OG vs VG - TECHIES! - TI9 GROUP FINAL - THE INTERNATIONAL 2019 DOTA 2

[@eternum7056]

Well now I can't support any team but OG. Carry Io, Mid Earth Spirit, Techies. This guys are crazy, love them because of it

[@buenvidanadz1969]

In just 3 days OG somehow found a way to destroy the pubs. Freaking well played

[@sumo1011]

We seriously need to see OG reactions in some these Plays. I bet they are laughing their ass of 😆

[@akashindraji9747]

5:45 jerax techies next level play

[@weebactivitieschannel3167]

Why you all hate OG ? OG is really good team and makes audience smile watching the tournament. Respect

[@WinterSnowism]

Really fun team to watch. They do stupid things, stupid drafts and still win the game like wtf..

[@padoremmiljoy9099]

@@WinterSnowism agree lol like i was laughing so hard with their io pick's against NIP lol ppd must be tilted hard and against VP

[@MrTubeStuck]

Damn, VG just had a taste of 2 flavors of OG. Clowning OG was still scary, but serious OG is something else.

[@htcdedited2425]

U mean troll side and jarakal side?

[@clairedelune681]

OG & VG got not so much to lose. They've been eating this group stage long enough. Wp to both team

[@enigma727]

but og will win this ti

[@18emdy]

still mad on how the hell VG lose to EG 2-0..

[@enigma727]

@@18emdy same way vici lost 2ng game against og

[@therrogue1193]

@@enigma727 they underestimate rtz lifestealer

[@johncarlofrancisco7152]

Game 1 NoTail: Let's have some fun. Game 2 NoTail: I've forgot this is TI not a Pub Game 😂

[@karlmarcial8064]

Hahahhaha yah

[@CypherCM]

This OG pulling out some hillarious shit in the group stages. first io position one. now jerax techies.

[@clinsen8576]

By the way Jerax took some private lessons from the best pub techies called Травоман. You may know him already especially if u watch Cancel (lenny)

[@avaandorgil]

Clinker wtf who cares about that shit. No one asked that

[@clinsen8576]

@@avaandorgil Just in case you didnt know lol, learn to talk garbage

[@avaandorgil]

Clinker stfu

[@Lefahne-23]

@@avaandorgil l get the fuck out of here cancer shit

[@prshendra]

Og always have a good mentality. Despite getting wiped out, stil managed to smile and get over it.

[@dewipuspa4429]

The power of spamming chatwheel

[@DrZaius3141]

@@dewipuspa4429 and flowers. And friendship. Actually, they most certainly went into this first game not caring, because it had absolutely zero impact on the standings. Playing Techies they ensured a fun game for the viewers and themselves and they didn't give away any serious strat. And if it had worked? They'd have another strat people would be afraid of.

[@Fail460]

Why are there so many comments complaining about 360p? It's been common knowledge for as long as youtube has been around that after a video is first uploaded, it may take a little bit before the higher qualities are available.

[@WinterSnowism]

Why are there so many comments complaining about comments complaining about 360p? Why not just letting it go?

[@MT-su2lq]

I did not expected OG so strong. This techi game was a message. They are back, the WILL mess around with the meta and they WILL lose games badly because that. But they also WILL win games because that and other teams will suffer more with the alternative meta. OG proved that already by winning the group stage. We will have alot fun the next days !!

[@MrKamiMasaki]

tbh i never think any of OG members were the top of anything, but 5 of them together is top of the world. such extraordinary teamwork

[@Brucewayne-w1c]

Nope, anna is a super carry beast. Jerax is a super support beast. And ceb, just a very good player.

[@e.nicholasrelevo7805]

@@Brucewayne-w1c Hey Topson is also proving himself to be one of the best too

[@danielfcastro]

Jerax probably was the best player of all time.

[@michaeljohngarcia6432]

This is the 1st time I've been to a video from NFUA with no views Pog

[@eleyc]

All these hate comments on OG's chat wheel spam and playing this match around, not realizing they topped the group stage without sweat and are probably just enjoying themselves this match after a job freaking well done. Loosen up you snowflakes lmao

[@freddy5828]

19:15 play is sick actually. genius draft from crazy Notail and Ceb

[@Heka_Tee]

Yeah that last fight was really well executed. OG countered crono with WW's cold embrace, afterwards Ana gets skewered deeper but guardian angel saves him and finally when they fall back magnus tries to turn tables with RP but he gets instantly cursed and OG wins the fight. They just had so many cards to play. Genius draft and execute.

