Ok, Velma is worse than I thought

Initially after seeing the trailer I gave it the benefit of the doubt that it was designed to purposely create anger in order to get people to hate watch the show, and that in reality, the show itself would be dialled back (still bad, but not horrendus), but after witnessing the first two episodes, boy was I mistaken....
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[@aino-kaisav5504]

My biggest problem with this show is how much it is filled with hatred towards almost everyone. How can somebody take such a wholesome concept as Scooby Doo and turn it into something this mean-spirited? And also look what they did to our lovable golden retriever of a man, Fred!

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

This show tries so hard to be Family Guy and South Park 😂

[@tjenadonn6158]

Even in shows like "It's Always Sunny" where the main characters are written to be assholes with few to zero redeeming qualities there are still moments of goodness and light: think Frank tearing up at Mac's dance routine in "Mac Finds His Pride," or how the Gang is willing to come together for each other when it actually matters. They're horrible people, but they're horrible people with hearts of gold. Think Stolas genuinely trying to be a better father to Octavia than Paimon was to him in "Helluva Boss." When a show about actual demons in literal Hell has more goodness and heart than your Scooby Doo spinoff YOU FUCKED UP.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Post-modernist cultural Marxism, that's how.

[@mcstabbins4501]

This feels more like a middle schooler made it soley because they were "woke AF"

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

I only made it through the first episode and you could make a lethal drinking game out of the number of times the characters blatantly say "this isn't like OTHER SHOWS" or just point out cliches/stereotypes exist without actually doing anything funny with it. Steve was generous when he said it was every 2 minutes. It's so cynical and feels almost snobby with the show implying it's above all of that while ironically being lazy and never actually trying to prove it's unique. I would have actually loved to see a slasher series in the Scooby Doo universe where tropes from both were subverted, but Velma seems to forget that to subvert tropes, you have to do more than just point out that those tropes exist and say you're different. You have to BE different. Even without the Scooby Doo paint on it, this is a really lazy take on the slasher/mystery genre.

[@shayshay513]

I take it personally that they made fred stupid. Fred is a smart guy. He’s just so singularly focused on his traps and solving mysteries that he misses out on things like daphne hitting on him. He’s a himbo, not a complete idiot

[@elchomper.1063]

Yeah.... That bullshit wasn't introduced until mystery inc. Watch the original where are you series. It was made for 6 year olds in 1970 they're wasn't any sexual tension or plotlines or any of that crap that Scooby Doo doesn't need. They went 40 something year's without it.

[@shorewall]

@@elchomper.1063 I agree, but it just shows that there are two beloved interpretations of these characters. And Velma manages to piss off both of them. I don't know anyone who hates Scooby Doo. But this show is made with hate in its heart for Scooby Doo.

[@anniemousegal2015]

A himbo 😂😂I’ve never heard that before that’s awesome

[@shayshay513]

@@anniemousegal2015 he’s loveably stupid! Not embarrassingly stupid!

[@kennethsatria6607]

​@@elchomper.1063 Whats New Scooby Doo and the animated movies in the Zombie Island era were definitely my shit growing up.

[@TheAdorkableRJ]

Don't be too hard on yourself. That ''Scooby Don't'' joke was still funnier than anything in this show.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The Show commited complete self assasination when they decided to have two cockroaches do the thing

[@grace.stewartt4224]

Exactly 😂

[@alfredhinton8792]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375within 5 minutes

[@MforMovesets]

Well I hate the source material but I'm still gonna say: Aren't you glad that Scooby isn't in it? At least one got away.

[@darkprime6815]

@@MforMovesets from what I heard the only reason Scooby ain't in it is because Hanna-Barbera basically said "yeah nah you can have the others but Scooby-Doo is off limits" (could be wrong but that's what I heard) imagine if Scooby had gotten into the show though

[@papa_squat]

* Race swaps Velma because "whiteness has nothing to do with it" * Makes Velma constantly relate everything to whiteness

[@Iblamethebarrels]

*doesn't want to limit a character to her race* *Consistently mentions race regularly*

[@uberneanderthal]

using the term "whiteness" itself is a red flag. i've never seen it used by anyone except the most degenerate social studies majors.

[@0v_x0]

I'm down for race swapping to fuck with expectation as long as it works with a narrative but this is just pathological.

[@riachatsaweeb]

Exactly I swear, and they constantly make fun of white people and mention race 😑

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

Yeah, why even point that out when no one ever made the fact that she and the other characters were white a big deal to begin with?

[@russellsales7796]

You know, Velma was right about one thing: this is her story told her way. Unfortunately for her, no one likes it.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Velma is a self insert Self inserts rarely ever work

[@youtubewontletme]

Unfortunately for her, she is not the real Velma

[@SonofTiamat]

Unfortunately for her, she's a woke-scold who needs to join the 41%

[@damienearl8302]

Honestly, a Scooby Doo prequel with an actual main character that isn't someone most people focus on actually sounds great! ...to bad this isn't that, and isn't even trying to be

[@texzt7027]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 all of chainsaw man waifus are self insert and still you beat your meat for them. i'm not defending velma tho, just roasting this guy

[@angelpear219]

Fred was the friendly neighbor boy who'd want to help no matter the situation, Daphne was the popular girl that didn't have an ego the size of a Kardashian ass, Velma was a smart girl that didn't seem to care about what others thought of her and would happily nerdout at some things, Shaggy a nice guy all around that wasn't the brightest or bravest, but just loved to be with his friends, and Scooby was the awesome dog companion that just makes everything that much more enjoyable. If they do write Scooby in later and if they feel the need to keep up with their so important swapping, they better not bring him in as a poodle or chihuahua

[@NEEDbacon]

Don't worry, they made him a Black Chick that flirts with "Norville". Scoobi, with an I. I'm not making this up.

[@Havingsights4009me]

@@NEEDbacon kill me

[@creepersammyb2926]

@@NEEDbacon source? so seriously i wanna know your source WITH LINKS to multiple sources

[@chaosXP3RT]

Don't worry Scooby will be a cat

[@scarlett798]

oh hell no i would go to the studio my self if they replace the big boi

[@tylertheguy3160]

The fact that this show is pretty much being universally rejected has restored my faith in humanity.

[@HellecticMojo]

I wish I could feel the same with James Cameron's Avatar. It's so bad, why is it so bloody popular?

[@tylertheguy3160]

@@mikeexits That does sound plausible, but wouldn't that only work in the short-term? I feel like if it got renewed, no one would watch season 2, and it would equate to money down the drain for HBO. Not to mention the damage this absolute garbage will do to their reputation.

[@mikekasich836]

I'm tired of right-wingers always assuming every action is money-motivated stop attributing the race swapping and anti-light racism to some secret brilliant marketing strategy (by the idiot mindy kaling) when it's much better explained by anti-white racism if the KKK was in in charge of producing television shows and you suddenly saw traditionally black characters being race swapped into white characters you wouldn't just assume that it was some brilliant marketing strategy. that they were only doing it for the money. they're the kkk. they hate black people. that's why they did it and it is the same situation here.. there's no shadowy cabal do you devising these "brilliant" strategies and only doing these things for money. accept the fact at the millennials who have wormed their way into many of the top positions at these companies are DEEPLY FUCKING RACIST there is no generation that hates white people more than millennials. except maybe gen z they've taken over teaching positions and they're now teaching generations of kids to hate white people as much as they do with the race-based critical race theory. the jokes themselves in the episode are racist. stop assuming that there was some brilliant strategy behind it and just look at the obvious solution that's in front of you that is the reason that they are trying to erase white people from media is because they HATE WHITE PEOPLE it's not a marketing strategy. they don't give a shit about money. they give a shit about the agenda. they are willing to lose money to change the world. in case that hasn't been obvious these people hate white people. and men. and christianity. and anything else associated with white men.. including America they're just trying to erase white people from media because they hate white people. there's no deeper strategy behind it. there's no deeper meaning that you need to look deep to find the reasons. the reason is right in front of you. they hate white people. they want to eliminate white people from the gene pool. they want a world without white people and if they can't have that they at least want a world where white people are discriminated against and at the bottom and possibly even enslaved.. don't tell me I'm wrong just look at South Africa and their farmers this is why they race swapped characters. because they both want to erase white people from media and also they can't stand to look at white people so they want to get rid of them in Media anyway. it's very simple and we need to start talking about it

[@HellecticMojo]

@@mikekasich836 or it's just money and marketing related like every business, ever.

[@HellecticMojo]

@@tylertheguy3160 short term profits is generally what businesses value because that's what the shareholders want, just so they can bail out the peak.

