OGL Fiasco Two Years Later - Lazy RPG Talk Show

[@gingercoleslaw615]

I think if the company’s chaos can result in the Pinkertons being sent to someone’s house then the company is bad.

[@ken.droid-the-unique]

The whole Pinkertons thing , for me, means that Mike's constant assurance that "once you buy the books, they can't take them back; they're yours" is probably true...but maybe not.

[@thebuda01]

Appreciate the even handed discussion on wizards and the chaos they seem to bring to the community.

[@sugestedmoore5221]

I'm going to run Castle Ravenloft using Shadowdark at Kubla Con this spring. Thank you for your video.

[@kumithebear]

I love your positivity Mike, and it is important not to let a single company dictate your fun. However, I think we should "Let Go, but Never Forget". If a popular Bakery was poised to "end all bread" (or take a slice of), they wouldn't be congratulated for pivoting to hand out free bread rolls when forced to stop. Its important to Let go (for mental health), but also very fair to hold that grudge.

[@SlyFlourish]

I’m totally calm, dude. Calmer than you are. - Walter, Big Lebowski

[@kathycarpenter4985]

Holy cow, Mike! You've only been doing the Talk Show since November 28, 2020?!?!? You've put out much more content and advice in four years than "normal" people put out in ten! Thank you for all the help and encouragement.

[@stewi009]

Tasha's Cauldron of Getting Baked

[@ChazzKaskes]

Always great stuff. Watch pretty much every video for those little nuggets. As a 15 year dm, it's so good to learn from those more wise.

[@philippemarcil2004]

Following the OGL debacle, they were supposed to release all of the older D&D ruleset in creative common (1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th) but that haven't happen yet. Hasbro CEO keep on talking about AI. There still no news on the 2024 ruleset - is there going to be another OLG or go to creative common as initially promised. We cannot trust Hasbro, especially it leadership, because they actually don't care about D&D or the community.

[@dplonker6140]

Devil's advocate (and they are the bloody devil), they have announced when the 2024 ruleset will be going into creative commons. It should happen soon after the new Monster Manual is released. Also, I think they're working on putting 3.5e in the commons? I'd have to check.

[@kumithebear]

Homebrewing Character Buffs: As a Shadowdark GM, I've had great success playtesting whole new systems via consumable items. Such as Medicinal supplies that cost a slot to carry, and when consumed allow up to 6 crawlers a chance to spend HD (basically a short rest). Items are a great way to test, or introduce stuff that may be sketchy, as long as the player understands that the "in lore" supply may dry up if it has a poor impact on game play.

[@gedece]

I find real joy in seeing the development experimented in each of the games that started as a reaction to the OGL, and two years later are beginning to be more solid.

[@kitschenkel4155]

Thanks for the video, always appreciate the content.

[@evannewell7985]

I probably played 10 new games as a result of the OGL drama. Still playing 5e but not bothering to update. When we start a new campaign it will be A5e or another alternative.

[@ErayTarrell]

Loving Shadow of the Weird Wizard. Rules are so clear and soooo many options.

[@dukejaywalker5858]

@@ErayTarrell Thanks for the recommendation... I'll check it out

[@cdfreester]

You hit the nail on the head, Mike. In retail, the 3 most important things are location, location, location. But in everything else in life, it's communication, communication, communication. No one at WotC is commanding the ship; it's total chaos with the right hands and left hands not knowing what each other is doing.

[@billygnosis8820]

the great thing about Starfinder 2e is that it uses the same rules as Pathfinder 2e. So, mashing the two games together is easy enough. I'm gearing up to run a post-apocalyptic sci-fantasy game a la Thundarr or Dying Earth using the Star/Pathfinder rules and options.

[@madjarov42]

Tasha's Caustic Vape of Many Puffs

[@loki.odinson]

I'm still boycotting WotC over this. They burned all their customer trust with me over this and I refuse to forgive them. They're not sorry about what they did. They're just sorry there was so much backlash from the gaming community. They are undeserving of pity, only our scorn.

[@dukejaywalker5858]

my thoughts exactly. They don't care about us though, they're counting on winning over a new generation of younger players. They don't understand that it's always the previous generation of players that introduces the game to the younger players. What game do they think I'm going to run for my nephews now?

[@louisgarcia2415]

Happy new year! Always good to see a new video

[@maxducoudray]

I wouldn’t say Dolmenwood is fairy tale. It’s more like folklore. I know those terms are arguably synonymous, but in modern English, the term “fairy tale” has a Disney-like connotation. Dolmenwood has a traditional old British Isles feel. It’s weird and dangerous.