[@sedd2389]

Ana too strong

[@lirikbagus6495]

@@Heka_Tee Yap. 100% Right. These match like OG meme VG

[@nekopaw8730]

OG lose the game but win the audience hearts

[@faintend1995]

OG make the TI9 more entertainable ! Kudos to them :)

[@ms.chievous3777]

VlitzVitz entertaining

[@zerocentury22]

You got that right - Vergil to Dante

[@milo20060]

Actually one of the reasons I watch it fully :)

[@irisvonpadoru830]

Io carry the last day and now a techies pick. This TI just keeps getting better

[@thekeyboardking2928]

Hahaha OG trolling, even the opposing teams supporters are butthurt coz OG is trolling everyone and is having fun of the game.

[@18emdy]

You can see that they dont care win/lose .. Ana was just diving every tower even if it wass 1 vs. 5

[@post6597]

i mean, OG and VG are guaranteed to get 1st and 2nd place respectively regardless of the outcome so...

[@18emdy]

@@post6597 lol VG was triggered game 1 .. cant even say GG

[@youheihamaji3971]

OG become the face of what a good team should be. Just friends hanging out each other and doing crazy stuff.

[@cheesysushi7148]

OG have nothing to prove anymore, they already have the Aegis. They're clearly playing for fun, even in 2nd game.

[@TheClosen]

Well, except when they're facing EG, obviously. lol

[@DrZaius3141]

@@TheClosen That's why against EG it's always Topson carrying them. He doesn't care as much about the rivalry.

[@aarongacayan3197]

The reason why i love jerax as a meme specialist lol.

[@RonkeliFIN]

17:44 that tiny aghs is so freaking broken right now.

[@bobbytang9924]

Can't belive this broken shit actually got through TI.

[@WinterSnowism]

Osfrog nerfing that shit after TI but for now... let's just ban tony

[@matyankuat]

only broken in archon and lower rank..in legend and above rank tiny agha is ok.

[@badgoodguy2456]

@@matyankuat so this match is legend-archon average bracket? Mr Smart

[@michaelwijaya3643]

3:13 best moment for techies 5:25 too

[@aliOramir3z]

5:25 jaja

[@faydn3150]

I mean the first game was pure meme game lmao

[@thoroughbred1444]

Trust me it's not meme, having techies in ur game is never meme, but the voice lines makes it so.

[@imnormal-sl8mj]

i actually expect this series to be full of meme since it won't change og and vg position at number 1 and 2 at group

[@THEpro1ST]

SHAKER POS 1, IO POS 1, CM CARRY, ES POS 2, TEACHIS PICK ,ALLIANCE FISHING COMPETITION, TI9 is meme event

[@anirudhchaudhary6294]

Whatever the og haters say But this team is such good team they are enjoying the game to the fullest and destroying others at the same time

[@coihonorio1131]

as a fellow techies player, cayinator and robotvice would be proud of that ultrakill

[@nightyonetwothree]

what is cayinator and robotvice?

[@erichammer8434]

@@nightyonetwothree cay is a awesome Techies player, funny as hell really good channel.

[@hung2900]

VG in game 1 had horrible synergies. (Orge) Goblin Human Elemental(Primordial) Elf(Elusive) Undead(Heartless) Warlock Mage Warrior Hunter Knight

[@backspacc]

It feels like the first game was OG trying out a strat they have been attempting in pubs haha

[@upth3punks]

Tiny is about to get mega nerfed next patch lmao

[@insanandabekov240]

His aghanims skill has so short cooldown

[@ontamusike4418]

yeah his new skill agh coldown so fast and hurt

[@johnjohnjohn1001]

empower cleave caused it too be op too

[@OxyParadox]

@@insanandabekov240 When the tree is not exist, the cooldown is tree growth time but for some trick we can go treant talent strat

[@CL-jq1xs]

he isn't even the top 10 most contested hero...... no team even bother to ban him and he has 51% winrate. Maybe... just maybe it isn't as good as you think. Meanwhile gyro has 62% winrate and is among the top 10 most contested hero. He was especially good this game because of magnus....