[@animetony5642]

"She's narcissistic , judges everyone, loves to race-shame, body-shame, gender-shame..." So Mindy in a nutshell.

[@osmanyousif7849]

Or any PC person today….

[@milesmelonprower7416]

@@osmanyousif7849 what did i do? ;~;

[@yashsawarn9050]

​@@milesmelonprower7416low end pc is cheaper than consoles

[@milesmelonprower7416]

@@yashsawarn9050 im confused now

[@ponikoTV]

Is mindy a terf?

[@StanleyNumber427]

If Velma was purposely written to be the worst animated show of all time, they sure did a fantastic job.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Honestly that makes more sense because there is no way that someone can actually write a show like this and not be aware at how bad it is

[@tjenadonn6158]

It's making Cocomelon look good, because at least there's a group of people out there who enjoys Cocomelon.

[@weirdguy1495]

Nah, Velma is at least somewhat salvageable. I have seen much worse than this.

[@MforMovesets]

I love how all reviewers don't recommend it while they caused the first episode to be on the Number 1 spot. I mean, who else watched it but reviewers who want to s*** on it? Maybe they are part of the problem.

[@luizmourabr]

@@weirdguy1495 Just look at Paradise PD lol

[@bonabyafton6461]

If Mindy actually “identified” with her as a character, she has no idea who Velma actually is. This isn’t Velma, this is her self insert, and I don’t wanna know how she is in real life if this is how she portrays Velma under the guise of she “identifies” as her character.

[@FEKana]

I honestly think she only watched Mystery Inc and saw that she was sassy in that show and thought to herself: "That's just like me, fr. Let me just copy that and try it in my show, but without any of the charm or humor she had in Mystery Inc." I don't know Mindy personally, but I'd be inclined to believe this is a self insert with how often I see this point mentioned by literally everyone.

[@Thor-Orion]

This show is actually offensive. Like offensively dreadful.

[@Nothinglikeagoodnut]

The script feels like she wrote it in character as Kelly from The Office, another show where no one remembers her as such, and this is in her mind, a super meta thing to write Velma as Mindy through the mind of Kelly... Annoying asf and now it's on steroids

[@Seer0cervus]

Well, on the internet, she acts no different than the so called Velma in this show. So, who's to say she might not act the same in real life? Or maybe even worse?

[@Deathmare235]

The worst part is that her Velma is a bad person and a complete asshole so if this is a self insert which most likely it is then 💀

[@deadeye6969]

Velma is a masterpiece that deserves a second season. Velma is so much more intelligent and likeable than the og version.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Velma is what happens when a twitter user writes a show that capitalizes on the childhood of many

[@dr.bright6272]

Like the Last Airbender and Dragon Ball Evolution

[@grapeshot]

​@@dr.bright6272yeah I've had people defend The Last Airbender when it's brought up that they basically whitewash that movie.

[@Style_224]

More like twitter writing dumb fanfic

[@tjenadonn6158]

@UCoe5TD_lEGiK5V8hsLGydFw Or the Amazon adaptation of Wheel of Time.

[@canadiangirl2207]

Honestly the biggest problem I have with the show is how much of a bully I find Velma. From the clips I have seen she is rude, insensitive, and selfish. Like when she stole Daphne's diary and read it out loud in front the whole school. And she justified it by saying she was trying to make Daphne vulnerable or human. I don't know maybe it's just me

[@griffintheunseen1463]

You're not wrong there.

[@elyssejohnston]

How is that even "making someone vulnerable/human" anyways? You're literally just humiliating and embarrassing someone in front of an audience. Ah yes, the ultimate way of showing vulnerability, embarrassment and humility! Makes no sense, and she's definitely a bully. It's not just you because it's as clear as day. Honestly really sad. 😒 (Edit: Glad she got slammed into that wall)

[@DavidMcmullan-z7j]

That just plain vicious and cruel and i believe this velma just say that stuff so can keep her enjoyment of making people suffer a secret

[@ahmedaliyu1495]

How is that a sign of a grown up or Adult

[@fatemakhan3843]

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job & was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contracts & influences. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul. Yeah i can definitely see she's really writing herself. This is what we in the business call "The Projection" & a classic Freudian Slip.

[@boat6float]

I'm assuming you are in the entertainment industry? It's fascinating to me that the people who wrote this have drifted so far away from reality that they are unable to recognize normal, regular people. The targeted audience are making jokes that this is a stealth conservative psych-op designed to make liberals look bad. In interviews Mindy seem to believe that the criticism is about the race swapping and she cannot understand that the work is just awful. She could have at least created an original work with her own characters.

[@cptnzeep]

@@boat6float ...this is how you think normal people talk to/about each other?

[@boat6float]

@@cptnzeep No. This is the exact opposite of regular, normal people. I don't think anyone talks like the characters in the show. The script is a complete failure in every way possible.

[@DuelaDent52]

Minor correction, but believe it or not I believe she didn’t actually write the show.

[@immortalfrieza]

@@boat6float Even if they did create an original work with their own characters it would still be godawful. Velma doesn't work not just because the Scooby Doo characters are done terribly and have nothing in common with their origins or why people liked them in the first place, but because the cartoon is just terrible as a cartoon period.

[@mangareader7474]

Velma: sassy nerd that sticks up to herself letting you know she’s the smart Fred: strong leader who make you feel everything in control Daphne: the emotional support of her team giving advice to her friends Shaggy: a open book he never hides his emotion wear his heart on his sleeve Scooby: comedic relief that makes you smile in your hardest time

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Scrappy: the tough street kid who thinks the world of his uncle and always wants to help

[@mranima748]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 scooby:

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@mranima748 Gone Reduced to Atoms

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Don't forget Flim Flam or Vince the Sorcerer from The Thirteen Ghosts of Scooby Doo.

[@mcstabbins4501]

@@mitchfletcher2386 scrappy: we do not speak his name

[@SirGhost101]

This show is the proof that the phrase " I expected nothing, and I'm still let down" works.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

No matter how bitter, toxic, or hateful the backlash may get, the show itself would still outdo it in all 3 categories. I swear, this is the most unlikable and charmless show that I've seen in a while.

[@juanarocha8629]

Fine if they want to write this trash, just don't relate it to scooby doo

[@dracodracarys2339]

The bar was so low it was a tripping hazard in Hell yet here they are, limbo dancing with the Devil.

[@rockscousteau]

@@wojak-sensei6424 Your user name Sounds like You are a Bald Headed Dude that practices Karate in your parents garage. Am I close? Or is it the basement?

[@NAMIIBEAUTE]

No

[@_Mushroom_boy_]

"Lets make adult cartoon scooby-" The entire World : *"No."*

[@wetheepiphany]

"Not like this, anyway."

[@Iblamethebarrels]

I'd be fine if it was *done well*

[@0v_x0]

Scoobs as noir detective, kicked off TSA vice when he ate a stash of pot brownies. Instead of dying, because dogs and chocolate being potentially very toxic (and THC hallucinations for that matter), he gained extra sensory powers that let him smell crime (or "mischief") from his double boosted near death experience. But, he is disgraced from the force and seen as a mockery, and his powers only work with weed infused "Scooby snacks." Thus, he must rely on the help of pot dealer Shaggy and his eccentric group of high school customers, who all share an irrational, paranoid obsession with criminal activity and especially the paranormal, in order to kind of bumblingy solve various petty mischief by getting a dog high and following it around. It's mostly displayed super serious, with no meta humor, just cutaways that show it is 90% played up in their heads, with collective delusions, etc. Even though they save the day. Usually. Any time someone brings up that a dog can talk, it's used to reinforce why something spooky might be happening. It's never confirmed whether Scoobs can actually talk to other characters. Bumbling stoner ghost hunters (give them a KZbin channel for "relevance" idgaf) successfully solving crimes, and maybe don't understand how they solved them? I'd watch that without the licensed tie-in. They still say fuck, and Scooby wears a trenchcoat so he looks like scruff mcgruff, the TV narc dog from the 90s that aired during commercials during cartoons. They still say jinkies and stuff so the casual swearing is extra absurd. I'd watch more than I'm watching Velma. Which would be any, at all.

[@SLIDD_DDILS]

To be honest, an adult take on Scooby Doo can definitely work well if done properly, and I'd like to see WB take the time to do so. It's just that this attempt fell flat for its own reasons, not necessarily because of the demographic

[@blueflare3848]

No, the thing is, a Scooby Doo spinoff for adults had a lot of potential. They just fucked it up.

[@RadekCrazy1]

I love the irony that Mindy Kaling makes Velma character perfect and makes fun of Fred . She sees herself as Velma yet she is basically a rich spoiled incompetent brat in real life just like the Fred is in this show. 😂

[@The.Nasty.]

