Oil Change Honda 40/50hp Outboard

[@jennifergilanfarr7586]

Changed the oil in my 50hp for the first time of many today, thank you for your help! On to the gear case tomorrow!

[@captainrobthompson8728]

If you run into trouble email me! [e-mail] I will see and hear the alert better. Good luck!!!

[@peterpapadimitriou7744]

Fantastic presentation and now it’s back to my workshop to do my 50BFA

[@markdunbar8219]

Looks simple now now to do my Honda 50 many thanks 😊 from the Uk 🇬🇧

[@dickjohnson5898]

You are the best! I knew it was something to do with editing but I thought I was crazy. Keep up the good work.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I try. I'm no audio visual tech that's for sure. Thank you!

[@BornAgainBoating]

Awesome work man! Great job, we subbed and liked, keep up the great work :)

[@dustinhonn9700]

Nice, thanks for using regular tools. It went perfectly.

[@Rookisimo1]

Nice job! Thanks for the info. I found it very informative. I just bought a new 2019 40hp Honda so this fall I will change the oil.! Thanks again Rob!

[@robertbreau1003]

You explain your videos very good

[@tonyamenta8098]

Thanks for the video! Went to a honda dealer and they had no idea about this nor did they stock the correct filter. Went to O'Rileys auto and had them cross reference the correct honda part number and they had a wix filter in stock,its offset even mor then the factory honda filter,got 4.5 turns on it. I'll post the wix part number later,don't have it with me at the moment.

[@spidennis]

Got that wix number?

[@djneville2000]

WIX 51365

[@simonac688.]

Great tuto Captain 👍

[@123pwop]

THANK YOU , MORE THAN YOU`LL EVER,EVER KNOW !!!! PHILIP.

[@eugenp.7751]

Great work!I see,the Man with rite hands!

[@joseluisgonzalez2602]

Do you know the size of the drain oil plug? The main one on the top. At 3'23"

[@robertschuster2674]

i was wondering if there is possible impeller damage from running motor w/out water flowing into lower unit. old school 2 stroke manual says never run motor w/out water. impeller sticks inside and damages it. thanks for vid. i have leaking from crush washer. 2005 never changed it

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Yes it goes into meltdown and the cover & impeller turn to lava basicly. Where is this crush washer?

[@t4lovers688]

Iv just got to do my oil on my 50 Honda video great help

[@windyknot2094]

Most excellent. Lower unit oil change etc? Thank you!

[@xiong2moua]

Great vidoe. 😊Did you mirror your video? I'm sure there are a few guys actually tightening versus loosening.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Yeah I did. Its in the description. I filmed by myself. It's was a long time ago.

[@altamoreno3190]

Hi. Where can we order a manual like yours that lists the part numbers for the honda outboards. My husband has an 8 hp and 90 hp that he would like to change oil and do minor stuff. He's having trouble finding a sealing O-ring number for the 8 hp. Thanks

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I think you can download them online or go to boats.net and look the motor up. There you can get a schematic that lists all the parts and buy them right there. I hope that helps.

[@addictedtofishing7080]

Do you have to change the washer every time you change the oil

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Ha Ha! As a professional yes. As a hack I've "seen" it work when you flip it over. If your hundreds of miles away from a Honda dealer yeah just reuse it but make sure it doesn't leak. It's not the end of the world. Thanks for your question!

[@stevegrafft6978]

Why 10w 30 wt oil? just wondering my 1997 says 5w30 thought you aren't supposed to waver from that?

[@stevegrafft6978]

never mind got my answer reading older comments

[@captainrobthompson8728]

5w30 is used for light-duty engines while 10w30 is used for engines which carry heavier loads. 10w30 provides sealing action in the engine due to the fact that it is thicker than 5w30 engine oil. 5w30 is more of a cold climate oil. If you live in Canada I would use 5w30. Check out temp ranges for oil. I hope that helps.

[@jacobpapalia2272]

Have you ever had oil dripping out from the flywheel down the back side and pooling up on the inside case? Im having that issue with my 2000 Honda 50HP outboard.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I think a long time ago. Check to make sure your crack case breather tube is clear. If you have a build up of crankcase pressure it will blow out at the crank seal. Check it out and get back to me.

[@dsciulli]

@@captainrobthompson8728 I’m having this same issue but can’t find the crank tube? I’ve googled but I’m losing my touch of something because I can’t find it

[@captainrobthompson8728]

@@dsciulli crank tube? You've looked at the boats.net schematics?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

The crank case breather tube goes from the valve cover to the air box.

