Regretfully, I watched the rest of Velma...

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Morbid curiousity got the best of me, and regretfully I ended up watching the rest of HBO's Velma series. I had lots of comments telling me that the show managed to sink itself further into the abyss, but part of me also thought that it couldn't be THAT bad, and that the series must have had SOME salvage towards the end. Boy was I mistaken...
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[@shori200]

👍

[@denifnaf5874]

You watched the rest of velma! Why did you do this to yourself?

[@Imperials3nate]

Mr Steve, to commemorate your sacrifices on this terrible series, we offer you a reward worth the watch. Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated! If you've ever seen Zombie Island, you can think it that, mixed with Gravity Falls! Highly recommend.

[@MercenaryX21]

Don't worry, they're gonna go after and grape captain cave man as well. And it will be brutal.

[@diegoizaguirre3452]

It think it be good to review mystery incorporated and be cool to wash the taint from Velma.

[@metal6948]

The Velma show should be taught in psychology classes as an example of what a narcissist’s perception of the world is like

[@nekominorinya2569]

I think showing this crap to students would be considered torture and end up with students cutting their wrists

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

And if that was what they were going for, I’d like that. No. Genuinely. If Velma was just a narcissistic sociopath and they were honest about that fact and give her comeuppance for it, that would make a better show.

[@metal6948]

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 The fact of the matter is that Velma is made by the creator as a self insert, and is often portrayed as in the right or defendable in her actions. The show unintentionally exposed Mindy Kaling's true colors lmao. If you aren't convinced, go back and watch some other things she's worked on. There's a pattern of red flags that eventually all culminated in the putrid cesspit that was the Velma show.

[@bradencosier80]

I thought you were going to say as a form of psychological torture

[@tuckemon]

I think I'd rather be waterboarded while having someone hook up my nuts to a car battery then watch Velma. But I get where you're coming from. It's a fascinating as well as sad how much of a narcissist Mindy is. And yet can't seem to get a clue that being a narcissist with zero talent is a horrible combination.

[@hootle4641]

Velma being Mindy's self insert is horrifying when you think about how delusional and toxic Velma is.

[@archivedchaos00256]

how to tell everyone you are a horrible person

[@titanus261]

The only good point of the show is to not take example out of her

[@aidanmatthewgalea7761]

you don't need to know anything about Velma to know how awful Kahling is. knowing about Velma also tacks on the shit-tinted lense called "narcissistic personality disorder"

[@aleiferthenorthman7935]

she even sexuallly assaulted a dude and threatened to fire him if he says smthg

[@T0NYMANUEL]

Facts bruh. Shows how horrible and bitter some people are out there...and if these people get power it will be the end of it

[@crusaderknight4792]

That "what did scooby doo" line is a war-crime.

[@keremgunes2893]

This show itself is a war-crime

[@ThePopo543]

Ikr I cringed so hard when I heard it that my eyes sunk into the back of my head.

[@xwingknight]

The line had literally no purpose other than an equally obvious and horrendous reference

[@skontejonte]

Must have been the russians writing it then

[@theeeveelutionist7245]

It’s worse than Dragons the Nine Realms

[@Flowerfairyy27]

Funny how Mindy also made the other 3 members of the gang fall in love with her self-insert version of Velma. Very interesting.

[@floridasavannah]

If literally anyone was going to have 3 characters fall in love, it's either Daphne (Fred, Velma, Shaggy) or Fred (Daphne, Shaggy, Velma). Either harem would be way better than the stories from this garbage triangle.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@floridasavannahI could see shaggy going for fred being a better plot than this shit too

[@Fieldperson]

​@@floridasavannahI feel like it's too weird to have any of them in a love square (besides couples like Daphne and fred) and (Velma and shaggy the way they were in MI) imagine if your friend group were all pineing for you, creepy, and weird.

[@floridasavannah]

@Fieldperson my dearly beloved, have you ever read a harem-style fanfic/manga/webtoon/anime? Sure, if this was irl, I'd shrivel up into a ball and die, but this is a common trope.

[@Fieldperson]

@@floridasavannah I do read fanfic, I'm talking about for a show for adults, and I assume they'd want a broad audience, not the 16 year olds (yes I know older peope also read worny smut but id assume a fair amount of readers started reader as minors or are minors) reading smut

[@Bubbles_69921]

At this point, I'd accept Scobby's introduction just if he mauled Velma like only a large sized dog can do.

[@togahimiko6742]

There's a video someone made where this does happen. It's actually a really cool mystery, I think it's called something like "The Truth About Velma". I don't remember for sure, though.

[@Bubbles_69921]

Thanks, you just made my night less boring

[@imalltheragex2000]

Let's hope season two is just one episode where that happens and then the episode and show just ends

[@rigboy1234]

Someone suggested that Scooby could be some kind of company dog because of Shaggy having a dis capacity, which Is honestly a cool reason to have him everywhere

[@giroandkarin2822]

​@@togahimiko6742Velma meets the original Velma is what it's called

[@PixelIsaiah]

Fred literally about to have his brain cut out by his parents: Velma: "and you think YOU'RE a victim? Wow."

[@marley7868]

*she says while being setup to be the primary beneficiary given how she acted based on the earlier parts of the show

[@Espartanica]

Best part is how she talks about having everything handed to him, after literally being about to have his entire life handed to her because she's "Just good enough to deserve it"

[@Basedhistoryenjoyer]

Shes a walking, talking, breathing and living twitter thread istg

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@Basedhistoryenjoyer You know if they just said that she’s a sociopath with narcissistic personality disorder who only wants her mom back because she inflated her ego and gives her presents I would like the show better because at least then they’re being honest about how terrible Velma really is.

[@TheMadcap919]

See, in that scene where Velma says all that to Fred, all I could imagine was a Hotdiggedydemon clip that went like this (this is by the way, how I would’ve responded)… _ARE YOU INSANE?! ARE YOU JUST COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL!?! DO YOU HAVE A SINGLE IOTA OF LOGIC OR REASON IN YOUR DUMB, EMPTY HEAD!?!!_

[@vegeta002]

Fun fact; Velma actually has a page on the _villains_ wiki.

[@ryuunosuk3]

Lol.

[@vilmublues752]

Good.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

😂 Gawd Damn

[@2006HondaCivicD]

*Deserved*

[@baryardeni9731]

LOL, ironic, isn’t it?

[@prof.laytonfan764]

I remember seeing someone ask why Velma is hated when Big Jack Horner, who’s a similar type of character, is liked. Simply put Jack is written as a villain while Velma is written as a hero. Unlikeable traits work when it’s on a character your supposed to root against, not for a protagonist. Unless of course the protagonist learns to be a better person, but nowadays writers forget that part.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Jack Horner also is much, MUCH funnier than Velma and is self aware at how much of an awful human being he is.

[@prof.laytonfan764]

Exactly. Jack KNOWS he’s an asshole. Velma however is convinced that she’s always in the right and it makes so goddamn insufferable.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@prof.laytonfan764 Jack enjoys being a villain and loves his job and is completely unapologetic when he turns his henchmen into confetti and keeps the cricket, just so that he can break his mentality and spirit.

[@redpanda6497]

And Velma is needlessly cynical. I don't like those type of people.

[@MoonLoonie69]

Jack Horner is also a very fun villain. He relishes in the fact he’s evil. He doesn’t try to hide it. Plus he’s really funny.

[@pokerface4396]

I kinda feel bad for Sophie. She got together with a supposed widower, had to endure his psychopathic daughter, got pregnant, and had to deal with the step-daughter attacking both her AND her baby, then got kicked out of the house when the man's wife suddenly reappeared. For someone who talks about how much women of color have it worse, Velma has no issues with being awful to women of color who inconvenience her.

[@maxcloud753]

Not to mention the fact that she was constantly nice to and supported Velma and rescued her from one of her fake hallucination/heart attack things and therefore literally saved her life in the first episode. Where Velma was awful and called her a bitch immediately beforehand, didn't thank Sophie for saving her life, and immediately went back to treating Sophie like garbage afterward!

[@arlexdawn7848]

If you watched it its your fault its still running instead of being canceled

[@pokerface4396]

@@arlexdawn7848 I didn't watch it. I read the synopsis to each episode as well as episode recaps.

[@jacobesterson]

@@pokerface4396 Good move. Respect.

