Ohuhu Bleed-Proof Marker Pad: Truth, Lies, & Omissions

Everyone loves Ohuhu's newest Marker Pad... Really? Let's get real about this severe limitations of this paper and the truth, lies, and omissions from the marker "experts" recommending it.
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[@AmyShulke]

More info about this video and the supplies used for "Tomato Slice" on the resource page here: markernovice.com/best-paper/ohuhu-bleedproof

[@kellyluvskolors2083]

Gratefully Appreciated Amy Thank you sharing your decades of knowledge and warnings of "bad" garbage art materials. $20 is still $20 and I personally don't want to be throwing any of my money into the trash. ❤

[@vermis8344]

Real breath of fresh air to know there's a marker artist on youtube who's not all "new pens, time for swatchies, sparkle sparkle!"

[@AmyShulke]

Okay, you win the Comment of the Day award. I'm still laughing. I really suck at sparkles.

[@vermis8344]

@AmyShulke I feel a _little_ bad for posting that. 😅 I don't use markers, though I'm interested in art processes no matter the medium. The only thing is, most marker artists I've seen on youtube are more - how do I put this without sounding like a snob? - journaller/crafter level. Which is fine, but not precisely what I'm interested in. Soon as I saw your tomato wedge in the thumbnail, I knew I had found the right place. I'm also the kind of person who looks at the 1-star reviews first, on Amazon. I'm sure the seller themselves will tell me what's _right_ with a product, I want to find out what's _wrong_ with it. So doubly appreciative, here.

[@christeepascale4483]

I appreciate your candid, honest, and humorous review. I had no idea this Ohuhu marker paper existed or that it's blowing up the internet. Yes, I'm old. Not old enough to be retired. I'm not a social media luddite or magpie. Just someone with limited creative time and protective of it for that reason. I am grateful that you are willing to take your time to save some of mine. Thanks!

[@AmyShulke]

That's music to my ears, glad to have helped! Your time is valuable and any hobby time should be spent enjoyably, not fighting with bad paper.

[@RowhouseGreetings]

“I think it’s complete crap” 😂😂😂 Don’t sugar coat it Amy!

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks Nancy, you made me splort my iced tea. Love ya.

[@sophieinspired]

„4 out of 5 dentists can tell that this is drawing paper“ 😂 I‘m dying lmao. Love it

[@AmyShulke]

We Trident Gum fans need to stick together.

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

I have the Ohuhu Marker Pad sketchbook (the spiral bound one) and the paper is almost white (barely gray) and very smooth. Yes, I do wish there could be more tooth like the Ohuhu Mixed Media sketchbook (which is my all-time favorite sketchbook) but for a sketchbook that doesn’t bleed with markers, I’m pretty happy. I’ve used Crescent Rendr in the past, but I was still pleased to see the Ohuhu not bleed through with multiple layers. I’m not naive, I was just impressed that it didn’t bleed at a lower price point than Rendr. I hardly used my Rendr sketchbooks because of the price, but with Ohuhu, I’m not precious with it. I’m not sponsored by Ohuhu, and the only things they’ve ever sent me were a set of 2 products they were developing that they wanted beta testers for. I don’t think I can even say what those were. Maybe I didn’t experience this because I mostly use Ohuhu markers on it? (I just saw you addressed this in the video.) I do have some Copics, but I don’t use them as often as the Ohuhus. Maybe they tested the Ohuhu paper with Ohuhu markers. Or maybe it’s because I don’t blend as much as you. I tend to “blend” by using dots or splotches to create texture. I DO agree with one thing. I can’t see the color of the marker I put down if I add a light color. It’s happened with other papers, too, but not often. I have to stop and let the paper dry often. That part is frustrating, I’ll admit. But that’s really the only issue I have with it besides the lack of tooth. It’s fun for a practice sketchbook.

[@QueenofFlannelColors]

This. All of this. I have the smaller book, just because I tend to feel more confident working in a smaller space, and I haven’t had any “issues” with it. I think artists that primarily work in sketchbooks are rightfully giddy over this paper. It’s nice to be able to fill a sketchbook, and not feel like you’re wasting a chunk of your book. It’s designed for a different market and a different purpose than XPI and I don’t think that makes it bad persay.

[@SugaKookieMon]

Yeah, I agree with everything you said. I don't like toothy paper. It uses more ink. That's why watercolor paper isn't recommended for markers.

[@AmyShulke]

I think we agree on the Mixed Media sketchbook. It's by far the best Ohuhu makes and I would recommend it as a economy-grade sketchbook. I've tested the entire Honolulu set because I wanted to recommend it for my beginner students. You can see the results up until I quit in frustration here: markernovice.com/ohuhu-archive Someday, I'll need to wrap up that series of articles with a better ending. But if you think there's a team of Ohuhu scientists developing new marker technology and doing quality control, it couldn't be further from the truth. I also agree with your blending point. I'll be covering that more in Part 2, so hang tight. I just didn't want to make a 40+ minute video and broke the subject into two parts.

[@AmyShulke]

Watercolor paper isn't generally recommended for marker beginners but quite a few of us old timers use it regularly and with great results. It depends upon the paper and your techniques but don't knock it until you've tried it.

[@QueenofFlannelColors]

@@AmyShulke The Ohuhu markers do behave differently than Copic. Just like both Copic and Ohuhu behave differently than Windsor & Newton or any other brand. They all have their quirks, and sometimes those quirks even change depending on the paper. On top of the fact…we all have different styles and techniques. I have both Ohuhu and Copic. I use both for different things. I’ve had issues with both. Copic and I definitely have a love/hate relationship…looking at you Sketch caps. But just because something doesn’t necessarily work for me, doesn’t mean it might not be right for someone else. I try and keep that in mind with any review on a product I’m considering…be it glowingly positive or raging fire negative.

[@huskytail]

Your channel is one of my favorites. I am still gathering my bravery to jump into the markers but whether I manage to do it or not, I still love your channel for its honesty, straightforwardness and humour. Thanks.

[@AmyShulke]

Don't talk yourself out of it. Anyone can do markers! Unless of course, you're weighing markers against watercolor or pencils, etc... choosing a first medium always a tough decision. But if you're just thinking "markers or gardening", then I vote for markers!

[@huskytail]

@@AmyShulke 🤭 no, no gardening for me. I do love watercolors already, they are my first love, but I have always been attracted to markers and pencils as well and wanted to try them.

[@jasia8883]

Thank you Amy for your honesty and sharing your experience

[@AmyShulke]

You are so welcome! I'm a little nervous because it's the first video where I've had to breathe straight fire at a product but ugh. This was sooooooooo bad. I hope my info helps you and others avoid the frustration.

[@LollyPalooza]

Super fabulous review. Thank you for your humorous, educated, and honest opinion! By the way, receiving free products IS sponsorship according to the FTC guidelines. :)

[@AmyShulke]

Ohhhhh, that's interesting. I never thought to look at what counts legally as a sponsorship. See? I know markers but I'd make a lousy attorney, tax advisor, or accountant. Thanks for the info and thanks for watching!

[@gwenster]

Do I use markers? I do not. Did I enjoy the thorough and professional breakdown of an influencer darling brand? Oh yeah.

[@AmyShulke]

In this case, they deserve it. A whole lotta lying going on. I wasted my money but others don't have to. Thanks for watching!

[@HeyLauraVan]

Same!!

[@gwenster]

@@AmyShulkeI appreciate you! I wasted time and money on an oh so hyped watercolor journal from one of these brands. Never again!

[@AmyShulke]

I honestly don't remember this kind of rip-off stuff happening back when I was in art school, but then again, we only had a few stores and a small number of art supply companies. I pinched a lot of pennies to buy tools and supplies but I do not remember ever getting something home and having it fail the way so many products do now. And maybe it's just a Gen X thing but I really don't understand people loyally defending questionable products. Guess they didn't have the same Sea Monkey experience growing up.