[@YawdroGaming]

41:15 "You're gonna find yourself flat-footed during your game, sometime." Or, all the time depending on your players! Those are some of my favorite times when I'm DMing though. I have learned to enjoy when my players throw me for a loop because it tickles my brain and makes me think quick and make decisions on the fly. Definitely more panic-inducing when I was first starting out! Also, if Matt Mercer is improvising half of his NPCs, I feel like we're in good company.

[@StephenDukenski]

I agree about Dolmenwood-I want it in my hands! I’m soft-launching a Dolmenwood campaign this weekend with a one-shot, and hope the books are hands by the time we get going in earnest. 🤞

[@ajooser]

D&D character branded vapes killed me. Happy New Year

[@MarkerJones]

I am so here for the 13th Age love!!

[@PichulRixth]

Tasha’s Vapes - patent pending

[@aurygos]

Legend in the Mist is PbtA 2d6 with FATE aspects (0 actual stats). Depending on your preference, that will either sound incredibly amazing or extremely avoidable.

[@sugestedmoore5221]

They did me a favor. I played D&D for forty years. Since the OGL stuff I've been enjoying other systems very much.

[@bravghede]

The OGL thing is why I’ve just not engaged with 5.5 at all. The well was poisoned.

[@CecilQuetzalcoatl]

Let go

[@parttimed.m.1111]

​@CecilQuetzalcoatl not worth it. I don't like what wotc has done, I don't like the product or it's direction.

[@maxducoudray]

D&D from 3rd edition onward is just bad anyway.

[@TheRealKLT]

@@CecilQuetzalcoatl Keep licking Hasbro's boots

[@SacchieILU]

​@@CecilQuetzalcoatl hard to back a company when you know this is a real possibility in the future. Especially if hasbro is acquired

[@LeonardHarris]

The OGL scandal got me playing other games. It got a lot of dungeontubers talking about other games. I think it was the beginning of the end of D&D.

[@duncandomey8199]

Excellent question! Improv and on the fly are hard for many!

[@superpheemy]

Miscommunication and Chaos has been a part of the TTRPG industry since D&D was *first published*. This has always been the case and it will continue to be the case because the corporate side of D&D is no longer a game, but it's a *franchise* and the "brand" is being administered by dozens of executive branches. But, remember that "Dungeons and Dragons" belongs to us, the community that plays and engages with the hobby. Don't like a rule? change it. Don't like a campaign? don't use it. Want a new monster, new character, new adventure? make it. Share it. Play it with your friends and your community. Dungeons and Dragons is a community property now. No corporation can put that genie back in the bottle.

[@SlyFlourish]

well said!

[@kdonv]

The fact that WotC survived this fiasco still fascinates me...

[@lachrymalquietus]

I ran the Discworld Quickstart adventure with my group, and we had a lot of fun! The closest system I can compare it to is FATE with its use of Aspects and being very narrative-focused *(happy to be corrected)*

[@tmcmurdo826]

Certainly can’t knock the marketing person for Legend in the Mist for doing a good job. Have to wonder why the others were not as effective at basic communications.

[@kylestark1800]

I like to get the NPC script for any improvised characters. Plenty are based on characters in all different media and people I've met in life but I just list a little description, personality and some motivation. Nothing more than a paragraph worth of info or enough to fit on an index card.

[@ivancarabano]

I have exactly the same doubts with "Draw steel". I want to like this game, but I'm afraid the tactical aspect and the grid are not for me.

[@TheEclecticGoat]

This is a mind boggling take on the gambling situation. “Don’t worry about it, just don’t let it affect your fun.” Global Gaming has specifically stated they are seeking younger gamblers. Up to 20 million people are already addicted to gambling and now WotC is allowing GG to use the game I once loved as a gambling Joe Camel.

[@TheEclecticGoat]

On the other hand, I really like your take on the creation of new gaming IPs. My goal with my channel is specifically to talk to creators and players of games I’ve never heard of in the hopes of encouraging more of that kind of development

[@SlyFlourish]

My point is that we shouldn't expect WOTC to do what's right here. That's not their charge.

[@darjr]

5th edition itself is due to the chaos.

[@Cremspren]

Average price for Cosmere is the same as any other system, about $50-$60 per book. They just happen to be grouping everything together in great bundles. All you need is one book at $60 to play the Stormlight rules.