[@Ariaelyne]

@@arlexdawn7848 It is extremely odd for a company to make a 10 episode series order, the 2nd season was likely already ordered before the show even premiered.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it yet but Velma is abusive as heck. 1. She constantly insults and manipulates those around her including her supposed love interests/best friends. 2. Constantly puts down everyone else as less than her for their race, gender, and appearance. 3. She insulted Norville and Gigi by saying that he's only with her because she's easy. 4. She beat Daphne, her former friend, with a crowbar and wishes she hit her harder so she died. 5. She also broke into Fred's house, constantly body shames him for things beyond his control, never apologized for falsely accusing him which led to him being humiliated and shot, and then tells him she finds him revolting after he becomes a feminist. 6. She twerks over his mother's corpse while Norville is throwing up his guts over the fact he just killed someone and she doesn't think twice to go and help him. 7. She also accused, without evidence mind you, Norville's dad of being the killer and didn't even apologize to either one of them. 8. She locks out her father, stepmother, and newborn half-sister out of their own home just so she can have it with her mom, who never really cared about her and why would she? She's a terrible human being and a terrible detective who treats everyone who isn't her like sh*t. The real Velma would be disgusted by this version.

[@skystoyhunts7225]

Wtf that's messed up.

[@TheRisingHeroz]

A problem is is that when they call Velma out or she does the "I was wrong" speech she goes right back to being an absolute asshole. You can't have a character be a complete ass and then when it turns on them, they apologize and don't really learn from it.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@TheRisingHeroz Honestly, if the point was that Velma was a complete b*tch and this causes issues for her in her investigation like because she got Fred in jail unjustly, people don't trust and avoid her so she's not able to get clues from eyewitness sources or constantly pushing her friends away leads to them not wanting anything to do with her. Unfortunately, it isn't.

[@TheRisingHeroz]

@Annie and Elsie of Arendelle that would have been a better idea. What bothered me also is that Velma literally says to the two cops "she could kill them all" about Daphne (their adopted daughter) and her friends and don't do anything. Meanwhile Fred gets shot in the knees (nothing comes of that like the police department getting sued) and that stupid courtroom scene of Fred being an idiot. Plus they have no evidence that Fred did it!

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@TheRisingHeroz Exactly. Okay, he did act insane in court so maybe, but Velma did threaten death and actually committed assault against Daphne so...Velma should at least have a restraining order on her.

[@Chudpope]

Dude, I'm calling up a hospital to have you detained for your own safety. Watching Velma is clearly a means of self harm.

[@bluemagician9724]

You mean a psych ward

[@mrfrog0913]

​@@bluemagician9724mental hospital, same difference

[@hoodiez6384]

Everyone lets not forget this...somewhere in our world is a person who watches this show and actually praises and loves Velma and thinks its the better version

[@thaiangquoc9505]

That's mindy kaling

[@deandrenicholas2545]

​@thaiangquoc9505 it's just her too... but then again, I have always hated Mindy Kaling. Her terrible acting, her ridiculous voice... just everything about her grates my ballsack.

[@Jinjetica]

and they...are just as problematic as the "protagonist" in this series

[@ThePopo543]

So the average twitter user

[@Necromediancer]

They'd have to actually be mentally ill to like this show, it only appeals to narcissists. No sane person can like this, at least I like to believe so.

[@ロロノアゾロ-h4m]

This is definitely Mindy Kaling's power fantasy turned into a show. Take notice how ALL characters eventually turn into a doormat for Velma even though she's an extremely abusive, manipulative, and narcissistic person. She suffers zero consequence for the things she does (except getting planted to a wall by Daphne, which is honestly such a victorious moment) and she always feels like she's always right regardless of how cruel or how shitty the things she's doing. Yeah, this is Mindy's dream life.

[@domicraft6341]

A self insert mary sue. Amazing.

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

Mindy-Vision anyone?

[@gerdiopedacosta7416]

My own character used to be like this shit, then I changed it when I realized people would enjoy a good story

[@daniapfel9673]

Aaahhh !!!

[@lumityviktuuristanartist4100]

​@@domicraft6341 she's not even a Mary Sue, mary sues ARE PERFECT , with zero flaws , velma- Wayyy far from a mary sue , to think they even failed a mary sue , says alot

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

We live in a society in which Bionicles are no longer in production and Velma gets a second season. Truly, we live in the worst timeline.

[@marley7868]

least we have the movies and games rough times don't mean awful world it will pass

[@Goddot]

no, we live in the dumbest timeline.

[@veraaurelis8931]

Oh man. I loved the Bionicles movies! I can’t even remember how far back that was...

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

@@Goddot Bruh, Rome fell. The thread of prophecy is severed; the world is doomed.

[@conndor2753]

You get a like for mentioning Bionicle. That shit was my childhood.

[@RogueT-Rex8468]

“She kicked me so hard my tubes are now tied.” THANK GOD. SHE CANT BREED.

[@leibniz4455]

Survival of the fittest

[@KennethBlum-sl6rx]

The only line that even closely resembles humor.

[@orkutfinance]

The animation of this show is well enough to depict the seething self hatred and bitterness of Mindy Kaling Every time Velma grimaced or smirked, you could feel the anger of a 40 year old mean girl who peaked in middle school and now is taking out her anger on others.

[@inurokuwarz]

It's a pretty harsh condemnation of this show that it wants to be "Adult" but all the characters are highschool age.

[@numnaut1314]

@@inurokuwarz Yeah... especially how they depict high schoolers in a way that I can't say because KZbin would delete my comment. (Cough, cough first scene of the show) I can't be the only one who is creeped out by it.

[@pauliusiv6169]

the creators of this show have themselves a heavy 'white= opressor, black=oppressed, and everyone else is a class traitor' mindset and it's telling in every aspect of the show (the purpose of this show isn't even really entertainment, it's to propogate that racial narrative)

[@lioraselby]

​@@numnaut1314just say it anyways so we can understand what you mean

[@numnaut1314]

@@lioraselby No. Use context clues.

[@ShadyDoorags]

Why didn't Fred's mom just hypnotize him to be a better CEO? Clearly the "snapping cure" isn't that big of a deal since Velma was hypnotized for 2 years straight.

[@kudraabdulaziz3096]

👊😎 Word

[@pokerface4396]

@@kudraabdulaziz3096 that whole "switch brains" plot is full of it. She could have sent Fred to a more expensive private school, so he would get the best education and be mentored to improve his management skills. Fred is obviously not stupid, absorbs new information like a sponge, and wants recognition from his parents, so making him a good CEO shouldn't be that hard.

[@lemmythebulldog8812]

Well now, fancy meeting you here Shady!

[@StripesZB]

Because the brain of a queer brown woman is obviously scientifically superior to the brain of a straight white guy.

[@ghostfaced4893]

YOOOOOOO i didn't expect to see you here :0

[@keyboardwarrior3702]

Theory. A therapist diagnosed Mindy as narcissistic, so she made this show to rewrite her high school life and prove just how good and special and perfect she is. Because you can't be a narcissist if you're legitimately better than littereally everyone, right?

[@kayakat1869]

Sounds scarily accurate.

[@Mustafa70116]

oh this might be the nail. She does seem to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I noticed many Narcissists go out of their way to self sabotage too. Like she did with this show.

[@timmyb7734]

The Karen Effect

[@joshuaslawson9125]

It would also explain the constant digs at therapists.

[@drago6568]

@@joshuaslawson9125 i had that thought during the video

[@ThePopo543]

From this summary we can see that: -Velma is the writer's self-insert. -the show is the writer's literal Scooby-Doo fanfiction that somehow got the greenlight to get turned into an actual cartoon. -the writer uses Velma as a mouthpiece for her own views. -the writer injects her ideologies into the show at every possible moment, even when, and especially when, it's not relevant to the story and serves no purpose. -the writer legit shows her true sh* tty irl personality through the character instead of acting and playing a freaking fictional character like she's supposed to. -all the other main characters constantly fawn (aka si* mp) over Velma for no reason. -all the other main characters actually fall in love with Velma at some point. -Velma gets quite a bit of uncomfortably inappropriate scenes despite her being of high school age. Make of that what you will. -Velma constantly acts like a total pos yet never suffers the consequences of her own actions. -everyone in the show immediately forgives Velma for whatever she did when she literally f* ing hurt them. -Velma ends up getting all the credit for solving the case at the end even though it was a team effort. Verdict: Velma is the ultimate Mary-Sue and she totally snatched the crown right from Ebony Dark'Ness Dementia Raven Way's cold dead vampire hands.

[@EllenMF12]

'Velma meets the original Velma' is so much better than the actual new 'Velma'

[@BananaJonesMom]

This is such an underrated comment 😂

[@Wolffman109]

What about Captain Marvel, who's so overpowered that she's practically unusable as a superhero, or She-Hulk, who can literally rewrite reality to paint herself in a better light and is literally nothing more than "I hate men" propaganda?

[@justaghostinthesea]

​@Wolffman109 I see someone's got a bone to pick

[@Wolffman109]

@@justaghostintheseaCan you really blame me? Hey, at least I didn't get into Sam Wilson defending terrorism and using his race to guilt-trip the audience into accepting him as Captain America.