[@GwyllionFaye]

I absolutely love your sense of humor as well as your honesty. It took a long time (and a a lot of wasted money) to learn to ignore the hype and just go with the better supplies. I was one of those that starred when the Copic craze hit with the stampers and card makers many, many moons ago… I never learned how to properly use my Copics and there they sat for many years as I gave up. I was overjoyed to find your channel/website. It gave me new hope and well as confidence… yes I can do this! Thank you so very much 💜

[@AmyShulke]

Awww, thanks. This was great to read. To be fair, I'm honestly not sure what was worse-- you hit markers at the height of the craze when there was soooooo much bad info out there. Meanwhile back when I started, I was given a list of 15 marker colors and told which hole-in-the-wall store to find them at. I swear, the list was a weird assortment and then it said "choose 20-30 of your liking". I was 18 and had no idea what I was even buying. Zero info. So I guess we never start off right. Either that or you and I have been missing the monthly artist info meetings. LOL.

[@FuzzyDoxie]

Thanks for an honest review. I’m a paper perfectionist and always looking for the best and considered trying this, you saved me. Please review the Ohuhu markers, everyone says how great they are but I don’t see it. Their caps color don’t match the ink and I feel the colors are flat. I’d love to hear your review.

[@AmyShulke]

I gave up in frustration and pure anger: markernovice.com/ohuhu-archive

[@LittlePhos768]

Thanks for the honest review. I've seen so many review videos of this product. In the videos it was obvious how badly the colors were laying down but none of the artists commented on it.

[@AmyShulke]

Yep, that's exactly what changed the tone of this video from my original plan. I found the paper didn't work, then went looking for anyone, literally any one person who mentioned blending issues. What I found were people literally showing us terribly bad blends while singing "OMG, I love this!!!"

[@kirstinenichols6440]

Thank you for your honest review. I learned alot about paper and it validated some of the issues I ran into. I got caught up in the hype and purchased this sketchbook. As someone who only does this as a hobby, it is scary to shell out tons of money for the big brands. That and I’ve read lots of reviews online that Rendr paper quality has gone down so this seemed like a safe alternative. I honestly thought I was crazy when I laid down my skin tone colors and they showed up as gray. 😭 It definitely doesn’t bleed through as advertised but that’s about it.

[@AmyShulke]

I totally understand. It is scary to invest in art supplies; no matter what medium you choose, the real stuff is always expensive. I think because markers got trendy and because we're not able to mix colors on a palette, it's probably more expensive to start markers than other art forms. Just know, when something cheap fails, it's not you. I've seen so many students improve just by putting a better marker in their hand and by working on better paper. Same techniques, same skills, just better supplies-- it makes a world of difference.

[@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462]

Omg I was thinking about getting this 2 hours ago, but decided to look up reviews for it just to be sure and found this one!! tysm for talking about the issues you had with this! Now I'm thinking about getting the strathmore bristol smooth or canson marker pad, but I'm not sure which would be better/would take full alcohol marker rendering better?

[@AmyShulke]

@@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462 It’s funny but I tend not to like any paper with marker in the title. Canson makes a couple marker papers but they’re thin for sketching, not full blending or rendering.

[@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462]

@@AmyShulke Thank you!

[@SugarPlum-s5m]

Kind of an odd question, but does it curl or buckle when wet? I paint with various media and am always looking for a cheap practice/scratch surface that i dont have to primer first. Marker paper having that foil inside, maybe it can take a few layers of smooth flat (not thick or impasto) paint without warping? I know acrylic/oil painting pads exist, but i did say cheap.

[@AmyShulke]

Yes, there's a slight buckle when dampened with alcohol which eventually flattens again. It's not designed for use with water so it does pill. I've seen worse pilling and I'm not sure how it'd do with acrylic-- but I know I'd never use watercolor on it and I'm iffy about gesso.

[@brianfairweather7298]

New sub here! Love you channel and professional perspective and opinions on things. Looking forward in watching past video.

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks and welcome to the channel. Please let me know if there's a subject you're interested in. I can't promise a quick turnaround but I do address student & viewer questions in my videos :)

[@lesleyegbert4807]

LOL at the linebacker analogy! Thanks so much for speaking the truth, in spite of the defensive comments you'll receive from folks who have purchased the paper already.

[@AmyShulke]

I think you're right. So far the comments are fine but I'm expecting some lash-outs. A lot of people seem very invested in Ohuhu.

[@RowhouseGreetings]

@@AmyShulkeI suspect they are more invested in the markers than the paper. Many who buy the markers are convinced they’ve one upped Copic.

[@AmyShulke]

@@RowhouseGreetings Totally agree. It's easier to pretend these products are great than to delay gratification and pinch pennies until one can buy the artist grade products which actually work.

[@spencerallegra]

I love the sass in this video!! Get ‘em Miss Amy!!

[@AmyShulke]

LOL. Thanks.

[@kahvinetic]

this candid review is refreshing and appreciated...❤

[@AmyShulke]

I'm so glad you found it worth the time. Hopefully it saves you money, frustration, or both!

[@MegaCapricorn73]

There are reviews that I’ve watched do mention complaints about the grey paper and long drying time near the end of some videos, and also explain how they might prefer a different paper that fits their art form (like Sara Tepes), but I understand how the hype for a new shiny thing can get to the viewers head’s (and I think the main reason for the hype is being able to use both sides of a *sketch*book with less paper waste, not for professional use). Overhyping art supplies isn’t new tho; back when art KZbin was younger, the hype for Copic sketch markers and white Sakura jelly rolls were IMMENSE in every art-related video I’ve seen. But there wasn’t much for me to do back then with only enough to afford 3 Copic Markers 😅. The thing about expensive supplies for a beginner is also the added fear of ‘not being good enough’ with a limited supply of materials that are exceptional quality. There wasn’t much to do with a few Copic markers and Ohuhu really helped when they came out with brush markers ‘cuz I could experiment more. I honestly think the best thing for reviews like this to explain to beginners and amateurs is to not feel insecure about using cheap art supplies to get by, but recommend art supplies that feels like a middle ground before getting to the expensive. Strathmore/Canson books have a reasonable amount of paper types to try. Finecolour EF102 and EF103 are the closet to cheap Copics with similar nibs and refills , and idk why there isn’t much talk about them like with Ohuhu (but you can only buy them on AliExpress for some reason so maybe that’s why 😔).

[@lucychan7938]

And finally someone mentioned Finecolour!!! This is the real cheap Copic alternatives for Chinese marker artists rather than Ohuhu. And in my memory, before the Ohuhu videos overflows, some artists did recommend Finecolour as one of the cheaper Copic alternatives.

[@AmyShulke]

Hi Mega, good points. The fact that a hand full of videos mention the problems with this paper doesn't negate the point that the vast majority do not. And when the problems are only briefly mentioned in between OMGs and WOWs, I'm not sure the weak cautionary messages even count. Even worse, when the downsides are mentioned in a video aimed at an audience of pure fans who would admire the artistry of this person's grocery list? People will deliberately run out and buy the paper anyway. "If it works for her, it will work for me too" is exactly what Ohuhu is counting on. I think your third paragraph sounds like an excellent format for videos and you should start making them. I'm not being sarcastic with that statement. I truly think it sounds like you believe in something and that's an excellent starting point for a channel. But I can't make videos with your voice and beliefs. I think insecurity is good common sense pointing out the flaws in our iffy, half-baked plans. So if you're insecure about the quality of your art or art supplies, then one should explore why your brain keeps circling around this insecurity. I know it's not a popular opinion but I firmly believe that insecurities are often 100% correct. Here's what I care passionately about: I've lost count of the number of students who tell me, "You would not believe how much money/time I've wasted trying to do this and I really thought I wasn't good enough." THAT's what cheap art supplies in the hands of beginners do. They're destructive, not instructive. That's my starting point for these review videos. If you want a different kind of review, you'll need to find a different channel.

[@MegaCapricorn73]

@@AmyShulke I understand that your channel is something based on your experience and knowledge so asking for something else wouldn’t be genuine. And I think that’s part of the problem to why so many people want to put so many eggs in their baskets when it comes to ‘new trends’ they’ll probably not use after a week. Like you see the aftermath of people being ‘gifted’ all these art supplies without saying no with some not using them for yrs. Thanks for saying I should make a channel, it’s been on my mind for years, but the planning to actually start it was in 2020 and..you know how that turned out. Things are less stressful now and I’ve grown from the unhealthy mindset to ‘make this *perfect* thing to put out there’s but it’ll take a while for me to make a video that **I’d** want to watch. And with all the art stuff I’ve collected over the yrs. decision paralysis among other things sets in.

