OG vs TUNDRA - CEB vs TOPSON - PGL WALLACHIA S1 DOTA 2

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OG vs TUNDRA - WEU QUALIFIER - PGL WALLACHIA 2024 DOTA 2

[@CssHDmonster]

whitemon is such a solid pos5, repsect

[@gnolihz]

Yes. He's so underated. Some people even said tundra should kick him because he is not star player like the other. I doubt they can find pos 5 as good as he is nowdays

[@13YoJest13]

OG having an Identity crisis with how they play meanwhile Tundra is now playing with the Ti8/Ti9 OG style. Drop everything and bring in the numbers for every fight and be aggressive as all hell off of anything 9Class does, the same way OG did with Jerax.

[@fumlefinger92]

i would do anything to see kuroky, ceb and yuragi on same team

[@AltonTorres]

Og fans can't lose. Whether Topson wins or Ceb its an og win.

[@rac8153]

OG would win more if they get a real drafter and pos 1. Misha and Tomato are NA material

[@nnk9305]

@@rac8153OG was outplayed,…Not outdrafted LMAO, Tundra literally picked a Mid-Void

[@rac8153]

@@nnk9305 TUndra is the better team since they have a real pos 1 and 5. But OG for the last 3 months have shot themself in the foot by drafting garbage mid mirana, doom support or TA 5. This shit has to stop

[@hudanbayu8624]

6:26 as we can see how confident that topson move

[@legnarism]

pugna playing like a centaur hahahah

[@13YoJest13]

I remember N0tail saying they needed a warrior during Ti8. Someone who would keep trying even when they were down, that player was Topson. Now they somehow think targeting him is gonna work 😂

[@Mayrik92]

Exactly, back in old OG they always focus topson and forget other 2 lanes, and og knew topson would always recover no matter how bad his lane phase was. so this new OG fall for their own old strategies. topson its just too good.

[@jackgm6325]

Zai was right. Moon was right. MC was left 😭😂

[@jeromegomora9704]

that jumping on and off the cliff by Topias is absolute savage 😂😂

[@user-hx1ob7sl8o]

Topson and parasma on Pugna is just my kind of dota hehehe

[@flappye]

these topson clown picks suddenly starting to click with the team

[@Mkpp87]

Void mid is op.

[@Mat-xw4ww]

13:06 UK's finest.

[@ryandexter8986]

Spoiler block

[@Kamiks-iz2ln]

Not really useful when the vid is sub 20min long

[@andikaprabowo5257]

go to official site or gameplay lobby if you dont want to get spoiler..block

[@kekhriezhazoliezietsu2176]

We all know who loses😂

[@Mayrik92]

Topson picking void on purpose so the enemy team will focus in ganking him all time while the rest of tundra team have a free farm stage ❤

[@LakadMatatag2702]

Actually, OG didn't focus on Topson at game 2. They just played bad team fight everywhere after they got 3,4k lead.

[@AkiraARTSPACE]

Finally Topson hero pick is back being Topson

[@pizzaman699]

Timado rushing to the enemies like he's got Aegis every time

[@rac8153]

He is playing like the washed up RTZ. This Pos 1 NA/SA experiment is a terrible idea, they managed to find a POS 1 far worse than Yuragi

[@Andres_345]

Kick timado

[@Mkpp87]

He thinks he is Yatoro

[@radith4956]

i know OG arent in that good place with yuragi, but replacing him with timado is even worst

[@yavalio7500]

They got better results with Timado but still not enough

[@ZaddyNatty]

Peruvian carry 🤷‍♂️ if you play in NA you’ll understand that Peruvians are the worst in Dota

[@denisdenis4021]

Pure and Tobi carryed the second game.

[@FatBurner1994]

idk man see like Tobi offlane bring balance to thundra playstyle...MC is good but to make balance teammate need someone less star player egoist...good replace for sure

[@Mayrik92]

he still need to improve tho, he sometimes died for not using split on brewmaster, and sometimes lost kills for not using split too.