[@michaelkitchin9665]

Velma feels like it was written by people who never got over being bullied at school. Or mildly scolded at work. Or chastised by their parents. Or got an answer they didn't want to hear from the therapist couch. Perpetually bitter people.

[@inebriatedfowl3197]

it's called a narcissist

[@michaelkitchin9665]

@@inebriatedfowl3197 Oh, absolutely.

[@iantaakalla8180]

It could just merely be an egotistical person, or a prideful person, given the right circumstances

[@donutbevil9669]

@@iantaakalla8180 Both are traits of narcissism.

[@redpanda6497]

I feel like she was the bully, but she pretends to be a victim.

[@metamaster5469]

Velma is basically if Bojack Horseman never got punished for his actions.

[@werewolflover8636]

Bojack wasn’t a racist unlike the characters on display in this shit show!

[@Hohhot]

And if it also wasn’t funny and BoJack was even less likable and the side characters aren’t likable either

[@tossoutacc9241]

The difference is at least bojack is well written and the writers intentionally made him shitty

[@athena9872]

Don’t compare this to BOJACK 😭

[@MannyJazzcats]

​@@HohhotBoJack isn't supposed to be likable...he's a Trainwreck of a horse headed humanbeing,that's the point

[@ATOMIC_ALLIGATOR]

There's only two things to say positive about Velma! 1. The animation and art style is actually good 2. It teaches us what NOT to do when making a show

[@RogueT-Rex8468]

Problem is I can’t get any experience from number 2 as I don’t watch nor recall anything I see of it in reviews other than “show bad. Very bad”

[@Ben7892]

Sadly. I cant look the animation with positivity when I hear the dialogue. And even after hearing it I cant look at the animation in a positive way

[@Bashaka104]

Well, animation and art style being good is not actuallt true

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

​@@Bashaka104it's good for western adult cartoon standards

[@goingunder2548]

3. It makes you feel a hell of a lot more competent in your own creative work

[@Sw33tLilMonstr]

I'm honestly starting to get concerned that they're intentionally making things bad. HBO cancelled good shows like infinity train and final space. And then green light terrible shows that are universally hated like Velma. Hated shows are getting more attention than good shows. So now any genuinely well written story is gonna be thrown out for trash like this🥺

[@crfstewarje]

At least we still have Arcane.

[@isaacvitela5131]

​@secretagentman shhhhhh don't give em any ideas

[@bthsr7113]

If this really is the trend, we are in for an awful few years.

[@matthewbuckley7757]

Velma doesn’t deserve a second season hell it doesn’t deserve to exist.

[@TheBestEverEverEver]

@@bthsr7113 it’s been the trend for almost 20 years now. It’s why every piece of media has been trash since like 2005. They just got too far in their heads with the woke agenda and it’s destroyed everything. From music to movies to TV. It’s all race baiting and trying to divide people based on race and sex because it’s effective at selling tickets.

[@laughingmask3118]

I think this is the ONLY show where "It was all a dream" would be an acceptable twist. Like have ACTUALLY VELMA wake up from a coma and tell SHAGGY AND SCOOBY and Daphne and Fred about her nightmares and that's the series finale. I WILL ENDORSE "It was all a dream" FOR THIS SHOW PLEASE DEAR SWEET BABY JESUS SOMEONE MAKE THE SHOW RUNNERS DO THAT

[@Azmeaiel]

The only other cannon I will accept is...the characters got mind controlled by by some big bad into becoming completely obnoxious and unlikable to ruin their popularity.

[@conndor2753]

"And I was such a BITCH, too."

[@proselytefever]

Would be the funniest troll ever and go down as comedy genius if at the end Velma said: "And the worst part of it all, was I was BLACK!"

[@johnnym3071]

​@@proselytefevermaybe replace "worst of all" with, "for some reason"

[@imalltheragex2000]

I was literally saying the same thing while watching this

[@tynrova9639]

The entire show is just Mindy's high school fever dream where everyone wants her, and no matter how cynical she is, it turns out to be okay.

[@geomania8533]

Makes you wonder if Mindys character is actually mentally disabled. Would explain why she’s always like this and why she’s a jerk

[@Necromediancer]

​@@geomania8533narcissism is technically a mental disorder

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

That's too harsh on cynical people

[@lukaswithakay]

Except she’s not cynical, she’s a bad person.

[@lastpringle8904]

It's actually comedic how Fred was supposed to be the character you hate, but ends up being the most liked one He's the only fucking character that has character development and it's beautiful You couldn't convince me to like fucking Norville. His name sounds like the name of a town no one lives in

[@hatad321]

Norville is Shaggy's actual name, way before this show.

[@rigboy1234]

Funny thing Is even Shaggy himself has that name and hates It

[@aporue5893]

the concept of a big-kid fred is actually kind of cute shame it's ruined by the insults and mysogyny from ''velma'' and the other characters groaning ''what a stupid man''

[@EncontheCrow]

That's because it should be Shaggy its an endearing and beloved nickname for him. But that wouldn't make sense considering how bad this show is nothing is endearing or lovable...

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

There’s a trope called “John Walker effect” in which a character the audience is supposed to hate (and is oftentimes used as a straw man by the writer) is instead loved because he does things, calls the so-called protagonists out on their nonsense, and has actual character development. The term is named after the portrayal of John Walker/U.S.Agent on The Falcon and The Winter Soldier (A reminder that TFATWS is the show that had The Falcon, one of the characters the audience was supposed to be rooting for, telling someone that the terrorists who had committed acts of terror as part as a terror campaign weren’t terrorists and that the people they had attacked needed to “do better”). I’m a fan of both Steve Rogers/Captain America and John Walker/U.S.Agent, so I’m tickled pink the TFATWS writers’ attempts to make audiences hate Walker backfired royally.

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

Gosh, Reading up on Mindy Kaling's tough life, I can see how she became so cynical & bitter. Oh wait, She had wealthy parents, went to great Schools, got incredible opportunities right out of College and never seemed to have suffered any hardship whatsoever.

[@Attaxalotl]

"I am so sick of rich people like you not only not realizing how much is handed to them, but still thinking _they're_ the victims when they mess everything up because of their lazy entitlement and fragile egos" -Velma, in Velma It's *_so close_* to self aware. With the right setup, that one line would've sent the entire show from whatever sub-basement in the tenth circle of hell it's in now to actually something with the tiniest amount of merit by re-contextualizing how insufferable the show had been up to that point. It would show that the show and the people making it aren't afraid to laugh at themselves! It still would've been too much setup for not enough payoff IMO, but it would be a legendary twist!

[@ShinraTheSketcher]

Yeah, Jews and Indians, every time

[@midnightstatic9437]

@@ShinraTheSketcherhey maybe we d o n t say that-

[@ShinraTheSketcher]

@@midnightstatic9437 I'll say it every time and you'll look at it

[@goawayplease6456]

Oooh. That explains a lot about velma

[@TheFacelessStoryMaker]

Velma honestly reminds me of 2 girls 1 cup. You think by the title it couldn't be bad. But you hear people saying how horrible it is. So morbid curiosity creeps in and you are scarred for life.

[@samlovatt6966]

good point

[@frogglen6350]

I mean, the trailer tells you it's gonna be bad. Just based off of black washing alone, it was an immediate red flag.

[@DanielDeLeon69]

​@@samlovatt6966 Roman reigns

[@singletona082]

I remember. No matter how hard I try not to. That is why I won't touch this show iwth a fifty fucking foot pole.

[@ThatSexyNerdReacts]

But this has a season 2 😱😱😱😱

[@wallygator92]

Scrappy Doo is no longer the worst thing to happen to the Scooby Doo franchise.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Scrappy Doo is looking good so far

[@skystoyhunts7225]

This show makes me miss him

[@BreadHart]

Scrappy was a ratings draw back during his early year, he kind of saved the franchise. So Scrappy has much more credibility than this.

[@battlion507]

@@BreadHart And Honestly, Scrappy, while flawed and slightly annoying to certain people, he's a good hearted pup just looking out for his relative, Scoob and his friends. Sure, the rough em up approach against the spooky costumed kooks and his "PUPPY POWER" quote would tend to be grating, but that kinda endeared me, because no matter how small he is, he will fight for his friends and for Canine Justice! I just hope the stench of the time when Hanna Barbara had other copied "mystery gang plucky sidekicks" (like the shark: hyuk, hyuk, hyuk, or a talking car: ptf ptff pffff!) is lightened up and brought back, but a bit better this time.

[@2006HondaCivicD]

Scrappy Doo was overhated and I want him back

[@JohntheLNERP2]

Daphne's god awful concept of Velma being possessive towards her as a way of being attractive will only lead to one outcome Daphne getting acid thrown in her face by Velma

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Velma is also possesive over Shaggy as well, Velma in this show is a horrible human being

[@JohntheLNERP2]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 she'd do the same to him too whereas I wouldn't hesitate to throw acid into the face of the dopey t**t who wrote this shit show

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

Honestly, both of them need therapy in order to break away from Velma's toxic influence.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

I mean that is the most common method used by abusive ex girlfriends to hurt their bfs, to scsr them so no other woman wants them...