[@MegaCapricorn73]

@@lucychan7938 Saw your comments about and seriously! No one recommends Finecolour as an Ohuhu/Copic alternative like it doesn’t exist. I’m not even sure if ethics is a problem ‘cuz people would rather show those abysmal quality Touch markers from the same sites. And now the new hit Copic alternative is Olo markers so there’s that 💁. I only stumbled on Finecolour markers on AliExpress while looking for Arrtx markers and could choose MY OWN COLORS and not just pre-made sets (and from it having more colors than Copic at 480). From the videos I’ve seen on KZbin the ones I’d watch were in Vietnamese and Russian and noticed something. There was some videos about a new Russian brand of markers that I forgot the name of being sold as expensive as Copic and I went ‘Aren’t those just Finecolours!?’ They were literally selling the same product down to the detail and slapped a different name on it (‘Sketchmarker’ or something? idk). So it feels like other countries already have a better alternative to Copics this whole time, but people here don’t know much about it ‘cuz Copic and Ohuhu-type companies have a vice grip on the art community rn.

[@MegaCapricorn73]

@@lucychan7938 I made a whole comment and even though it said it ‘sent’ it didn’t and I didn’t even know ‘til just now. Our internet cable got cut and we’ve had to use our data and I went outside to type my reply and thought it sent but it DIDN’T 😞

[@bethmegansmith4642]

I am in the UK and not an Artist . I use coloring books ,but been looking for a paper for my Ciao Copic makers . thank you so much for this video . this is Brillant thank you .New Sub UK

[@AmyShulke]

You are so welcome! It's so helpful to hear how viewers use their markers. Thanks for the info!

[@bethmegansmith4642]

@@AmyShulke 🥰

[@JokeMenu]

Which size is best for this sketchbook please tell me anyone helppp❤😢

[@lucychan7938]

To be honest, even Ohuhu is made in China, it's actually not popular among the Chinese art marker users. Copic is surely ranked the top among the Chinese marker artists but since the price is very high for them so many art students use other Chinese brands instead. Finecolour is the best local art marker brand among the local Chinese instead of Ohuhu. Ohuhu is really a over-hyped and heavily advertised Made in China product to me. And from your ohuhu test on your website, I somehow believe even some of the better Chinese marker brand like Finecolour and Croma behave better than Ohuhu though they are not comparable to copic. Moreover, in China it's easy to get these brands'refills in all colours around $1-1.5usd each but ohuhu cannot provide refills for each colours and sell them much more expensive than the local Chinese brands.

[@AmyShulke]

This is soooo interesting to read! It kinda confirms my suspicions... it feels like Ohuhu had an empty plastics plant and took advantage of a few US/China trade law holes... They figured they could make easy money here. Judging from all the Ohuhuites, they were totally right. If they ever intended to sell to the Chinese market, I don't think they would have invented the fake Hawaii story. That right there says they always intended to go after Americans.

[@israelsanchez1225]

Hey, Amy! Thanks for the honest review. What are your thoughts on Crescent Rendr? Its been my favorite marker paper since I first discovered it 6 years ago. But I did purchase one of their sketchbooks once that ended up leaving that shiny residue. So I don't think the quality is consistent between them. I'm searching for reviews that you've done on them but can't find any! Would love to hear your opinion / tips!

[@AmyShulke]

I bought Rendr (Crescent) and The Wall (Canson) back when each first came out. Somehow lost the large Rendr pad when we moved house 2 years ago. For testing a few months ago, I bought a small Rendr 3x5 journal because I remember not loving it before. Of the two, I really liked The Wall and it blended much easier than Rendr. The one benefit to Rendr is that it's toothier and thus better with mixed media. But I have to confess that as a print/reproduction artist, the idea of coloring on both sides makes me shudder and so I'm definitely not the target audience for dual sided anything. This was pretty much the same conclusion I came to again in my paper livestream. kzbin.infoLvojq6W2ev0 Both are MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the Ohuhu pad in today's video. Since I lost the older pad, I can't say I noticed a difference between current Rendr and classic Rendr. If you like Rendr, try Bristol. It's not dual sided but also won't give you the shiny residue. BTW, the shine is what happens when the paper fibers become over-saturated and can't hold more ink. Reduce the number of layers and you won't see a metallic glint or even the stickiness that happens when over-over-saturating. I just started the paper series so give me some time to work through my stash. I've got a ton of paper (as seen in the livestream) plus more still in moving boxes in the attic. Rendr and The Wall will both get covered eventually.

[@israelsanchez1225]

@@AmyShulke Very thorough and detailed response. I appreciate your time and feedback. Thank you so much!

[@tea.23]

I see this as only nitpicking and personal experience! and you contradicted yourself in the beginning when you said what's best for you is different than the other! AND THIS PAPER ISN'T FOR YOU! you really give me the idea that you think people who use this paper and enjoy it are stupid for saying its good! Heck I use cheap paper and I'm content!

[@canidcourier]

This is the first of your videos I'm seeing and I've instantly subbed - love your honesty and humour. I'm new to alcohol markers, I'm a little annoyed at myself that I was convinced to buy this marker pad cos I got it and haaaated it. I don't know what to do with the damned thing now (I guess it reminds me not to be suckered again =P) The worst part is I've always been really hesitant and sceptical over buying a brand/product that is sponsoring reviews of all my favourite/popular art youtubers cos there's clear bias there. The idea of bleedproof paper seemed too tantalising to pass up at the time, but I've since realised that I don't care about bleedthrough. Using both sides and filling up the whole paper with drawings/colour feels like another pressure from aesthetic sketchbook social media that I've dropped and I feel a lot happier (and my art is improving much more).

[@AmyShulke]

I've since tested and can honestly say, the bleedproof pad also makes a lousy doorstop. I'll let you know if I find a good use for it. :)

[@ghoulchan7525]

maybe just use it as a junk sketchbook where you draw whatever. with whatever medium and just do stuff. have fun. use anything you feel like that at moment. even if it's just thumbnails for bigger artpieces. sketchbooks are allowed to be messy and have whatever in it. it's a Sketch-Book. not a Finished portfolio book like social media likes you too believe. but if you do want to dedicate a sketchbook to cool full pieces. eh your choice too.

[@danielleluna100]

Hey new subscriber and first time watcher. I personally think you’re witty and just hilarious. But the information you are providing is aaaamazing! IM SO GLAD I DIDNT BUY THAT PAPER! 😂😂😂 the reviews were too ridiculous. No one cared HOW the drawing EXPERIENCE was. Just about how it didn’t bleed through and I was so confused bc (you said it eloquently lol) 😢bleed proof paper isn’t new! I am so glad I found your channel. I love artists who can ALSO teach, you are GEMS 💎! ❤

[@AmyShulke]

Thank you so much! I appreciate the feedback and subscription but also, THANK YOU for confirming that I wasn't the only one to smell a rat. Sometimes I worry that I'm too cynical. In this case, it was justified but yes, my Spidey senses were tingling after the fourth "OMG it doesn't bleed" video and by the 20th, I was sick of it. Please let me know what you think of the next video coming on Friday, tomato part 2!

[@Ragnorok64]

Thumbnail gave me pause and I just about tapped out at the beginning when you started with the KZbinr Exasperated Sigh Into the Camera, but I stuck through and you do bring up some good points. I was also conscious of how thin the paper must be since it's at least 3 layers and overall page is quite thin. I'm glad to finally see someone show what the liquid resistant inner layer looks like. I was aware of the gray appearance of lighter colors until they dry specifically from review videos, so there are those that are showing that. I do believe there is something to be said about setting expectations. I would always consider this paper to have value as a sketchbook that allows you to get sketches on both sides of the page, increasing overall value. I don't think anyone should expect this to be the paper where they do highly rendered or commissioned artwork. I'm not sure all content creators are properly setting that expectation, especially when you consider how many of their viewers may be younger.

[@AmyShulke]

I wasn't aware of a KZbinr exasperated sigh. I roll my eyes a lot in real life so it seemed a natural way to sum up my feelings without saying anything. Given that I watch a lot of gardening, farming, and biz videos, I'm not seeing a lot of eyerolls, LOL. As for sketchbooks, I'm from the generation that considers them disposable. My sketchbooks are full of scribbles and idea dumps, totally not worth sharing with anyone. Heck, half my pages have to-do lists and reminders in the corners. But I think younger artists are creating sketchbooks as a final piece of art, something to be treasured and shared. That's an incredible amount of pressure on a young artist if they're assuming that every page should be a masterpiece of design, composition, and rendering skill. If that's the case, they're doomed to failure when they choose a paper this bad.