[@matthewtopping]

So many incredible passion projects by exceptional game designers have come out in the last couple of years and are coming out now. When you look at the quality of books like Dolmenwood, Shadowdark, Flee Mortals or Shadow of the Weird Wizard it depresses me a bit that rubbish like Candela Obscura gets as much attention.

[@samdoorley6101]

Regarding RPGs built on other peoples IP, you and I are going to have to respectfully disagree Mike. I feel Call of Cthulhu is one the best RPGs out there, period. CoC is the high water mark mark for horror RPGs, and I'll die on that hill.

[@Heritage367]

While agree with your statement, I would say CoC is probably the one IP-based game that the fewest number of people have actually gone and read the source material. Chaosium has done an excellent job of separating the ideas of the Cthulhu mythos from the problematic nature of their creator, and have succeeded because of that. Whereas with the vast majority of IP-based rpgs, most players will probably come with an extensive knowledge of the universes that they are emulating, and will be looking to recreate that experience.

[@samdoorley6101]

@@Heritage367 I mean, yeah not a lot of people read HP Lovecraft these days. But it's not about the players knowledge/expectations. I was rebutting Mike's comment regarding how he had never encountered a good RPG based one someone else's IP. On a side note, I also feel that Modiphius' Blade Runner RPG is outstanding as well.

[@Grumpypapa-DM7]

Once again, nailed it....WoTC- With out The Communication...

[@lonic123]

Thanks

[@majestyc0359]

Next up: D&D Immortal.

[@couchcommander5280]

"Don't you guys have DND beyond on your phones?"

[@samsampier7147]

@@couchcommander5280Wizards of Activision-Blizzard Microsoft.

[@dylanwatts1045]

The Cosmere rpg has one-click playtest rules (at least I think it's one click). I took a quick look at it, and it looks pretty interesting. Standard d20 roll-over mechanics, but the abilities are named differently; it seems to take more inspiration from Pathfinder 2e than 5e, with combatants having a certain number of action points per round; there's some sort of narrative mechanic that I haven't looked into too heavily yet. But the one mechanic I /really/ like and have started using at my own table is the injury mechanic, where rather than death saves when you reach 0 HP, you are taken out of the battle and roll on a couple of tables to determine the Severity and type of wound you got. I wasn't too interested in the game itself, but I backed the world books on the kickstarter, and I'm excited about those

[@FattyMcFox]

"Let go." If people had a 'let go' mentality, then they never would have released the 5.1 SRD into creative commons. They did that because people raised such a stink that it was the only way to placate the people who got mad. They did it so the 3rd party publishers wouldn't walk, because lots of players would have gone with them, because the fan base was largely on the 3PP side. Big things like the Mass unsubbing and the OpenD&D movements are the reason we have a 5.1 SRD in CC.

[@DahVoozel]

Mordenkainen's Marvelous Crypto Coin.

[@BrentRogers5]

Remember them promising more rules to be released to OGL/open source?

[@tomm2258]

$7k for a pinball game is on the lower end for a new one.

[@richardrdotson]

Wouldn’t it be great if we all came together and made a company that wasn’t chaotic and made even good, that make the best ttrpg?

[@verityverri6506]

As someone who studied piracy and still follows the scene closely, one small correction that you might find interesting: the bootleg was not sold, it was made free. And usually, from an insider perspective, the sale of pirated books is abundantly rare. People weirdly enough put a ton of time and money into piracy and then just distribute for free. Not going into the morality of it, too deep and messy for a comment section. Just bringing an interesting perspective of something I've researched quite a bit.

[@patrickgaron1728]

Just checked Legend in the mist. never heard about them. And nicely explained why they got no1. If Dolmenwood would have been a live kickstarter at the time of your survey, chances are that they would have been no1.

[@vintagezebra5527]

Is Tasha’s Vapes > Teo’s D&D bologna?!

[@TheRealKLT]

Man, that first tip for the inexperienced DM was rough for me because his problem is certainly his inexperience, but not in how that connects to the Lazy GM advice. I couldn't help but thinking, "Stop trying to balance encounters. Problem solved. Stop having NPCs deliver monologues of exposition. Problem solved." You're going to struggle to do that by any means, with any level of experience. It's not a television show. That's really what inexperienced DMs need to internalize: This isn't a TV show, or a theater performance, and you're not performing a script. Create situations, let the players work through them, repeat.