[@JohntheLNERP2]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 over here we call acid attacks a f***ing daily occurrence

[@squidsurge71]

The fact that Velma does marching band makes me so mad. The show runners don’t understand how much dedication is required, and it just feels like a slap in the face, and she totally doesn’t deserve the family that marching band brings you

[@maxgucciardi4507]

Oh shit, Mindy better watch out, she pissed off the band kids

[@GalacticalHistorian]

As both a normal band kid and a marching band kid, I wholeheartedly agree. The activity takes up a lot of time, energy, and sleep. I couldn’t have a job during high school just due to the insane amount of exhaustion!

[@mcstabbins4501]

I respect marching band members, y'all do a lot of work

[@bluemagician9724]

Welcome to the South Asian Parade

[@FosterFilms12]

preach. I have no idea what shape I'd be in socially if the tubas didn't welcome me in like a brother day one. Lots of solid memories thanks to marching band.

[@cobra7166]

I love that Villains Wiki actually lists Velma Dinkley as a villain of this show.

[@Trular-kreyss]

Yeah she is a real main vilian of that show.

[@pacificgrim4661]

Both Velma and Santa Inc. have something in common, they both have good moments where the main character gets called out of their errors only for the MC to create a weird reason or deny any of it

[@dirtdeedsdoneright]

personally i think Santa inc is pretty good its not amazing but its not bad in my opinion but Velma is just garbage

[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

Santa Inc isn't even on HBO max anymore...what does that tell you?

[@LegitMan335]

They are both shit 😀

[@rolboo6158]

​@@dragonslayermasterornstein83Tax write off

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

@@dirtdeedsdoneright nice bait...

[@thebigidea9659]

The writers claim that they felt scooby would be out of place in the show but they could have easily just made him a regular dog that Fake Shaggy really liked. I imagine the real reason Scooby wasn't brought in was because Mindy Kaling didn't want her OC version of Velma to be upstaged by a dog, which definitely would have happened.

[@tjenadonn6158]

If anyone on earth gets jealous about losing attention when someone walks into the room with a puppy it's her.

[@Pineabble]

Now that you mention it, I'm actually surprised they didn't add Scooby as a regular dog and him talking is just hallucinations from drugs with how awful this series seems to be.

[@battlion507]

Turns out, WB was merciful in their contract to have the gang... EXCEPT Scooby Doo. Probably knew what was being made.

[@maxcloud753]

It is known that WB said they couldn't use Scooby, but when their reaction was "good, we can't figure out how to use him." It was pretty clear they weren't approaching this show with a good mindset.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@maxcloud753 Or Scooby just has amazing lawyers.

[@edadragneel1569]

Wouldn’t it actually be interesting if it was revealed that VELMA was the killer? Like, the setup was already there. Anytime we saw her, she was running around with her “friends” and NOBODY was murdered. But, when she’s off-screen or ignoring everyone, another person is murdered. Also, she was the one to find two of the three bodies and TWO of the three dump sites were on her property (her locker and her trash can). She has also been shown to have antisocial and narcissistic tendencies, and she’s a COMPLETE psychopath. Wouldn’t it be interesting if the police were right at first in their suspicion of Velma, only to have her play to their emotions of knowing her since she was little, having her mom go missing, and being old friends with their daughter so that they wouldn’t investigate her further. Then, she starts “investigating” the murders as a way to keep updated on the case and keep the cops off her back throughout the series, only for it to culminate in Fred (who is a WAY better investigator than her), Daphne, and Norville coming to the conclusion that SHE is the murderer and having to stop her after her mother finally breaks down and confesses to them on the morning of her execution that she only confessed to the murders to keep her only daughter safe? (Also Fred is an absolute bean and I love him lmao. He’s the best character, since he actually has an arc throughout the series, going from a dumb, misogynistic, racist, asshole to a caring, understanding, genuinely kind (for the most part) person who has deeper issues than initially thought and has to deal with an abusive household that he finally managed to break away from in the end. He and Daphne should’ve been the main characters lol)

[@lordtachanka903]

At 8:39 you can see a knife taped to the back of Daphnes monitor, often times people with PTSD do stuff like that after being assaulted, which makes me wonder if Daphne was traumatized by what Velma did to her. Makes Velma look like an even worse person than she already was.

[@diamondprincessbeaut7283]

Wait what did Velma do to her?

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@diamondprincessbeaut7283Beat her up with a crowbar.

[@MoonLoonie69]

@@diamondprincessbeaut7283 assaulted her

[@diamondprincessbeaut7283]

@@MoonLoonie69 ohh yeah someone said that lol. I think their comment got deleted though. (And my response so I'll repeat it here) because man like I can understand being kinda off with an ex friend but like legitimately assaulting them is like woah wtf

[@YujiUedaFan]

Velma is literally using the Dennis system: Demonstrate value Engage physically Nurture dependence Neglect emotionally Inspire hope Separate entirely

[@xqsk4506]

The scene where side characters speak up about Velma's behaviour felt like the other people in the writing team were trying to tell the director about her mental issue and how she should seek help. Only to have the next scene as "you are forgiven because that's what life is, this is who you are, and mental health therapy is a joke, yay!"

[@xqsk4506]

And the only reason she kept that part about people calling her out because she thinks she is right, and other should see how "right" she was and how "wrong" the other people were

[@jjadac3529]

Lol, that would also explain why at the end; the girls didn't sound like they changed their minds, it just sounded like they said what Velma/Mindy wanted to get her out of their faces 😂

[@jellysnake7459]

You know what might’ve been interesting? If Velma was actually the murderer. It could work out like: Velma’s mom saw Velma commit the crime but Velma blocked it out or was so confused by a hallucination that she didn’t remember she did it. Then her mom could’ve run away to protect her, pretended it was her just to protect her child from the consequences, and then revealed it to Velma explaining all of her psychopathic behavior and outlooks

[@rishichatterjee4740]

This show certainly murdered my faith in humanity

[@oliviamorales9406]

That would of been so much more interesting, and it would justify everyone else who has called her out on her behavior. Plus with how they set up in the first episode that Velma blocked out her cruel behavior to her mother, until her dad brought it up, it would be interesting if they brought it up again where the entire series Velma is playing herself as a victim, but then the whole show is done through someone else's point of view and we see Velma is truly the killer

[@Butterpony]

@@oliviamorales9406 that concept might have been able to save the show If the writers didn’t want to beat us over the head with the concept of “yoU need to sympathize with her look at how relatable and meta she is why arnt you looking isn’t she just like you for real for real?” Mmmmmm my blood is boiling I need an ice bath

[@divine555]

"psychotic behavior" she's selfish not a pyschopath lol

[@pastadash4684]

This could definitely work if the other characters werent also pieces of trash

[@munecabonbon]

When Heather read someone's diary it was to establish how mean and cruel of a character she was. When Velma does it it's just an oopsies

[@darthgamer9861]

gotta love how even Chris McClain was less evil than Velma in that instance

[@Chris_Cross]

When who did?

[@vaniillazilla]

heather from total drama ​@@Chris_Cross

[@Chris_Cross]

@@vaniillazilla Oh. Did I miss that show being mentioned in the video, or does OP just expect us to know who he/she's talking about with no context?

[@reddy161]

​@@vaniillazillaWhy did my stupid ass think of Heather from the musical

[@CeeJay____]

How fitting of the writers/Mindy to write Fred, the character the show tries to pretend is the most toxic, as being attracted to Velma. Especially considering Velma herself is basically TV leukemia.

[@ThomasThePanzerTank]

"It's not a self insert! I just need everyone to think the character I voice is hot, liked by everyone and is unique because she's not like the other girls." -Kaling probably

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The fact that Velma is also Indian also pretty much proves how much of a self insert she is

[@phillipharrison886]

Writers defiantly trying to justify their real life persecution complex and sh*tty behaviour

[@shizachan8421]

To be fair, her character design isn't even bad and the series has some good art and animation.

[@mttylerdurden9]

Daphne's subplot about finding her real parents is basically ripped from Fred's arc in Scooby Doo mystery incorporated

[@mcstabbins4501]

Holy shit you're right

[@brandonlyon730]

And in Daphne’s case that whole thing was entirely pointless.

[@MisaMisaIsOnTop]

The only mystery in this show is how it didn’t get cancelled yet

[@Yea_Just_Bread]

Another mystery is how this show is actually getting a season 2...

[@dalegribble420]

Pretty sure it's not really a season 2, it's all just a single season they cut in half and marketed as 2 kinda like what netflix did with inside job. There's no way it gets "renewed" again.