Projection of her own life and experiences… self centered know it alls and rich entitled out of touch millionaires.

[@DelightfullyMADD]

I do agree about Mindy basically being like this version of Fred, basically a stupid, vapid overpriviliged (wo)manchild who's coasted through life, though in her case it was a mixture of privileged upbringing mixed with good ol fashioned Affirmative Action. I don't however agree with your take that the Velma caricature (I refuse to call her a character, she has not earned that distinction) is perfect. If that was Mindy's goal... god DAMN she sucks at writing even more than I originally thought

[@edcaous]

Velma's character isn't perfect, it's just that other characters don't point out her shortcomings for whatever reason.

[@lucikruxapache9034]

@Flare ah yes woman, the source of all evil

[@saulsulca5010]

@Flare show was written by an *incompetente* woman.

[@tardissins7512]

Velma’s race swapping is done for one reason, and *only* one reason: “I want to be Velma. I am going to make Velma myself.” That’s it. Its why Velma doesn’t act like Velma. It’s a selfish desire to take control of a beloved character.

[@rockscousteau]

Yea.....this is racism as its best. If Velma was black to start with in the early show...and they turned here white.....jesus save us all. Cities would be burned.

[@VeryFamousActor]

Bingo!

[@rinakitty9283]

Let's bring back johnny quest and replace hadji with a edgy white guy who shits on everybody and their race.

[@DarkZeroHero]

Yes, but sadly have to leverage on an established character/IP to start off, because if she plays as herself, she knows it wouldn't fly.

[@carlireland5049]

Truth is, I really wouldn’t have minded the race swaps if the new cast had played the characters well, and don’t think most people would have either. The problem is the new cast sucks, so it makes it seem really unnecessary since they kind of add nothing to this series.

[@Virgo117]

Velma laughing at poor Norville during his confession was unnecessarily cruel.

[@shorewall]

Oof, even if that were the only bad thing, I would have a hard time liking Velma after that.

[@eldermillennial8330]

Just to drive home how clueless and indifferent they were, Shaggy should have been a Lebanese Arab Druze, same as Casey Kasim who voiced him. They brought back old Fred’s voice as his dad, they might have done the same with Casey if he was still alive, maybe make him his dad and get another guy to play him, too, but Lebanese. It would have been a good homage.

[@seekittycat]

He was pouring his heart out and she just ignored him 😭😭.

[@casualcrisis6349]

honestly both sides are bad, guy chose the moment when velma was having hallucinations due to trauma from her mom leaving to confess his love, meanwhile she's kinda despicable for laughing at him honestly expressing his feelings. like, every character is so bad in their own ways, it's so confusing and saddening.

[@Elizabean1984]

Most relatable part of the show from what I've seen.

[@r.b.ratieta6111]

Literally the exact opposite of classic Velma. 😂 Velma was sweet, funny, understanding, caring, and a little on the naïve side. The classic BFF who accepted you no matter what your walk in life.

[@rosemary3029]

The og velma also had a wee bit of sass

[@colorblockpoprocks6973]

naive? the smartest of the group that basically single-handedly solved every mystery? lol

[@101Volts]

@@rosemary3029 Not much, really. It's the 2010 - 2012 Mystery Incorporated version of her who was the sassiest. The only time I can think of OG Velma being at all sassy was in the Addam's Family episode; at one point, Fred says "Velma, you're a genius!" and Velma says "So what else is new?"

[@hairy_cornflake]

It's kinda funny how Velma has been latino in a few recent versions and was half Japanese in the two live action tv movies. But nobody cared because they kept the character personality and essence.

[@mintz9782]

Still changing the race is silly, you don't change a character to push an agenda which is the only reason you'd change it..

[@hairy_cornflake]

I definitely agree don't get me wrong! But if it's done in good taste and doesn't totally change the character for no real reason, I don't really care.

[@alexleveille4832]

EXACTLY what I've been saying. She could be dark skin I wouldn't give a fuck. It's the fact that she's being narcissistic, constantly bashing white people and looking down on everyone

[@user-ub2tc1mt1y]

Because it wasnt about race in those movies

[@JayAlastor]

When i was younger (Like 10 years ago, when i was in 10) I thought Velma Was japanese (or at least par japanese/chinese)... srsly thought that and it still is my head canon

[@TheInvisibleCactusYT]

It brings me so much joy that literally nobody has a positive opinion of this dumpsterfire of a show

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

the only one with the positive opinion about this show is the clear self insert that plays Velma

[@tjenadonn6158]

Variety's headline was something to the effect of ""Velma's greatest mystery is why it even exists."

[@Style_224]

True the only positive that i can think of that it has a lower rating that bdz evolution

[@TheCommenterDragon]

The only "positive" things i have to say about this show is that the animation,artstyle and voice acting may be decent but other than that this series a complete abomination.

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

Even my best friend who I usually use as a meter to gauge what to avoid because he usually likes awful stuff couldn't even finish an episode of this. Mind you he's the kind of guy who likes she hulk

[@YokedDrunkard]

Love how Mindy's explanation on Velmas skin color not being tied to her character and how she related to her, but that gets throw out the window with Fred, who half the jokes are just about how he's white and that's a negative thing. When in contrast Fred was always shown to be nice and if anything, comicly aloof

[@userdamba2609]

@Alex Wells Not all jocks are bullies

[@thebigmystery7841]

They did my himbo dirty

[@dport9563]

Racist depiction of white people 🙄 is awful. Fred Jones was opposite of every jock from 60s. He hangs out with a stoner and a Jewish woman.

[@Deeps429]

I would really, really love to go up to mindy in an interview on live tv and ask "So since this is a 'prequel' to the gang meeting up and becoming mystery inc. which season/ when will Velma, Daphne and Norville become white? is it like a joker thing where they fall in a vat of something...?" At this point though Velma isn't defined by her whiteness, Mindy is definitely gives Indian characters a bad rap...but luckily most people have realized its just MIndy.

[@XxFloofyxX]

Everyone would be fine with the race swap if it didnt bring race jokes and stereotypes. Like omg another show using minorities and race to get popular, oh haha white men small pp haha. Idk what the writers were thinking when they made alot of things about race for a show who doesnt see race

[@Bonnabelpossible]

Miles was already his own character…he isn’t a race swap at all ,Peter and miles both exists in miles’ universe

[@privatizitat815]

Yeah, but not everyone knew who he was before seeing the movie.

[@Wellshem]

So wait, she identify so much with Velma that she totally changed her entire character into something completly new ? I don't get it

[@Piqcked]

That citation logic makes absolutely NO fucking sense. Wannabe woke woman.

[@SechsGrammCaratillo]

This Velma is literally supposed to be her self-insert character in the show. Velma represents herself, and it's fucking pathetic

[@animebrat76]

… welcome to SJW world where I is We and she is he… (apologies to trans)

[@Victor_Graves]

@@animebrat76 ??

[@wnyduchess]

@@animebrat76 you'll grow out of whatever this comment is buddy

[@rofyle]

Mindy Kaling identified so much with Velma. This is why she changed everything about the character, because you know, identifying with the character and all that.

[@Telegrxxm.me-at.The_Volgun]

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[@Dennis-nc3vw]

I will never believe a woman so obsessed with race felt she could identify with a white girl.

[@solouno2280]

So... If I write Recess can I turn Spinelli into a short sized boy?

[@addisonvaughan99]

Does that mean I can rewrite Snow White as a cute femboy and the dwarves as his harem

[@exotixzamateurva8957]

@@addisonvaughan99 😨

[@josephtucker7181]

I have never seen a writer self insert themselves into a story as hard as this.

[@shorewall]

This is like "My Immortal" levels of bad fanfic.

[@kouriier6112]

rebecca sugar?

[@gerragotheallidile]

@@kouriier6112 wut?

[@zxt5148]

Im not starfire

[@ashurad_fox5991]

I'm not starfire is way worse, and star guardian spice...

[@Kakyoin__Noriaki296]

Thank you SO MUCH for talking about the shower scene and their age, i felt really uncomfortable how they did that, and sexualized young teenage girls in an "adult" franchise. Velma isnt for adults, its for the dumpster.

[@davestew5135]

I think the bot agrees.😂

[@zeldaprincessgirl100]

Hey, dumpsters are useful.

[@idonotlikecoleslaw]

That's rude. Don't insult the dumpster like that.

[@0v_x0]

@@idonotlikecoleslaw yeah, what did the dumpster do? cuz you'd have to burn it after.

