Ohio Constitutional Carry New Law Informational Webinar

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@Pointman-yf6or
@Pointman-yf6or Жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha! Silly me. Way back when ccw was first introduced in our wonderful state, me in my ignorance took my dd214, along with my orders for my combat infantrymans badge, silver star, and thrice awarded Purple Hearts, from my couple of tours in the beautiful country of Vietnam, to my county sheriff’s office. I was informed in no uncertain terms that all of that was not good enough. I would have to go through the ccw school, ect, ect, blah, blah, even though MOST of the states around us considered military experience more than good enough. I then, in no uncertain terms, told them where they could shove their ccw, went home, put my pistol in my pocket, and went on my merry way. I will continue to do so, law or no law.
@tonysolar284
@tonysolar284 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Constitutional Carry Day.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I'm loving it so far. Forgot my license yesterday morning while carrying and I didn't have to turn back to get it.
@prestonboling1427
@prestonboling1427 11 ай бұрын
Super helpful video thank you so much
@KevinSadeski
@KevinSadeski 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you found it helpful.
@jeremyhunter5954
@jeremyhunter5954 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic and informative video without being boring. Thank you for this
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@dexterer
@dexterer Жыл бұрын
The Ohio AG guide states, “This publication is intended to provide information regarding Ohio’s concealed-carry law. It is neither legal advice nor a substitute for legal advice. If you have questions about how this law applies to you, consult an attorney.” My question has there been any adjudication or case proving Ohioans can now carry with a loaded firearm while in a vehicle? Or which statute specifically mentions qualifying adults transporting a firearm in a motor vehicle?
@VanderJam
@VanderJam 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Thanks for making this and posting it publicly. Very helpful.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mattbrooks4721
@mattbrooks4721 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as usual Kevin. Thanks.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt! I appreciate your support.
@sharpshooter1969
@sharpshooter1969 9 ай бұрын
Update this is from last year this is from 2024 constitution carries legal in Ohio and crime has been down imagine that crime is down
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 7 ай бұрын
Imagine that. When good people can protect themselves, crime becomes less attractive.
@gypsyhaze07
@gypsyhaze07 Жыл бұрын
So helpful. Thank you!
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great comment!
@chrisbarbato4696
@chrisbarbato4696 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video thanks for the needed info.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@EdwardSatterfield
@EdwardSatterfield 7 ай бұрын
If you get caught carrying in a school zone even if you are doing no wrong you get 5yrs in prison,what about that law? And school zones are every where
@Etnaved
@Etnaved 11 ай бұрын
If I’m 19yrs old can I open carry a hand gun or any type of firearm ? If I have no type of criminal charges on my record?
@jaylang11
@jaylang11 2 жыл бұрын
hi, quick question. under the new carry law will i be able to keep my gun in my cup holder or the seat next to me when i am driving? also if im wearing a tighter shirt and i print does that fall into "in plain sight" or does it not matter anymore after the 13th? thank you
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Good questions. So Ohio doesn't specify how to carry in the car except that you'll want to maintain access control. So on a seat or in a cup holder with just you in the car is ok. But if anyone else is in the car then you're not providing access control to that gun. The other issue is if you hit your breaks hard or if you get into an accident. The gun will fly in your car. My attorney would say that guns are drop safe, but not accident safe. So a gun hitting the dash at 50 mph might go off. As far as printing while carrying. Ohio has open carry so as long as you are carrying in places that allow for open carry you'll be fine. I don't know how the grey area of carrying open in a place that serves alcohol or other places that concealed carriers get exceptions could be interpretated. The constitutional carry laws are specific to being able to conceal carry and not open carry. It is a grey area that someone will get the chance to fight in court one day.
@jaylang11
@jaylang11 2 жыл бұрын
@@armed2defend thank you!
@RealKeytones
@RealKeytones 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can keep your forearm wherever you wish. Hidden on your body, on your seat, under your seat and in your cup holder. You can print as well. Doesn’t matter.
@rcman1023
@rcman1023 2 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming you can keep a loaded handgun on your hip while driving in Ohio? (assuming you are legally allowed to carry and not under the influence of any drugs/ alcohol)
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Along with your assumptions, you also have to be a qualifying adult which is the same as someone who could qualify for the license.
@rcman1023
@rcman1023 2 жыл бұрын
@@armed2defend shouldn't be a problem, I appreciate your video, very informative
@alexanderburgos-ortiz1316
@alexanderburgos-ortiz1316 Жыл бұрын
This video was very helpful for me thank you guys for it ❤
@armed2defend
@armed2defend Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@armed2defend
@armed2defend Жыл бұрын
Any other topics you're interested in learning about?