[@omgtrollss]

did anyone notice about TI9 upperbracket look like TI8 upperbracket? will OG win agn this year?!? Secret vs EG OG vs Newbee ( VGJ.Strom ) PSG.LSG vs VP

[@takeajamtomakeyouthink9447]

it was forward gaming for newbee...not vgj

[@lokitaeyeon]

Yes they will win again

[@Raaa8080]

@@takeajamtomakeyouthink9447 it had 3 out of the 5 newbee members and it was named vgj storm

[@cheeto9359]

Ahmad Akram It went from VG.J > Forward Gaming > Newbee

[@zeeeroo6032]

tnc gonna kill lgd promise

[@Pixelbane]

Every hero is going to be picked

[@lhantful]

we all know this og can 2-0 this vg. they were memeing 1st game

[@raccoonsproj3508]

ana is crazy dude

[@TheSAWR]

When you playing game with your little brother and give him handicap, then he ask you to get serious for once on the next match.

[@garyhahaha5380]

lol if they lose they lose... stoping giving excuses loser

[@YouRk0ed11]

They techies because they have no chance of not being in upper bracket , this set of games made no difference if they won or loss , they were obviously not trying as hard

[@DrZaius3141]

@@garyhahaha5380 Do you honestly think that they would have picked Techies if the game had any impact on them (or VG for that matter)? It wasn't even a good Techies game, but they made a decision to turn a game that didn't matter into something that was fun for everyone watching and everyone playing.

[@garyhahaha5380]

@@DrZaius3141 so what? I didn't even care who lose either, I don't think VG cares also. Be it's the analogy in the comment that i think it's stupid. VG has got two major champion this year already. and just because it's a chinese team yall gonna say it's handicap

[@keepplaying4289]

Pay attention to 4:55 if notail not turning back, CM will enter the mine range, its gonna be rampage for Jerax,

[@keepplaying4289]

@HYPERGACHI if he dies, He dies..

[@archie_guitar]

5:28 wtf

[@DinhDo90]

this is the first time I watch hightlight and laugh so hard lol

[@ellenbekar2334]

Jerax is indeed the savior of og

[@jomartcanlas6917]

OG trolling at its finest

[@skadooosssh]

Classic jerax fucking love this guy

[@hofzeth6649]

"All six of them"

[@lynxlynx8191]

Where is OG hater now? It is so few right now.. I miss the comment, "Og flUkE tI WiNNer"

[@TheClosen]

Og flUkE tI WiNNer There you go, I said it!

[@shahkrish]

OG fluke TI winner, this winnings are also flukes

[@YumiYumY]

@@shahkrish keep crying delusional dipshits :D

[@hongsethya4932]

TI9 UB is the rematch of TI8 UB but i still hope LGD VS OG again PogChamp

[@oriaphyn]

OG already qualified so they treated these games as public matchmaking. Still manages to dominate VG in game 2.

[@cayosantana6237]

1 - Both OG and VC already had their positions in the group stage determined. 2 - "Dominate"? VG were sure to win the match if it were not for Paparazi's stupidity. Even the casters said when the game ended that VC should have won. OG fans are the new cancer like Liquid fans were cancer in 2017.

[@EmKunWeebGaming]

@@cayosantana6237 But the fact is that no matter how you hated OG and its fans , OG wins 6 matches and 2 Draws, 0 Lose . Keep hatin bruh

[@rioruauw2151]

@@cayosantana6237 just watch og you gonna relaxing techies techies

[@DrZaius3141]

@@cayosantana6237 Yeah, they PLAYED like it matters - because that's just what you do when you're a pro. But they definitely didn't draft like it mattered - that Techies was countered so hard, but they had fun with it. And no matter how much you hate OG, you can't deny that they had the best record of the group stages (that meme game was one of 2 losses in 16 games) and came to TI at least one step ahead of what everyone else thinks the meta is. Just like when EG won TI and everyone had to ban - ironically - Techies, teams will have to start banning that Ana Io. And if you have to ban Io, something else gets through.

[@lontongbalapfc]

@cayo santana wow paparazy stupidy ??? Your mmr must be at least 10k

[@Free-4554]

Og, always in for them meme strats

[@japanesedenim1099]

faceless void - you will regret the moment you was born! wyvern : am i joke to you? :smokes:

[@mckenziejohan4149]

OG having fun. coz win or lose they still surely go main stage

[@justkeepingitill]

The thing is they are trolling Chinese players, if it's NA its fine. But it's China man, whom we knew as maybe or the best region of Dota players. Lmao

[@onyxblack1167]

EU is the best region.

