OH WOW! The NEW Phonak Audéo Lumity 2023: A Hearing Aid for Background Noise?

[@HearingTracker]

_Do you think that Phonak have their priorities in the right place again looking at background noise?_

[@shadoet412]

Focusing on background noise is way better than all the waste of time on fitness related technology... They could have use that time on making CROS P work better.

[@oz4acl]

In better hearing, in noisy enviroment? Definately! But in focussing on Rechargeable models? Not at all! Rechargeable batteries die out. Just look at cellphones. Plus if they loose power, its not a minute, to change the batteries. No its half a hour, without proper hearing! Simply not good enough... And if you need a health trackers, you get a smartwatch anyhow...

[@gsp49]

​@@oz4aclAgree, not buying Phonak ever again.

[@alanjenkins2203]

Thank you so much for the update. I have my annual hearing test this month so it's good to.be going into that better informed. The focus on speech in noise is what I care about most. I'm glad to hear that Phonak are concentrating on this. To be honest I don't want health tracking in my hearing aids - I doubt many people do. There are already other devices for that.

[@HearingTracker]

Hi Alan! I 100% agree. Let's get back to basics! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@barryalanlevine]

New features sound great but very disappointed that they're not releasing a battery operated version. While I appreciate all the benefits of rechargeables, they cause too many problems for me AND they require a larger casing. These RICs are just too big for me. If Phonak offered a battery operated model with a slimmer profile, I might be an early adopter, but as is, I'll have to pass.

[@HearingTracker]

Hi Barry, Yes I'm with you on this one. I believe the Slim will be on the Lumity platform at some point ant may tick some boxes for you. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Matthew

[@rushevents]

I'll go one further, they are a complete waste. Batteries work, I can buy 6 mos worth for $10 at Costco, and I don't have to wait for them to charge in a big clunky case.

[@mariaj9235]

ohhh.. I can't even think about recharging it.. carring this thing everywhere and being dependand on access to electricity and having to take it out to charge it... ohhh noo. I have Phonak now with batteries ( 4 years) and I tried different one with batteries and I think I will be with Phonak for life .. big difference in hearing in noisy enviroment.. Please Phonak make one with batteries!!

[@gsp49]

I'm in the market for larger hearing aids, I do not understand why anybody who relies on hearing aids would like this miniature stuff.

[@georgeton4991]

@@rushevents $10 for 6mths IS GREAT.

[@drymariner]

I'd like to hear more details on why this warrants a new hearing aid. It sounds like it could/should be all be software deployable to the hearing aids already out there with the latest chipset

[@HearingTracker]

Hi Allen, Touché! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@WirralBagpuss]

Great news! But I have just ordered the Audeo Life which I am looking forward to despite their being no loop availability on it. No big deal as I have Roger to use with group situations. But now this new hearing aid lands and makes my new Life hearing aids seem out of date!! My beef is that with buying hearing aids privately not everyone can afford to keep upgrading to keep up with the rapidly changing technology! So can’t hearing aid manufactures offer a trade in scheme like one can do with mobile phones? Exciting times though as we are witnessing an explosive growth in hearing aid technology. Makes you wonder what the next five years will bring!

[@richa.s9912]

Yes I know what you mean .

[@alanjenkins2203]

This is the curse of modern technology! Happens all the time with phones too.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey WirralBagPuss, this is what drives technology and keeps the developments going with improvements from each manufacturer. The problem, as with any tech, is that its impossible to keep up!! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Matthew

[@iantroup]

What is the best type of hearing aid for me - I have mild to moderate age related hearing loss plus a constant high pitched tinnitus in both ears. I have hearing aids as supplied by the NHS could I be doing better? Even with my NHS supplied hearing aids I miss an awful lot when in conversation.

[@rushevents]

Wow, now you have to bring ANOTHER charger with you when you travel. Also, should they die you have to wait to charge them. Such a deal. Note to phonak and all the others, batteries are more convenient. They last a WEEK!! Should they die I can swap the battery in about 5 seconds and it is FULLY charged again for another WEEK!! Just because something seems cool does NOT mean it is. So, a sincere message to your engineers and marketing team: F.O.A.D.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Rushevents, yes, rechargeable isn't for everyone! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@DuffyF56]

Too bad no battery version. Rechargeables seem to be more problematic.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Duffy, I agree choice would be better as there are pros and cons to both! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@belo2999]

@@HearingTracker My Charger Case Go for the Audeo Life is constantly needing resets and seems quite unreliable. Looks like they are using the same chunky charger for the Life versions of these too. Would be nice to see a range of inductive chargers as this one is really bulky and isn't suitable for just popping in a jacket pocket. It would be nice to have a backup charging option as I can see lots of people struggling with the fiddly reset procedure which is necessary to un-brick these chargers after they stop working.