@alexanderburgos-ortiz1316
@alexanderburgos-ortiz1316 Жыл бұрын
Do I have to have a holster to carry my gun ? also me and my wife are interested on getting are ccw license but haven’t find a instructor that is available we live on Youngstown here in Ohio. Any tips on we’re I can find one in my area i have experience with guns but this is the first time I own one. My wife have no experience on gun been telling her everything I know about guns but I will be more save if we can take the class together and inform ourselves more.
@robertodell-ug9bb
@robertodell-ug9bb Жыл бұрын
75 dollars for permit.
@SomebodysNephew
@SomebodysNephew Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you're required to notify them if they say came to your door at your home and asked.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend Жыл бұрын
Good question. Unfortunately, I’m not an attorney so I wouldn’t be good at answering that question.
@paulwilliams6320
@paulwilliams6320 2 жыл бұрын
When we disclose to a law enforcement officer that we are carrying a concealed weapon, what response should we expect? What are they trained to do?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. I don't know of any standardized training for the officers on how to respond. I never hear of one. If a department has a policy then it would be specific to that department. From my experiences, I was always thanked and the officer moved on to giving me the ticket, lol. I was never asked any details about the gun. In 2008 Ashford Thompson, a licensed concealed carrier, shot an officer 4 times in the head after being pulled over for loud music. He was convicted. Officers must always be ready to respond and they appreciate citizens making stops easy and safe.
@nickmills8348
@nickmills8348 2 жыл бұрын
Great response! I’m currently in the academy and OPATA does not have any training on the law yet but I agree that each department might have their own policy and it might allow the officer discretion on what makes them feel safe.
@paulwilliams6320
@paulwilliams6320 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickmills8348 I'm just wondering if they might have you exit the car or something else kinda crazy.
@IRABIDNNAES
@IRABIDNNAES Жыл бұрын
Can your ccw permit class be completed before an individual turns 21 so that the application can be submitted asap?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend Жыл бұрын
Yes, you have up to three years to apply for your license after taking the course. So in general as long as you take it when you're 18, you could still apply for your license when you're 21. I heard of sheriff's who allow you to apply for the license before you turn 21 so that it will be ready on your 21st birthday. You can call your county or any adjoining county sheriff concealed carry office to ask them if they allow for you to apply before turning 21.
@EdwardSatterfield
@EdwardSatterfield 7 ай бұрын
Ohio carry is in effect now
@g_gaming2893
@g_gaming2893 11 ай бұрын
So you’ve mentioned handgun many times and have made the distinction between handgun and rifle. My question is does an ARP count as a handgun or is that considered a rifle? I know this doesn’t directly pertain to the topic at hand but this would clear up some common questions I see that go hand and hand with constitutional carry.
@d.j.9961
@d.j.9961 2 жыл бұрын
A specific organization has admitted to aving a registration, contrary to law! I am guessing that, In Ohio, As a resident without a C.H.L., Can one use a gun magnet attached to the underside of their dash without using a holster? Or must one still utilize a holster?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
The law never mentions a need for a holster. A gun magnet isn't a good option for me. I have kids and I don't take my gun off me and put it unsecured in my car. I know I'll forget about it and leave it for anyone else to find it. If I forget and leave my wallet, phone and other important things in the car, then I know I'll leave my gun. I've never needed to use my gun in my car, but I have my family in my car all the time.
@Klp85
@Klp85 Жыл бұрын
My questions on the school zone. What about the roads that are marked school zone? If you get pulled over on a road within a school zone wouldn’t that count as a “school zone”
@armed2defend
@armed2defend Жыл бұрын
Good question. They use "school safety zone" in the terminology. I guess we shortened it to school zone. Which is probably not good practice. From the Ohio Attorney General Law summary on page 14: "A 'school safety zone' includes a school, school building, school premises, school activity, and school bus. For purposes of this statute, a school includes everything up to the property boundary." www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Publications-Files/Publications-for-Law-Enforcement/Concealed-Carry-Publications/Concealed-Carry-Laws-Manual-(PDF).aspx
@ripped11111
@ripped11111 3 ай бұрын
Kevin knows is on top of his game and up to date on ALL his info. Take a class of his it is well worth the time. Solid info, solid instructor, and very patient and on point. He is the best of the best..