[@dsciulli]

@@captainrobthompson8728 k I see it. You removed yours and found it clogged?

[@willalot]

great video, have the exact same engine, same year. Saved me from having to go to the useless honda dealer

[@Константин-д4ч1ш]

What is the oil filter number for the BF 35 motor? Thanks!

[@captainrobthompson8728]

A bf35 is from the 90s. You would have to look up on boats.net or the Honda Marine website.

[@bayareaangler5103]

Just ordered an oil filter from Amazon, was listed as the PFB-014, but they sent me 15400-ZZ3-003, with a sticker on top saying the PFB-014 was replaced with ZZ3-003. It’s black, but the inside actually looks like the blue 014 filter. Any experience with this one?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I'm on the site now. It shows me a blue filter for the zz3. If you try to put on the black one make sure you get at least 3 turns on it. The black was known to not thread on enough and leak. If it's not blue I wouldn't use it.

[@redzmvt]

The latest and greatest oil filter is black.The one on my 2019 BF50D is black from the factory.The ones I recieved from Amazon are blue.I also noticed that the 2017 and earlier were spec'd for 5W30,which is now 10W30. I also write the date/hours on the face of filter with paint pen.

[@chrispark306]

Have you ever seen water dripping from the rubber seal around the oil drain plug when running? Realized the other day my 2002 BF50 has a steady drip of clean water coming from that rubber seal. No oil leaking. Just water when running.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Yes. If there was water in the belly pan it can drain there. I believe. Check to see with cover off if there is water forming from the tell tail hose being off or if there is a leak from the block area. Get back to me with what you find.

[@chrispark306]

Captain Rob Thompson thanks for the reply. Ya I’m guessing a leak somewhere higher up on the cooling system. Tell tale is always very strong stream but I have seen signs of water in the cowling before. After running the engine hard, turning off, and tilting back up I’ve seen water drain out from where the cabling enters the motor. Running it in a bucket I don’t get any water showing though. Seems like maybe only if the motor has been run at higher rpms. 4800+. Not sure if it’s worth the tear down or not for this old guy.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

For shits and giggles see if the Speedo tube ends up there and is blowing water in? Otherwise try to find a salt trail if in salt water. Or look around the water jacket for cracks near thermostat. You'll find it.

[@LuisNelsonRodríguezordenes]

muy buen video gracias

[@TheFJ60]

Good video! Thanks.

[@sasaptsjovanovic2186]

Great video. Tnx.👍😀

[@Z-Bart]

I have noticed in some of your videos...it appears to be left hand threads when I know it's not. Like this one, taking off the oil/cap drain. On video it looks like you are tightening the screw.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Its in selfie mode. I'm a oine man show so I'm trying to keep in the frame and show you at the same time. Nothing is lefty tighty righty loosie.

[@Z-Bart]

@@captainrobthompson8728 Right on.

[@Z-Bart]

@@captainrobthompson8728 I sent you a couple e-mails. Did you see them? About my 20 year old Honda BF-40 impeller job.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Nope never saw one of them

[@iambobby3537]

@@captainrobthompson8728 settings on camera or phone to switch image so it won't be reversed. Never understood reversing the image by the manufacturer to begin with.

[@colbymyers6278]

Can you run the bigger AO2 filter on this engine? I tied to order the 014 filter and was sent AO2’s. I tried another source and was sent AO2PE’s, Not sure wat the difference is between all these filters other than the size. They thread on fine. My local honda dealer has no clue what can be run other than whats recomened. They only have the black filter in stock anyway

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I've never tried it. I thought it was a bit larger diameter but the cowling should hit the filter if does fit the threads.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I'm going to try a 5gh-13440-60-00 Yamaha on mine next weekend. I'll let you know how it works.