[@benH215]

Mike: IDK if this is the right place to ask or if you've answered it before but the part of the 8 steps that is hard for me to use is the Secrets and Clues because in your book you say that the secrets and clues don't become real unless the players discover them. How can that work? Seems like if I'm creating facts about the world for the party to discover, how can those facts be contingent on if they are discovered? Makes it harder to have a "living world" in my mind that exists and continues to change regardless of if the players interact with it. Would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks

[@SlyFlourish]

secrets are part of the fuzzy world that hasn't yet formed at the table. So if you haven't yet revealed a secret and the world turns out to go a different way, that secret may no longer be true.

[@benH215]

@@SlyFlourish Thanks for the response Mike! So in your games you might have some secrets and clues that are "fuzzy" and go away if not encountered, and some that are more concrete? Must be the way my mind works but creating secrets are hard enough, but creating ones that are fuzzy is almost like writing an NPC / situation twice!

[@SlinkyTWF]

Here's a post to help feed the algorithm. Cheers.

[@seancornish8990]

I want to brag about my predictive ability, now bear with me because I wasn't actually 100% correct. I have a lot of lawyer friends and I like talking law so I was vaguely aware of how the copyright stuff already worked. I was like, wizards don't have as much protection of these rules then they think they do like someone would reword the whole system and then there is no need for any of their stuff. *And you can say 5e or D&D compatible. So I knew they had very little legs to stand on as is. I said to multiple friends, the only way they fix this is release it into creative commons. I was slightly hopeful but I fell short of expecting it. Anyway thank you for indulging the bragging if you read this, I felt so cool back then when they actually did what I thought was their best move in the bad scenario.

[@dukejaywalker5858]

WotC aren't worried about us; they're counting on winning over a new generation of younger players. They don't seem to understand that it's always the previous generation that introduces the game to the younger players. What game do they think I'm going to run for my nephews now?

[@epee11c]

You can get the cosmere book for $50? Sure, lots of people bought extra goodies and there's setting books and the like you can get but it's not like you had to pay $300 to get the game.

[@vonether]

I posit the lack of a clear voice/chaos is how they've changed CEOs every three years or so. It seems Hasbro used WotC as a V.P. stepping stone or perhaps that's part of the culture at that level? I do think there is an internal faction that keeps trying to hammer a D&D peg into a video game hole and keeps biding their time to slide something by us.

[@tomgartin]

🎲 🎉

[@davidsmontgomery]

Thank you Mike for being a voice of reason and calm.

[@mooxim]

Oh no. You said Draw Steel is built off the bones of 4e. You can get banned from their livestreams for chatter like that. They've been quite adamant amount designing from the ground up from first principles. It'll probably be reminiscent of 4e as a more tactics focused TTRPG but "built off the bones isn't really accurate and could ruffle feathers.

[@Illvillainy]

13th Age is very much a heartbreaker for me, feels too... apologetic? about its 4E inspired parts. And yet, the aesthetic and tone of Draw Steel! feels off to me. Never satisfied it seems. I hope that they manage to keep the combat well-paced. Think Dolmenwood is what I'm most interested out of these but am also curious about how well the fairy vibes work out in practice. New to the channel, hope the new year is treating you kindly!

[@samdouglas32]

Dolmenwood is really well written, the world building feels very cohesive. Its tone is whimsy contrasted with horror. I am regretting not ordering the physical books 😅

[@CountryBwoy]

✌🏾✊🏾❤️💛💚

[@TimeLapsePrints]

I dunno... I feel like in the absence of a truly demonstrably altruistic or benevolent direction we're left with the evidence of the actions we DO see. OGL, blur, Pinkertons, etc. And, we all should have seen the OGL mess coming because it DID leave the building. You mention its appearance in the 4e era yourself. Again though, we the community as a whole should have drawn the line there, but we didn't and we got 5e and they came around to thinking they could do it again. I get that youtube creators have to pander to the algorithm. money talks and all that. but, the only way this has a happy ending for lovers of the game and both its history and legacy is we cut HasbrotC out entirely. Don't buy any thing. License third party, licensed vapes, pinball, nothing from Hasbro itself. You starve them until the only way they can hope to re-coup losses is to strip the IP and sell it all off. That also means content creators have to pivot away from it, but that would be suicide on KZbin these days. Because, in the end, when I sit down with any edition or clone, I'm playing D&D and there is nothing HasbrotC can do about that. For a significant portion of my life in the hobby D&D and RPG meant the same thing.