[@elliottpak]

@@idonotlikecoleslawdumpster was just doin its job

[@mrkitloin]

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job, and was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contacts and influence. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul, she’s really writing herself. This is what we in the business call “projection” and “classic Freudian slip”

[@mystoxxiide9043]

ah, the joys of nepotism

[@simsgirlgem]

You think she throw a tantrum if someone pointed that out to her?

[@morganb8250]

Aren’t her parents doctors though? How would they have contacts in Hollywood? I’m not defending Mindy, I’m just asking

[@simsgirlgem]

@@morganb8250 maybe they’re doctors for the stars?

[@michaelterrell5061]

@@simsgirlgem Yes, like a first grader.

[@3amhellbeast]

This just feels like Twitter tried to write a show, and Velma was the result of it 💀

[@highfivepaw]

Even twitter hates it, that’s how bad it is

[@BigBossIvan]

@@highfivepaw both wrong… something this foul could only come from Reddit.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@BigBossIvan even reddit hates it. Legit I bet if you took this down below, Satan would hate it, and say that's going to far on the suffering

[@QuackZack]

This does have huge Twitter vibes to it: Race-swapping characters with no real good reason and mocks those that question it, anti-white and anti-rich humor, meta humor, the only main character that is white and male feels deliberately made pathetic, show that berates the viewer for some reason.

[@sairus3239]

@@QuackZack and dont forget that its a 18+ rated show that almost literally says "you are an adult who watches cartoons. Shame on you!"

[@zillauniverse7208]

It’s kinda sad when Puss In Boots The Last Wish, an animated family film with a talking cat is more deep and mature than this show that claims to be aimed at adults

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Do not compare Puss in Boots 2 to this monstrosity, People actually cared and gave a crap when they made Puss in Boots 2 and didn't just crap on the legacy of its franchise like Velma did

[@tristanhartup4936]

That's a constant problem I've been noticing with these kind of shows, children's cartoons seem to far more adult whilst adult cartoon appear to be more childish.

[@bruhism173]

You guys want deep? I heard of the story of a at gunner in Stalingrad named burdyshev was sent to flank the Germans tank and was captured, and told them to attack their position's "weakest" point which was actually where they had their machine gun with last 250 rounds, and the gunner sent them all downrange at the German mob thinking they had ran out of ammo, they all scattered for cover and the gunner was hit in the hand but did not stop firing, about an hour later the Germans led burdyshev on a pile of rubble infront of us and shot him for leading them into my machine gun, we soon heard the sound of caterpillar tracks and knew it was over guardsmen said goodbye to one another and I carved into the wall "Rodimstevs guardsmen fought and died for their country here" a few months later during more research on a unit level this reappears, part of rodimstevs guardsmen sent an at gunner out to hit the advancing Germans and then sent them to their deaths in one last act of defiance, this hits deep, not an animated show about *wokeingrad*

[@ryman1933]

@@tristanhartup4936 the worlds been backwards for a while now

[@VelociraptorWithInternet]

the scene where shaggy became shredded after drinking that potion in the movie had more deep and mature topics

[@a-b0t633]

Steve hit the nail on the head on Mindy's hypocritical statement about Velma's race. 'I don't need Velma to be Indian like me to identify with her. So let's make her Indian, like me.' Scooby-Doo has had a lot of characters introduced over the years. If they wanted to use that success to attract a bigger audience they could make a new cast in any color/size/orientation they want without rewriting the ones we know and love. I'm sure the franchise could handle some new blood for a different age group.

[@GreyWind1988]

Without the Scooby-Doo characters, there would be nothing marketable about this show at all. That's why they did it. Velma is how Mindy sees herself. Fred is how she actually is

[@alexvaughan1013]

The classic Rick and Jerry conundrum!

[@garyburton1724]

Which is only more ironic because Velma's an unlikable person. It would be like someone identifying with Angelica Pickles, while actually being more like Princess Morebucks. Kinda says a lot about how a person is, when even the person they claim to be isn't a good person, or even a tolerable one for that matter.

[@johnnycrisp63]

Honestly, the reason why this show was the highest animated show premiere on HBO Max was because there were literally no other animated shows due to the purge.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

and also because the show was so hilariously bad people were willing to see how bad it actually is

[@tjenadonn6158]

They killed Infinity Train for this.

[@greengreens6347]

@@tjenadonn6158 never forget

[@rooksclown316]

@@tjenadonn6158 and Close Enough

[@makotoyuki345]

@@rooksclown316 the wound is a crater now. Stop opening them please!

[@Akron162]

The worst part for me is how angry, bitter and mean spirited this show feels. It's like the writers used it to cathartically air out all their grievances. I bet they felt great after doing so, but the result is a very off-putting, almost unwatchable show.

[@realswobby]

And this bitterness now spreads like a virus

[@MindinViolet]

I feel as if there is a trend toward selfish protagonists in entertainment. Back when Seinfeld was written, the narcissism of the characters was the joke. Today, the narcissism of the characters is un-ironic and unintended. I sometimes find myself wanting shows with more moral characters.

[@starthefrakkfangirl6094]

Just seeing the clips themselves drained my energy and overall mood from watching them. It's like having a discussion with the negative people I'm surrounded by on a Daily Basis.

[@solouno2280]

Not the first rodeo... Thundercats roar existed

[@solouno2280]

@@MindinViolet what about Dr House?

[@lessonmet5291]

3:40 as for Into The Spiderverse; it was more because people thought Peter Parker was turned black. Miles was already a character in the comics, and most people were not aware of his existence because he's fairly new. He wasn't made as a separate character for the film, he's already a different person entirely to Parker even before the film was even pitched.

[@georgeray1906]

Well at least Into The Spiderverse helped those people understand who Miles is.

[@drby163]

He wasn't well liked by people when he was first introduced or in general in comics either, spiderverse made him into his own character more than the original author of his comics

[@theenderdestruction2362]

I knew of him, limitly of course but I knew of him

[@secretook]

ofc it’s different they are two different spider men

[@brendenhawley2225]

I instantly went miles is comic book character, that said he clearly part of the minority push. Not all of it went well, but miles was good. One can push diversity and have it be good, it just got be well written. Heck it can be in your face, Metal gear was not subtle,

[@frostfang7670]

Funny how they say Velma isn't defined by being white but in the same interview, "YES, Fred had to be white cause he's define by his whiteness" just to fit their vision.

[@providence1517]

Not to mention they said the original Fred was a white man who loved to hog all the credit. Not Velma's Fred, the OG Fred. That is honestly how you know they royally fucked up.

[@ragercarnage8609]

Yea, he wasn’t even the original rich character. Pretty sure that was shaggy. This series has no admiration or interest for the franchise was just needed the name to promote it.

[@sirxcasotay8834]

Man, I miss the net addict, trap man himbo

[@hannahblurp9360]

@@ragercarnage8609 Daphne is supposed to be the only rich character

[@CantusTropus]

@@ragercarnage8609 Skinsuit, that's all this is - a hollowed out shell pretending to be a beloved franchise to lure you in, but inside, nothing but enemy propaganda.

[@slothbelly5332]

it's deeply upsetting that we are in the time and age where bad show keeps on coming, while good one got canceled left and right.

[@playmaker3116]

cough cough Netflix cancelling Inside Out because they wanted a terrible decision to start 2023 cough cough

[@LocksAndChains]

@@playmaker3116 They also cancelled 1899 and the Dark Crystal show... I will never forgive.

[@ghates]

Fuck that new CEO at HBO max.. They cancelled that new Batgirl movie but put out shit like this?!

[@Sky_Blaze]

They want to keep you dumbed down. I remember ABC hyped up this show ",the family" in 2015 I watched it and was actually interested, they leave it on a cliffhanger..and they cancel it for more lame game shows/sitcoms that have been done to death. Tv execs are clueless and it's why people don't watch cable anymore.

[@VeryFamousActor]

Meerkat Manor, Rise of the Dynasty. One of the best docu-series of the last decade. And nobody knows about it... why? Because streaming services have literally made it impossible to watch.

[@Lord_Dranek]

It's funny they chose to make her Indian but they didn't give her any features of an Indian, they literally just drew Velma and coloured her in.

[@kingofichigo]

I know! It's super distracting 😑

[@baggedbread]

what features would be different tho lol

[@sacknutgaming2428]

@@baggedbread her accent maybe

[@bluesherbet2741]

I know right 😩

[@Moshpitti]

@@baggedbread Maybe something traditional jewelry or markings? I'm pretty sure even those are worn by people who like to wear their heritage on their sleeve, so to speak, but I come from a country so homogeneous that I'm honestly curious too lol

[@skuffy4930]

The entire scene with the 2 cockroaches getting down with the sickness in the first minute really did end up being perfect foreshadowing about how fundamentaly everything about this show turned out.