[@_little_byrd_-0v0-]

I’m really not surprised this show would take a stand against therapy given how little they’ve shown they understand psychology. Between the hallucinations mumbo jumbo and amnesia, both of which work nothing like they do in the show in real life 😅

[@perennementedistratta]

This show is extremely hypocritical: it wants to shove into your face the fact that it's as progressive as it can be, yet it perpetuates stigma and harmful stereotypes surronding mentally ill people who have been victims of prejudice since the beginning of time.

[@carlamcgath7528]

How much you want to bet the creators have all self diagnosed themselves with something and got mad when they were told they don’t have it 🤣

[@colorblockpoprocks6973]

@@carlamcgath7528 the stigma surrounding self-diagnosis is also not really cool to perpetuate. sometimes people cant go to a doctor because money exists, and there's not that big of a deal when you say "i think I have a cold" if you line up the symptoms and it makes sense to you. if yu care if some other person "actually has or hasnt" an illness, you need to look inward before you ever look at someone else.

[@carlamcgath7528]

@@colorblockpoprocks6973 there is a stigma for a reason, because it undermines people who actually have they issues, just look at the thousands of TikTokers who have faked having something. Nobody should be running about saying they have ADHD or autism or PTSD because they put down 7 finger in a tiktok challenge. There is more people claiming they have disorders than the ones who have it, I’ve known so many people to do this, it’s always they have the quirky side of the disorder and none of the actual problems that come with it then make it harder for people to take you seriously even when you’re diagnosed.

[@nekominorinya2569]

Makes me wonder if all these writers , especially mindy need some therapy, though i wouldnt give the money for that, a glock with a single bullet and a empty room shes locked in do the job too and the bullet only costs me 80ct

[@darcmatter7560]

The comparison to Cartman is insanely accurate for not just Velma herself but to Mindy and the whole writing staff. I'm looking at the mental gymnastics Cartman used after the fight with Wendy

[@Randomyoutuber-4831]

But at least Cartman can have redeeming moments now and then. Which makes this whole situation worse. If Eric Cartman of all people is more moral and likable than your main protagonist, you KNOW you fucked up.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 South Park also doesn't go out of its way to tell you that Eric is someone you should be rooting for. It is egregiously self-aware that he's a nasty piece of work.

[@goawayplease6456]

No. Atleast the show acknowledged that cartman is an awful person. He doesn't get rewarded or praised for the terrible shit he does. Velma is doing cartman shit with the show trying to say that it's a good thing

[@falaramal3979]

@@donutbevil9669exactly. His abhorrent behaviour is played for jokes in south park. But in this one Velma pauses after being an douche it’s like she’s waiting for the applause track

[@jefftwentyone9620]

Lmao, this version of Velma is like a personification of Twitter morality.

[@madmodder123]

Well said lol

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Bro even Twitter and Tik Tok agree it's crap

[@commandervile394]

Exactly that.

[@madamkoifish]

Finally someone put it to words!

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

And she's honestly the worst person in the whole show.

[@davidwinslett8168]

The fact that every character inexplicably wants to be with or has a crush on Velma (the main character) despite her being awful tells you everything you need to know about the writers self insertion and narcissism.

[@theshygirlnextdoor8337]

I know they’re two separate genres of cartoons, but if Velma was like gumball from the amazing world of gumball, she might’ve been redeemable. Like gumball is selfish, rude, and lazy, but can still be written as a selfless, kind, and hardworking. By the end of the day, he may still be selfish, but he does have good qualities that shine through. I guess what I’m getting at is: it’s not impossible to write a selfish and egotistical character, and still have them likable or redeemable.

[@Rancid_Lilith]

Plus, gumball actually cares about his family , as selfish as he may be.

[@williampulfer-melville8536]

And he can be quite selfless to as was shown when he saved Penny's life in the episodes the Knights and not only that but he also fully accepted Penny after she broke out of her shell showing her true form and said that he loved her for who she is not what she is

[@mcstabbins4501]

Plus gumballs actually funny

[@rockalinebellosa7907]

It’s crazy how kid shows tend to do this stuff better than adult cartoons. Adult cartoons just wanna be offensive and gross all the time :p

[@cassualtea2040]

additionally Gumball was meant to be a middle schooler, aka a child, so his small worldview and lack of maturity was reasonable, and even then his bad traits were always treated as bad traits, aka when he was being dumb and selfish, the joke was meant to be that hes being dumb and selfish and its getting ridiculous. In Velma when shes being rude and selfish, that isnt the butt of the joke, everyone else is made the butt of the joke because Velma is always right.

[@fusieisbsi888]

Fred: about to get his brain removed by his own mother Velma: and you have to audacity to call yourself a victim

[@galestorm676]

Someone actually made a good point about the characters. Fred is the most likable because he is ignorant, not cruel. He just doesn't know what he is doing. Still horrible as heck though let me say that.

[@maxcloud753]

He's also the only one that has anything approaching an arc in his story.

[@goku-san]

He's one you can feel sympathetic to since his ignorance is due to how his parents raised and treat him. Having grown up with that, he doesn't realize that some of the things he does is bad. While it's written poorly, there is something of an arc with him where he's trying to become a better person.

[@YujiUedaFan]

He's also played by Dennis from Always Sunny, so the guy knows what he's doing. Honestly though, if anything Velma will ruin Fred even more and make him just as cruel as her.

[@pokerface4396]

Yeah, the writers tried so hard to make Fred unlikeable, but they made them the only sympathetic character in the show because it's clear why he is like that. He has an asshole of a father and an overbearing toxic mother, he is insecure about his body (for a good reason, his schoolmates are pieces of shit who would expose him the moment they learn his secret), he needs to be liked by someone because of his extremely low self-esteem. And yet, he is the only character capable of changing for the better or at least interested in understanding people different from him. Also, I don't think that he had ever hit Daphne with a crowbar or exposed her intimate secrets to everyone when they were dating. Just sayin'.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@pokerface4396 They should just rename the show to Fred and make him in charge of the gang and only have Velma speak when she exposes the criminal, like in A Pup Named Scooby-Doo.

[@parvitz]

did mindy actually make every single character fall in love with her self insert. damn that's pathetic

[@Ace0fspades354]

"But you hurt her feelings, which is way worse nowadays." I think that's why they keep mocking mental health. It's the writer's way of saying that everyone's negative reviews are just people being too sensitive, rather than the jokes just not being funny.

[@wannabedrewafualo]

Imagine having, like… genetically inherited schizophrenia, and someone says to just stop being so sensitive. 😭

[@Deadgirl97]

TBH I see it as it's because they want to downplay young Men having a high rate of suicide due to mental health issues, trying so hard to make you hate men

[@tomhur1]

What got me about that scene is it completely ignores why hurting feelings can be worse. Wounds will always heal. Hurt feelings and broken trust are things that can sometimes never fully heal.

[@redpanda6497]

@@crickets4207 And apparently the show agrees with Velma and tries to paint her as the one in the right by giving the school therapist that certain line.

[@Tea-rettes]

I'm actually quite surprised to see this line not coming from a comedian using vulnerable minorities as a punching bag. The writers behind Velma do a grave disservice to the people they claim to represent by unironically behaving exactly like the groups they're criticizing.

[@Maw0]

The worst part is that you think Velma is gonna improve and grow as a character, but then at the end, she picks up a "move 2 spaces back" card.

[@low-keydrama1260]

Made worse whenever she acknowledges that she’s being crappy and she’s hurting her friends, but immediately keeps doing what she’s doing. She doesn’t even bother to improve :/

[@Maw0]

@@low-keydrama1260 Yeah, exactly what I am talking about.

[@CakebDrums]

Velma is like 2 girls one cup. The curiosity takes over and the regret begins

[@BNK2442]

At least 2girls1cup is just some seconds long. And the characters are more likeble...

[@tonyflamingo2576]

@@BNK2442 I never watched that vid but apparently there's a supposed full video. and It was 62 minutes long. Still not as painful as Velma I imagine

[@nogoodgod4915]

I have watched that video, but I refuse to watch actual crap like Velma.

[@sidneyvictor7887]

how is this not the top comment!!!!

[@confusedjello7292]

or you discover a new fetish/j

[@marshallhuffer4713]

Literally the only scene that made me laugh was when the sheriff hit Velma with his car. I loved it so much that I rewind it over and over again to see it.

[@lemmythebulldog8812]

Fun fact: Velma started with a 4.4/10 on IMDb and now it’s down to a 1.5/10 on IMDb Congratulations you’re now lower in popularity than the following movies The emoji movie Son of the mask FoodFight! Cats And the following shows Fred: the show Toddlers and tiaras Breadwinners Honey boo boo Keeping up with the Kardashians Planet sheen Batwoman Teletubbies Boo Bah Barney and friends Rosie o Donnell Dora the explorer Go Diego Go Caillou Dr Phil American idol And finding Bigfoot

[@Diwasho]

You know you done goofed when even Gigli has a higher rating than your show.

