Oh, that's controversial...

A black metal update and chat aboit controversy in music
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[@blackleathereyes3673]

Hi Sean, cool vid mate. BM is built on controversy, Its not just how the music resonates with people that has made it so massive/popular... and obviously peeps love to be offended. Even the fans who call for BM to be offensive get offended when people get offended by a bands intended offensiveness haha! Theres drama to be had, people love it and love to hate it. Given how much BM prides itself on its misanthropy etc. It works brilliantly in a world drenched in social media blabber. People will try to find out whos sincere in their beliefs and take action in whatever way they see fit. Tis the way of the world. . ...and Lets not forget that Motorhead had a Swastika on their debut record. Lovin Motorhead didnt make me grow a Charlie Chaplin mustache and go seig heiling in the forest haha! Good to see ya Mr Beast!

[@seanbeast939]

Now that's what you call a reply 👏 I was undecided about posting this video, but I was genuinely interested in how people responded. So far it's been very interesting. Thanks for watching, Jason 🤘

[@n0s0luti0n]

Great video and topic, Sean. I have no problem with people following their own moral compass as long as they give me the same courtesy. I can be friends with someone who would never listen to Goatmoon, but they might consider me a bad person because of certain records I enjoy. 😀 I'm not a Satanist, Christian, or leftist, but I enjoy bands that would fall into those categories. Cheers, Beast!

[@seanbeast939]

That's the kind of reply I was hoping for, Scott. I would never criticise someone's musical choices, but by the same token, if they were here trying to forcefully project their ideologies, then I would speak up too. Thanks for watching, dude 🤘

[@This-Is-Music]

My take might be a poser's take, but I absolutely understand why people might be offended by certain things, and I think people have the right to be offended by whatever offends them and they can refuse to buy whatever music from whatever label they want. It's a personal choice and I respect that, just like I respect people's personal choice to listen to those artists and buy from those labels. To quote Johnny Mc, it's all about one's own moral compass. I will say that it works both ways: if Person A wants Person B to respect Person A's choice to listen to controversial music, then Person A better respect Person B's choice not to. Just my opinion, being the bleeding heart poser that I am :D

[@seanbeast939]

This is very well put, Kim. I agree with respecting other people's choices, and I'd like to think I am considerate towards others. Thanks for watching, dude 🤘

[@This-Is-Music]

@@seanbeast939 Absolutely. You never force your views, opinions, and tastes upon others. :)

[@Leave_The_Hall_69]

That was awfully cringe. 😂

[@This-Is-Music]

@@Leave_The_Hall_69 Oh well...

[@rogerkjorvik]

Great one Sean. I'm with you there mate. You can't really do/say much until you are labeled..... Got to give the sacred son a lot of horns up for all the excellent cover art. Cheers. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@seanbeast939]

The Sacred Son artwork is extremely amusing. I wonder how many people get a shock when they hear the music? 🤣 Labels are easily attached to people by others, but I know where my beliefs sit, so I'm fine with that. Thanks for watching, Roger 🤘

[@marc.g.with.a.c.]

I always gravitate towards the BM bands whose vokillists sound like they’ve just caught their knobs in their zips, lol… unless that knob happens to be Johnny Mac… & that would just be weird, lol! Always good to see a video from you Sean! I hope you & Mrs Beast are well… see you at the ‘Massacre’ gig mate!🤘🏻

[@seanbeast939]

Hahaha, poor John is always getting bullied 🤣 Looking forward to seeing you at "Massacre" been quite some time 🤘 Cheers for watching, boss 👍

[@rockandmetalplus5248]

Excellent video, Beast. As always. I am glad you decided to do this video. You know my views on these type of stuff, as we have already chatted about it, and I have talked about them myself. Ever since the church burnings and murders back in the 90's, Black Metal has been at the forefront of controversy. Unfortunately extreme music attracts extreme views.some excellent albums shown, dude 🤘🍻

[@seanbeast939]

It's a very emotive genre, that's for sure. As we've said before, we know our own beliefs and aren't likely to change just because we listen to a certain band. Thanks for watching, brother 🤘