[@JackOfen]

Gonna call it now, this isn't Velma, this is the self-insert character of one of the writers and she is frustrated because her entire life was just consuming media which made her confuse media experience with real life experience, which makes her so bitter.

[@CrypticSquid1]

Hey now, I take exception to that: *my* entire life was just consuming media and I can assure you it doen't make one so jaundiced; this person is just a misanthrope.

[@Treyworld]

Sounds about right.

[@xthee_0nly_1x11]

This

[@laurenwasinger9436]

About a billion percent this.

[@pikslap1185]

I have a coworker like this lol. Middle class and everything.

[@Shrimpyfellow]

Fred’s dad being mad that his underage son doesn’t drink just proves this show wasn’t made to be about teenagers and the scooby doo gang

[@mattpace1026]

Probably just another poor attempt at making a "joke" about rich people, talking about how their parents will let them get away with anything.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

@@mattpace1026 the major of crystal cove want to differ

[@mattpace1026]

@@massimilianoreali4398 Wtf are you on about? That series is not at all canon with this one. Even if the town in this one has that name too, you're talking like the fictional cartoon characters are real people. Were you high when you made your comment?!

[@theenderdestruction2362]

​@@massimilianoreali4398the mayor was. Amazing father, I felt like he genuinely did care for Fred also I 100% headcannon he knew his actual parents personalities and decided they didn't deserve a child

[@ThomasThePanzerTank]

What boggles my mind is that they blatantly admitted that the writers weren’t good enough to work Scooby into this but they’ll say that people hate the show because of racism and not…..terrible writing?

[@Noelle_Holiday]

The same thing also happens with High Guardian Spice and Santa Inc., too! It's almost as if this show was desperately trying to be the spiritual successor of those two terrible shows!

[@CantusTropus]

It's not an accident. Woke writing is ALWAYS like this.

[@Noelle_Holiday]

@@CantusTropus Yeah, it's so fucking awful. Remember those days when companies only hire writers based on their portfolio and experience alone, and not because of their association with a specific "woke" group or having such an overprivileged lifestyle that they view all criticism as crimes against humanity?

[@HabitualThinker]

@@CantusTropus it’s so bad that people who are woke don’t even like it lmfao

[@viljamtheninja]

That's a pretty facetious argument though. I mean, the writing IS shit, but the fact that they couldn't work Scooby into it has nothing to do with that. A good writer isn't necessarily one that can make anything out of anything and fit anything into anything. You wouldn't say that the writers of, I don't know, Deadwood were bad writers because they couldn't work Scooby Doo into it. Any good writer would know that Scooby doesn't fit into the tone or the world of Deadwood. And the motivation seems similar here - Scooby, as a character, did not fit the themes, the tone, or the world of the show that they were going for. Nothing in that indicates bad writing. The bad writing of what is actually there is what indicates bad writing.

[@rckstvrr.]

okay , but you *CANNOT* compare Bojack Horseman to freaking Velma of all things

[@gg_sam7847]

That "Scooby don't" joke made me laugh harder than the entire show so far (barely an exhale)

[@mikekasich836]

so if Mindy kaling can justify changing the race of the character because she is a different race and identifies with them does that mean white people can do that too? can I make black panther a white guy because I identify with him? maybe we should do a remake of blade where he's played by a white guy

[@gg_sam7847]

@@mikekasich836 I don't care dude

[@HellecticMojo]

@@mikekasich836 it was already done for years. Don't be dumb

[@jai22udhdbdjdjdud]

@@mikekasich836 Let's make fat albert white

[@zaytaz9331]

@@mikekasich836 FR

[@Mels0103]

It's just like with Riverdale: they took characters that already existed, messed them up and put them in situations that have absolutely nothing to do with the original story. They may as well have just made their own characters.

[@peterang78]

True. But at least with Riverdale, later down the season it becomes more entertaining and less focus on the teen, Highschool, cringe worthy drama, meanwhile Velma is a show with no entertaining value, and is only use to mock it audience.

[@Olivia-ek9ib]

And just like Riverdale, they made sexualizing their teenage characters the main objective...

[@GAndreC]

The thing is when they tried doing their own characters they were also terrible and nobody watched even the pilot episode outside of whoever greenlit them. Like the mindy show and a whole lot of other projects that died at launch. They borrowed the Scooby Doo IP but then forgot the show is about scooby and mysteries not about a brooding teenager that gets along with nobody and is unable to see how smug and ignorant they are

[@Mels0103]

@@Olivia-ek9ib Eh, I'm not too bothered about that since they're not real.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

And just like Riverdale, the dialogues are cringe and nonsense

[@DolliMiu]

Velma is like Daria and the snooty ginger girl from Lilo and Stitch were combined to make the most obnoxiously snarky character that the creators could think up. It’s not even Velma at this point, it’s just “Pretentious self-insert in a Scooby Doo cosplay”. Edit: I like Daria. She isn’t a bad character. My point is that when you take her sarcastic wit and dial it up to 1000, you create an unlikable personality and any positive characteristics that character may have is overshadowed by their snarkiness. It’s like pouring a gallon of ketchup on a french fry… both things taste good, but when there’s way too much of one thing and way too little of another, the meal sucks. Velma took Daria’s personality and went way overboard with the edginess. Hopefully the creators learn from this and improve.

[@Mels0103]

I am SO relieved to see someone who also recognized that Daria (the character) was the worst. It's the type of show that you watch for every other character.

[@Khashmonet]

Daria was a great show, though.

[@dewolf123]

@@Mels0103 Tbf Daria being that way is what gives the charm and its the point, she's feeling like she is surrounded by idiots and just gave up optimism all together

[@descendantgaming5410]

You mean Myrtle? The answer to the snooty ginger in Lilo and Stitch

[@rockscousteau]

They need to bring in an animated Iron Skeik and he puts Velma in the Camel Clutch and offs her in episode...well the next episode

[@felipetorr148]

this show embodies the phrase "my expectations are low but what the fk"

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

My main concern was the making light of sexual assault, a stepmother doing erotic photography with the daughter in the room, and the rampant sexualization of minors. This was supposed to be a feminist retelling by Mindy Kaling, a self-proclaimed feminist. Yet it goes against everything it supposedly represents.

[@tjenadonn6158]

Mindy is just Seth MacFarlane or Jimmy Fallon/Kimmel (I honestly can't tell those two apart and am not entirely convinced they aren't the same person) but but brown, female, and without the broken clock moments of accidentally being funny.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Bro Imagine if a dude was naked and was doing that to Velma the show would be cancelled

[@SnrubSource]

Also the insane amount of racism, but I guess it's okay for Tumblr as long as it's against white people right?

[@ManiyaVinas]

Libfem

[@osmanyousif7849]

These actors are the last people to be giving us a lecture about anything, considering there own nepotism.

[@Laarye]

Velma is introduced attacking a naked girl (daphne) in a shower amongst other girls, then multiple times mentions how she would love to kill just so many people, then we find out that growing up she was horrible and over the course of years destroyed her mother's eye. The way the show comes off, if Scooby was in it, it would probably be Velma 'watching' Norville's dog, and then using peanut butter to pretend the dog is Fred while cracking jokes about peanut allergies or white people spending lots of money to watch. And I want to believe that's why Scooby wasn't allowed in the show.

[@elchomper.1063]

It was a show made in 1970 for 7 year olds to watch while they're dad beat their mom. It was never intended to be aimed at adults and that's why any Scooby Doo specifically made for an adult demographic is gonna fail.

[@rolinmaiz1694]

@@elchomper.1063 Wow, someone's bitter.

[@curosaber]

@@elchomper.1063 Wow. What crawled up your butt?

[@super_burstmode3652]

@@elchomper.1063 Gotta love people trying to be edgy for no reason lol. Not everyone had a fucked up family my friend. Most people just liked saturday morning cartoons.

[@penextrexe4380]

@@elchomper.1063 my guy, not all people had such a toxic family as yours. sad to know tho bro.

[@lyndonx]

Can't believe I'd ever miss the simple frustration of watching OG Velma falling and feeling the ground while almost calmly going "I can't find my glasses"

[@gogousa6661]

“Gosh I am looking for my glasses, what am I a white girl first time experiencing an obstacle”

[@francoquispe656]

A cult classic

[@kieranhair8973]

@@gogousa6661 Fkn hell, that's literally how the writers of this show would write that line.

[@Ibisko]

"For those of you that are visually impaired" The group of lucky people that haven't witnessed this train wreck of a show

[@x0gucx]

"I identified so much with her" In that you think you're smarter than everyone else. Never seen Velma as strictly bitter towards any of her FRIENDS

[@Resi1ience]

Clearly, she identified with the _caricature_ of Velma portrayed in this show.