[@ghoulchan7525]

@@AmyShulke i think the whole "every page must be perfect" comes from the amount of flip troughs or sketchbook tours people see on social media. which are basically mini portfolio books at this point. so people think that's what it's for. instead of just sketches. random stuff. thumbnails and what not.

[@puncia6778]

You helped me choose the right paper for markers. I wantend to buy Ohuhu Bleedproof Pad but now i go with RENDR now.Thank you so much! 💪♥

[@AmyShulke]

I'm glad to have helped. Also keep in mind that as your skills grow, your taste in paper may change. If you start to feel frustration with the paper you're working on, any kind of friction is a sign you're due for an upgrade.

[@Oozaru85]

Ur not the only person in the world who hates this paper. I odered it a few days ago and I hated it too. The actual sheets are too thin, ink takes forever to dry. I used several different pigment liner brands on this paper, which I've been using with my alcohol markers on other papers multiple times. So, fineliners that are 100% alcohol marker proof. On this paper tho, they all smeared. I let them dry for 20 minutes and they still all smeared. I've never experienced anyting like it on my other marker papers. I returned it the other day. I'm just glad I ordered it from A-zon, not directly from Ohuhu. So, yeah. Never again. They had the chance to make a proper marker paper this time. Instead they released a bad Rendr knock-off.

[@AmyShulke]

Welcome to my Disgruntled Marker Artist's Club. The beanie hat and membership card are in the mail! I totally agree. Their mixed media paper wasn't terrible with markers and I hoped they had made a mission change and would start serving the marker market with something more than cheap versions of everything already invented. I don't know why but I really wanted this paper to be good.

[@CallMeCJorDandy]

17:25 Even the M&M is also taking the big ugly goo dis-coloration 🤣

[@jlstiles_artist]

I can’t thank you enough for this perfectly timed video! I purchased both of those no bleed paper pads recently and had yet to try them (I purchased based on all the raving reviews!). I am within two days of the return window closing to Amazon so I was able to package and start the return luckily! Fingers crossed UPS stops today! Thank you!

[@AmyShulke]

Wow, the timing!!! I wish there had been some dissenting info when I purchased because like you, there was nothing but 5 stars and gushing when I looked for info on it. Looks like you do some beautiful graphite work. What's your preferred paper right now?

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

You returned it just based on this review? Without trying it? I have the sketchbook and I like it. The paper is much smoother than I usually like, but it doesn’t bleed no matter how may layers of marker I add, and the markers blend really well. I wish it had more tooth, but for a sketchbook that doesn’t bleed I’m really enjoying it. Also, the Ohuhu Mixed Media sketchbook with the textured black hard cover is my favorite sketchbook. It has tooth and takes most media well.

[@jlstiles_artist]

@@tarabooartarmy3654 I actually didn’t catch the UPS man in time so now I will just end up using them since I’ve paid for them. I bought the black cover ones as well a while back and they seem like descent paper.

[@AmyShulke]

Which black cover one? I actually like the mixed media pad. It's not top of my list but it's not bad. Try working with that one.

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

@@AmyShulke they have a hardcover mixed media sketchbook that comes in a few sizes. I use the square one. It has a slightly toothy paper that works well for most media. Love it.

[@cherij9008]

You're just so hilarious 😂! Great video!

[@AmyShulke]

Glad you enjoyed it! I have a tendency to get into the weeds on things, so I'm glad you appreciate the sarcastic breaks.

[@keva_artwork]

Thank you for your honesty. ❤ It saves me from buying this paper. I do have the one you showed at the beginning but only use it for sketching. I use The Wall from Canson mostly. I have tried Copic markers but didn't like them but after watching one of your other videos I now know what the problem was. So I'm gonna do a lot of saving to be able to get Copic markers in the future. Already know the Copic Sketch are the ones for me. But it's gonna take a long time so for now Ohuhu and a few others will have to do. 🤥Yes I know, but those are the once I have and can afford. 🤣 And my husband doesn't agree that expensive means better, so I'll need to work on that too. 😂😂

[@AmyShulke]

I first investigated Ohuhu as a starter option for Copic, thinking that when your O marker ran dry, you could replace it with a similar Copic. That made total sense to me until I started testing the Ohuhu ink. I'm still open to finding an inexpensive brand to use as a launchpad into better markers. BTW, I agree with your husband that expensive doesn't mean better... But I'd also say that quality controlled ink designed to blend is most definitely better than bargain-bin dyes from shady manufacturers who don't know much about markers.

[@angiadcock8196]

There are only like 2 people I trust about marker paper. Most people think Neenah paper is acceptable for markers. KZbinrs don’t actually make art with these supplies so their opinions are invalid.

[@sakuranamu6039]

i really appreciate the honesty ;;; ive bought some ohuhus and was wondering what marker pad i should get- i was getting tired of the copy paste praise script,,, what marker pad/sketchbook would you recommend?

[@AmyShulke]

If you check my livestream area, all of the Draw & Color series use the same sketchbook: kzbin.infoIJk25D20cIc The pad I'm using is at Amazon here: amzn.to/3WSPPRC

[@melizzavelez6823]

Great video. You’ve saved me the heartbreak. Thank you!

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks! What paper are you working on now? I'm keeping a list of brands to cover in the future.

[@tbababyyyyyy]

This is a great video and extremely informational, I just got my first pair of alcohol markers (ohuhu's 48 set) this year and had no idea how crucial paper is and how specific you can get with it! The information you provide is amazing and really easy to absorb, i hope you make more videos like this :)

[@AmyShulke]

@@tbababyyyyyy Thanks! What paper are you using now?

[@1RealRoyalPain]

I absolutely love your honesty! Thank you so much

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks for letting me know. I was so nervous about releasing this info but the more I watched new videos and shorts come out praising it, the more I realized someone really needed to say something.

[@KaeCray]

I love all the honest info! Thank you. You have subscriber out of me. To be honest, I think it would have been just as good of not better without bashing others.

[@AmyShulke]

So I should be honest but not too honest?

[@KaeCray]

I think that bringing the newbies into it do not make your points any more or less valid. I think you are a wealth of knowledge! This was the first video of yours I came across and it made me feel a little uncomfortable, but that could be me projecting my own feelings, as I have been trying to not speak so harshly onto others. I could see cautioning people against taking everyone at their word in their reviews and as to why. It felt like that point was pushed a little hard. I have watched some of your other content since and noticed a difference in this video vs your other ones. Now I feel like this may just be a review you were passionate about. Like it was a product that you finally tried after social media kept pushing it so hard, just for it to not even be mid. I cannot fault anyone for that. Your stuff is great! Keep up the amazing work.

[@AmyShulke]

@@KaeCray Thanks for explaining. I should say, you're probably not going to like today's video because I really do feel strongly that KZbinrs and sponsored "gift" reviews are doing serious harm to the marker world and to the enjoyment of this art form.

[@heatherwarner865]

Loved your humor. I had to keep pausing because I was laughing so hard. When I first got into markers, I was so blessed to have found you first rather than the myriad of KZbinrs. Your tutorials changed the way I color everything and why I kept purchasing my Copics... even just 1 at a time as I could afford them. I can't wait for part 2. I get a lot of flack for sending people to X-Press It paper...hobbyists tend to be cheapskates, not realizing they spend more money on fad junk than if they would have bought the good stuff the first time. Yes, it's expensive but also very forgiving if you make an oops. If you watch for proper sales you can find it at good prices and you can actually learn proper technique that makes you better rather than working on junk and believing its all you...nope its not you, its the junk products holding you back.

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks Heather. I get the same thing about XPI, so much so that at one point, I had blinking red letters on the foundations course that it was XPI or don't buy the course. Constant emails "can't you make an exception for me, pretty please?" Ugh. And no, I won't be teaching the next livestream in a bikini.

[@heatherwarner865]

@AmyShulke if I would have asked my art professor (Ed Valentine at Ohio State) in college to change his syllabus and supply list he would have booted my butt to the door. I was a history major and his class was the hardest class I ever took. I still can't draw a face to save my life but I can knock a still life out of the park with patience. People want to half-ass technique and get mad at the teacher because they are failing to learn.