[@bbbballis]

Hi again, Matthew! Thanks for answering my question on KZbin. We're looking at the Phonak Audeo Lumity L90 R. I've watched several of your videos, which are outstanding by the way. I think you mentioned that Phonak's pattern for releasing new products is about every 2 years? Since the L90R was released in August of 2022, I'm wondering if they will be replaced anytime soon? Wondering if we should wait maybe? Do you know if they've been able to correct the microphones on the hands-free thing that can pick up additional voices and noise other than the hearing aid wearer's voice? Thanks a million Matthew for whatever help you might lend us! And thanks again for all the great videos!

[@johnlutz9275]

I'm first time hearing aid user I will buy the NEW LUMITY P-90 RT MODEL, THESE ARE BY FAR THE MOST ADVANCED, AND I LOVE THERE WATER PROOF. THANK YOU FOR VIDEO IT HELPS ALOT.!!!

[@HearingTracker]

Hey John. Im delighted to have helped. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@miketindol1679]

I work in a noisy environment. Understanding in that environment is difficult. Also living in the southeast we have humidity, sweat and rain to deal with. I will definitely be interested in the waterproof Lumity.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Mike, this is EXACTLY what theyre for! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@inkpapers-1]

The new directionality should help people at workplaces.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Ink Papers, Absolutely! Lets see when I review them fully. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@Elephantine999]

It's easy to add fitness tracking so why not? It's not the most important thing, of course, but as long as you're walking around with electronic devices on your head anyway, why not include all the bells and whistles?

[@ZonaJim]

Phonak = great hearing aids, but their newest app for my P90s appears to have been developed by an 8 year old.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Jim, this made me laugh out loud! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@gsp49]

I hate my Phonaks, I want my GN Resound back, but my audiologist can't help me with that.

[@meric12131415]

Um Jim you do know it's all the same app for all hearing aids right?

[@Earshoes777]

@@meric12131415 wrong, this is not true at all

[@mariaj9235]

IS there any other Phonak HA using batteries? Tried to find on their website but they don't seem to list this

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Maria, yes the paradise model. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@kenutton992]

why is my Phonak Lumity Hearing Aids stop working making me blow out the ear mold that procedure in not long lasting

[@belo2999]

Come on Phonak time to move to Bluetooth 5 and give us aptX. How can a device be marketed as advanced when its using an 8 year old Bluetooth standard that has lower range, increased power consumption and higher latency than its modern replacement?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Be Lo, AGREED! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@meric12131415]

I can explain why they use a somewhat older standard it's because classic provides better streaming quality vs say the newer Bluetooth low energy and I can attest to that music sounds better all the same

[@belo2999]

@@meric12131415 aptX and Bluetooth LE are completely different. The lack of aptX has nothing to with BT LE.

[@commissionsompo4705]

I am wondering if lumia 16 channels will be better than paradise 24 channels as they offer 16% better understanding than all previous models ? Point to ponder over this point of mine

[@HearingTracker]

Hey commission Sompo, thats a great question and really hard to answer without running some side by side comparisons in an audio lab. Perhaps we'll look at that one dayl. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@macigov]

Honestly, I have tried phonak paradise as well as signia 7AX. Signia is SO MUCH better, I just don’t understand how there is such big difference, especially in bluetooth features. And then speech. I just don’t get it why everyone is obsessed with Phonak.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey HM, they're both great hearing aids! No obsession here, just sharing the new updates. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@anthonycermenaro1173]

Everyone has a different experience based on their hearing loss and needs. What works for one may not work for another. I tried 4 hearing aids with Signia being one of them and I found the Phonak the best for me. The Signia had poor Bluetooth and they finally failed in the trial so they were returned. I just ordered the Phonak Life so I may see if I can get them exchanged for the new Lumity.

[@oz4acl]

Why do Rechargeable HA's seems to be fokus? It can give people, with long days, some serious problems! With some 16 to 18 hours up time, i fear the RT's can't stand the demand...