[@LadyLeomon]

Real Velma actually had friends though ... Cosplay Velma has targets she manipulates and uses ... honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if she turned out to be the main villain 😒😒😒

[@Attaxalotl]

@@LadyLeomon That would've been an epic twist, but Mindy Kaling wasn't self-aware enough to do that.

[@perry6114]

I would have loved Fred to be the basic jock, i.e. the popular football player, but who has had a passion since childhood for the great mysteries of life: Atlantis, Stonehenge etc... Except that he is always misunderstood by his friends, who are not at all interested in this kind of history. During a party, he ends up talking to the girl he likes, Daphne, captain of the cheerleaders, and the conversation ends up deviating to Fred's passion for mysteries. Daphnee tells him about her passion for crime podcasts, especially those that remain unexplained or involve supernatural phenomena, such as the disappearance of a young girl who was in their university. The two end up spending the evening in a corner explaining their favorite cases and all their theories to each other but end up coming across some very rational articles debunking fake ghost videos written by a student from the same campus, Velma, also passionate about mysteries but very Cartesian in her approach. Daphne remains convinced that the mysterious disappearance of the girl is really supernatural and the two decide to contact Velma via social networks. Meanwhile, Shaggy and Scoobi also live on campus, where Shaggy works part time as a janitor because he can't afford college and they are victims of several supernatural phenomena in one of the university buildings. They too decide to go see Velma because they are terrified of what they have seen and they need to show it to an “expert”. And as time goes on, everyone meets and the team is formed.

[@falendemo546]

This sounds like a great idea!

[@princessazulaofthefirenati5870]

Why is no one funding this?

[@Gem-xc6rv]

Somehow, a theoretical from a KZbin comment about their past life was a lot better than anything Mindy Kaling just produced.

[@meooooooooooo]

​@@Gem-xc6rv yes

[@Noelle_Holiday]

Wow. You've literally just written a better show idea than Mindy ever was. Props to you!👍

[@arm0ur_099]

Ah yes, the "I'm gonna write the main character based on me bc I'm so cool, but i'm actually an insufferable horrible worthless person" move

[@500ccRabbit]

She was on the office so we have to just let her do what she wants.

[@minaisfab17]

@@500ccRabbit she WROTE for The Office

[@anerrorhasoccurred8727]

The Onision approach 💀

[@jeremysellors9405]

“I identify as her character” rewrites her completely to be herself.

[@sweetfunnycake2100]

Never forget the actual good mature shows that they cancelled for THIS.

[@pipo2704]

Omg why did they cancel Inside Job 😭 My bad this is netflix, I don't own HBO SOBS

[@ocboy5163]

Never forgive, never forget.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

like *Infinity Train?*

[@noneofyourbusiness27]

@@pipo2704 They canceled inside job?!

[@noneofyourbusiness27]

This was a while ago, but I still miss the venture bros😭

[@LePenguin]

I remember seeing the 420 joke, and I was just so confused on why they would put something referencing the stigma against adults watching animation in a show made for adults

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The same reason why they keep making fun of cliches despite having every modern media cliche in the book, they are so unaware

[@mr.j9103]

I saw that clip and was like…did they forget what show they made?

[@maryfreegirl2029]

"Self aware" bullsht

[@tjenadonn6158]

I've honestly never seen a show that hates itself, it's audience, and its source material so much while continuing to exist. I mean Michael Haneke made "Funny Games" in many ways as a slasher film that hates slasher films and the sorts of people who choose to watch slasher films (ironically it's now become legendary within the horror fandom as one of the most effective and grueling slasher films ever made,) but there's a difference between a semi-avant garde auteur doing that sort of thing for a 90 minute arthouse film and a major production company doing it with one of their most profitable properties for a show that's supposed to become a long running series.

[@fmor2779]

That is called woke comedy. Is when an inmature teen saw something work on a show but didn't got that the joke needed context, timing or, you know, sense and made up something believing it would be funny.

[@Jonjzi]

"Scooby-Don't" is a funnier joke than any attempt at humor made by the show at all.

[@williampulfer-melville8536]

Heck if they did a Flintstones animated series in this sort of style it would definitely be a yabba dabba don't

[@WDG1999]

10:31 The only remotely intelligent thing they did with Norville was have him be a streamer that reviews snack foods. The actually feels like something Shaggy would do if it was set in the modern age

[@lawnmowerdude]

8:36 that’s a really good point. It’s odd how Mindy sees herself so much in Velma, but when they make a series with her as Velma. Velma is unrecognizable personally wise.

[@whitedragoness23]

That’s what happens when your brain is constantly on drugs

[@kylehenline3245]

Kinda weird to know Mindy is so full of hate, and not even the potentially funny type of outrage.

[@liamphibia]

Well now nobody likes Mindy anymore.

[@bigj1905]

Show: You shouldn’t make fun of people just because of the way they look. Also show: Mocks Fred for having a small body part and Not Shaggy for being honest with his feelings towards Velma.

[@dryfox11]

You made the mistake of using the invisible power of “logic”

[@NarrativeOfficial]

This is truly who Hollywood dirtbags are..this is why they think the rest of the country is racist and sexist because that's who they are.so they point fingers at everyone else

[@homer_sexual]

Well they're men, so /s

[@dasadman]

Yup, imagine if anyone called the Velma of this show a fatass. They'll instantly get called out for "body shaming"

[@rockscousteau]

I just wanted to reach out and touch base with you "Big J".....I am your real dad.

[@kboi1170]

This show genuinely feels like it’s ai generated. Like, I’ve said that about a few shows before but it’s never been this true. This show has literally every single terrible eye rolling cliché stereotype that I can think of that exists in modern television… like it’s actually impressive how they managed to create something THIS lifeless and generic with not one *single* person saying “hey, let’s turn ‘x’ into ‘y’ because it’s not that good”

[@yourtimetraveleralara]

Yeah

[@irok1]

I don't think AI is this bad unless trained to make the worst possible

[@pauljerome01]

@@irok1 amalgmation of cal arts in its data, yes it can make it the worst thing you ever met

[@OmniversalInsect]

AI generated stuff is actually funny, this isn't

[@thaqiftalip2771]

Oh God. Everyone please be aware of robots.

[@enigmadrath1780]

You know what was cool about the original team? They all came from different social backgrounds and yet they got along naturally. They had very different personalities, and would sometimes joke about it, but none ever talked down to the other the way they do in this show. By implication, this show making the cast more racially diverse but having them continuously snipe at one another seems less inclusive and more "this is why we all can't get along". Nowadays it seems like show writers can't fathom interpersonal relationships that aren't cynical or outright hostile.

[@colorblockpoprocks6973]

because they made this show to be racist and will perpetuate the cycle all they want if it benefits them. they felt personally slighted by (probably imaginary) white people and then they took out that frustration on fictional white people so that they can feel better by hurting other humans who didnt do shit lol eye for an eye in this world; the sooner we stop fucking poking out innocent eyes the faster we can all see how stupid it is.

[@bigpapa2540]

The best way I can describe it is as if a bunch of children made an adult show like how they think an adult show is like.

[@Uhlersoth77]

Terminally online children, at that.

[@zaberfang]

Actual children wouldn't even write this crap.

[@I_want_a_discount_in_life]

I saw my classmates write better than this in many ocasions when they were like, 10, sure, not every child is going to be good be they sure as hell are better than this...this... thing

[@yeet12937]

@@zaberfang as a child I just want a series about cool adventures and shit 😭

[@d3nza482]

It's a show made by 40+ year-olds, for "children". When you're a generation older than your target audience you can't help thinking of them as "kids these days". And you create "for them" according to your preconceptions of "them". As kids. These days.

[@Lampironstudios215]

You poor man no one should have to suffer like this

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Honestly He is sacrificing his sanity for our entertaiment and so that we don't have to watch it 🫡

[@Lampironstudios215]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375yeah fair play to him

[@MasterJunior93]

Dude, it's easier to call this Mindy's self insert fanfiction, considering that Velma is her favorite character, and Mindy identifies so closely to her.

[@justa12packofrccola81]

It makes the fact Velma is a huge unlikable bitch even funnier

[@xryeau_1760]

Easier and more accurate

[@whitedragoness23]

She needs to lay off the drugs

[@sketchygetchey8299]

Wednesday: Fans loving it, convincing the executives to make a Season 2. Velma: Executives making a Season 2 despite universal backlash within the first two episodes.

[@ManserXD-0]

Its like they tried to turn Velma into daria but extremely failed at getting the humor right.

[@doubleplusdanny]

Velma, up next on Sick, Sad World!