[@AmyShulke]

@@heatherwarner865 LOL, I once sighed a little too loudly in an industrial drawing class. First and only time I ever made that mistake. Yes sir, thank you sir, please let me draw it a sixth time sir.

[@G.G.-nt2mi]

I'm trying to learn how to best use the faber pitt brush markers

[@AmyShulke]

Sorry, I can't help. I only have the white and it's been years since I've touched it.

[@breamakesart4543]

Thanks for the review! I tested this paper on a much simpler, more stylized piece and I liked it for that. Granted, I did not do as much blending as you did. I did notice the grayness when you put down a light color and that really threw me off, and made it difficult to know if I was getting the results I wanted.

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks for confirming the gray factor. I think it helps when people read the comments to see that we're not just irrational haters. The grayness wasn't the real turnoff for me, it was how dark the gray was and how eternally long the gray lasted. The duration turned an inconvenience into an impossiblity. I appreciate you taking the time to share and thanks for watching too!

[@titanstogether5405]

Hi Amy! I really appreciate your review because I was not convinced about the bleedproof marker pad specifically about that grey barrier (2 minutes is too much), I do have ohuhu markers (the smaller sets) and as a person who only does this for fun I feel like they are ok for me at least haha. Did you try the other marker pad from Ohuhu (not the mixed media one)? My canson bristol pad is running out of pages so Im looking for a future replacement and that Ohuhu marker pad for now is a candidate for me, so I would like to know if that pad is at least decent in quality in case that you tested it out of camera. Btw, I join the opinion thats here in the comments section about the Finecolour brush markers, I have a lot of their markers and the colors and nibs are so similar to Copic. In case you are interested to check them out!

[@AmyShulke]

I have both the Ohuhu Mix Media (hate that name) and the Marker spiral books. I know it sounds weird but I actually like the Mix paper for markers better than the Marker paper. The blends came easier and look better.

[@gingerfloof9882]

I bought this this product and had the same thoughts! What marker paper would you recommend for alcohol markers? I’ve used mixed media pads from canson and it bleeds a lot but blends pretty well. I’ve been thinking about getting Neenah card stock or strath more smooth Bristol, or maybe borden and Riley Paris paper? Mixed media is very absorbent but I want to conserve ink in my copics so I can save money.

[@AmyShulke]

Avoid mixed media paper because I find it to be more thirsty than some watercolor papers. I do my marker + colored pencil mixed media on Strathmore 300 which I cover in depth in the kiwi video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHXIaHtqatOeoMk

[@SugaKookieMon]

Canson Bristol has been my favorite. There's ghosting but no bleeding.

[@gingerfloof9882]

@@SugaKookieMon Thank you! I love the canson brand, so I’ll definitely be trying that out.

[@blinkybli8326]

Thanks for the video and your honest opinion. I'm tired of seeing crappy products hawked on social media, products that are clearly subpar even from the brief demonstrations in the videos. I even commented once that the acrylic markers being hawked looked like they were scratching and eating up the paper; the creator bent over backwards claiming it wasn't the case and it had something to do with the quality of the video. Really? We're starving artists, not stupid artists.

[@AmyShulke]

I rarely comment on videos but with some videos, my mental commentary is just nonstop. What passes for blending is sooooooo not on the same level as a decade ago... and that's actually fine with me EXCEPT when you're telling me nonstop in the video how great the blends are. It's like if you say it enough, it'll magically come true.

[@TsukabuNosoratori2]

Thank you for this, I'll stick to my Strathmore papers. I know how to use my markers and pens best with it. I like the ohuhu markers and pens, but I'll just stick to those materials. Probably saved me money and disappointment here.

[@AmyShulke]

That's actually a great point-- you're comfortable with your current paper and unless there's some big issue preventing you from getting the effects you want, I think it's smart to stick to what you know. If you're thinking about the paper, then something's wrong with the paper. It should always work for you silently in the background. Thanks for watching!

[@wisp0099]

This comment isn't going to be completely on topic for the paper pad in the video, but as someone with a huge set of Ohuhu markers (the 200-and-however-many-it-is-I-don't-want-to-check set) who loves them, I wanted to thank you for giving your honest opinion on your website. As much as I love my markers, there are things that have bothered me about them for years, like the nonsensical names and the color-code system which you brought up in your review on the website. Recently I was really bothered when I saw a youtube video comparing Ohuhus to Copics that claimed Ohuhus were just as good as Copics for professional usage, without mentioning the fact that Ohuhus have abysmal lightfastness. Lightfastness is something that I don't worry about, as someone who uses my alcohol markers exclusively for fun, and I feel like it's an acceptable tradeoff for a lower price point, but it would be a massive issue for someone using them in professional avenues. Not mentioning it felt off. I'm also frustrated by the similarity of a good number of their colors. I went through once comparing swatches and testing colors, and counted all the markers I felt were close enough to another color that they were redundant, and I don't recall the number I came up with, but I was not happy about it. There shouldn't be five pinks that are nigh imperceptibly different in value. I've had some iffy feelings about the brand for a while now as prices rose, and the quality of some of their other products (specifically, some of their water markers, which is the only other supply they sell that I've tried) was less than quality. Your article made me realize, though, a lot that I've been missing. I've only ever used Ohuhus, never another brand of alcohol marker, but I had watched plenty of artists use Copics on youtube before I got my first set, and I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong with blending, and the colorless blender, and the like, because I wasn't getting the results and effects I felt like I should. Honestly, eventually I figured that it was a problem with the paper and I just wasn't able to figure out what kind of paper would work best, and then shrugged and learned to work around the issues (and I definitely adapted, finding a style and a process that works within the markers' limitations and lets me create pieces I love), but reading your article made the lightbulb turn on in my brain after however many years it's been. I don't totally agree that Ohuhus aren't worth spending any money on. The relative pricing means there was no way I would ever have been able to try alcohol markers if Ohuhus hadn't been around to try, and having the opportunity to work with even an inferior set made me fall totally in love with the medium that is now my favorite, hands down, so I can't regret the opportunity they gave me. In my opinion, a small set is good to try out the medium when you don't know whether or not you'll like it, enough to give someone a taste of what they can do. But if you really love alcohol markers, it seems like you should probably go for Copic. I wish I had the money to go out and buy some right now, because now that I'm aware of a little more of the differences I am very, very, very curious to try them out and see if the difference is as big as it sounds, but unfortunately I need things like food and gasoline that cut into my art-supply budget. I am apparently incapable of being concise but I will try to boil it down. Thank you for your honest review of the products, both the good and the bad. I appreciate it and I wish someone had really made the differences clear, sooner, so maybe I could have a few Copics by now, but ah well.

[@AmyShulke]

This was great to read and I'm very glad you shared your experience and thoughts. I agree that we need a good entry-level set of markers for people to sample. Copic introduced the Ciao line to meet this need but then blew it on the pricing. Ciao were less expensive but still not an easy, affordable purchase. And I'm still looking for a marker brand that's easy to suggest to the fence sitters who are interested in markers but wisely hesitant. I would love to see a set of 24 versatile inexpensive colors that I could run a half dozen beginner classes with. Then if the student wanted to explore further, as each of the 24 dried out, they replaced it with a matching Copic. Seems like a simple dream but so far, no joy.

[@kassaArt]

Just found you - thank goodness as I'm desperately looking for honesty!

[@AmyShulke]

Just looked at your channel. I love the gold and violet tones in your skin experiments.

[@kassaArt]

@@AmyShulke thanks so much.. wish I'd seen your tutorials beforehand!

[@leftminnow]

I appreciate this critique on the paper. I'm very new to marker art, I've never seen bleed through paper before, and I honestly really like Ohuhu's for the monthish that I've had some stuff from them. I'm super happy to hear that Canson has their own, I'll have to try that out next time I have more sketchbook money. But as someone just playing with the medium, I've been pretty happy with Ohuhu's products. The price point allows people to play around and get a feel for it without having to spend hundreds of dollars.