[@matoxdeepshadows]

Listen to what you wanna listen to beast regardless of beliefs ideaoligies etc. Black metal isnt for everyone thats just how its intended to be. These artists will be around regardless of whether we buy em or not, if the music/art captures youre ear listen to it, it doesnt make you a fascist, its all freedom of expression as well you start taking that away you start stripping away freedom of speech, which is happening more and nore by the day. Form your own opinions Beast and enjoy what you wanna enjoy. Top stuff as always mate! 🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@seanbeast939]

I have always thought of music, especially metal, as devisive. I fully understand black metal gets more stick than most other genres, some of which are justified. However, if a tune gets stuck in my head, then I'm going to enjoy it regardless. Thanks for watching, bruz 🤘

[@matoxdeepshadows]

@@seanbeast939 glad you're digging from the abyss to mate,Absolute masterpiece! 🍻

[@seanbeast939]

Yeah its a beauty,, mate 👌

[@TheDeathDoomMetalHead]

Loving your work Beast, love that Goatmoon album and still need to grab the lp myself. Drowning the light another great band, Sacred Son top stuff too, always makes me laugh seeing his sunglasses on a cover haha! Top stuff Beast man, I've actually recorded a new video I need to edit tonight and surprise surprise it;s a black metal one too 😂

[@seanbeast939]

Sacred Son has certainly cornered the market with niche album covers 🤣 Regardless of the controversy associated with the band, I have to say that Goatmoon album is a belter as are the Drowning the Light ones I've heard. I look forward to seeing what you spend my money on next 🤣 Cheers for watching, bose 🤘

[@ravensoulmetal8466]

Excellent video there Sean, I'm totally in your camp on this. I love music, lyrics are important but I'm not bothered about the ideologies some bands spout. To quote Dee Snider ' I am, I'm me', a dodgy song won't change that 😂. Take care🤘.

[@seanbeast939]

This video has certainly had some great responses, which in of itself is what my aim was. Thanks for watching, dude 🤘

[@tainted_lord87]

Excellent video Sean! Awesome to see you picked up Drowning the Light and Goatmoon. Maybe we'll see you with corpse paint on next time.

[@seanbeast939]

Hahaha, I don't think the world is ready for my ugly mug in corpse paint. Thanks for watching, Tony 🤘

[@kamo124]

Im gonna check out Drowing the light (that album in particolar)

[@seanbeast939]

It's a very very good album 👍🤘

[@foodwatermusic]

Much angry music is just being truthful about the state of humanity, and humans' shallow societal norms/morality being forced upon sovereign beings. Also, there are beings on "earth" that look human but are Not human. I am Not human, and Black Metal is my fav metal.

[@seanbeast939]

The truth is part of the reason the people don't like controversy 👍

[@HM2dylanpowell]

Excellent video here beastie lad and nice to see you show off some black metal. I’m thrilled that you’ve been dipping your toes into this genre there’s some wonderful stuff out there dude! I’m just slapped on that drowning the light album new to me. As for all the fannys that get offended they can do one. Everything is hate speech now if you don’t agree with the narrative absolutely pathetic! Great video mate really enjoyed this one 😉🤘🏻

[@seanbeast939]

I'm happy you enjoyed it, dude. I like the idea of people expressing their opinions to me. People who actually know me also know I'm quite a simple bloke. Every comment has the potential to be educational. Thanks for watching, boss 🤘

[@theblackenedhymnschannel3985]

Great update Sean all awesome bands. Some of the nicest guys in the VC are the ones who show sketchy stuff 🤣🤣. People now love to be offended, its like the ones who say I didn’t buy it from a Dubious label but I love the music doesn’t make sense to me, like saying everyone who bought the Rage against the Machine single and put it to #1 is a Left wing socialist. Anyway what I’m trying to say is listen to what you want.