[@HearingTracker]

Hey oz4acl, I agree and think its an error too personally. Rechargeable isnt right for everyone. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Matthew

[@garybury4480]

I have a set of these to replace a set of Audio Life's that had bluetooth problems. Sure the sound from them seems good. But Bluetooth problems persist. Walk out of range of your phone (go into your garden or something) and bluetooth disconnects, walk back in range and it doesn't reconnect. Happens 100% of the time, and my audiologist advises it's happening with 100% of the recent phonic aids they are fitting. So annoying.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Gary, thanks for sharing your experiences with the world. Keep them coming! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@meric12131415]

I mean Bluetooth can only go so far in range before it cuts off it's just one of the limitations of Bluetooth not the hearing aids fault

[@garybury4480]

@@meric12131415 yes I understand range, but like I said, when you come back in range they don’t reconnect. My previous aids were Oticon - flawless Bluetooth, reconnected every time you came back in range.

[@watermain48]

I have the new(er) Starkey Evolv AI hearing aids and I have to say that I let myslelf get sucked in by the fitness tracking hype. I'm not walking more, even though I have the ability to track it. If I had it to do over again I would have the Oticon More 1s that I tested at the same time as the Starkeys. Maybe next time I'll go back to Phonaks. Thanks Matthew, that was informative.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Bill K, Greta to hear your feedback! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@pagzplay]

I went with Oticon Exceed Ultrapower Hearing Aids now because they have the most Amplification possible and are supposed to be better at Hearing and understanding Speech. They were the only ones my Audiologist showed me and last time I got my Hearing Aids I just got the ones with the most amplification possible then too so I never got to try other Hearing Aids like other people who have less Amplification so I Hear with what they think that would work best for me when I get new Hearing Aids.

[@stephenmackler9937]

Got the starkey A1 and returned them they did nothing to improve my hearing and edge feature was a joke!

[@meric12131415]

​@@stephenmackler9937seriously?

[@user-le9sl6rs7l]

Reading about this. which was posted 4 months ago. do you have any new research or findings with all your patients in the last 4 months since. putting up the original new info on phonak Lumity???? Its just hearing aides are so. expensive and not sure can justify. upgrading current. phonak. only. 2.5 years old, to the new Lumity for the cost difference.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Dot. Good question and theres too much info for me to write on here. If you're wearing Paradise however, I would stick with the.m for now. This was also a launch video so check out my full review here kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpLaoqWse8tlZ9U Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@stuartprice2582]

Hi I hope you can advise me on Phonak Hearing aids P90? I am a 1st timer with having to have to wear hearing aids, I am due to have after visiting Boots the phonak P90 but with the cost of £3300 I need to make sure I am making the right choice? I wanted to make sure that with technology changes that I am getting a high quality product and not waste my hard earned money. My hearing is loss in both ears which at the age of 56 apparently its wear and tear, so I struggle with conversations especially in noisy environments. Any advice I would really appreciate, many thanks in advance for any advice. Stuart.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Stuart, thanks for reaching out. Paradise is old tech now so I would personally look for Lumity. If you're London based then reach out and I'll be able to help. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@grahamlucas1648]

Thank you for putting this together. A 16% improvement in understanding at first glance, looks disappointing. On the other hand, there have been incremental improvements since Venture, Marvel and then Paradise, so this is evidence of further improvement and has to be welcome.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Graham, yes it will be interesting to see what that translates to in the real world. Phonak seem pretty excited by it...! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@richa.s9912]

Great more Phonaks stuffs maybe 🤔 next time Phonaks Audeo can balance my checkbook and getting my another new hearing Aides for FREE 🆓 ‼️ Maybe 🤔 . I'm still waiting for my new waterproof Audio Life hearing Aides this coming week . I already have been watching videos and waiting for new hearing Aides since I first " HEARD," of Phonaks Audeo Life Waterproof hearing Aides last year fall ? . It Soo much smaller than my old Phonaks Audeo Milo Plus hearing Aides .

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Rich! That's great new I hope you enjoy your new hearing aids. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Matthew

[@MessiFCBisseM]

Thanks, waiting for the full review.