[@darcywood4637]

So you run the 1500 a02 without any issues

[@boat4lyfe]

I can't seem to find a service manual for my 2019 bf50d, do you have a place that you would recommend either a printed service manual or pdf?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

It's been so long. Try ebay and search Honda manuals online. There was a place you could download some for free and pay for others. I'm sorry I can't remember:(

[@mscott722]

Went to a Honda engine dealer to get 15400-PFB-014 but they said it has been superseded by 15400-ZZ3-003. My engine is a couple hundred miles away so I have not yet tried to do the oil+filter change but I'm concerned that this ZZ3-003 model is going to have the "deep threads" where I'll only get one turn on the filter. Do you know about the ZZ3-003 or can you still get the 15400-PFB-014?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Ok so this is what I found. It's been a few years since I worked with Honda. I'm Yamaha now. Honda Marine 15400-ZZ3-003 Oil Filter. Oil filter fits Honda 8/9.9 hp O/B's (323cc), 15/20 hp carbureted O/B's, and 25/30 hp EFI (MY2006 & Newer) outboard engines. A Sierra Sierra 18-7911-1 Will work on a 40/50 Honda it is an ok filter and will work with no problems. The issue with boats.net is it will not show superceded parts all that well. If you are far away from a dealer just order from boats.net and you will still receive the correct superceded part. They order direct from all the major motor manufactures. 15400-PFB-014 still looks like the dominant number online. But Honda site directly lists the one he gave you. 007 15400-ZZ3-003FILTER, OIL (DENSO)10000019999999$18.88 fingers crossed. If it does not work order the Sierra and you will be fine. I hope this helps. It looks like I may need to update the description on the video. Let me know what you find out? Thanks for the message. You can always go directly to Honda marine now they will give you part numbers and schematics as well.

[@МаксМакс-к2ы2и]

Greetings from Russia! I use TOTACHI 1097 oil filter and Mobil Super 3000 5w30 formula fe car oil.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Cool thanks!!!

[@EYECOMEINPEACE]

Just bought a 50hp 2006, but it has a sticker on the side of the tank saying 5w30....maybe because it's in Canada?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

The original oil type was 5w30. All the other motors took 10w30. The palate charge for 5w30 only for a few motors was astronomical back in the day. The temp range for most states 10w30 works fine. In Canada I would run a little thinner 5w30 is fine as long as it's a good marine oil. Neither is going to have detrimental effects on your motor.

[@EYECOMEINPEACE]

@@captainrobthompson8728 thanks.

[@boat4lyfe]

Thanks so much for these videos, I find this interesting about the oil filter! Thanks for your attention to detail on this. Hey I have a question for you, I run in salt water 90% of the time with a 6 month old Honda BF 50, I was wondering what you would do for rinse out at the end of the day? It has a wash system but sometimes I wonder how well they work. currently I run it for at least ten minutes in a trash can with fresh water every time I take it out of the water. What have you found to be the best system? Thanks

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Thanks Tim! I'm no pro filmographer but I try to get it across the best I can. On the flush. I've seen engines where people did nothing and they were fine others flush and had problems. So I would say do it when you can but don't worry if you missed a time or ran it all weekend and then flushed it Monday night. Running with a bucket is best. If you screw on to the flush with a garden hose don't run it just let the water flow on its own. To rid the motor of excessive salt you can run salt terminator through I'd say once or twice a year would be good. That will help with crusties at the thermostat. I hope that helps. Thanks for watching!

[@boat4lyfe]

@@captainrobthompson8728 Thanks Rob! I really appreciate your input! I hope you keep making more videos, there doesn't seem to be that many good ones with the Honda motors in the 40-50 range.....

[@cottlad]

Is this video mirrored? Twice you righty tightied to unscrew? :)

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Yes it is in selfie mode. I'm a one man show trying to run the camera in position so I can see it's in frame. Usually I have one shot to get it on film. Honda's are all rightly tightly lefty loosie.

[@jmdds]

@@captainrobthompson8728 you should rectify this mistake as it can cause people to break the cap into the motor by screwing clockwise to remote the cap.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

@@jmdds I wish I could but I don't have the software to flip it or the ability to film myself not in selfie mode. The unfortunate problem of being a mechanic and not a film buff. I will get in the description and make note of it.

[@dickjohnson5898]

just posted that same observation. Thanks, now I know I am not crazy1

[@2009yz85racer]

Yup I just stripped the bolt because of this vid

[@larryhall7998]

Are you sure it take 10W-30?? Mine takes 5W-30 according to the Manual?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Look at the temperature range for both oils and where you are located with your temp. We have put in 10w30 for more than a decade with no bad side effects or premature wear. In the early 2000's the only marine oil was 10w30 the 5w was for power equipment and a separate shipping fee so we stuck with 10w30 which in New York was fine for the temp range. You'll be fine.

[@larryhall7998]

I just buy 5w 30 Honda Marine oil I am sure that 10W 30 would work fine. One suggestion I would give you is fill the oil filter with oil before you put it on. Always a smart thing to do, it helps to lubricate the motor when you first crank it!