[@caseyadams1861]

It also helped that Daria was her own character and not trying to be another character like Velma.

[@jeffbenzos6344]

Daria was trash too tbh

[@blueberrycyanide8616]

Feels like they tried to make Velma into a modern Daria but they changed her really drastically

[@caseyadams1861]

Daria was very cynical and misanthropic, but she wasn't insufferably leftist or constantly shoving woke ideology on people. The show was actually interesting too with funny supporting characters.

[@GreyWind1988]

It's because Mindy Kaling doesn't understand what made Daria popular.

[@blueberrycyanide8616]

@@GreyWind1988 exactly. It's trying way too hard to appeal to people with too many cliches and overly using the inclusivity trope. Daria was and will always be iconic in its own way because it wasn't only original but good. Maybe if Velma was a stand alone show on its own with everything toned down a few notches it wouldn't be so bad

[@rosemilan3149]

@@caseyadams1861 I would actually say for the time the show aired, Daria seems like she would be more liberal. The difference between Velma and Daria is most obviously that Daria isn’t an overweight, racist bigot who thinks she’s clever💀

[@CantusTropus]

Even if they were competent enough to pull that off, it still wouldn't have worked because: A)Velma simply isn't a cynical enough character to act like that; it would always have felt off B)That kind of chic nihilism isn't new or fresh anymore; it's played-out and trite. That kind of position is basically the default for a lot of people - being positive would be more surprising.

[@kaldurskipper6821]

9:55 😳Okay, but can Velma's parents not talk about a fifteen year old's body like that though? Just objectively speaking, that's a pretty weird thing to put in any show

[@Telegrxxm.me-at.The_Volgun]

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[@LadyLeomon]

That’s the stepmother, the actual mother ran away-sorry “went missing”

[@taloncormier746]

You broke my heart, Steve. I could’ve gone my whole life without knowing that this prime nomination of a one season blunder, has been gassed up for another season. Between this in the cancellation of inside job, I have further lost faith in humanity 😓

[@ravenouself4181]

Shaggy managing to display 1% of his power by making it so neither he or Scooby can appear in the show is awesome. He also let Norville borrow 0,01% of his power so he could avoid all the mean-spirited writers.

[@Pollypockets313]

w comment

[@domsayerr]

@@thetexc after all, a minimum 0.99% of shaggy's power is needed to rewrite reality

[@thedukeofnothing6421]

Norville is just this world’s spiritual guardian Shaggy assigned him to, to make sure this universe has at least one chill dude.

[@carlireland5049]

Shaggy’s just conserving his power and biding his time until he can build up enough to hop into our world and take out Zaslav and Kaling

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

@@carlireland5049not gonna lie: the idea of Matthew Lillard-Shaggy coming down just to annihilate Mindy Kaling-Velma is HILARIOUS.

[@sab3r2music22]

It would be cool if the next episodes displays how Velma loses all her friends and becomes an outcast due to her shitty behavior

[@dragonmaster1529]

I would love to see that.

[@Noelle_Holiday]

Alternatively, how about an episode in which Velma got beaten up to death or even murdered? That would be very satisfying and well-deserved.

[@David-lb5py]

It would be cool for HBO to just shelve this crap entirely

[@sab3r2music22]

@@David-lb5py Unfortunatlely I heard it got renewed FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK

[@sab3r2music22]

@@Noelle_Holiday HELL YEAH I HOPE ITS A THROWING KNIFE TO THE EYE

[@unofficial_computer]

I hate how they made Velma a stereotype of the angry black lady.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Velma is an indian in this show, but her personality is the same as a chronically online twitter user

[@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 that's terrible

[@damienearl8302]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Woah, it's almost as if the writer's a chronica-

[@Kydino]

Not a stereotype, she's literally just the show creator's self insert. If you wanna judge anyone go after her.

[@MforMovesets]

Shhh that's no stereotype that's what cartoons these days call inclusion.

[@Aaronrose575]

2:30 "the essence of Velma is not necessarily tied to her whiteness" Oh darling, you managed to remove more than her whiteness

[@arrogantlyme3165]

Let me be clear, Miles Morales was never made to be a race swapped Peter, he was made to be his own character way before the movie came to be

[@starsiadraws]

People don't know that because Marvel only saw mainstream success with the MCU and none of those people have ever picked up a comic book

[@Amy_jo_]

I hope you get more likes, people should know this!

[@Karaetify]

Yea that was the point he made in the video.

[@IzzyMarrie]

Exactly! I'm glad he pointed this out in the video, but the comic lover in me wishes he acknowledged that he wasn't ever intended to be an alternate Peter. He's always been his own person. Also, sidenote, that movie got me to reading Miles in the comics. Such a wonderful character all around, and I have a hard time saying who I love more: Miles or Peter

[@tinybitofstardust]

Exactly! My dad is a marvel fan and he didn’t like “black Peter” at first, but once he saw that Miles Morales was his own character and not a race swapped Peter Parker, he ended up liking Spiderverse

[@mellowmallow4855]

Velma could have been a show about a girl who emulated her and wanted her to be the main character. We have characters like that. They admire someone and literally base their whole life around them. And in trying to recreate the gang, she actually does uncover a hidden mystery about her town. Just...how can they not have Scooby? He's literally the show.

[@bugsauce2261]

@@Bigbruhmoment541 Oh my god, that would've actually been great!

[@mellowmallow4855]

@@Bigbruhmoment541 YES!!! (Your profile name matches your genius!)

[@jujublue4426]

So same principle as the Lupin Netflix series? That could've been interesting, at least much better than this dumpster fire

[@dolphincrescent54]

There are two things I am thankful for during this horrendous series. 1. It's given me perfect examples of HOW NOT to write a series and how I can avoid the same pitfalls. 2. Scooby isn't suffering in this series (the first of many red flags for me) because it's not deserving of his lovable nature.

[@contytub]

No matter how shit something is, it can still be used as a bad example

[@joshuaseidel4109]

My many problems is that they completely ignore her cannon sexuality which is bisexual. She’s not lesbian because her and Shaggy WERE IN A RELATIONSHIP.

[@Underworlder5]

@@joshuaseidel4109 i guess bisexuality is not "gay enough" or something like that. considering the priorities the show places, that would not surprise me

[@joshuaseidel4109]

@@Underworlder5 long story short, instead of laughing I’m cringing.

[@CallieCrossroad]

It feels like the creator was a fan of Scooby-Doo, and a REALLY BIG fan of Daria, and tried to mix the two...

[@bezoticallyyours83]

Daria was sarcastic and anti-social, but she wasn't the bully most of the time.

[@diegojose4173]

The guys at the Roundtable say it best. "Velma is trying to make fun and deconstruct Riverdale and other Edgy teen dramas, not Scooby-Doo"

[@tjenadonn6158]

And it's not even doing that well. Doing the horrible thing and the turning directly to camera and saying "Isn't this horrible?" is to deconstruction and satire what jumpscares are to horror.

[@kingkazuma2239]

Then it should not be called Velma or have anything to do with Scooby-Doo and should've been it's own original show with original characters

[@bartoszjedlinski6808]

Can we instead of deconstraction do some construction ? Like, build something new?

[@shorewall]

@@bartoszjedlinski6808 :D For real. But I think Corporate America, including Hollywood, has run dry. Gotta look elsewhere.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

9:26 There is such a great quote calling out this BS. "What did you expect me to say if I wanted to make a good impression? Something along the lines of 'I'm not mean, I'm just honest with myself and everyone else'? That's what people use as an excuse when they want to keep up their saccharine facade while still saying whatever nasty little thoughts spring to mind." This fits with this version of Velma so well.

[@briannakatrail]

It's funny to say she identify with Velma then change literally everything about her personality

[@shorewall]

For real. Like, is this what she got from Velma? :D

[@chasejones6164]

Guess she can only play one character.

[@seekittycat]

Turns out she meant her OC "Velma"

[@ThatGuyLegend]

It is called a self insert

[@fordtaurus19]

I feel bad for the animators who worked on this show. They put in a lot of effort for the show to be just bad from every other aspect.

[@ahmedaliyu1495]

Animation Decent

[@ivanbluecool]

The only good thing about this show is it made me watch mystery incorporated again and wow the show is better than I remember. Velma is also annoying at times there with how she is trying to change shaggy to fit her ideals which is never good in any relationship but she's a likable character still.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Velma somehow makes MCU She Hulk likable and I thought that was impossible

[@ivanbluecool]

@Julian “Jules” R yeah but I saw that many times already growing up. Loved it but best I don't have that much time on my hands with college starting

[@ivanbluecool]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 I just rope all these self insert characters in the same boat myself

[@tjenadonn6158]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 She Hulk is unforgivable enough just for wasting Tatiana Maslany. If you've seen her in "Orphan Black" you know she's an outstanding actress who can do serious action and be downright chilling. Instead of taking advantage of those skills they put her in a complete joke series and now that's all she'll be remembered for: it's like how nobody talked about "Leaving Las Vegas" once Nic Cage starred in "Wicker Man."