[@TimeLapsePrints]

And, maybe I'm cynical? But, all the release of VTT's says to me is they lack confidence in their own product. The CC release feels like capitulation after they realized what idiot move revoking the OGL would have been. Legally, they can't copyright rules anyway. They can trademark a specific iteration of those rules, but that doesn't do anything to prevent some one from publishing compatible third party material. Their legal department is the loaded gun at the head of creators that prevents it. Always has been. How many times does the community have to be burned before it stops playing apologist for an org that only ever demonstrates apathy at best? Free releases to promote your product is an industry standard. Praising them for it is like praising a fish for swimming. Great. they're meeting a minimum expectation. stop applauding. Your list of good things is just industry standard practice. It's what they should have been doing since day 0. Mad respect to you and your channel, but your hopeless optimism with HasbrotC feels out of place.

[@CountryBwoy]

I tend towards other companies whether it's OSR or D20/5e based. With the OGL you get way more options for play. I really only say "D&D" as shorthand for TTRPGs in general as most people have heard of D&D proper if only in passing. I like some of the settings but would adapt and homebrew those to fit my needs if I had to. Even though I don't like some of WOTC's shenanigans I don't think the hobby is ruined by any of them. Slots or not....oh and come on.... Vapena! It's right there! LOL

[@Dysfunctional_Reprint]

The OGL War has left me scarred. I'm still notpurchasing anything from WoTC or engaging with any part of official D&D. They can go maximize their monetization right up their corporate asses.

[@emirefli]

Unfortunately D&D right now defines the reputation of the hobby. They are that big. I know that we already have all we need to play 5e. It's entirely possible to play 5e without interacting with Wotc/Hasbro at all. Just as a thought experiment, if Wotc/Hasbro decide to go all MAGA, and playing TTRPGs become a MAGA thing, I would move on and do something else with my time. It can be as easy as Elon buying Hasbro and Eloning all over it. The fact is in publicly traded companies we are not the consumers. Shareholders are. We still have power over them because with Hasbro, public outcries still affect their share prices. That's why they tried to kill OGL, why they then released the SRD under Creative Commons, why they have a d&d pinball machine, why half the Magic the Gathering decks are weird crossovers now and why they may release Tasha's Vapes. Personally I'm tired of their chaos. I'm also tired of shareholder capitalism. There are so many small and sane companies I can shop from, such as yourself. Even if you decide to sell Lazy Vapes for Lazy Preps, it won't be chaotic. In fact Lazy Vapes fit with your brand now that I think about it.

[@jeffreyquigley]

I'm happy 5.5 exists, as it corrals all the people I would never want to play with anyways. It's like the Bluesky of RPG's. There's too many awesome games out there to try. Limiting yourself to just WotC/5e based games is just depressing and boring.

[@BuppGuy]

Since the OGL fiasco (and other corporate missteps of that time period) I've stopped directly supporting Hasbro. As a MtG player as well. I still use the CC Rules as my base ruleset, but if I spend any money on 5e, it's through other publishers.

[@CirKhan]

What we can do is stop buying their crap. D&D IS NOT "a Hobby", it's just one brand among many, and not in the top half of them in terms of originality. Gambling is alright. Ok, what's next- Philip Morris? Child labor sweat... I mean printshops?

[@SagaBorn]

I think there are only two visions from Wotc. The creative team that wants to make good creative products. And the corpos who want all the money, who literally said it is under monetized. So as long as the corpos rule there, D&D has a clear goal, anything for money.

[@SagaBorn]

And these aren't stumbles. These are board calculated maneuvers. As they keep making these greedy money grabs or hurting creatives, the resistance should be moving on to better games run by better companies.

[@bolognagiri6443]

If Zyn doesn’t partner with DnD and make Zynathar’s Pouches of Everything I’ll be sorely disappointed.

