Thanks! I never realized vine black and mars black are the same thing. A landscape artist I admire swears by creating greens by mixing mars black with yellows. I want to try that but I need to get my hands on some mars/vine black first. All I have is ivory and lamp, as well as paynes grey which I also didn't know is the same as cool black.
@leedavis-art9 ай бұрын
Oh, I can see why. Black and yellow make some very nice olive-green colors that are common in nature. It's a bit too muted for my tastes, so I prefer Cobalt or ultramarine blues with a warm yellow, like Indian or diarylide yellow (PY83) or deep or golden cadmium (PY35). Then move it towards orange or purple with my warm or cool red.
@pjjmsn9 ай бұрын
@@leedavis-artYes, her lanscapes are very subtle. I also couldn't understand how mars black could produce greens distinguishable from ivory black. But I have tried the rest of her palette and it harmonizes great together so I want to give this a shot too. One of my biggest problems is getiing the painting to properly harmonize in color like the best paintings do. I have never heard of golden cadmium. I will look it up.Thanks.
@renatobfa4 ай бұрын
I've tested WN Ivory and Lamp black, as well as Gamblin Ivory Black, M. Graham Ivory Black and Winton Ivory Black. The WN Ivory Black wins for me, it has a satin finish (contrary to gamblin IB that dries very matte and WN Lamp Black which finish very glossy), it has a neutral color and has a medium tinting strenght (contrary to WN Lamp Black which has about 3x the tinting strenght ). The M.Graham Ivory Black is also very good and behaves much alike WN Ivory Black, but it costs a lot more and for me doesn't have anything better to justify the higher price. The Winton Ivory black ins't as nice, it dries very fast, has a 'filler' feel to it, like it is stiff and lighter value then true black, so it's worst in my view.
@leedavis-art4 ай бұрын
That makes sense, Winton is W&N's student/studio line of paints so they're cheaper with fillers. I prefer Micheal Harding's Vine Black (mars black PBk11) because it's fairly neutral out of the tube, semi-transparent, and tinting is more manageable than Ivory Black. This really comes into play when doing grisaille paintings if titanium white is used. Both T. White and Ivory Black have cool biases out of the tube.