@Ptpop
@Ptpop Жыл бұрын
Do I need to be licensed to carry on Ohio?
@bubbykinderable
@bubbykinderable 2 жыл бұрын
A loaded handgun can be transported in a vehicle in Ohio without a CHL?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Yes by a qualifying adult. Around the 8 minute mark in the video it explains what a qualifying adult is. I hope that helps.
@bubbykinderable
@bubbykinderable 2 жыл бұрын
@@armed2defend what I have read is the only way you can transport a firearm legally without a CHL is the following: In a closed package, box, or case; In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; or In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for that purpose.
@easymoneyism
@easymoneyism 2 жыл бұрын
Are red dot sights aloud on cc arms?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. No restrictions on sighting systems systems in Ohio.
@mohican19831
@mohican19831 2 жыл бұрын
from what I read you can't keep a loaded within reach of the vehicle
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, thank you for the message. Constitutional carry was a huge change in Ohio's laws on how you can transport a handgun in your car. With that you have to make sure the information you're reading is up to date. Here is the quote from the Ohio Attorney General Concealed Carry Law Manual. "Transporting in Motor Vehicles You may transport a loaded concealed handgun in a motor vehicle but are not permitted to do so if you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Motorcycles fall under the definition of motor vehicles. Thus, the same requirements apply to those who carry a handgun while on a motorcycle." www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Publications-Files/Publications-for-Law-Enforcement/Concealed-Carry-Publications/Concealed-Carry-Laws-Manual-(PDF).aspx Constitutional carry removes the need for a CHL to carry a loaded concealed handgun in your car. I hope that helps.
@LambosOnly
@LambosOnly 2 жыл бұрын
2 questions, 1. does this change the transport laws for firearms in vehicles? 2. I heard under Federal law and Constitutional Carry that you're not allowed within 1,000 feet of school property while carrying. Is that correct?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Great questions. As far as transporting, you don't need the license anymore for a qualifying adult to carry a loaded handgun in the car. You still want to maintain access control of the handgun. From the updated Ohio Attorney General: "Transporting in Motor Vehicles You may transport a loaded concealed handgun in a motor vehicle but are not permitted to do so if you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Motorcycles fall under the definition of motor vehicles. Thus, the same requirements apply to those who carry a handgun while on a motorcycle." For your second question, the Ohio attorney general didn't include a school zone perimeter beyond the school's property line in the update. I know it was something they were looking in to so they must have determined that it didn't apply. But they don't explicitly state that it doesn't apply. From the updated Ohio Attorney General: "Forbidden-Carry Zones Under the law, you may not carry a concealed handgun into the following places:... School safety zones A “school safety zone” includes a school, school building, school premises, school activity, and school bus. For purposes of this statute, a school includes everything up to the property boundary. However, if you have a CHL, you may have a concealed handgun in a school safety zone if you leave the handgun in the motor vehicle, the handgun does not leave the vehicle and, if you leave the vehicle, you lock the vehicle. Permitless carriers are not allowed to carry a firearm into a school safety zone. Doing so is a felony under state and federal law."
@LambosOnly
@LambosOnly 2 жыл бұрын
@@armed2defend Thank you for your response. I'm assuming the definition of a loaded firearm hasn't changed.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
No it hasn't changed the definition of a loaded firearm.
@LambosOnly
@LambosOnly 2 жыл бұрын
@@armed2defend I meant as far as having a magazine with ammo in it in the same case/container as a firearm. I'm guessing that's no longer a law?
@tashaadams363
@tashaadams363 2 жыл бұрын
Can you carry an unregistered sidearm
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question. Good news, Ohio doesn’t have a gun registration so it’s not an issue. When you buy a gun at a dealer they run a background check on you but there isn’t any way they can register a gun in Ohio. When you sell a gun, you don’t have to notify anyone of the sale. I always prefer to do a transfer at a dealer for a record of the sale to protect me from any legal issues. And to make sure that the person I’m selling it to is legally able to own it. But it’s just a background check the dealer does.
@tashaadams363
@tashaadams363 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir you have earned my subscription
@masonhill4065
@masonhill4065 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question regarding carrying in stores. Walmart stores have signs posted saying no open carrying but you can conceal carry if you have a permit/ license. With the new law am I still required to get a permit in order to conceal carry in Walmart or Kroger ?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I haven’t seen those signs before. Can you post a picture? I don’t think they have signs posted. Meijer has no gun signs and they mean no guns at all. So in that case you wouldn’t be able to legally carry there. In Ohio it’s can be a trespass.