[@carbonreptile5437]

i have seen the Emoji Movie, Son of the Mask and Foodfight! (not Cats because i hate musicals), and let me say that Velma being worse than all of those is *extremely* impressive

[@ShinraTheSketcher]

Don't you ever mention breadwinners in this Catholic house

[@kikieftimova7581]

You know your show is AWFUL when food fight has a higher rating

[@AColonDashSix]

I'm not surprised, but damn people like Cailliou more than this!

[@WhatAreTheOdds5050]

As the old saying goes: "Velma will be hated garbage which makes children cry and makes adults have a pulmonary embolism." That ancient proverb has got me through some tough times.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Probably said by Socrates or Aristotle I don't know 😂

[@nellewoodruff6337]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Maybe even oogway or tsun zu lol

[@whitedragoness23]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 you mean Socrates or astristole from the future

[@hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004]

Fun Fact: The father of the show's creator is a Republican politician so maybe he made this show just to spit his right-wing father

[@ivanbluecool]

Short version. Velma is a villain playing victim kicking out her family and calling Fred privileged while he has the worst life ever where everything goes wrong for him and his mother hates him. Also "shaggy" is semi forced to do drugs after being traumatized someone died. Basically it's awfully bad where once again a Twitter brain makes a villain aka them and try to act like life treats them hardly

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The fact that Velma hates on Fred for being privileged despite Mindy Kailing having all the privilages in her life such as going through high education and having millions of dollars, She tries so hard to make herself a victim 😂

[@osmanyousif7849]

Even better, that scene when the police car hits her, is the actual ending of the show….

[@hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004]

​@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 not to mention her brother identifies himself as black so he can be accepted to the college through affirmative action.

[@hokton8555]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 meanwhile Fred became victim of police violence, gets bodyshamed, his parents are disappointed of him ect.ect.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@hokton8555 Also his mother is a psycho (despite wanting to find Fred and having wanted posters and police searching for him, which makes no sense), his mother was killed by Velma, Velma insulted Fred for the exact reasons she should hate herself, Velma warped Fred's mind into liking gross women (AKA her), Velma twerked at his mother's corpse, is basically homeless etc...

[@IRickyTM]

This is why i love shows like "never have i ever" on Netflix. The mc does bs things, and gets real consequences, and the resolutions are always realistic too.

[@rainsnowfall220]

What if I told you that both these shows were written by the same person (unless you were being sarcastic)

[@FiskBlackwolfsoilder]

I'm starting to think shows like velma are signs of Hollywood no longer being able to connect with the real world. For example, when Disney started to focus everything on remaking live actions movies of their past animated ones, everyone simply asked "why should we watch this when the animated ones are more fun?" And the people up top never hears them cause they surround themselves with yes men. It's the same thing with the game industry, these CEO surrounds them with yes men and it only makes the consumers suffer as the yes men will tell their boss it's the consumers, not themselves.

[@Companion92]

The problem is, that sadly Disney still makes a lot of easy cash with it's bland live action remakes. So from the money perspective everything works out great for them

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

Yeah so basically just Capitalism at play here. Stifles innovation and creativity to push bland or lazy work out for profit rather than artistic integrity. Velma however, doesn't seem to be the case oddly enough. Because it's clearly a self insert power fantasy specifically tailored around Mindy and no one else. This is practically a passion project from a passionless and deeply unpleasant person. The only reason this show got greenlit is because of name recognition and Mindy's connections in the industry, if this was a stand alone title, wouldn't be made or if it did no one would care. So I guess all Capitalism here did was drape the skin of a beloved franchise over this rotting corpse of a show to try and sell it to you as if it wasn't dead on arrival bad to begin with.

[@liammalone9263]

Disney made those so they could hold onto the properties, it was meant to show they still used the characters/stories

[@FiskBlackwolfsoilder]

1. Thanks for the 69th like, very awesome of you guys 2. Your right about the connection, big mouth is only on for so long because of the people behind it having a lot of money, so what Mindy did here is basically the same thing. Bribing her own show. 3. The property thing isn't really something a company like Disney cares about when you think about it, when you really look at it, they feel this apathy towards the movies they made in the past, and considering these yes men's take their information on social media and thinks the loudest are the popular group, their gonna follow them instead of the actual majority.

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

Oh my god yes. I stopped paying attention to their live action altogether because it's just depressing to imagine all the time and creative talent they've wasted trying to profit off nostalgia the last few years.

[@rocketwastaken]

Velma just getting away with things is like the sheer amount of times Peter from Family Guy gets away with so many attrocities

[@tailsprowerfan2729]

Kinda like caulu and we all know how much he ruined a generation and made them into sjws this show is going to turn Gen A into the gen that kills us all

[@sonicfanboy3375]

Peter is a more likable character than Velma and that says alot

[@rocketwastaken]

@@sonicfanboy3375 LMAO

[@maxcloud753]

And I'm pretty sure we're not supposed to idolize or empathize with Peter, unlike how the show clearly wants us to like Velma.

[@domicraft6341]

Except Family Guys plot is about just a single Episode, the humor actually lands often enough, the identity of said humor was built up over years and not forcing meta just working Meta into it...

[@WeirdWonderful]

So they make everyone, both male and female, in the Mystery Inc. cast, be in love with Mindy Kaling's character. How. How can you make someone THIS much of a Mary Sue in 2023 and not realise it ?

[@commandervile394]

Woke-tards have zero self-awareness is how.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Mindy Kailing is too much of a narcissist

[@maxcloud753]

They have to be in love with her or else none of the gang would spend even a brief amount of time in her caustic, abusive presence. But it is also Mindy Kaling writing her self-insert fanfiction onto another character.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

It's good they didn't add a dog to the show

[@Пинагод]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. Just, very conveniently, _everyone_ in the original cast likes one character?

[@albarrex1600]

I'm proud to say I never wasted a second of my life watching Smellma.

[@jennawebb4225]

Me too!

[@cormacbowman6595]

I had a professor that had the exact personality and beliefs as Velma/Mindy, and she thought I was basically the Fred character. I tried so hard to be kind and respectful, but she was convinced I was a no good person and there was nothing I could do. Lmao

[@kenhollis6197]

Did you pass the class?

[@dengamleidiot]

Sounds shitty

[@BenelliAkimbo]

she was obviously talking about herself; sorry you had to deal with someone like that my friend

[@cormacbowman6595]

@@BenelliAkimbo Thank you. She accused me of subconscious bigotry in my homework assignment, which I think said more about her for associating my poem analysis with race and gender, something she assumed not me. It made stronger. I could handle anything after that. lmao

[@OrochiJr97]

Sorry you had to deak with that.

[@E_D___]

The fact that the creator doesnt hide the fact Velma is her self insert tells a lot about her, Even more now that it seems like a "harem" ↔ every main character have, or had, a crash on her

[@1dingerr]

It's kind of the vibe you get from Mindy in real life as well.

[@ricey23]

I'm 8 years clean and sober so I can't watch this crap because I will start drinking again if I do. I admire your resolve to get through this.

[@perennementedistratta]

I'm so proud of you for being sober and clean😊! Wishing you the best💕💗💞.

[@Keroro2593]

How the producer, writer, director and animator all worked together without speaking up against this blasphemy is beyond my comprehension.

[@desgracainferno]

animators are often underpaid, overworked and most have no rights to stand up against anything related to what they are about to animate

[@EllenMF12]

One of the directors was Mindy herself, so... check... Velma meets the original Velma

[@Sozitante]

Please do not forget: Even if you only want to look at it because it is so bad: every viewer supports the series and does that there will be more of this kind in the future. Bad advertising is still advertising.

[@Sozitante]

@Ms Aileen Valentine thats true! but the most people watched it on the regular streaming service. thats why the viewer numbers are not bad.

[@alexi6648]

I like fred

[@loserinasuit7880]

Remember it doesn't matter if they watch it because literally everyone got paid and made profit.

[@bluethesabertoothrat4892]

Fun fact Grey Griffin the current voice of Daphne, doesn't even like this show either just like the rest of us. You know it's bad when the original voice actors of the Scooby-Doo franchise doesn't even like it.

[@theghosttm8245]

Rhaggy, ris is shit

[@bluethesabertoothrat4892]

@@theghosttm8245 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DustinBarlow8P]

That's good to know, I thought most of the original show talent, was dead

[@bluethesabertoothrat4892]

@@DustinBarlow8P what makes you think that?