[@seanbeast939]

Hahaha. I quite like the idea of creating a decent conversation with people who are more up to their knowledge than me. I often buy albums without any knowledge of the band members' past, inexcusable, I guess in this day and age. It will be interesting to see the aftermath of this upload. It could end my blossoming YT career 🤔 Thanks for watching, Gordon 🤘

[@theblackenedhymnschannel3985]

@@seanbeast939 if people don’t like you because of a band or record you listen they are probably better not knowing, for me music is music I have a lot of left leaning punk in my collection and the Subhumans The Day the Country Died is one off my all time favourite albums but because I don’t show stuff like that, people will assume a certain type of narrative which is ok. I got banned of Instagram by a prominent KZbinr who didn’t like a T shirt I was wearing but that’s another story 🤣.

[@seanbeast939]

@theblackenedhymnschannel3985 banned for a shirt? That sounds like a badge of honour 😉

[@theblackenedhymnschannel3985]

@@seanbeast939 🤣🤣. Don’t know about that, but hay ho.

[@metalmartymac]

Interesting stuff Sean, I do still buy black metal releases but not a tonne, that’s nothing against black metal it’s just my tastes As for the controversy around in, if it bothers you don’t buy it- Simple!!! People are entitled to show what they want though..personally I just can’t listen to all the bullshit surrounding the “ controversial “ stuff as the subject matter is of no interest to me ,,, each to their own eh Music on those sounds good, so I’m gonna check em out… Love the cover on that Sacred Son album Great video Brother 🤘💀

[@seanbeast939]

Cheers, Marty. I was hoping that this video might create some interesting comments and discussions, and it certainly seems to be doing that. The music interested me way before I heard of the sketchy side of things. Obviously I won't stop listening to them but perhaps not show this level of sketchy. Thanks for watching, brother 🤘

[@bvdaussiemetalhead9338]

I’m only into early proto black metal like Venom etc and I don’t really like much after that early period so I’ve managed to escape the sketchy infamous and controversial stuff mostly but in the genres that I do like I can separate the controversy from the music and just enjoy the tunes.

[@seanbeast939]

I've only recently delved deeper into the darker reaches of the genre, so it was inevitable that the sketchy stuff would be discovered. Enjoying the tunes is the main thing. Thanks for watching, brother 🤘

[@ScreaminT81]

This is a great discussion. Especially the comments here too. I have other thoughts but to type them all out would be the longest read ever.

[@seanbeast939]

Hahaha, I do enjoy a good read, Trevor 🤣

[@ScreaminT81]

@@seanbeast939 Hahaha, this has been something I’ve been thinking about doing a video on meself. For awhile.

[@seanbeast939]

@@ScreaminT81 do it....the world is a far better place with a Trevor rant 😉

[@ScreaminT81]

@@seanbeast939 🤣🤣🤣 that’s true

[@cristianosorio2517]

Hi Sean!!! that's a tough topic when this messages (any kind) gets involved with music, and for what you're saying it has became an issue in Black Metal or more extreme forms of BM..... this is a kind of metal i don't listen or undestand like i guess lots of people around the world who don't understand english or what the hell they're singing about...... Unfortunately human stupidity is everywhere and you need to fight it with idea not labels or cancelling. cheers and be well

[@seanbeast939]

Hi, Cristian. Music will always be devisive, and I can separate it from the stupidity that some of these bands profess to. Thanks for watching 🤘

[@DeaditeDelight]

Music is music, if you don't like it then don't listen to it.

[@seanbeast939]

My sentiment exactly. It appears easier for some people to point out the flaws of others rather than just moving on to something they prefer 🤘

[@metalmickey]

I wouldn't have a clue about black metal and what was classed as dodgy. I like some albums but only about a handful before i reached saturation point. The ones i like will no doubt be the big entry level ones scoffed at by the cvlt guys. Looking well Sean 🤘

[@seanbeast939]

I am the same regarding who is or isn't sketchy, which is part of the reason behind this video. Already in the comments, I've heard some interesting facts. Thanks for watching, Mike 🤘

[@BeardyRedViking]