[@gnolihz]

But he's still the weakest among all in Tundra. If Tundra can get good offlane player, they are strong contender to win TI for sure

[@noobbuddycantdragmedown2607]

​@@gnolihzlmao got me at the win ti🤣

[@xaxaxaxaax]

Tobi and Pure used to play together in Entity, so they must know how to play with each other

[@MsAAAAAA222]

@@xaxaxaxaax they are lovers big time have poopy butt sex inseparable

[@DingJong]

Pure god

[@helloworld-dh6hq]

Kicked Yuragi for Tomato lol

[@yfrank5919]

this is starting to turn into topson's year

[@gnolihz]

topson read OG like a book

[@Apuy29]

No more tactical pause from OG 🙃

[@lep3984]

Same as before, topson always abandoned and enemy mid have 2 supports and they still lose, when enemy focus on mid instead of theor carry having a good farm then its ez game.

[@Mayrik92]

Thats the strat old OG always used back when topson was in the team, they let topson get ganked because they knew he will recover later 100% so the other offlane and safe lanes are free of ganks, so free farm.

[@rac8153]

Again Tomato showing that he isnt tier 1 material, send him back to SA. Ceb only performing on 2 heroes doesnt help OG either. They need a roster revamp by kicking Misha, Tomato and by getting a real drafter

[@BigFatPandu]

kinda agreed but timado isnt in og just stand in ...i want ceb to coach and get satanic and kidaro for 1 and 5.....for me this game draft are good but got outplayed so hard ....

[@Andres_345]

Kick timado and wisper

[@whizzzy7185]

Just better 😂

[@herzasaputra6762]

og lost that synergy that made the team thrive in the first place

[@13YoJest13]

Tundra is now playing with the Ti8/Ti9 OG style. Drop everything and bring in the numbers for every fight and be aggressive as all hell off of anything 9Class does, the same way OG did with Jerax.

[@thexgamer8240]

In my opinion, here are the best teams in Western Europe right now (according to their performance so far this year): 1. Gaimin 2. Liquid 3. Tundra 4. OG 5. Entity 6. Secret and MOUZ tie

[@miguel70178]

1. Falcons 2. GG ...

[@diditwahyu3511]

​@@miguel70178falcon is mena

[@yudiva2741]

​@@miguel70178he said western Europe, Falcon in MENA

[@nnk9305]

Tundra actually destroyed Liquid on a Major Tournament, although they lost on Qualifiers against Liquid

[@diditwahyu3511]

@@nnk9305 what major turnament do u watch? At dreamleague they met once, but qual liquid raped tundra, 2 games belo 30minutes.

[@gamdanyunizar7849]

Play for fun > Play to win -Nigma grindset

[@yuukiyukinon6282]

man topson is just trolling again on game 2

[@Mayrik92]

hehe you cant hate him if you do, then you hate dota too.

[@thetrashman5258]

both games were pos1 n 5 diff

[@Tauan_Vitor]

Winning or losing. OG ❤

[@saschaharig5298]

the moment, when luna realized who is a real carry XD

[@mesprith]

Yuragi is RIGHT MC LEFT

[@user-dg1wx6kv7b]

OG is really at least at a tiger below these pro teams. Maybe even tier 3

[@Shorter-4eveR]

OG fans will watch true sight TI8 n TI9 again 😂😂😂😂

[@nnk9305]

How’d Tundra pulled off such weird Draft and actually win it with ease? In Game 2 Topson could’ve picked Omniknight against KotL and Gyro with lil’bit Support for Morphling but Topson wants Void and actually destroyed OG’s HC Tundra outplayed OG for sure, even tho they’re outdrafted

[@elemfao500]

Playing against OG thats why

[@Denendd]

Agreed , because OG rn is tier 2 or 3 team , below Falcon BB even spirit liquid and XG , lucky in qualifier GG and Liquid don't participate. You know , same draft , low hero pool , Tundra already knew their strat

[@user-kt2xn1he5f]

mind explaining in which area they outdrafted ? im sure they pick void just to have more crowd control given the fact og have two high ms hero kotl/lycan and omni are not able to fulfilled that role. furthermore topson this is not topson first time playing void mid.