[@arishsiddiqui3292]

Mad respect to OG for picking techies just for fun. That second game though, void got counter picked into oblivion. OG would have won that second game even if they didnt want to.

[@ilmanaizad6204]

Notail comeback genius than ever

[@OxyParadox]

FUNNIEST TI OF MY LIFE

[@alg3572]

"Everything can work" maybe just real right now-_- if mirana arrow doesnt land on topson and ana maybe they can win game 1

[@carldimayuga6419]

Even against the hardest opponents OG still went 1-1. Jesus.

[@mintoure4]

og is the hardest team in this ti9. vici comes 2nd maybe

[@padoremmiljoy9099]

Hahaha they went 1-1 cause they went techies first game 😂😂😂 idk lol if they are playing seriously or trolling 😆😆

[@californiahasfallen5020]

2-0 for OG if play seriously

[@negan8491]

And Lulroky also trying to experiment like picking ES carry and kunka pos 5, hope their fans thinking 'Ahh its magic'

[@bjs4166]

isnt es carry make their win the game tho?

[@siddhantpriyadarshi3738]

They are in the finals with 9-0 in the main stage. Salty enough? 😂

[@bjs4166]

@@siddhantpriyadarshi3738 its ok bro, we just need focus to support them

[@thoroughbred1444]

Y paparazzi didn't even try to crono others besides gyro which he will never be able to kill if others r not in crono as well.

[@granma_dota]

Yup, especially with Omni around, he's void is still good btw in early gameplay but somehow he fucked up in mid game due to tilt from og I guess

[@harazz505]

Pro players are very good at positioning themselves. If you see the gameplay, og always put ana infront while the others stay at the back waiting for a counter attack. Wyvern was sitting behind the trees making void difficult to have a good chronos since its heavily countered by cold embrace

[@thoroughbred1444]

@Sohan Biswas dude exactly, as if paparazzi is some ancient player lmfao.

[@thoroughbred1444]

@@harazz505 bro u r talking like vicis lost is inevitable.

[@JohnsyOmniscient]

@Sohan Biswas Both teams aren't playing seriously cause the outcome wont change anything anyway.

[@matias371]

4:55 Jerax ultrakill and not a simple smile on VG... Common, this series didn't define anything, just play for fun... 10:20 the only reaction. Attitude in VG is so child

[@namenotfound3613]

Different country, different cultures, different way to react to something. Chinese are very strict when it comes to things like this they not gonna play around picking shit heroes just to have fun, they are playing to win. You can shut up if you don't understand things.

[@corniel657]

this is the final match of the group stage, and both are leading teams on their respective group so they already secured the upper bracket entrance, no point on playing too seriously, they're saving up energy for the main event

[@ANTIESOUL]

because vg muted og players, they dont even hear the chat wheels

[@cinnamonesurena4497]

@@ANTIESOUL i believe u cant mute chat wheel so

[@Luxwindd]

James Esureña you can.

[@raka1996]

Techies wiping out in pro scene... FeelsWeirdMan

[@xiangdongzheng5806]

I just want to see OG vs Secret

[@GAGA-gj5xt]

techies confirm babe.. unpredictable draft from og.. megumin approve

[@vizard316]

OG embrass this competition and still won, shows how awful other teams were

[@POCARIstream]

Noob players say: ana like miracle!! No bro.. ana is ana, miracle is miracle.. BE YOURSELF by Audioslave!!

[@rexd1624]

Stfu kid. Grow up.

[@alekzcruz1821]

Normie

[@LengkengKoala]

Damn.. VG so tryhard vs meme strats

[@thoroughbred1444]

It's not like meme draft r weak and they r still losing to it. For instance, secret won against tnc with meme draft but wen they drafted some serious combo they lost.

[@alazhar8676]

Teachies on TI is just for fun😂😂😂

[@thjoshibantasingh7323]

3:00 🤯

[@kom-vid-pop1598]

5:27 OMG. Guysss jerax techies And ana io This Ti???

[@alaa341g]

Yeah midone jakiro and pudge and yapzor inboker LoL

[@DrZaius3141]

Topson mid Earth Spirit as well...