[@HearingTracker]

Coming soon! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@esmemostert6476]

The souns I hear and cannot fall asleep. This is the sound of very heavy traffic on the highway. We stayed about 3 roads away from a very busy highway and roads. Thanks Esme

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Esme, thanks for the feedback and taking time to comment, Matthew

[@larryechols6606]

I ordered a pair of the Lumity RT hearing aids today through my Audiologist to replace my current Widex 440 Beyond hearing aids. I'm anxious and excited to experience the expected improvement in better speech understanding. They're scheduled to arrive on September 29, 2022.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Larry! I hope that the fitting went well. Make sure that you give us some feedback. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@larryechols6606]

@@HearingTracker Hey Matthew. The fitting went very well, thanks. I have the L90RT and they are very nice and an improvement over the Widex Beyond 440s, but I'm still struggling sometimes to hear my girlfriend's voice in particular. I've already noticed that hands-free cell phone calls when in a car aren't suitable for the person on the other end of the call because they're complaining of hearing background/wind noise. I was experiencing a lot of feedback with the Widex after my audiologist maxed them out as much as possible. No feedback with the Lumitys! I am hearing some things that I didn't hear with the Widex. I have custom earmolds and the ones that came with the Lumity are much better than the ones that came with the Widex. These are softer and less irritating. Changing the wax filter seems to be much more difficult with the Lumity compared to changing them on the hard earmolds that came with the Widex.

[@mrcooper7423]

@@larryechols6606 more update? please? Thanks :)) Planning to buy it too but im stuck at deciding between Oticon more and this. Thanks

[@larryechols6606]

@@mrcooper7423 So far these are working well for me. I don't have any experience with the Oticon More hearing aids, but from my understanding, a person usually has a 45-day trial period to see how well the different hearing aids work so I'd suggest consulting with your audiologist to see what is being offered for you to try out

[@donnie2743]

Sound great, i am at moment getting ready to get fitted for hearing aids, i have tinnitus and hearing loss in high frequency, i was going for paradise 90, would it be better to wait for this hearing aid.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Donnie, if you're happy with Rechargeable and don't need a CROS then I would say so yes. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@watermain48]

Just an update Matthew. I tried the Lumity devices and sent them back to try out the new Starkey Genesis AIs. After trialing them I'm going back to the Phonak Lumitys. The Starkey Genesis devices just did not work out for me at all. My wife asked me if I was sure they were hearing aids and not earplugs.

[@meric12131415]

🤣 that's a rather interesting observation

[@HearingTracker]

Watermain I appreciate you taking the time to share your experience with the world! Thank you,Matthew

[@sinatra7407]

In addition to hearing aids, could you provide any updates on the progress for hearing loss cure, such as stem cell treatment.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey S Nandra, Yes I'll add it to the mix as soon as there is anything groundbreaking! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@robertwingham]

I live in Canada and have been using the Lumity R 70. Just over $4000 for a pair. Battery life is ok not perfect but ok. Speech in noisy background not as good as advertised. That could be due to not having real ear measurement done. Overall I am impressed but what do I know this is my first pair of hearing aids so it’s all new to me.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Robert, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I'd recommend REMs every time. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@robertwingham]

@@HearingTracker my next visit into the audiologist I am requesting it to be done.

[@dalem7504]

Is there any information yet about compatibility with their CROS aid?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Dale, sadly it’s not Cros compatible

[@Me-fy4jc]

Still waiting your review of the resound custom…

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Me, don't worry it's coming. I don't do my big reviews until I've had the opportunity to get some real life feedback from patients. When I have the pros and the cons, rather than just the info from the manufacturers you'll see it. Thank for watching, Matthew

[@abramik]

Well... No. I did the Hearing Tracker quiz and there was not a mention of frequency loss which for many people is the main cause of having difficulty in noisy situations - it;s amazing what a missing "s" or "sh" sound will do to sabotage speech comprehension in noise (or even in calm situations when you think about it. But, whether or not they know it people will simply reply that they have trouble in noisy situations simply because that is most often how the question is posed. All of this makes one yearn for the day when one can simply hear their wive's voice without having to buy a new expensive set of HA's every three years.

[@danbashinski3535]

My understanding is that the Lumity has many problems and Cosco has pulled Phonak off the market Do you agree with concerns?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Dan, it's the white label Products, the Kirkland Signature 10, not Lumity that's having these issues. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@meric12131415]

Well it wasn't the lumity is was a different hearing aid all together the ks10 those were made by phonak though sonova to be exact but yeah it had to do with the recharging speed

[@MikePerry-yi4qi]

Hi - I just had mine fitted Lumity Audeo 90 - really happy with them apart from picking up a feedback/whistling noise when in confind areas , anybody any idea on a fix? Thanks MIke

[@HearingTracker]

Hi Mike, that all depends on the coupling to your ear and the feedback settings. Worth a chat with your audiologist. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@mikeperry3542]

@@HearingTracker Thanks Mathew - I am brand new to hearing technology - I think I need to go back to my audiologist - I must say your videos have made my transition into this chapter of my life easier than anticipated - thanks again Mike

[@gsp49]

​@@mikeperry3542If the audiologist insist on Phonak, find another audiologist.