[@AmyShulke]

I totally understand your point and I bought the full Ohuhu set fully intending to recommend them as a starter marker before students upgraded to Copic. Unfortunately, the inks they use are soooo bad and the Ohuhu numbering system has people wasting hours swatching... even then, the colors that look like they should blend on the chart don't blend as they should... I could go on and on about this but I'm not sure you'll hear me if you're truly sold on Ohuhu. Anyway, Ohuhu gives alcohol markers a bad name and you don't realize it yet because you're new. Think of it like chocolate-- dollar store chocolate flavored Easter Bunnies are pretty tasty if you've never tried good chocolate. And once you try the good chocolate, it's hard to go back to the light brown hollow kid stuff.

[@leftminnow]

@@AmyShulke I totally hear you! I guess probably because I'm not doing any kind of professional work or commissions and just testing things out, a cheap price and a fun supply is all I need at the moment. They are really hyped up and send out a lot of supplies to "art influencers", so it is nice to hear of the draw backs, even if I haven't encountered them yet so I can expect and try to mitigate problems. I'm really excited to try the Canson marker paper, I hold a lot more brand loyalty with them than Ohuhu, 90% of my sketch books are Canson because they are also pretty affordable, come in so many size/varieties/thickness/ect. I love their mixed media paper because I hop from one hobby to another pretty frequently, which is why I'm happy with my dollar store chocolate for now 😊 I really like your slices by the way! I find myself drawing random fruits and vegetables when I'm testing out new supplies as well

[@noellec27]

That thumbnail has me wheezing! 😂

[@AmyShulke]

LOL. That was fun. Glad you appreciated it.

[@thereghell]

I like the honest review of the product. I myself was dissapointed in how grey it was. But I believe you can critizise a product without making fun of others.

[@AmyShulke]

Thanks for watching.

[@karenpulice3970]

Would you recommend Strathmore Marker paper for Copic coloring?

[@AmyShulke]

Depends upon what you're using it for. Marker paper was developed for design sketching, not for full rendering or blending. I use a ton of marker paper-- but not for a project like this tomato. You can see me drawing and inking on marker paper in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5rPq5-riLFkn9U

[@kassaArt]

Your artwork is amazing!!!!

[@AmyShulke]

Thank you so much 😀

[@bobbyspapercraft]

👏👏👏👏👏 brilliant. I wish all reviews for this honest.

[@AmyShulke]

I appreciate that! The way I see it, we don't have to agree but we do need to start with honesty. Thanks for watching but thanks even more for commenting. I appreciate your time.

I truly feel like these brands like Ohuhu and Arteza are doing them self a disservice by sending out huge pr to everyone on KZbin. Is it fun for us to see new art materials, yes. But the value seem so much less when everyone gets a huge bag of markers and asked to do the same type of video. They all hit the same talking points and never question stuff, like the greyness in this paper. So if I search, just like you said, all the videos are made from the same group of people. If I wanted an opinion about FC polychromos I can find the whole spectrum (spectrum because color!) of pros and cons. I get that sending supplies to KZbiner is a fairly cheap marketing way but it makes someone like me very suspicious 🥸 also love the video and have subscribed ❤

[@AmyShulke]

I totally agree. The information on Ohuhu is incredibly one sided because of their intensive marketing campaign. They forced their product to trend and now that it's trendy, the people who rightly feel cheated and misled are reluctant to go against popular opinion. But then again, Ohuhu was a plastic company making camping equipment and housing for electronics before (out of the blue) getting into markers. I don't think they're in it long term, they're just riding the cheap art supply train until it runs out of steam.

[@ghoulchan7525]

I have mainly come to the conclusion of. "If the person in the video is sponsored or got the product for free from the company. Their opinion is biased and should go in the garbage" looking at you Jazza. At this point I'm just gonna stick to the brands i know. I wanted to give Ohuhu a shot. But their marketing gives me a sus feeling. And some slight problems i have heard are the same as the cheap Action alcohol markers i own already and i do not have with Copic. Mainly the cap not matching the color that comes out of the marker. I have also concerns of the markers of the shades being inconsistent between batches. Since well my cheap alcohol markers have this problem. So that's either a good or bad thing no one has reported on this. Copic. I have two of the same shade bought years appart (i had a derp moment in the store despite having written down what colors i already have). And their colors are slightly different. But so are the marker caps. So this tells me Copic puts effort in matching the caps to the ink inside the best they can. Also i can't buy ohuhu stuff in an art store. So i can't just pick up w marker or two to try out.

[@ruths_youth]

I came into this video ready to hate you for throwing shade on a creator I like (who had been having a hard time creatively/mentally) but you definitely changed my mind. I'm glad I hemmed and hawed and missed the June sale for the paper and markers. Their video had me thinking the paper had a buttery smooth surface, so I'm glad to know I didn't waste a couple hundred dollars buying two mediocre pads of paper and a giant marker set that I really don't need (since I have probably 100+ markers combined of Spectrum Noir, Copic, and Blick Studio).

[@ghostly006]

i dont usually watch videos like these since your artstyle leans more on realistic, while i lean towards stylistic. ive been using alcohol markers since 12 and i can say that yes, paper DOES matter. i went through lots of trial and error until i settled with Copics papers and sketchbooks (which is my personal preference, bleedproof honestly doesnt appeal to me since isnt the nature of alcohol markers bleeding?) also, wow i didnt know it was called a grey phase! i always saw that when i used to color when i was younger, then got used to it over time. some other art videos i watched (mostly by Japanese artists) also show that phase but i didnt know what it was until now. i also want to mention that theres a lot of overconsumption because of the constant advertising and marketing, plus with little to no truthful reviews. (also, shiny marker blotches and patches STINKS. no MATTER what your artstyle is. it is absolute HELL.)

[@sarahb.6475]

This was packed full of information. And that is so weird to see both the yellow and the orange show up as gray on the paper. It was hard for my brain to accept yet there it was! 😮 and this makes me realize that I dont know very much about paper.

[@AmyShulke]

Hard for me to accept too! I've used papers that turn a little gray, that's pretty common and barely phases me... but this level of gray had my heart racing and ugh, the blends really suffer for not being able to see what I'm doing. I did some small swatches and anything with a Copic number ending in 4 or below was severely compromised when wet.

[@AbiNomac]

Very useful info. I like that we are seeing on camera now

[@AmyShulke]

So glad you find it helpful! Even if you decide it's the best paper for you, seeing where I struggle can help you make better decisions as you color. Thanks for watching!

[@Art_by_Nicole]

I saw the Ohuhu marker pad. The moment I read 150gsm I thought: nope. That isn’t possible. I do have the first one. The one with the spiral. That paper is 300gsm. I’ve tried with markers and pencils. It was my first try with alc.markers and thought it looked pretty. But now I have seen your work (the orange) and that looks way (!) better. When does your pencil workshop go online? 😄

[@AmyShulke]

Do you have the Mixed Media spiral or the Marker spiral pad? I like the MM version better than the marker one. I know you know by now but I'll link to the pencil course here if anyone else reading is curious... vanilla-workshops.com/p/point

[@Art_by_Nicole]

@@AmyShulke I have the spiraled Marker pad from Ohuhu. I thought it looked okay - it was better than other cheap paper - but than I saw your work in the video… my scribbles look like work from a five year old 😂

[@LaurensNerdyFunStuff]

Thank you for this! I've only seen the hype for Ohuhu's bleedproof paper and was debating about getting some but not anymore lol. I probably would have bought some earlier but I don't like spiral-bound or paper pads much (I prefer hardcover sketchbooks) so I hesitated about getting any. Guess I'll have to stick with the RendR books for now lol. I don't like how pricey they are, but at least they work and I enjoy using them!

[@AmyShulke]

So I'm assuming you're sketchbooking only? Besides Rendr, are there any others you like? I'm keeping a list of papers/sketchbooks to profile.

[@Wolfsong957]

I feel so stupid I got influenced like this, I did think the grey was ridiculous to deal with

[@AmyShulke]

No shame. The marketing team is very good at their job. They know exactly how to fool their target audience.

[@Creeperknight170]

I wasn't expecting the same performance from a "marker paper" that I get while doodling on a cheap sketchbook really only made for pens

[@Creeperknight170]

Thanks for the truly honest review

[@AmyShulke]

I appreciate your feedback. I agree, at that price, I didn't expect OMP to be a performance paper either... but when all the reviews make it sound like the pads float down from heaven on a rainbow... I expected more.