[@IvanWLMF]

What u problem with infamous games ?

[@manuelalbinagorta5458]

Iva Spy low skill

[@IvanWLMF]

@@manuelalbinagorta5458 watch games with eg vici navi . Low fnatic rng nip

[@cristofervieri6169]

Because they sux(?

[@yhoelhuacremedina8027]

Por ser tóxicos de mrd

[@mintoure4]

typical another ogs unorthodox playstyle. They are in thier original form right like ti8.

[@doflamingo7953]

Paparazzi is throwing

[@cho11150]

TI 9 so fun to watch

[@JohnSmith-tz7iy]

JERAX IS STILL THE GOD

[@anroiduser1222]

John Smith overrated bullshit.

[@solomonthegreat290]

@@anroiduser1222 Firsr Support 4 to get back2back TI

[@badgoodguy2456]

Ana with the crazy diving with gyro in game 2

[@BKD1308]

I like how vg is played game 1, but in game 2 voud everytime tried kill ana with chrono, while og have winter its impossible dude

[@MikeMessiah]

they were completely outdrafted. VG lost the game since the drafting

[@matthewjalando-on740]

They just play it for fun. Look at their picks. They're trolling

[@miakhalifa5275]

OG fans logic: when they win the game with an unusual draft: OG best team ever. when they lose a game with an un unusual draft: OG's just trolling.

[@rockon3470]

@@miakhalifa5275 im not a fan or anything, but they secured the upper bracket and have nothing to lose that match. I kinda disagree with the word "trolling"tho. I'd prefer experimenting

[@ranggamndl]

Experimenting new strat, not trolling, this is why OG and OG's fans have so many haters, super arrogant.

[@anggafestiyan9621]

@@miakhalifa5275 grow up , they just play for fun because they have chemistry with eachothers and alrdy secured upperbracket , IO carry EarthSpirit Midlane techies etc they got upperbracket so doing some troll or maybe experimenting doesnt mean anything

[@aeyvan]

@@miakhalifa5275 Two TIs now, keep crying

[@sieghart7889]

vici are so small and bitter. they did not say GG in game1.

[@Raaa8080]

chinese in lgd also don't say gg, just xnova, he is not chinese

[@wingsgamingfans5850]

Thats the cost of greatness, arrogance

[@rrralpop157]

i think they've just muted all of OGs xD and xNova is a Malaysia born Chinese

[@wingsgamingfans5850]

But maybe theyre pissed too that Og kept tipping and chat wheel spamming, Btw wyvern omni absolutely outdrafted void

[@anwarsadikin7354]

They are not salty they mute OG coz the chat wheel is annoying u might notice this if u saw true sight TI8

[@valeyellow3381]

That ana gyro🔥

[@supercritic100]

Jerax so fking on point with Techies a and Wyvern. The chrono is basically useless.

[@jankevinlagunero840]

Jerax is god in positioning . every move are calculated , his Game IQ is so fvcking high . i think jerax is better than kuroky now , in terms of positioning .

[@anggafestiyan9621]

@@jankevinlagunero840 ya absolutly , Kuroky maybe best for being drafting strategy but jerax way better in positioning , watch carefully about his playstyle its legit . carry are being useless if the support was suck just look at rtz he was gooddamn good being carry in his team but the support not good as OG had and they have no chemistry as OG teammate

[@freljordashe878]

What now liquid fangay sorry wrong video

[@jaeminjo8798]

what was that quarrel at the start?? who'd say those things while casting a game? someone please tell me that was them just messing around

[@darkwizard5970]

The 3rd caster was a pro player (Matumbaman, I think) they're just saying it's fine if he screws up as he's not a professional caster

[@NinoQian_Official]

Lol vg. If they win war they chat ding ding ding. If not they silent🤣

[@mohdnasrul2658]

All player and team does it, OG does it too...haha wtf with u man

[@drn5985]

@@mohdnasrul2658 Well OG (and maybe TNC?) also did it when they lost fight or exchange lol

[@CL-jq1xs]

did you watch the game? didn't OG do that too? both team are having fun doing it but you got butthurt instead....

[@NinoQian_Official]

Og spam funny chat. Not a bad word like vg do. Vg always ding ding ding.