[@sjk7619]

It sounds like the speech sensor is another iteration of the motion sensor? Except, the client doesn’t need to be walking in order for the speech sensor to kick into effect to widen the beamformer? Correct me if im wrong

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Jay, this tech will also have the motion sensor feeding information about the movement of the user too! Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@sjk7619]

@@HearingTracker Oh great so they get the best of both worlds. Cheers

[@gbkworf]

It's on their web site. But I dont see Motion Sense listed for the Lumity????

[@HearingTracker]

Hey GBKworf, Motion sensor or speechsensor? Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@gbkworf]

@@HearingTracker Whoops, my error. I believe they call it Motion Sense.

[@doug60430]

Getting rid of background noise would be great - I have a lot of fans that provide a lot of background noise. Does the Lumity CROS come in a battery model? I trialed the Paradise CROS rechargeable, but it didn't last a full day, so I had to switch to the battery model. I would like to see an XL rechargeable model - a little larger with more battery life as I came from the Audeo B and V series which are a lot larger.

[@meric12131415]

Sooooo no such luck I'm afraid it's rechargeable only

[@mariaj9235]

we need one with batteries please

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Maria, I agree but Phonak don't. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@Klaas_H]

Why focus on the 20 percent of speech coming from behind? I personally am not interested in hearing anything behind me in a noisy restaurant, etc.

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Klaas, that's a good question and we'll see the feedback that people give when they start wearing them. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@Redcrusader]

I had the paradise for awile. I had problems with massive volume loss at the begiining of each streaming start, after 30 sec volume return to normal. Does the new version fixed that problem?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Redcrusador, as far as I'm aware that's resolved now. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@Shri_V]

I was so sure they would announce a rechargeable Virto paradise. Do you know when that is coming?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey V, no news on this so far. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@mmarjisr]

thanks for the video I get the lumity in the middle of Aug so I'm waiting to try them out

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Mmarjisr, that’s good to hear! Feel free to drop me some feedback on how you get along, thanks for watching. Matthew

[@mmarjisr]

@@HearingTracker I receive them on Aug 17 and I will need a week or so to review them just so I can give an honest answer

[@HearingTracker]

Awesome I look forward to it!

[@biplabguha3088]

Is it used for sever to profound hearing loses?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Biplap, Yes, with a UP receiver. Thanks for watching, Matthew

[@garychapin448]

Thank you, Hearing Tracker. The print was so small in the Phonak user manual I couldn't read it. These are extremely expensive hearing aids. Why couldn't the company provide an adequate user manual, particularly for those getting along in their years and wearing glasses? The company website did not provide instructions on cleaning their hearing aids; I had to go to KZbin for help. The company's plastic tools used for cleaning their hearing aids are cheaply made. And if something goes wrong with the Phonak hearing aids or they need to be replaced, the company charges $300 to replace or repair the item. This company is about price gouging and is not at all interested in their customers. Not a good company!

[@greg6203]

More advertising hype, the probably won't live up to their claims sa per my experiences.

[@HearingTracker]

Hi Greg, time will tell when people start wearing them and the feedback rolls in. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Matthew

[@michaelz5297]

these seem underwhelming as usual. Phonak is usually behind on tech. Beta test things on Unitron first sometimes, as not to defame Phonak brand incase it doesnt work out. Signia AX still seems like the current best, sound quality available.

[@HearingTracker]

Hi Michael, time will tell when people start wearing them and the feedback rolls in. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Matthew

[@michaelz5297]

@@HearingTracker yes, and no problem. i just order 2 pairs of demos, should have them in a few days. interested to test them my self against a few others. just also ordered New Resound Omina demos as well

[@gkillmaster]

Wow, this came up out of nowhere for me. I just got Signia 7AX and can trade for the Lumity for $1,300 extra. Is it worth it I wonder?

[@HearingTracker]

Hey Greg! ...and for the rest of us too! I've only fitted a handful so far so can't feedback until I'e heard back from my patients. Full review coming when I have some feedback. Thanks for watching, Matthew