@masonhill4065
@masonhill4065 2 жыл бұрын
@@armed2defend I haven't seen the signs. From what I briefly read off google it said Walmart no longer allows open carrying but it allows conceal carrying if you have a license. My question is do I need to have a license to conceal carry in Walmart or is it over written because of the new constitutional carry laws in Ohio
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
@@masonhill4065 good question. In Ohio the store has to notify you since it’s private property. The notification has to be such that a reasonable person would be notified. Typically a sign on the door. Having to google and search for their policy would be unreasonable. Now if they told you personally that you couldn’t carry because some how they knew you had a gun, then you wouldn’t be able to carry. Does that help? It sounds like you’ve done your research, but I just want to point out for others that there are some no carry areas in Ohio that wouldn’t be obvious. Like places of worship. By default you can’t conceal carry in them. The attorney general does a good job explaining it.
@tymz-r-achangin
@tymz-r-achangin 2 жыл бұрын
Please provide the DIRECT link to the OHIO GOVERNMENT page which provides the DIRECT OFFICIAL laws for each of the Permitless, Constitutional, and general laws as well for the concealed & carry. Thank you Everyone needs these links so they can have the direct information for the OFFICIAL laws .
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the message. This isn't a direct link but it has the link to everything you're asking for and more. It has the link to the Ohio Attorney General's official document to summarize the laws but also a link to the actual law changes as passed and signed. armed2defend.com/resources/constitutional-carry-resources/
@andrewbrumagen3479
@andrewbrumagen3479 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to take a class with you guys but I am handicapped. We can visit my girlfriend's sister and her husband and they are armed and licensed too.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome that you want to take our class! We’ve trained over 25,000 people including many with handicaps. So, I assume we’ll be able to accommodate you. Please feel free to contact us for more details about your situation. This website has the details on our upcoming classes: www.armed2defend.com/classes/ohio-concealed-carry-training/
@easymoneyism
@easymoneyism 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a certain amount of rounds your aloud to have in your carry arm before it’s against the law?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Ohio doesn't specify any limit to the number of rounds. Your pants might have a limit if you're carrying in your waistband, lol. Some states do have limits. This website has a good free resource that breaks down the law for all states including Ohio. It makes it easy to find this type of information. a2d.life/map
@godsambient5354
@godsambient5354 2 жыл бұрын
I would stick to no more then 30 + 1 in chamber.
@thepeoplesupdates676
@thepeoplesupdates676 2 жыл бұрын
My cousin keeps saying that carrying with a round in the chamber is illegal. If this is not true please find a sneaky way to send me a link so i can prove to him that ive been right
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. A “loaded gun” can have one in the chamber. There is nothing that says you can’t. If that was the case, the Ohio attorney general would be specific about it in his summary. Does that help?
@paulmcham8112
@paulmcham8112 2 жыл бұрын
Good video
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate your support.
@n3rdpl0w
@n3rdpl0w 2 жыл бұрын
Does the “ qualifying adult” goes to some data base or what?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
There isn't a data base for qualifying adults. It is just based on the adult's background. Say someone is pulled over the officer asks if they have a gun. Yes, they have a gun. Then the officer runs the driver's license and sees disqualifying charges/convictions and knows that the person is illegally carrying since they aren't a qualifying adult. Or if the person is charged with something else and the prosecutor digs deeper and finds the disqualifying charges/convictions. To help determine if you're a qualifying adult, check out the Ohio concealed carry application and answer the questions. If you can truthfully answer them, then you're a qualifying adult. The Ohio attorney General's Law summary also gives some information on it. You can see both of these here: armed2defend.com/resources/after/ I hope that helps.
@dirtyf3018
@dirtyf3018 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the comments carrying into a Meijer grocery, and no gun zones in general, my local Meijer has a sign posted that shows a pale blue/green silhouette of a gun with a black circle and and a strikeout through it. It is tough to spot while walking in. As I understand, Ohio laws require a certain standard that the no gun signs need to meet. I interpret the sign as not illegal to carry concealed in the store based on their sign presentation. Am I misunderstanding the something?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment. Our Meijer has the same sign. It’s small but I didn’t miss it when going in the first time it was posted. Ohio actually doesn’t have a standard for the sign. The AG gives an example of a sign but states that there isn’t a specific sign requirement. Typically an item with a circled strike through is universal for not allowed. 🚫 So a reasonable unbiased person would conclude that a gun with a circle strike would mean no guns allowed. A reasonable person familiar with Ohio’s concealed carry laws would understand that if a sign is posted, then you’re not supposed to conceal carry in that store. Being a responsible concealed carrier, I of course think that it is ignorant to have that restriction. Best we can do is to push back by sending communications, giving negative reviews (very powerful), and not shopping there. Meijer is my favorite grocery store. They have more unique speciality items than then the other stores for our food allergies. But we’ve mostly haven’t shopped there since.