I'm by no means a gatekeeper, and I LOVE Black Metal, but there's Sketchy and then there's SKETCHY. Goatmoon are one of the most infamous NSBM bands out there, and Drowning the Light literally have a release called 'Defenders of the Aryan Race'. Comparing the type of hate these bands spread through their lyrics and ideologies to Cannibal Corpse is a false equivalence. Cannibal Corpse don't actually fuck women with knives; these guys ARE actual fascists. I'm not judging you at all dude, and I hope you know that, but maybe it hadn't occurred to you that by investing in the music of these 'artists', you're literally funding hate speech and fascism. I hope you don't take offence to me bringing this to your attention, but I feel it's important to have these discussions when things like this come up. Especially when the topic is raised by someone I respect as thoroughly as I do you. Cheers! 🤘

[@seanbeast939]

This is the type of reply I was hoping for. I agree that the CC comparison was misplaced, and I certainly appreciate the fact that you felt compelled enough to get involved by commenting. I am certainly not offended. In fact, I would say I'm educated and informed.

[@BeardyRedViking]

Glad to hear it! I'll admit I listen to, and indeed own, some stuff that people would rightly describe as 'edgy' or even 'sketchy', but I personally draw my lines at not buying or promoting anything by any band or artist that has fascist members or past, though I would still potentially 'steal' it(😜), if I deem it good enough musically for me to need it in my life. As for actual NSBM, I personally want no part in that shit whatsoever. But I'm not gonna call someone a fascist for simply enjoying music, especially when that person's personality clearly displays that they don't harbour such thoughts or ideologies. I don't understand why anyone without those thoughts would WANT to listen to anything of that nature, but we're all different, and I accept that I don't NEED to understand everything...

[@seanbeast939]

I fully appreciate what you're saying. I've always said I don't delve deeply into the music I enjoy as much as some people do, which in this type of instance may come across as ignorance or stupidity. Your comments have been taken onboard, and I'm sure it will assist me in future posts/videos to steer away from the ultra sketchy stuff. As for stealing music, you do know that theft is frowned upon, right ?😂😂 😂😂

[@BeardyRedViking]

@@seanbeast939 REALLY!?!?! 😱😱😱 I am shocked to my very core! 😂 If they're sketchy fuckers, I'll be honest, I don't feel bad about it AT ALL! 🤣 You do you, my friend. Just wanted to raise a few points and possibly spread some awareness. I'm glad you were so receptive. That, once again, shows your character. Cheers! 🤘

[@seanbeast939]

@@BeardyRedViking is that your hardcore or grindcore? 😉 Like I said, these conversations interest me when they are conducted properly, and knowing you as I do, I knew this would be the case with this chat 👍

[@kingnotail3838]

Some bands get labelled as "NSBM" when really, strictly speaking, they aren't (e.g. Burzum, Taake, Horna, Inquisition, Nargaroth, Judas Iscariot) Some bands used to be NSBM but aren't anymore (e.g Satanic Warmaster) Some bands claim to not be NSBM, or claim to have renounced the ideology, when very likely this is not actually the case (e.g. Graveland, Nokturnal Mortum, Grand Belial's Key) Some bands are full-on, openly NSBM (e.g Peste Noire, Goatmoon, Absurd, and all the bands with lame douchebag NS names like M8L8TH etc.) At the end of the day, if the music is genuinely that good then it's probably worth listening to, regardless of ideology. That said, the only actual NSBM album I genuinely love is Carelian Satanist Madness by Satanic Warmaster. Peste Noire debut is very good, but some of their later stuff is pretty terrible. Nokturnal Mortum have some good albums but I've never been a massive fan. Tried listening to Goatmoon and thought it was pretty decent but nothing exceptional. Tried listening to Graveland and wasn't particularly impressed at all. Tried listening to Grand Belial's Key and thought it was mostly utter shite (talk about overhyped!). Tried listening to Absurd and thought it was even worse than Grand Belial's Key. The only bands I refuse to listen to are the aforementioned ones with douchebag names, and I'm fairly certain I'm not missing out on anything by doing so..

[@seanbeast939]

Now that's what I call a comment! Some fascinating points are made, and there is a lot of information to take on board. Thanks for watching and taking the time to reply 🤘