[@nnk9305]

@@Denendd Just so you know Tundra 2-0 Liquid on a Major Tournament, although they lost to them on Qualifiers with an also 2-0 score

[@Mayrik92]

​@@user-kt2xn1he5fyou dont understand, OG won the draft 100% but they did big mistake by using all spells to ganking topson everytime and if you are old og follower you know very well that focusing gank topson its just a trap because the other 2 lanes will be free farm. OG fall for tundra strat once again.

[@eeeeyyyees]

Topson mindfuckd OG on that bottom lane teamfight. holysht

[@MGod27]

Whitemoon so good 🔥

[@stephendsouza5700]

Oh needs miracle

[@kls26rocks]

Pure is unstoppable. MC is crying haha

[@sperglordsama412]

at this rate Tundra chose Pure as captain wasn't wrong..

[@yuukiyukinon6282]

@@sperglordsama412 MC is good with pure he said it already the problem is the additional tundra manager added

[@jackgm6325]

​@@yuukiyukinon6282 But he's lying to public saying Pure stole his captain role, in the reality it was by a team vote. He was so butthurt the vote lean to Pure instead of him, so he drops tantrum in the middle of tournament. He's really fine example of manchild.

[@gnolihz]

​@@yuukiyukinon6282he just overthinking. He already apologized for such behaviour recently

[@lansfate]

Why this feels like wisper has 0 impact in all these games ? And don’t forget old man CEB just playing 2 hero’s

[@xaxaxaxaax]

He doesn't speak english and can't understand what his team wants from him half the time. He also can't call the shots because of language barrier therefore plays too passive

[@LakadMatatag2702]

Misha drafting. That's why

[@mrsquadbot]

Karma never fails to deliver you gotta love it - 7fckinbad

[@japkoryonf4225]

At this point, OG is just nigma v3 😂

[@gnolihz]

Nope. Nigma can even win against rest farmers. OG dominate all WEU teams except tundra and liquid. So tundra and liquid are on higher level

[@tonybonny745]

Nigma is worst. Like dogshit worst 😂

[@raleimusic3719]

Tundra have 2 supoort high mechanic and pure is good

[@lenx3130]

interesting with this Tundra Drafter is carry maybe only this team do this

[@RulliR]

They can do this coz its topson ig, dude barely farm n keep rotating no mater hero he pick, i can see why other team cant do this, coz once the midlaner pick this carry hero, they start to farm jungle or stay on their lane til mid game 😂

[@fujikazuya6943]

@@RulliR yeah imagine playing void mid, not even yasha completed and he roaming around 😂😂 the absolute madman

[@Mayrik92]

only topson stuff. love him ❤

[@Mayrik92]

Tundra so good ❤

[@jontalindub4119]

Ceb is looking like an account buyer as always

[@wtfgadget]

lol basically topson can use any heroes he disired and still dominate

[@nesswrites]

not really. i watched the full game. its coz of topson noise pure was able to shine... so you decide who is what @@inspectormeals5298

[@wtfgadget]

@inspectormeals5298 all those spaces TOpson created allowed Pure to farm and shine later

[@diditwahyu3511]

@@wtfgadget chill dude the enemy is t2 team, watch how liquid destroy tundra dreamleag qual in 2 games all below 25minutes?

[@fikrihaykalamien4887]

@@diditwahyu3511 you know that cause its new offlane right? Remember in dreamleague before tundra destroying liquid 2-0 with mc? We will know after these new offlaner click with this team and rematch against liquid again

[@diditwahyu3511]

@@fikrihaykalamien4887 u sure mc played in that match? 🤣🤣 new offlaners? Pfft sounds like an excuse 🤣🤣

[@BearHugCastalie]

Topson the Playmaker

[@mariocukusic4998]

This topson man...