@magicbh76
@magicbh76 2 жыл бұрын
CC okay for non ohio residents while visiting Ohio when they dont have a CC permit in their home state?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for the question! Yes, Ohio allows for all qualifying adults to carry without a license. Be sure that you know what a qualifying adult is though. The video covers it around 7:40.
@ohiotim7099
@ohiotim7099 2 жыл бұрын
How much is your ccw class?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. It’s $110 for the in person class. Our hybrid online classroom and in person range is $97. You can see the details here: www.armed2defend.com/classes/ohio-concealed-carry-training/
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
We have a holiday special through Monday. armed2defend.com/holiday-specials/
@file.c6
@file.c6 2 ай бұрын
can a person without a conceal carry license carry their pistol on their person while in the car? in ohio ofc
@jasonjoker736
@jasonjoker736 2 жыл бұрын
if you have a concealed carry are you still allowed to open carry
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can.
@asphaltcowboy1976ify
@asphaltcowboy1976ify Жыл бұрын
The thing is ur rights don’t start or stop with experience or haveing the money or people’s opinions..
@mandyohiotv3629
@mandyohiotv3629 2 жыл бұрын
Nice content
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Rustyhandle
@Rustyhandle 6 ай бұрын
As a truck driver i will take my chances carrying i go in to some vary bad area's in the united states The cop's are not going to protect me its up to me to protect my self
@MasterRandyHopkins
@MasterRandyHopkins Жыл бұрын
Heads up for Ohio residents Since this video was recorded. It is not required to have any license whatsoever Or to take any firearms safety course.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend Жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the comment. However, I’m not sure what your comment means. The video explains the points you made. I mean, the whole purpose of the video was to explain those points. Those and some other points, but mostly those. So maybe your comment was an announcement to watch the video? Or am I missing something?
@d.j.9961
@d.j.9961 2 жыл бұрын
Though, Ohioan's cannot conceal carry in a vehicle?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
This new law changes that.
@n3rdpl0w
@n3rdpl0w 2 жыл бұрын
Wait can’t teachers carry now with the Constitutional Carry but dropping off my kid, I can’t carry?
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
The constitutional carry doesn't change anything with how teachers can carry in school zones. There is always bad or misunderstood messages out there. Just think of the telephone game that we played as kids. Someone says one thing, the next person hears something else so they say that to the next person and so on. Having your handgun on school grounds (in your car) without a license is a felony offence. It isn't a trespass like carrying in a place with a sign.
@joedoe7839
@joedoe7839 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. However, you lost credibility with me when you said we recommend USCCA. I was with them for over 5 years and switched to CCWSafe because I learned of their recoupment policy. Meaning, if found guilty they will seek all funds back and stop your defense.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
What company are you with?
@JonathanGrandt
@JonathanGrandt 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the most misleading thing about it is calling it constitutional carry.
@n3rdpl0w
@n3rdpl0w 2 жыл бұрын
Concealed Carry means concealed carry! You guys are saying don’t go to these places but you are concealed meaning they won’t know! Lol
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Many have that attitude but there is something to be said for being a law abiding citizen.
@evanjack1466
@evanjack1466 10 ай бұрын
Newsflash everybody has the constitutional right to carry
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 10 ай бұрын
Do the courts agree with that statement?
@jordancarnes7099
@jordancarnes7099 2 жыл бұрын
I'm done with it
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Jordan, what are you done with?
@flyone8350
@flyone8350 3 ай бұрын
none of this is accurate or valid. Here's the real law on guns, least since I can remember. It's guns for cops and their good friends only. Don't believe me? test it. See if a cop who takes issue with you don't take your gun, arrest you on a BS charge. You'll beat the charge or charges in court, but not before a judge rules that you can no longer own and carry. Criminal history on a background check? If you ever been arrested, even with no conviction, that's what it will say and you can't legally have a gun.
@armed2defend
@armed2defend 3 ай бұрын
Not sure you believe this? Can you give me an actual example to support your statement?
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