing full well at this point Nick was leaving BTS for Mogul Moves

[@Skellykrew]

Watching this the day Ludwig switched to KZbin…

[@Inweezy]

Ludwig describing how you can make friends by simply watching him exactly described how I met one of my closest recent friends lmao

[@SliverOfSilverStars]

regarding the question at the end about making friends as an adult: It is super hard, especially to get to that place of close friendship with people like a tight friend group in school or something. But, finding a community where people meet up consistently for planned/semi planned events and meetups really is a great place to start. If you share common interests and are meeting up fairly regularly, i think you can almost always guarantee a few friendly acquaintances that could potentially grow into stronger friendships. But even then, you have to put in work to build them stronger. My recent experience: I redownloaded pokemon go kind of on a whim and was playing it in my local park with a friend when we stumbled upon a group of people of all ages playing during a raid hour. Turns out they meet there almost every game event to catch pokemon together. So now we join them sometimes and I kinda consider them my friends. Plus it's great because if I can't think of anything to talk about, I just talk about pokemon go. Also I did not realize that game still has a pretty strong community. It's really cute to see little groups of people still out there catching pokemon.

[@DestinyYagami]

theres just something about lud's comedy that makes me laugh all the time

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@ryndesu8299]

@@bruhman6685 nobody because it doesn't exist

[@bruhman6685]

@@ryndesu8299 nah that’s cap

[@jhibika]

im super happy ludwig mentioned Melee loved seeing him emerge from our scene

[@xRiizo]

Oh this is going to be a good one! Will be watching this tomorrow with a nice cup of tea for sure!!!

[@stefanrabenstein3753]

To be fair, I hadn't heard about offline tv until this year

[@NathanWendel]

You guys should try to get Simu Liu on the podcast. He does follow Pokimane and would be a stepping stone to Shang-Chi 2 or Awkwafina.

[@itz_me_johnnny7504]

That would fucking amazing if it happened. Hope it does

[@layspotate9104]

Didn’t know he follows her. BOOOST!!

[@poji4781]

just finished today's The Yard ep and come here to this. Good thursday

[@nolangeary3993]

the podcast i been waiting for love you lud

[@brittonwise2203]

I am really enjoying this new podcast format with Toast

[@caerulemusic]

so cool of you guys to have the editor of the reads on the podcast!

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video where he’s racist

[@imannurashidabdrajak5399]

Toast should invite ninja next so he can give the ball that ninja owe him

[@angelzavala2554]

Amazing content, great minds and nice to see miz everywhere his yt bouta blow up

[@cruelkindness5544]

Toast dude this is great for you. I think you should do this til the wheels fall off. Big fan of your stream & channel. Happy for you man!

[@acetheone1401]

this was such a good podcast, nice job host and otv

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@Afropalmen]

First saw Ludvig when he went on Austin! Fun to see him blowing up like this :D

[@koukitea]

First time I finished a whole ass podcast episode, loved it.

[@minhdinh9600]

i loved this episode, it had GREAT FLOW, i watched it 3 times already ;D Ludwig's energy is pretty uplifting as well)

[@cropswastaken]

very good listen as always, thanks for the great podcast! :)

[@sunakshisanwal]

The way they predicted what was gonna happen lmaooo

[@Chowder12345able]

The main reason I watch these is for the updates about Toast being in Shang Chi

[@queenie_101]

I love how long and interesting these podcasts are 🥰

[@pmaac1564]

i love ur mom

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@ProfessorPoliwag]

hey this was a super cool podcast, thanks for doing it everyone!~

[@lucasM005]

this is actually a really insightful conversation about the business side of streaming. i entered the podcast expecting memes and shit and we got some of that but the mayority was just two smart dudes talking about what they do

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@weeaboh]

i didn't realize otv had a podcast until this popped up in my recommended, i have some episodes to catch up on now

[@jrwillie1538]

Thee best combo…Ludwig & Toast podcast would be awesome!

[@chari1707]

My 2 favorite streaming personalities, keep it up boys!

[@littleyon]

Ludwig's monster massive thigh was very distracting on the wide shot

[@Joshuan-cp4lg]

I've waited all week for this c:

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video where he’s racist

[@Joshuan-cp4lg]

@@bruhman6685 What?

[@bruhman6685]

@@Joshuan-cp4lg he said sum bout black streamers I wanna see it

[@geneglow8439]

i'm excited to see the new otv member/s eventually on here! awesome podcasts!

[@fedepereiraa]

Yaaay the time stamps are back!

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@stealinsteelix]

Lol that platform deal question is so relevant now

[@gamergirljrt3059]

I love the arena concept lol I'd totally watch

[@user-xw4mu6nz4t]

53:35 Toast just described Sykkuno

[@daphnav]

take a shot everytime toast says 'got it' LETS GET DRUNK WOOHOO love u toast (from afar, as a fan) :)

[@somethingsomething8773]

Take a shot every time he giggles aswell

[@bruhman6685]

Who got the video of him bein racist

[@daphnav]

@@bruhman6685 girl what

[@matajhagemeijer6122]

the extra detail adding the trademark to toasts shang chi section

[@ArdensGember]

Ludwig and Sykkuno are two streamers who seem to just be connected to most groups of streamers, some of the lobbies and tournaments they put together are just the most random assortment of people. They just both seem easily likeable to a large range of people, for both content creators and also for the Twitch/KZbin audience.

[@nalimmagar6769]

this is only the podcast i watched till the end cuz im a fan of them both