[@Rizzo01]

topson playing vs OG never imigane that

[@cjgonzales7879]

kicking yuragi for this. yuragi in better team now hahaha

[@rohansea5814]

OG draft is better, Tundra just outplayed them.

[@Andres_345]

OG play 3 vs 5, no off and no hc

[@nnk9305]

seems about right

[@Mayrik92]

exactly, og won draft in 2nd game but they still lost lol

[@LakadMatatag2702]

@@Mayrik92 Yeah, somehow Timado or bzm always die at the start of the teamfight

[@carlossolano6755]

Wisper 4:42min usa bkb con menos de la mitad de hp.😂😂😂

[@cesarminaya8355]

Ammar >>> el sin mar

[@modhkaartheryy9565]

Kotl only good if they have tanky offlaner like centaur,mars or brew..

[@fs9hell]

Why they let topson go after 2 ti win?

[@Mkpp87]

Because Topson is old. You dont perfom your best at old age. Just like every other SPORT. Hes out of his prime.. Young generation will always be more competitive. It just require some time for them to get there (Get used to the team) But old players dont bring new stuff to the game, they react slower and is less competitive.

[@modhkaartheryy9565]

​​@@Mkpp87huh?ceb,kuroky,puppey is old..topson only 26 years old this year😂they are other player in their 30s+

[@Mkpp87]

@@modhkaartheryy9565 Still old. the best players should be 16-25. Thats when they are most competitive and not play for fun. Max confident without making mistakes.

[@modhkaartheryy9565]

@@Mkpp87 u think old players cant be competitive too?u cant compare esport and sport where age matter..esport u play with your mind only unlike sport use mind and body.

[@Mkpp87]

@@modhkaartheryy9565 Reflexes and confident is a part of their mind and body combined. As you grow old you are more aware that there is always someone better than you,. But at young age, you believe that you are the best.. And thats the only thing that makes players engage 1v5 as carry because they know that they are skilled enough to pop their skills/items and see enemies mistakes faster. Well I would even say they can sense when and where enemies would appear most of the time.

[@loadingloading3391]

ceb is a good coach but he needs good players

[@kentokentoi0923]

Tbf, It's really hard to look for a good Pos 5 while Ceb is playing Pos 5 for like what? How many months? From offlane to Support, I still have faith that they can synergize and give us a good game every time, but for now, just better to lower expectations.

[@MsAAAAAA222]

bro they have 2 peruvians and ari is terrible ceb is unironicly their best player

[@kentokentoi0923]

@@MsAAAAAA222 Yeah bro I agree, still I think they haven't found their grove yet as a team but we'll see.

[@xaxaxaxaax]

He is playing pos5 for many months and still has a 3 hero puddle kekw. Clearly Ceb doesn't want to commit to the role, or maybe just too lazy to learn

[@lxdead5585]

@@xaxaxaxaax he should just move to coaching. OG was doing better with Misha as the captain.

[@kentokentoi0923]

@@lxdead5585 Well That's also an option, I don't know why they're pushing for Ceb to play Pos 5, He should swap with Misha.

[@miraclegigachad]

TOPSON god

[@UserWithoutIdentity]

og need new roaster for real

[@karlo.with.a.k281]

Always OG vs Tundra on Upper Bracket Semis and same results

[@Andres_345]

Entity vs Tundra Final

[@nnk9305]

That just say OG and Tundra are one of the Top Teams in WEU along with Liquid and GG

[@ZzTheGtozZ]

Yuragi is right

[@kuuhakunever5262]

Am I muted ?