[@captainrobthompson8728]

On a filter that is vertical we always put some oil in. A sideways one we avoid that to keep the motor spotless of oil for customers. To pre lube the engine we pull the lanyard off and turn the engine over with out firing. That way we can prime the system. On a block swap doing that is a must on any hp. 5w-30 is fine. More so in Canada than Florida. Nothing bad will happen. This block is a good one.

[@wiedjai]

Why did you mirrored the video image😳😳??

[@captainrobthompson8728]

So I can frame it and control the phone better. I can start and stop in selfie mode. I've got dirty hands and used my elbow to hit the buttons. Nitrile gloves don't work on my phone.

[@justinmiller2965]

Is it okay to use Honda marine 5w-30? Thought that was what the manual called for

[@captainrobthompson8728]

It did at one point. We had 2 oils in stock til about 2008. Then it all went to 10w30. We used 5w-30 in the northern range. I think the bottle showed it being to thin at the upper 85 or 90 degree range. I'm going back a decade or so. As long you use a regular conventional oil your good. Synthetics only when you get high hours. Your motor is not really broken in til almost 1000 hours and that was directly from the mouth of Japanese designers. By the book 5w-30 is what they call for for bf40-50A and bf40-50D. You'll be perfectly fine with 10w30 as well.

[@willalot]

Do you actually need marine oil? I know they claim more corrosion resistant compounds but what if you only boat in fresh water, also if you use a quality car oil?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Ok so do I recommend it. No. Can you, yes. If it's brand new, no. If it's got low hours also no. When a motor sinks in saltwater I do multiple oil changes with low grade car oil because it's cheap and we need to get the water out. Yes there are cleaning agents and de-carbonizers all that crap in marine oil. In the end you can use regular oil for this. But I would run a ring free additive in my fuel to clean carbon deposits. No synthetics, there is no need and that's another battle. To all the guys who jump on this and call b.s. look up in the early 2000's maybe 03 or 04 Honda recommended using automotive Pennzoil in the 200/225 or yamalube because they had "issues". Good luck willalot I think you will be fine.

[@willalot]

@@captainrobthompson8728 Ok thanks for all the info. I went and bought synthetic marine oil, it was like two bucks more. I was just trying to get around the 20 dollar a liter honda marine oil which is pricey as hell in Canada here.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Did you get Mystic or MotoMaster at Canadian Tire? If you are in a hard to get to spot use what you can. I've been in that pickle in Newfoundland trying to get that I need and improvise. So you know I try to stay away from synthetics because the motor will not break in. Regular conventional oil is fine then. Keep an eye on your plugs for fouling and go have fun.

[@willalot]

@@captainrobthompson8728 I got the motomaster purely because it has the nmma stamp. Not a fan of the brand but oil is oil. I got synthetic because it gets pretty cold here pretty early and it was one dollar more. It an old engine so warranty is long gone

[@willalot]

@@captainrobthompson8728 curious what you think of this video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ2menuih7ycbas&ab_channel=ProjectFarm

[@robertschuster2674]

under the engine oil change bolt, mine has been leaking a bit

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Leaking oil or water? There is a rubber grommet there if it's water you have to tear down a bunch. It's probably not worth it. But that being said if water is flying around there. Your water pickup tube and rubber grommet on top of water pump housing may have been compromised. Your gonna have to pull the gear case. If it's oil trim the motor up all the way and swap out the crush washer.

[@hmongmtt13]

Nice teaching video thanks a lot

[@AngelRamirez-rk3qw]

Where do you get the oil filter?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Go to boats.net and order online. Part numbers may have superceded again. Put in your model and match up serial numbers. You will get the correct one that way.

[@sudeshchanga752]

Is it the Honda 40 the same as the 50 Honda

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Yes just different jetting in the carbs. On the older models. Efi model has different ecm brain box.

[@SXSPRIME]

hey brother whats the reference book?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Honda's quick reference guide came out yearly

[@SXSPRIME]

@@captainrobthompson8728 awesome thankyou i just started mobile repair amd its a pain using online look up for part numbers

[@kurtvilary9388]

Great and informative video Ron. Do you believe synthetic is superior to regular Oil? Would you recommend putting synthetic in a BF50A ? Mine is a 2005 and I have always used regular straight 30 Honda oil. Thanks

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Honda always said no synthetic because the motor would never break in and that it would take at least 1000 hours for the rings to wear with the cylinder wall. I like the 10w30 and it has always done well.