[@chuggaa100]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 She Hulk is fine dude. So overblown

[@DrFouFou]

"Everyone could relate to velma, even me! So I made her only relate to me and me only. Man this Show is Gonna Be So Good!" -Mindy Killing

[@magnuspadkaer6588]

“A R-rated origin story of how the scoobygang first got together, through the eyes of Velma, as she attempts to solve the mystery of her missing mother, but then a serial killer kills one of her classmates, Velma’s blamed for the crime, and she now needs to clear her own name.” Honestly pitched like that, the story could have been interesting, but the execution just isn’t there

[@HangryOnPaws]

Agreed. It's sad to see that potential go to waste.

[@ShadowRulah]

I was stoked when I first heard about it, I could really get behind a darker Scooby show that played with adult humor but if you're going to change literally everything about the characters then why are we even doing this?

[@elchomper.1063]

Failed at R rated. STOP TRYING TO MAKE SCOOBY DOO FOR ADULTS.

[@shorewall]

@@elchomper.1063 Yep, like why.

[@nota444tm2]

Yeah thing is, this gang aint getting together. At all.

[@AFoolWhoPlaysItCool]

it feels like for the first time in a century, everyone has united together to hate on something.

[@chocolate_kitty]

I feel like if this show was setting Velma up to be the villain protagonist or something, then I see no point of her constantly spitting venom at everyone.

[@Diresilence]

Difference between Bojack and Velma is this. Bojack struck me similarly to a painting. As it starts out, it isn't anything, but it's perking your interest as it slowly unfolds into something interest. It also did a pretty good job at poking phone at tropes and issues that it wanted to. Velma is clearly just checking boxes of what's wrong with current hollywood writing. It's mean spirited, horribly written, and as always the white male character is treated like a buffoon to the point where he literally doesn't know how to cut up his own food on his plate. It's not going to get better. It's only going to get more mean spirited, before it inevitably makes a run against the audience as the ratings tank and the creator gets more pissy.

[@Lilitha11]

They don't treat Fred any worse than they do any of the other characters. All the characters get the same treatment.

[@Elizabean1984]

Eh... there are plenty of shows out there that make fun of m-... black people I think it's fair that one makes fun of Vanilla Gorillas.

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@Elizabean1984 It's one-note shit; Dave Chappelle made these jokes constantly in his show without it getting old for either white or black people. I don't even mind racist humor but if a show resorted to the same jokes over and over again about any ethnic group the show would get old really fast. That seems to be a recurring theme, anyway. They ue that joke and the "we're so meta and self-aware" joke. You can't make a plurality of your comedy show's content about two jokes.

[@JoshuaRWorkman]

They already did take a shot at adults who still watch cartoons.

[@Elizabean1984]

@@CrizzyEyes It seemed to also be making a joke about how teenagers act like the world revolves around them... I'm not even defending the show either. PS: Dave Chappelle is Transphobic unironically. 💀

[@samueldavid1621]

As others have said: No Hate Watching! Don't finish the rest of the series because completing it (even to hate on it fully) still gives them the ratings and viewership they need to continue pumping out steaming piles like this that contain the new tropes universally hated.

[@eli_corn]

or if they really want to watch it, just pirate it like the good old days of the internet

[@bigdick69lol28]

I’ve pirated the first four episodes so far. This show is not worth pirating

[@animezilla4486]

Too bad nobody with common sense is going to listen because I already found one KZbinr that's hate watching a show right now

[@redpanda6497]

@@animezilla4486 That's why we have to spread this message.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@animezilla4486 Oh, so you're here, too. That makes complete sense. Yeah, I remember when you loved Cuties when it first came out. It makes so much sense now. Hey, didn't you tell me that I shouldn't blame Mindy Kaling for this show, since you _seem to think that she has nothing to do with it, when she _*_produced_*_ and is also the _*_head writer_*_ for it?_

[@Noradeer]

Nothing brings more joy than seeing this show being completely forgotten 10 months later

[@JerseyWolf]

Everytime Mindy creates a show, she self inserts herself as the main character.

[@entrapta.exe_]

yeesh. if that's not an inflated ego i don't know what is

[@HafidzMurshidie]

What other show she’s done..? I just wanna hate on something today…

[@portofthoughts4477]

She doesn't have to be the main character either, I'm pretty sure Kelly from The Office was a self insert lol

[@batatavada7843]

@@HafidzMurshidie Never Have I Ever, Sex Lives of College Girls, The Mindy Project

[@whatever8549]

@@portofthoughts4477 Kelly started off completely different and just became Mindy in the end. It's insane

[@JannieDaMannie]

The show made me regret giving it low expectations, I noticed that that was too generous of me..

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

I had the lowest expectations and I was still dissapointed

[@LadyFairyBugz]

What really annoys me from an art standpoint is how there isn't a consistent art style. It seems each character has a completely different style of art

[@Itariatan]

Not even. I think it's just Velma who looks different to everyone else and it throws me off so bad. The animation is also pretty stilted, save for some select scenes.

[@SamtheBravesFan]

Kind of. I think Not Velma is the only one that looks drastically different

[@hitfasthithard]

I think so too!

[@Just_A_Rando29]

Glad I'm not the one who noticed that, it just annoyed me so much seeing how the art style is so inconsistent

[@colorblockpoprocks6973]

i straight up feel like the art style is the only consistently decent thing in the whole show. it looks decent, i'd watch it if it werent *this*

[@cocobeans-cb3np]

how did this become a detective show to a girl finding out her sexuality and stuff I honestly appreciate that no one took the show by its race and stuff but by how the plot goes

[@TimelessWonderOfficial]

One problem with a lot of shows like these is that they’ll say something mildly humorous, then immediately kill all comedic value by running the joke into the ground with unnecessary dialogue

[@grimnyc216]

No

[@carsonselby4079]

@@grimnyc216 yes

[@TimelessWonderOfficial]

@@grimnyc216 ?

[@grimnyc216]

@@TimelessWonderOfficial nothing about this show is funny

[@benito1620]

The rick and morty school of comedy, repeat and drag out every joke until the audience want to strangle the writers.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

About Into the Spiderverse, I want to point out that Miles has existed prior to the movie. His backstory is somewhat of an adaptation of his origin comic; Spiderman dies and Miles becomes the new Spiderman, but is inexperienced. He's both trying to fill big shoes while also being his own person. If people think Miles is just a race-swapped Peter, they clearly don't know Miles. Especially since Peter already existed in Miles' universe. Also, for Scooby not being in the show, Warner Bros. outright forbade them from using Scooby.

[@joshwillingham4592]

Yep. Miles works perfectly fine. *Especially* the way they did it in Into the Spider Verse. He's an inheritor of a mantle in a sense, and they pass it off respectfully, with old veteran Peter Parker along with a bunch of AU spidies (something they've done with the spiderman story before) acting as mentors. The race of the character was only very lightly related to the story. Who he was as a person was first and foremost, and he was neither just a race swapped version of the original, nor was their treatment of the old guard horrible. Granted Peter was at a somewhat embarrassing low point, but to be fair that's like 80% of his story arcs, and having to be a teacher woke the hero back up.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@@joshwillingham4592 You mean Peter B. Parker? His entire arc was about picking himself back up and getting out of his funk. He made a good teacher to Miles and they helped each other improve.

[@comment1353]

I don't understand why shows that people almost collectively hate get renewed for a second season with only 2 episodes being released so far, yet some shows that people really love and get amazing reception from audiences get cancelled after one season. Things really are backwards.

[@Hadgerz]

The money doesn't matter. It's about pushing the Message.

[@marweha7002]

@@Hadgerz what message tho?

[@wolfpudding6904]

Probably someone has rich parents

[@joshuacain9845]

Too many people hate watching?

[@rhysjonsmusic]

Failing upward

[@monkeycat48]

Funny thing about this character, you look her up on heroes wiki you’ll never find her on heroes wiki. You can only find her on villains wiki. She is described as a obsessed egotist. The crimes she commits is just unbelievable. The part about her being run over it was hilarious. I mean I don’t know what they were thinking adding Mindy Kaling on there. As far as I’m concerned with Puss in boots, last wish being a meme with your own irredeemable monster apparently there was a joke made where Scooby Doo fans call Mindy Kaling an irredeemable monster