[@g0mikese]

I haven't read the Lazy DM books yet (I have them, but just haven't had time yet). I was thinking about the person who had issues prepping NPCs and thought I'd mention how I currently deal with it. I prep my Major NPCs like the BBEG, the new patron for the party, or central figures to an adventure pretty fully. I want to know who they are and why they care about what they're doing. I base a lot of their motivations on aligning them to any specific faction they are in, which makes it easy since usually these people are the heads or higher ups of a faction anyway. Then I consider them the Hubs in a Hub and Spoke system. I branch off from them and prep the surrounding NPCs to them. Things like the BBEG's lieutenants, their family, and confidants... but everything goes back to the hub NPC. The players are mostly going to care about them in how they relate to that NPC anyway, so I don't care what the BBEG's wife thinks about the head of another faction she'll just match the main faction alignment there. I care about what that relationship is between my hub and spoke NPCs and what makes this NPC unique. Then I also consider groups of NPCs. For instance, the NPC head of a large organization doesn't directly deal with an underline 7 steps removed from them. Maybe they aren't popular that deep in their organization, and the rank and file wants a change in leadership even if the larger goals are the same. Maybe the Major NPC has a grating personality and considers the rank and file people below them in the faction as beneath them. If this sort of thing is going on I'll write down "60% chance the foot soldiers hate this general, for these reasons...." now I've got inter-faction politics setup and if my players approach a rank and file member of the faction they will get a variety of opinions about the major members of the faction from those people. So now I can tell how easily the players will convince a servant to let them into the evil Governor's masquerade ball because of how he treats his own people.

[@g0mikese]

I love having games as PDFs on my iPad for easy reference at the table, eventually if/when I buy the 2024 books (I'm waiting until I can at least buy a box set of physical books) I'll either buy a PDF if they actually release one, or make my own PDF of my own physical copy of the book (for my own personal use only). I despise the way DNDBeyond formats things and I don't like the site at all so I really don't want to have that as my "digital" copy.

[@BuppGuy]

I also think there is a big difference between WotC and Hasbro. The game designers do an absolutely smell job most of the time, and I think honestly have the best interest of the hobbies (both D&D and MtG) at heart. Then you have the hasbro corporate overlords. The chaos you mention I think comes about depending on who gets the "final move".

[@Frostrazor]

WotC is completely lost cause at this point. I'll never forgive the for ruining the game of my childhood love in the 80s. They are pathetic. The best thing I ever did was find other games and publishes to spend my coin. I haven't spent a single dollar on WOTC in 10 yrs and wont be going back. I'm not giving them any credit for anything good they may have done over the past year; it's readily apparent they don't appreciate their fans - especially their long-term fans from yesteryear.

[@unservant]

Surprised you’re dumping on legend… I ran 2 different city of mist games for a year. It’s an evocative easy to run system, the books are beautiful, they produce a lot of content. Kind of surprised the response wasn’t “oh interesting, let me take a look but, oh it probably isn’t actually any good anyway…” If the order doesn’t matter why was it important that 13th age was first in previous years? (I don’t know that it matters much… but why not talk about #11 then?)

[@curryosity7260]

WotC is chaotic neutral then...no Paladins, but also no devils.

[@rynowatcher]

I am not a huge fan of WotC's business practices, but they have a point for the "blur gate." The flip through reviews violate copy right, same as you reading a novel out loud on a channel. You should not do that as a default, and you should have a very clear agreement for what is allowed if you do have permisdions. Not every publisher is OK with giving up the same level of control of their copy right, and you should have asked directly. "Do not sneak into my house to rob me at night," does not imply permission to be robbed during the day. That is kind of on you.

[@SlyFlourish]

Then how come they came back and told me I could put up the video the original way I had?

[@rynowatcher]

@SlyFlourish policy change. If you own the copy right you can choose to give it or withhold it as you see fit if you are not bound by an agreement. You should have asked instead of assuming you could. Same reason lots of video gamers stream their plays, but Nintendo strikes people for copy right. Know your business, my guy. If you do not have expliced permission, you cannot make digital copies of a print media. That is basic copy right law in the US. You really should have known better as long as you have been doing this. As you pointed out, pdf's were made based on stills of videos. When exercising copy right, it is usually easiest to go after the source of the copies used to distribute. I would not take this to mean you can do a flip through of the monster manual either. Just because they gave you permission for one product does not grant to permission for all products in the future, too. :/ They fired the KZbin leuazon for a reason.

[@SweetLuups]

What about the sly fourish fiasco?

[@GamerKatz_1971]

For me it was the whole "Don't make orcs evil or you are in favor of colonialism" in Sly's work. That may be a paraphrase but I had been thinking of getting some of his products until I found that out. For one it is the incredible arrogance of him to assume that he knows best how DMs should run their games, another was thinking he has the authority to dictate to those DMs.

[@SweetLuups]

@@GamerKatz_1971 Same, what a donkey