[@AmericanZergling]

@@DustinBarlow8P She's not the "original" voice actress. She voiced Daphne since the 2000s in most animated movies and shows. She's in a lot of stuff, but her most popular performance is probably Azula from Avatar. The original show (Scooby Doo, Where Are You?) actually had two voice actresses for Daphne. Stefanie Christopherson for season 1, and Heather North for season 2. Both have passed away. Heather North continued playing Daphne well into the 90s, so she is probably better described as the "original" Daphne.

[@jonahhex18]

I disagree about Norville ignoring Gigi. He wasn't standing up for himself, he was just avoiding his problems. Standing up for himself would mean talking to her and telling her that he wouldn't be pushed around

[@YujiUedaFan]

Yeah he took the cowards way out.

[@jonahhex18]

@@YujiUedaFan which would be fine if it affected his character arc, but it doesn't. His character is wasted.

[@glizzygladiator8055]

He doesn’t owe Gigi anything with how poorly she treated him. He has no reason to even attempt to work things out or come to an understanding with her. Avoiding his problems would’ve been continuing to put up with it. He handled the issue, and was not wrong just because he didn’t consider her feelings/side. Reflecting on yourself does not require conversing with the person who caused you to reflect. Unless you’re trying to be together for the long run. This is obviously not the case with Norville being written as a simp.

[@jonahhex18]

@@glizzygladiator8055 You can't be in a relationship and have a thought process like that. You're allowed to think like that when you don't want to be with someone, but when you want a relationship to work out you need to actually communicate. Norville wanted the relationship to work out, so he needed to make some clear boundaries. Running away and expecting it to work out never works. That's, ironically, some huge Beta energy.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@jonahhex18 Yeah, especially since she may have thought Norv liked doing stuff for her.

[@limok5464]

It's so sad we live in the world where series like Moral Orel get canceled but this thing gets the second season

[@insertnamehere5809]

That show was too smart for its own good, which is a pity, because the ending of MORAL OREL really was beautifully done. (Orel becoming a good man, despite the environment around him)

[@Mialikesthings]

Yeah

[@KingOfMumbles485...]

The irony is that Fred has a character arc and is more of a decent human being than Velma.

[@shadow_realm47]

They basically just bully Fred, Norville and their dads 💀 Daphne is stockholm syndromed into liking the weirdo. Everyone involved needs therapy and compassion, there's just too much repressed anger.

[@Wolffman109]

I had the same feeling about John Walker; he's more interesting and likeable than Sam Wilson or Bucky Barnes.

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

Considering Eric has actually done some good things in the series as well(Saved Kyle's family from the Smug Storm, sacrificed his marriage, kids, and overall amazing life in the Post COVID Special, helped find the cure for AIDS, etc), comparing him to Velma is a disservice due to her being nothing but a dumpster fire

[@kimchi._.2234]

I think cartmans bads outweigh his goods but still if cartman didn't you know make someone a cannibal over 12 dollars they would be on equal ground

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

@@kimchi._.2234 I never said they did outweigh his bads, but Velma doesn't really have any goods on her list, minus 'solving' the season one case(which she was so desperate to pin on Fred to start purely because 'White Dude with Tiny Dong', then couldn't believe it was her own Mother who confessed cause of Racism), while Eric has done things that have actually bettered the South Park Universe, and while some of them were for selfish reasons, he was the driving force for why it happened, the above reasons I listed being simply the examples I can think of off the top of my head, while some were actually pure and got tainted by later sources: everything involving his relationship with Heidi is a great example to look at, starting out as an attentive and loving boyfriend, who could've very well stayed that way if Leopold Stoch(aka Butters) of all people hadn't poisoned the well, while Velma was within throwing distance of Yandere territory over someone she was super toxic to, again cause of Racism. Also let's be real, Eric in a good chunk of Episodes is SUPPOSED to be disliked(The Stem Cell episode where he used em to make a Shaky's Pizza is a good example) for the plot, Velma is supposed to be the Main Character and Paragon of Virtuousness...the fact you can realistically compare the two at all shows how bad she is when she's not supposed to be Edited for a typo

[@kimchi._.2234]

@@QuickSilverKitsune Yeah Velma really is the worst person in this show. Honestly I was making the comparison to show that Cartman is such a bad person that Velma, who is the protag, mostly is on same ground. Seriously, take away that cannibal thing and Velma and him are really cut from the same mold. Cartman is sometimes a good person like look at some of his interactions with Kenny who is his best friend then look at Velma with Norville who is SUPPOSED to be her best friend and the difference is uncanny. Like Cartman to Kenny is kinda a jerk in most episodes but in some he's actually a good friend. Velma on the other hand, I don’t think there was a single moment in the show where she was nice to Norville not out of selfishness but out of kindness. She is constantly a horrible person with no sliver of redemption and she's like what 17 ? And Cartman is 10, how is she so horrid idk.

[@Пинагод]

Well for one, the creators acknowledged that Eric was a kid. He does whatever he pleases, doesn't matter to others if it was good or bad - He thinks it's for his pleasurable benefit. And again, the creators also acknowledged that no matter how bad a person is, life still goes on and at some point even bad people make willing sacrifices that may or may not redeem them. They added dimensions to a papercut character. Plus, SP handled satire *_way_* better than Velma could ever do, especially in social commentary. My favorite was when they introduced PC principal as the embodiment of someone you hate, when eventually they actually make him quite decent and reasonable as a principal. You also see his perceptions be challenged alongside VP Woman. They also make out the good people as bad. Kyle and Wendy are perfect examples - At some point, Kyle refused to let Butters go to the hospital due to his parents getting mad at him for playing with weapons (which is _incredibly_ realistic for a child with unbearingly strict parents), and Wendy disrespects Heidi's feelings to which contributed to Heidi indulging even more into the toxic relationship (which again, is quite realistic). The trend here is that every mistake is realistic, and that people have dimensions that don't make them either good or bad - And they achieved this with a _satirical show._ What's Velma's excuse?

[@YujiUedaFan]

At least Eric has his GOOD moments and future Cartman sacrificed his life and family for everyone else.

[@amanokaze1287]

From episode 3 and on it just cements the idea that all of this is just a fanfic of Mindy Kaling, using Velma as her self insert. Velma is the literal definition of a mary sue

[@redpanda6497]

The term "Mary sue" gets thrown around a lot, but it's absolutely true here. She's the pure definition of it. Everyone loves her no matter what she does.

[@Critagle]

Someone in one of my sociology class actually wrote a 12 page paper on fictional characters with mental and personality disorders and she was in there lol

[@HauntingHypatiasShelves]

I will forever be angry that this got a second season so fast yet shows like Infinity Train and The Owl House get cancelled.

[@latviandragon2718]

tbh the owl house sucked too

[@letmeowt]

Owl House should've gotten a full third season tbh had a better plot than Velma for sure

[@NathasyaStellaHermanus]

@@latviandragon2718 Say what-

[@SageEternal]

and final space and venture bros and sym biotic titan

[@CadetSparkleWolf]

@@latviandragon2718 Them’s fighting words.

[@Ducky935]

MeatCanyons Velma animations are better than the actual show

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Because Meatcanyon has passion and loves his works, unlike Velma which is a corporate and souless remake/cash grab

[@parzivalSkywalker]

Da** straight

[@TheBestEverEverEver]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 *propaganda piece This show has zero to do with making money and everything to do with making a statement and pushing agendas. If it was a cash grab they’d keep what very little they made and end the project. Instead they’re gonna pour even more money into it and knowingly make nothing in return.

[@keynanmartinez]

Correct

[@theobtusemongoose3980]

Meatcanyon is a refreshing breath of fresh air in regard to creativity

[@someguynamedowen9944]

Damn the fact that you managed to watch the rest of the series is quite impressive

[@DanielDeLeon69]

Roman reigns

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Torture watch is a good way to get views especially when it comes from a controversial show

[@hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004]

Fun Fact: The father of the show's creator is a Republican politician so maybe he made this show just to spit his right-wing father

[@osmanyousif7849]

@@hafizihilmibinabdulhalim1004, gee did mommy and daddy not give him enough attention when he was a child?

[@nathanwilkins6107]

So I think there’s a couple things that really make this show as bad as it is: 1. They’re using established characters and having them act completely different than previous iterations. 2. Bad characters can be entertaining, such as eric Cartman or the gang from Always Sunny. However, there’s two elements that are necessary in order for it to work: you either need to show how a rational world interacts with them, or you need to have them get comeuppance for what they’ve done. Edit: okay so I accidentally wrote everything that was said in the summary.

[@grimshock6983]

When she read Daphne’s diary and said she had mental Health problems. I asked, “…And? That’s it? How is that embarrassing? Nothing about sex? No weird sex dream with Adam Sandler?”

[@pringlebatch]

We've all had the weird Adam Sandler sex dream. It's nothing to be ashamed of

[@tappy8741]

@@pringlebatch Depends on the film

[@jonnyhousewife9806]

You poor, brave man... Thank you for suffering through this so that so many of us wouldn't have to. We salute you, Steve!