[@sleepypotatoe7]

I was suspicious when the ohuhu bleed proof paper was not very heavy and it was coated. I had some off brand marker paper I got in junior high that was coated and it became super sticky when I put markers on it. I absolutely hated that paper. I was surprised to find good reviews for the bleed proof pad. I think I only saw one bad review. I like my render sketchbook (even though it is very expensive) because I toss just about everything at it. Markers blend nicely on it. It is costly but I'd rather use Render over coated thin paper. I think a lot of folks were pretty excited for the ohuhu bleedproof pad because it was an inexpensive option for well bleedproof marker paper. Thank you for an honest review.

[@waynebenton9134]

How do you keep copies from bleeding and why do they do that?

[@AmyShulke]

Bleed and bleed-through is actually not a marker problem-- it's a paper problem. Most papers are designed to withstand water and waterbased art supplies, so often alcohol isn't something they test during the product development phase. Alcohol behaves differently and will slide right past water barriers. So the trick to stopping alcohol marker bleed-through is to select either a thicker paper or a paper developed with alcohol resistant ingredients or coating. The trick to stopping "bleed" or "feathering" where ink spreads across the surface (not through to the backside) or seeps out beyond your line art is to choose better paper. In feathering, the fibers carry the ink outside your lines, so the solution is to use paper with fibers which don't allow the ink to travel.

[@ArtDreamPainting]

‎‏It was very relaxing🌸

[@koudelkaslayer]

To me it was similar to the crescent rendr paper which is good for a sketchbook where you don’t need a ton of layers but terrible for finished pieces because the paper doesn’t absorb the ink

[@AmyShulke]

@@koudelkaslayer I’d easily choose Rendr over Ohuhu but I totally agree with you, there are so many better absorbent options.

[@ShinySoapBubbles]

thanks! sadly i saw it to late.. ordered gladly only one of it... tried it 30 mins ago.. and felt like, something is really off at this paper... i am not a pro at all.. i am still a noob with alc marker... but this isnt what i want... yeah it is bleedproof. i LOVE this.. but nothing more... i hat the grey color change while i paint, it last to long. thanks for your video, because now, i know i am not alone and it isnt my fault... =( so sad about the 20 euro now... x.x could invest much better...

[@AmyShulke]

Don't sell your intuition short! For years, my first beginner lesson was to have never-touched-a-marker students blend on a variety of paper BEFORE I taught them any blending skills. At that point, with no skills or instructor influence, I think people are the best judge of which paper is best, because the quality of the blend is 100% the paper and not technique. Once we get more advanced, we stop listening to the voice which says "uh oh, this is not good paper". Stay in the habit of listening for the voice. That voice + skills is like the ultimate combo for amazing artistic potential.

[@kimmiedukes8141]

Yes! I got it and it was a very muddy color

[@AmyShulke]

I noticed that too. Not just when wet but also after drying. At first I thought it was because of the gray wetness and maybe that was warping my color vision... but now weeks later, the tomato is not as vibrant as it should be. To be fair, this isn't the only paper that dries less vivid. Thanks for pointing it out, I'm afraid if the same info came from me, it'd be seen as piling on.

[@kimmiedukes8141]

@AmyShulke honestly, I appreciate the video, I was disappointed the people putting this put weren't super reliable. I get why, though.

[@tammysunderman4734]

Amy, I so agree with you about the Shitty paper out here for Markers. I'm just sticking with Strathmore Bristol Board and X Press It.

[@AmyShulke]

There are other good options out there. I'll keep doing a few paper videos per month and hopefully something triggers your curiosity. I think I'll do a true sketchbook next, people always need a good one and that's one niche XPI could be filling but oddly doesn't seem to want it.

[@Antony_Oscar]

Oh no, I just ordered this yesterday 😅 Maybe I could return it... Edit: I tried cancelling the item from my order, hopefully it works 😭 I'll watch more of your videos to find a replacement paper instead

[@AmyShulke]

I'm just starting the paper series so I don't have many reviews stored up yet. BTW, I just built an archive page today here: markernovice.com/best-marker-paper

[@deadaccount01]

Why not just try it out for yourself rather than taking someone else’s experience at face value?

[@SumHandballPlayer]

I always thought about that bias of most ohuhu reviews on KZbin receiving the product for free or through sponsorship.

[@AmyShulke]

Another commenter pointed out that legally, accepting the free gift *is* sponsorship. That was a level I hadn't considered. Ugh, the slimy marketing just gets worse, the more we think about it.

[@jpmlna]

Thank-you for your honest and truely expert review. After wasting so much time and money on so many other (highly recommended but substandard, in reality) art products, I've come to distrust most KZbinrs' reviews. So true - "bad paper can defeat someone", especially for learners like myself, eventually discovering that most of the time, it was not me that was doing it wrongly but the product itself was just not quite up to standard. I'm so glad to have come across your channel 😍

[@AmyShulke]

Yep, yep, yep. So many people are tricked into thinking they can't draw, color, or paint well when actually, they're handicapped by highly recommended substandard art supplies. I know budgets are an important issue for everyone nowadays but wasting money is also a budget killer. And when that wasted money makes you feel inadequate? That's a double-whammy. Thanks for sharing your story, it's an important one to hear! Please share more when you can.

[@sharperwhisper9752]

Yeah I’m not surprised that the ohuhu paper isn’t that good. The markers of the ohuhu brand are phenomenal but I’m not surprised that the paper is crap I’ll stick with what I got

[@AmyShulke]

What paper are you using?

[@sharperwhisper9752]

@@AmyShulke Bristol paper from straphmore and canson and I’m planning on getting that X-press it paper you made a vid about a bit ago

[@LisaAdams.75]

Agree with the paper.

[@kayceec43]

Immediate sub. ANd I don't even know if I've subbed an art channel yet

[@AmyShulke]

Well thank you! I'm honored to be your first.

[@SugaKookieMon]

I don't know. I bought the paper. I haven't tried it yet. First, the paper is cool toned. Personally, I would've swatched my colors. If you're using white paper techniques on cool toned paper, why would that work? As for the stickiness, Copics may not be for this paper. It may have been specially formulated for use with Ohuhu markers. Did you know Faber Castell pencils are specially made for their markers to use for sketching? The marker melts away the pencil, so erasing isn't necessary. Second, Copics are overrated and insanely too expensive. Ohuhu, while not perfect, is affordable. They also listen to their consumers. I'm sure this product will improve in time. I know it's much cheaper than Copic or Rendr paper. Neither of which I'm sublimely in love. Third, in most reviews of the paper, the artist used ohuhu markers. Just sayin.

[@AmyShulke]

I was going to respond at length until I re-read your post and realized you haven't used the paper. But hey, thanks for watching.

[@MegaCapricorn73]

@@AmyShulke The part the person said about swatching colors on paper was referring to how bleed-proof papers like Rendr might not fully show the colors you’re using the same way compared to regular white paper (part of why using Rendr paper was such a struggle for me to use for yrs.) I don’t think your passive agressive sounding response was necessary and felt uncalled for just because the person hasn’t used the paper yet.

[@AmyShulke]

@@MegaCapricorn73 I disagree. I'm not obligated to donate time to every commenter. To narrow the scope, I have standards. If you show up at the Indy 500 on a tricycle, they're not obligated to let you race. They're not even obligated to tell you why. This person HAS the paper sitting right there but couldn't be bothered to go test it. Let that sink in. They couldn't wait 10 minutes to comment from a place of knowledge. Instead, they wrote a book to dazzle us with suppositions and opinions. I could go through and answer them point by point but when I don't agree, that'll anger them too. And again, all of this for someone who didn't think it was important to check the paper sitting right there. Nope. This isn't someone interested in learning.

[@MegaCapricorn73]

@@AmyShulke I guess that makes sense in a way, but I still don’t see what the problem is. It’s like you took that person’s 5 and turned it up to 11 just ‘cuz they disagreed with you. Like maybe they tried the paper afterward and would comment about it, but what’s the point if the person I’m talking to already gave up on me?

[@AmyShulke]

​@@MegaCapricorn73 I appreciate your input but there's a lot you're not seeing on the public side.