[@vkhiev]

Am I the only one who noticed that all screws Turned RIGHT TO LOOSE here, isn't it supposed to turn Left

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I can only film myself in selfie mode. Everything is righty tighty lefty loosie. I can't change the description on my phone. I need my laptop 200 miles away.

[@dickjohnson5898]

Is it just me or does it look as though the skrews are coming out and going back the wrong way? looks like lefty tighty and righty loosy instead of the other way around

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Yes it looks that way. Some shots are in mirror image. I put a disclaimer in the description of each video. All screws are righty tighty lefty loosie. I wish I could change it but I can not flip the scenes in the editing I have.

[@chucksmith7399]

Good video, except turning the motor over with no water. Unless your changing the water pump next.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Just cranking the motor with the lanyard pulled to pull oil through will not burn up an impeller. Running the motor dry will surely melt the impeller and a housing. A cranking revolution is minimal you can count it. Idling is 750rpms. Big difference when looking at friction Building heat.

[@willalot]

how many engine hours you get out your honda? I picked up the same engine cheap with a boat with 3100 hours. Currently runs greats, goes up to 29mph, runs quiet and not smoky. Old guy owned who used it for trolling. I think if i baby it will keep going, have any opinions? thanks great channel

[@captainrobthompson8728]

I was told by mechanics from Japan the engine is broken in at 1000 hours. I've seen 4 up to 5 thousand hours on commercial engines mine has maybe 400 hours. I run the trolling motor a lot. If it's good keep running it and have fun. Don't worry about hour worry more about compression.

[@willalot]

@@captainrobthompson8728 Great thanks for the reply

[@TheMXingT]

did something happen in this world that these filters are almost impossible to find at a reasonable price?

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Everything got shut down and dealers placed spring orders that sucked up the supply. This filter is getting old so there maybe a superseded number now. One woman in Canada was having trouble and crossed it over. That filter worked. Try going to Honda marine .com and see. Good luck! There is a Yamaha, mercury and Sierra version different numbers but should work.

[@TheMXingT]

@@captainrobthompson8728 thanks for the response back. I'll try to see if they have a cross over when I head to the cycle shop later maybe I'll be in some luck

[@prettygirlus9008]

I have a 2007 Honda 40 BFA and it has the blue oil filter installed. I've been having trouble finding a new blue Honda oil filter 15400-PFB-014. A few sellers on Amazon have it advertised, with a picture of the blue filter and part no. 15400-PFB-014, and I ordered one, but the seller delivered a black filter part no. 15400-ZZ3-003, and said this black filter is a direct replacement for the blue filter. Other sellers on ebay said the same thing. I ended up calling a local Honda motorcycle shop and they've ordered the 15400-PFB-014 and say their materials show no cross-reference substitute filter, and I should receive the 15400-PFB-014. I'll see what I get in four days.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Have you tried boats.net? If not what city are you in? I can find you a shop or log in to Honda marine. You will find one there. If your in the boonies the Sierra or Napa version are your last choice to try. Just make sure it threads on more than 1 revolution that's the biggest thing and that the gasket is sealing against it mating surface correctly. Let me know and we will figure this out for you. Don't hold me to it but I think a 5gh-13440-70 Yamaha can work as well.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Have you tried boats.net? If not what city are you in? I can find you a shop or log in to Honda marine. You will find one there. If your in the boonies the Sierra or Napa version are your last choice to try. Just make sure it threads on more than 1 revolution that's the biggest thing and that the gasket is sealing against it mating surface correctly. Let me know and we will figure this out for you. Don't hold me to it but I think a 5gh-13440-70 Yamaha can work as well.

[@prettygirlus9008]

@@captainrobthompson8728 Thank you. The local Honda motorcycle shop ordered the 15400-PFB-014 for me, and they say that's what I'll get. We'll see.

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Awesome! Honda will get you what you need. If not it will be the superseded number which will work. Your in good hands!

[@prettygirlus9008]

@@captainrobthompson8728 Thanks. So, if Honda gets me something other than the blue filter, I can use it? The thread depth will be sufficient?

[@bluesky5039]

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[@alyiamir3018]

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[@Utoobwatchers]

Manual says 5-30

[@captainrobthompson8728]

Sure put it in. Most dealerships all put in 10w30. Than ordering 5w30 for just one motor. If your in Canada go 5w30 where it's colder.