[@Dootium]

I could physically feel my blood pressure rising, even with this bare bones summary.

[@hhfggvogtthehy6451]

You’re not the only one…

[@АлисаТетерина-и5п]

At first i thought, that Velma is going to be some kind of new Daria Like, you know, the smartest girl in the room, which is sarcastic and nihilist But the thing is, that in Daria we've got real character development (for example, box episode), funny side characters, that not just comic relief, but interesting humans, we've got excellent humor They both have difficult to get closer with people, but Daria has inner conflict about that, and Velma just enjoy how awful she is Society avoid Daria, but Velma get everyone's attention We have "not like other girls" trop, but in Daria situation, we see where it comes from, and Velma just sexist, racist nihilistic piece of shit, and she don't have any reason to act like this I think Daria, that made in 90's, is more progressive, than Velma 2023

[@poopsmith6853]

Daria also got insufferable at times but was able to fall back on her being a growing teen. Velma is pseudo teens that are adults. Like a live action show.

[@Tdrummer888]

Wouldn’t it make more sense for Fred to be the simp while Norville is one of her love interests? Could’ve given Norville more dignity since half the jokes are about how anti-drug he is anyway. Their portrayal of Fred as naive, crass and easily influenced would’ve made a lot of sense for him to also be Velma’s simp. Velma laughing in his face when he confesses his attraction to her would’ve worked better too; would’ve made Velma look less cruel 😂. Like, of course she’ll laugh at the idea of someone so opposite of her asking her out. It becomes a functional joke and not just Velma being a horrible human being lol

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

But that makes sense

[@wrensinclair8247]

You should not laugh at anyone for something like that. Horrible person either way!

[@1dingerr]

There's no self awareness in the show, it even contradicts its own points. Velma states that everything is easy for men and everyone listens to men, while simultaneously most of the male characters are shown as having mental issues and unsuccessful careers. Like pick one, is life easy street for men or not?

[@Vertigoi311]

In the first interview i read with her about the show mindi said she saw herself in Velma so watching the show as mindi's perception of the world makes it weirdly make sense. Velma insults everyone and believes that no one has a reason not to like her because she's the smartest and best person alive, very subtle mindy.

[@ntfoperative9432]

While ironically Fred is more accurate to how she is in real life

[@donutbevil9669]

@@ntfoperative9432 Both are aspects of who she is. An insufferable narcissist.

[@kingschapter]

Faith in humanity is now in the negatives

[@Wariolosesfaithinhumanity]

And I’m losing it.

[@DanielDeLeon69]

​@@Wariolosesfaithinhumanity Roman reigns

[@thunderspark1536]

This show is why god left us

[@10011110011]

With integer underflow it will reach a positive value eventually

[@Tffoxfirefly18]

You still have faith

[@Alsoyourlefttoe]

She thought she ate 0:05

[@sircatsmeow2886]

"Like a Jew crushing over Hitler because he had abs" That line got me, the edit killed me. God damn that caught me so off guard.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Damn now that's what I call a roast 😂

[@osmanyousif7849]

Actually, I would pay for someone to pull off a show like that. I bet the South Park creators could get away with that and it would be far more entertaining....

[@christopherauzenne5023]

11:00 Oh I agree wholeheartedly on so many levels. Like, KND is overlooked/under-talked about WAY too much when it comes to discussing great animated shows, I honestly think it is one of the most creative animated shows out there. If you have the time, you should do a whole retrospective on the show similar to the Ed Edd n Eddy one you did a while back.

[@osmanyousif7849]

Sucks that it didn’t get a proper final season. I MEAN, why did we need to get garbage like this, when we could’ve gotten a proper final season to those nostalgic shows they didn’t get one?

[@garfieldenjoyer2543]

Hey guys! Remember that this show is made *only* to provoke a reaction from audiences! Do NOT watch it for any reasons. Don’t give them what they want.

[@uhhhhiii1807]

Hate watching is attention too, don’t give it attention it doesn’t deserve

[@MoonLoonie69]

@@uhhhhiii1807 it doesn’t matter if it gets attention from the audience. There’s still critics.

[@MoonLoonie69]

It doesn’t matter if you try to ignore it. There’s always gonna be an audience and there’s critics paid to watch it. There’s no win.

[@lexiyah643]

We good and I respect your opinion Im not gonna watch this cringe

[@deadeye6969]

​@@uhhhhiii1807 ,⁰00

[@Cartoonicus]

Velma is like the alien invaision that gets the heroes and villains to set aside their differences and team up to deffend against. It's the one thing that all people seem to be able to agree on.

[@iantaakalla8180]

At this point, “universal agreement” means universal hate, mockery, indifference, and spite.

[@Cartoonicus]

@@iantaakalla8180 Not in the case of the Mario movie.

[@aliahduiker7998]

The craziest part of this whole show is that Velma is clearly a self insert of Mindy Kaling so Mindy has essentially exposed herself as a terrible person.

[@peachpie3597]

Velma gets a Season 2 but Inside Job doesn't, wtf??😭 Also this version of Velma is an obvious self insert and all the main characters are in love with her💀 which shows how narcissistic the creators are with themselves.

[@lonewolf9578]

You’re braver than most Steve

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

A lot of people hate watched this show, and it's getting renewed for a second season

[@TheGuardianssorrow]

Why? It’s universally hated.

[@paulovinasrocha6166]

​@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 it was already confirmed to get a second season before airing.

[@lonewolf9578]

@@TheGuardianssorrow because he actually watched the show all the way through I forced myself to sit through all of she-hulk and even I didn’t want to go through that again

[@exileforever2508]

4:15 that’s so true. It feels like they don’t respect therapy or mental health that well. Now a days it’s taken more seriously and at the end of 10, they revealed Velma hallucinations aren’t mental health issues, but the cause of Fred’s mom mind control. Would be cool if it’s revealed that Fred’s mom lied and the hallucinations still continues as this is coming from Velma and other source of trauma. Nothing that can be done away so easily. Or even explain that while Fred’s mom did hypnotize her, the effects remain and it continues to cause Velma problems. Fred’s mom is still a menance even from beyond the grave and she has to deal with the trauma in a healthy way. It’s crazy that The Owl House and Puss in Boots deals with mental health and trauma far better than a show meant for adults

[@ciderspider2476]

Yeah because if all of the characters and anyone who supports this show actually got therapy, they would basically get told that all of their problems ranging from social life to mental state is because they are just a toxic and bigoted asshole who treats everyone like crap. Cause acknowledging your issues and changing yourself is so toxic and you should just be yourself.

[@sandystudios223]

Yeah, and may I just say this? I think “Velma” is for some reason, homophobic and racist and ableist!

[@iantaakalla8180]

I swear, every time good is done, it is accidental, because the intended path is dull suffering.

[@parmareggiano6410]

Because they’re narcissists

[@aditghifari5039]

No wonder Scobby didnt appear

[@djstarkidmashups8536]

Scooby doesn't deserve to be in this hellhole of a show, and I'm happy for him. Scooby's glad he's not in it.

[@tjenadonn6158]

As someone who is part of what frequently gets mistaken for this show's target audience (far left political leanings, LGBTQ out the wazoo, multiple vegans in the family, you get the picture) I would like to reiterate that none of us wanted this, none of us like this, and we probably hate it more than you do.

[@blueflare3848]

Honestly, this show is so over the top and ridiculous that it truly feels like it's making fun of being "woke" rather than catering to it. It just feels like an insult to the shows that actually care about having good representation.

[@Jim87_36]

@@blueflare3848 That's part of the problem. "HAS TO REPRESENT EVERYONE" or it gets protested regardless of where or when the story takes place. Less "representation" more CHARACTERIZATION. Seriously, if the show is good no one gives a shit about race/sex/orientation/etc. Shows like Velma are what happens when people who are out of touch feel the need to preach their bullshit.

[@alzaelnext638]

Yet this show is the embodiment of everything the far left believes and champions. Velma is the world the far left wants to create.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

Hamlet holding the mirror up to his mother, I daresay...

[@Ragetiger1]

That's the thing, those groups you listed ARE the target audience. You fell into the demographic and really hate the show; others will agree and some will not. It's like how there's gay people, myself included, that cannot stand Pride Month or the horrible changes made to the flag.

[@drednaw1398]

Velma is a lot like Greg Heffley from diary of a wimpy kid. Presented as the victim who is in the right, but with a bit of scrutiny, the facade falls apart and their inner nature of a selfish, apathetic sociopath/narcissist is revealed.

[@leolen8029]

Except that we can't immediately tell that Greg is a sociopath because the books are written from Greg's perspective.

[@fatgecko1616]

I feel so bad for all the talent that had to work on Mindy's horrible edgy fanfic.