[@Kamiks-iz2ln]

No

[@ZaddyNatty]

OG has a Peruvian carry, and SA offlane whatdo u expect

[@hamzabinabid6752]

Timado is 2nd tier at best, absolutely no match for a carry like Pure

[@nnk9305]

While Miracle is,… Tier 3

[@jarddog7968]

ah yes, topson with the goofy ahh items and goofy ahh hero

[@winotojoyokusumo6946]

OG (notail era) used to never lose BO5

[@nurzulhafizyacob5118]

Kuroky out Ceb out Puppey out

[@pacson]

wtf is that topson pugna right click build 😭

[@dzk6714]

or faceless void mid radiance lol

[@romelalters8078]

Tobi from shoutcaster to playing along side Tompson destroying OG

[@khashayartk5629]

Godson

[@JamalRebook-kt2rj]

whitemon god

[@Stoic_Cat_]

Kick kuroky

[@IunonaPustilova]

beeeear???

[@mahesafebriansyah7879]

timaDOG

[@ForzaHorizon-wh6km]

nice

[@Andres_345]

Kick timado and wisper, OG needs a HC likePure and a Off Like ATF

[@cdlna]

lol timadog! hahahaha

[@muhammadreza5622]

Everybody blame OGs draft, while topson using weird midlane hero, in game 1 OG draft is far better than thundra

[@alifffdanial]

Those are topson hero since pub game lol

[@seidenstickerj]

Holy shit OG has become a complete joke

[@yoyoniggsniggs6487]

Why do they keep wasting spells on void mid? Its job is literally only baiting and being minor nuissance, he deals no damage. Its been played multiple times now and people keep falling for it like donkeys.

[@LakadMatatag2702]

10:33 Getting 2 kills and pressure mid tower is wasting spell? You tried talking like an expert but you got no point.

[@yoyoniggsniggs6487]

@@LakadMatatag2702 look at the teamfight dumbass not the rotation, topson has been ganked to oblivion and hes basically a support than a core. Focusing him in teamfight than a fucking brewmaster is definitely wasting spells.

[@heavenpiercer5095]

If u pick kotl and gyro in a pro game than its an auto lose

[@user-hx1ob7sl8o]

idk why gyro is still being picked lol

[@Nishaisthebestplayer]

OG draft like shit as usual

[@staneast3737]

PURE > AME

[@tho259]

Anak sekecil bzm berkelahi dengan TOPSON

[@Gajenzask]

og with their shitty draft. Just remove misha, this guy aint shit

[@xaxaxaxaax]

How is that a draft problem if they're losing to mid void? I'm pretty sure if you swap the drafts between the teams OG will still lose miserably

[@hoohsowner697]

Gave away brewmaster two game, and really kotl mid?? I think og is used to playing in pub games

[@Realizado]

kick mimado

[@jdoe3006]

Now cry MC fans

[@emikomina]

OG FANS????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@inspectormeals5298]

Deleted EZ-m

[@AcYeah9294]

ez arcanas

[@nvidia980]

OG's drafter needs to be kicked. Decision-making is awful too. Topson just toying with them

[@nnk9305]

OG has a better Draft both Picks and Bans

[@shina8767]

MC lmao

[@atuakgaming1444]

keep tipping and losin xD

[@adeelshafqat9400]

1st

[@Kaassap]

No offense, ever since tobiwan quit dota commentary has never been the same.

[@haqiyoo]

True in a way but ODpixel and fogged were there to carry the torch. Those two were the only ones in the same tier as tobi

[@DavidPutitdown]

Yea dota lacks sexual harassment now

[@13YoJest13]

Been really enjoying the SVG/Cap duo that’s been around lately.

[@FatBurner1994]

tobiwan not quit dota...but he got cancel by the community because the sexual harassment case...also valve dont want invite him anymore

[@haqiyoo]

@@DavidPutitdown this is such a stupid take. Nobody talking about his cases or in life problems, this is just purely talking about his Dota his commentary skills. Which is still the best this game has ever had. Reading comprehension must be too hard for ya

[@osmancanaydnlogullar7086]

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[@huihuidai9060]

og so low