[@scootermom1791]

The rendr paper you used still looks gray to me. It's not as gray as the other side, but it really doesn't look yellow. Your review rocks, though! I wanted to see if you had reviews for markers, but you apparently only use Copic markers. But what about people who are not professional artists; don't want to be; and can't afford high end markers like Copic? Even if you personally don't like any other brand of markers, couldn't you recommend the best of the worst for hobbyists like myself? If your channel is geared more towards professional and/or serious amateur artists, I completely understand. It's not a big deal. But it doesn't hurt to ask. 😊

[@AmyShulke]

For the Rendr vs OBP test, the point is the level of grayness. I can handle grayish but we're all coloring blind when the paper turns C5 when wet. Ohuhu turns a ridiculous level of gray. As for the other brands of markers... I'm not sponsored by any art supply companies and I do not accept free gifts or samples in exchange for videos. So if you see something in my videos, I've purchased it with my own money. To be honest, I can't afford to test every cheap brand of marker out there. My most popular video hasn't even paid for itself yet. I use Copic because it works. I also firmly believe that even a small set of highly blendable Copics is better than 1000 cheap unblendable markers.

[@lucychan7938]

The main complaints of Copic nowadays is mainly related to the dry out issue of copic sketch markers in recent years but the ink of copic is still the best. I would suggest to buy some copic inks that you frequently use and buy some blank Finecolour markers fill with copic ink. I've tested that with a re-wet copic marker that have drying issue and a blank finecolour fill with same ink, the faulted copic dried in 2 week but the finecolour still flow well. Even you cannot afford copic, there are actually a lot of Cheap markers that cost less than Ohuhu and perform similar or even better than ohuhu. The Finecolour that I've mentioned is one of the copic alternatives before Ohuhu's videos spreading everywhere, and there are brands like Blick's and Artfinity that have refills and sold by reliable retailers. If you only need lot of colours in lower price, not work with lot of blending and don't need refills, you can find a bunch of Touch knock-offs that's much cheaper than Ohuhu and similar qualities from Temu, eBay and Aliexpress. (But actually you are able to find full-colour Touch knock-off refills and much cheaper than the refills offered by Ohuhu)

[@scootermom1791]

@@lucychan7938 these are really great ideas! Would any blank (refillable) markers work, though? Finecolour blank refillable markers are a little difficult to find in the US. And I haven't heard of "touch Knockoffs" before. Are Touch markers like Copic?

[@scootermom1791]

@@AmyShulke I liked how white the Rendr paper was in the video. I had to put "Rendr paper" in quotes in Google to find it, though, (I'm in the US) and multiple varieties finally showed up. Were you using a rendr drawing pad or a sketchbook? And your explanation makes sense regarding why you don't discuss/use other markers than Copic. Thank you for the feedback. 🙂

[@lucychan7938]

@@scootermom1791 Touch knockoffs sure is far behind Copic in terms of quality. But if you don't need frequent blending and lifting techniques used in your arts, you can give a try but should be cautious about your purchases when you are shopping at aforementioned sites. Not to buy a large amount if you are only mean to try the products and should beware of the comments and prices. The said empty Finecolour markers also can be found in the aforementioned site.

[@yolandakidd5339]

😂 Went to go look for a marker brand hellzno.lol😂

[@AmyShulke]

Hahahahah. Sorry 'bout that.

[@yolandakidd5339]

@@AmyShulke lol 😆

[@saishin1059]

While I love the Ohuhu markers, I have to agree… their bleed proof marker paper is absolute garbage.

[@AmyShulke]

So I'm curious... Does your verdict on the bleed-proof pad change your opinion about the company in any way?

[@saishin1059]

@@AmyShulke It doesn’t, as I have experienced other companies with good products on one hand and awful ones on the other. Ohuhu does some stuff really well! I’d mentioned that I love their markers, and for me they’re an affordable option that gives a similar range to Copics with comparable results. I used a small selection of Copics for years, but the price point had always been limiting for me in regards to expanding my collection of them. Of Ohuhu’s paper range, the only one I really enjoy is their marker pads, and I have a few of those now. Since trying the bleed proof pad, I’ve seen quite a few creators making criticisms of it like yours, and I honestly wish I’d found your video and theirs before I paid the money. Thank you for giving an honest review, and I hope others will find it helpful too!

[@Allison_Troy]

I definitely feel like Anna from Field Hockey has earned this paper. Don't be too compassionate to jerks.

[@AmyShulke]

LOL. My husband asked me if names were changed to protect the innocent. Nope. No innocents involved.

[@kassaArt]

Why I don't wear a bikini. Excellent analogy! 😂😂😂

[@AmyShulke]

Gotta hold it all somewhere, LOL

[@kassaArt]

@@AmyShulke loool, you should also do comedy! 😃 😀 😄

[@Bloomkyaaa]

Amen, preach Amy. If I was given free products, I'd like them too... because I didn't pay for it. And I hate when they say "I got these for free, but I'm not sponsored. ☺" Puh-lease. You're being sponsored with free products.

[@AmyShulke]

LOL. "I love free stuff" isn't quite as convincing, is it? I always wonder how bad something has to be before it rates a gentle frowny face.

[@ghoulchan7525]

Now this is the review i have been looking for. Unbiased and honest.

[@AmyShulke]

Thank you so much for watching and thank you for the feedback. I was a nervous wreck all week knowing this was set to publish, so I really appreciate you letting me know it was appreciated.

[@ghoulchan7525]

@@AmyShulke no problem. i was glad to find a review of this that wasn't sponsored at all. product reviews being sponsored these days are becoming a problem, since well you can't trust em. it's basically a 10+ minute add at that point. heck i was thinking of buying a mid sized pack of Ohuhu markers and do a test of how well they hold up compared to the Copic ones i have. but at this point. the amount of Copic markers i have + cheap Action twinmarkers i use to fill in gaps of shades i don't have Copics for. i don't need em. like at all. i can get by with what i have.

[@AlabamaSlammah]

Hi there! Fellow marker artist and I absolutely hate how the ohuhu bleed proof paper works! It frustrated me so much and I hated coloring on it -it muted my colors and the way it would hold onto the ink bothered me and the gray felt so obvious and I couldn't get my colors exact! I was so upset bc I like their other marker sketchbook but this one made me feel like I wasted my time , money, and precious ink

[@AmyShulke]

Sounds like we had the same experience, right down to the frustration and anger. Just curious which Ohuhu pad you prefer. I think the Mixed Media journal works better for markers than their Marker sketchbook (ironic, eh?). Just curious if our thoughts match on the better book as well.

[@XBeejeeX]

I love that you aren't sponsored, resulting in a real unbiased review. But shouldn't you at least try it out with Ohuhu markers? Maybe the composition of the ink in Copics differ from Ohuhu's marker, causing an issues on this kind of paper?

[@AmyShulke]

I can test Ohuhus on their paper but I think you're misguided in assuming that Ohuhu markers were developed by artists and formulated by chemists. Ohuhu was a plastics company making knockoff camping supplies and electronics before they spotted another plastic product they could easily reproduce. They don't innovate anything, they imitate using the cheapest possible ingredients and they do this from an unregulated part of the world. So I was very serious when I said I was giving them an advantage by testing their paper with blendable markers.

[@ivyclough8969]

I bought this pad. And it’s the worst!! So disappointed

[@AmyShulke]

I'm interested in your observations. What was the worst thing you noticed? Anything positive?

[@ivyclough8969]

I guess if I were to have to pick something……….. no. Nothing. Gummy, sticky, puddles, smears, looks chunky?! So so bad and very frustrating. Can’t blend, it almost just pushes ink around

[@AmyShulke]

@@ivyclough8969 Chunky is a god descriptive. Thanks for answering. I know a lot of people are hearing complaints about Ohuhu for the first time. I think it helps to hear specifics and realistic evaluations, so they can’t simply write us off as haters.

[@ivyclough8969]

@@AmyShulke I am very surprised about all of the good reviews. One woman said it was “different” and you needed to watch for smudges….. but overall good! Obviously trying to cushion the blow. I know people aren’t completely honest, but usually I’ve had the experience of accurate reviews. This is such a blatant lie it’s very disappointing.

[@GAZMAN2002]

I think you have great information based on expertise but I wish you wouldn't attack other youtubers age personality or presentation. Your opinion is valid but you don't have to bash down others.

[@brittanystorm420]

Amy will you adopt me

[@AmyShulke]

Yes, especially if you put your breakfast plate in the dishwasher instead of leaving it on the counter for me to do later.