[@DrZaius3141]

Almost all teams: spam wheels when winning. OG: spam wheels when winning. Spam wheels when losing. Spam wheels when happy. Spam wheels when sad. Actually... they're never sad, because they spam the wheels.

[@ui_goku9439]

they let VG win I thought..

[@Dakiller1243]

The upper bracket was already secured before this match

[@monkeydog8681]

Fan service

[@narisgollinton3399]

50%dogson 50%godson

[@paramicelia3967]

Bruce Wayne XD

[@DrZaius3141]

All by design. When OG drafts, they make a decision about whether they want Ana to get all the space and farm and need Topson to take a hit, whether they'll both be in a good spot or whether Topson will carry. Most of it has to do with who the opponent bans against. It was just like that in TI8 - they ban PL and Spectre, Topson does it all by himself. They ban Invoker and MK and suddenly Ana gets the pick of the litter.

[@guillermorodriguez3234]

Jajajaja batman

[@Devin2292]

Topson is like fiftEE fiftEE but like, actually good

[@Henryguitar95]

My god KZbin comments are full of 2k mmr herald players thinking they know anything about the game or the pro scene... go back to playing pubs and only talk when you have at least half the mmr of any of these pros

[@sycamore2656]

I have 7.9 k mmr, can I talk about them?

[@Henryguitar95]

Sycamore yes of course you can you don’t have to be that high ranked to talk about pros. It’s just very obvious when people call TI players and winners bad and say things such as “I could play better than that”

[@sycamore2656]

@@Henryguitar95 Yea ppl here are unforgiving, even tho "noob mistakes" can happen to everyone in every rank. But also, for TI players, it is unbelievable how sometimes their drafting and strategies are mindnumingly bad. Especially cuz you know they are better than that, but you know what I'm waiting for the main event. I hope they are hiding smth in their sleeves

[@keno292]

@@sycamore2656 cool kid

[@agnorax]

LOL gatekeeping, no one can talk!

[@iephoang7144]

7:11 good tech

[@josemanuelpalacios3536]

You upload evety single brazilian team game but never Infamous games

[@oOTSXSTOo]

Jose Manuel Palacios who the fuck is infamous?

[@1am2strong4you]

TpaBoMaH gave lessons to JerAx, now he is very proud about him

[@mohannice5404]

Why so fast

[@thedwarfintheflask7414]

por que no suben partidas de infamous? :c

[@EdgarTheOgre]

porque son mierda y mal educados, pausando los games y abandonando sin decir GG

[@josegabrielsuarezortega3420]

@@EdgarTheOgre exacto

[@DrZaius3141]

Dudes, honestly: don't infight within your region, that's just not the way to go. Find yourself another region to hate (like NA, everyone hates NA) and root for SA to collectively get better. Every SA win means that other SA teams will have it easier to get spots in the future.

[@mashpotato255]

Og's just playing around

[@DailyInChina]

Is their way how to play, enjoy and have fun, specially when they are already in UB.

[@kmt1838]

When they play so good in this TI even the techies game

[@y4coofficial123]

og doesnt even give a fuck. they know they can comeback easily. game 2 easy win :D

[@donniebrasco881]

Lol OG playing for fun and VG pick meta heroes)))

[@ELscid]

playing meta heroes is fun

[@donniebrasco881]

@@ELscid nope

[@anonymouswatcher6905]

I guess your an OG fangay?

[@donniebrasco881]

@@anonymouswatcher6905 so i guess you gayhater?

[@akinommonika472]

Memes>meta lmao

[@Pummba74]

Yay, Techies game, awesome

[@nateriver5470]

OG trolling at game 1. LMAO

[@Philson]

LOL. What a hilarious game 1. OG not even taking this too seriously.

[@alaa341g]

Nobody is taking this seriously . this gams wouldn't change anything cuz og was already first

[@anonymouswatcher6905]

Both of them not taking this seriously WTF generic OG fangays

[@wisnudi9]

OG alerdy secured upper bracket. They dont need tryhard anymorw

[@DrZaius3141]

@@anonymouswatcher6905 Obviously both teams played seriously, but in game 1 OG didn't draft seriously. Also, good job on being a homophobe in 2019, isn't it emberrassing to be so far behind the times?

[@the.ponderer]

Last combat, perfect execution

[@bessiejane3950]

Notail is way smarter than kuro as of the moment