Okay, we need to talk about this.

[@ffarkasm]

The best part is seeing Tyler1's face with the burdens of being the guild leader.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

He handled it like a good man.

[@jamesg9468]

I wasn't a big fan of Tyler, but the way he swiftly dealt with Sequisha and Pilav is +2 in my eyes.

[@tablechair]

It's a look of discust.

[@Huckle_Billy]

Nah the best part is actually standing up to a creep.

[@l337pwnage]

Simp1

[@Alright-in-Slot]

Pilav is the kind of guy you don't kick from the call, but you also don't tell when your friends group is moving to a different Discord.

[@l337pwnage]

I guess the question is, do you really think you are missed?

[@aaaa-xq5jy]

Pilav defending himself sounds like a child in school trying to lie to avoid getting in trouble

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

I genuinely think it’s the first time in a long time he has gotten serious consequences for his behavior. I feel bad for him and wish him luck in his personal life and growth.

[@aaaa-xq5jy]

@@user-fg3fv9hl3b He definitely has a lot of growing up to do. It's like his brain stopped developing half way through puberty.

[@GeejMusic]

and sequisha sounds like a corporate embezzler trying to weasel his way out of it with words

[@ForbiddenCloudGaming]

probably get that way when you've been playing a game for 15 years and your not even competitive in it.

[@ButtDisguise]

@@user-fg3fv9hl3b serious consequences getting kicked out of a wow guild ? man he will never recover from this

[@Zonalar]

Watching the end of your vid when annie talks about it really hit different. She looks dejected, like she can't do anything about it, and she doesn't want to bring it up, because people might get upset at her for "making it a big deal", so she's just taking it... Ye, Tyler1 made the right decision. Even If Annie was honest to god not bothered whatsoever, I can see it bother abunch of other female streamers, and it definetly affects the mood whether to keep playing with onlyfangs and to keep streaming World of Warcraft, because you always do the calculations in the back of your head "is this still worth it?". And yes, those comments will affect that calculation.

[@BismuthKaiju]

Absolutely. She did nothing, and now she has to deal with the fallout and have tons of strangers everywhere commenting on how hot she is all because Pilav can't not sexualize women streamers on his stream. The people saying it "wasn't that bad" just don't understand the damage it can cause or just don't care. So tired of this behavior being so normalized.

[@tojogamer1733]

T1 made the right decision, and respect for Annie for being so mature dealing with that and not creating drama from it, but i don't think it was necessary to casually throw Savix's name in all that... is like saying oh okay cool someone dealt with him but he still has friends in the guilde, maybe someone should do something about it (ok ok it's far fetched i know)

[@SaxonBlue2]

It's not just about Annie, y'see. It's about setting standards for behaviour in the guild in general. Pilav crossed a line, several times (and not just in relation to Annie), and T1 absolutely had to gkick him.

[@Monclersheisty2000]

i thought t1 would be trolling as gm but dude is actually taking the responsibility seriously

[@yogsulate9384]

@17:45 Annie is correct. Pilav been doing this for years and no one spoke up until now. I have huge respect for T1 despite how obnoxious I thought he was.

[@Monclersheisty2000]

@ exactly

[@dangerbook4807]

the answer to "People are too sensitive" - well, if you're deliberately poking at things that bother people, is it their fault that you deliberately poked them? I don't think so. Go have a circle with other guys who think they're tough and stop trying to interact with people who call you out on your stupid behavior. Any person in the world if they thought about it could figure out something that would make them blow up if some jerk started going on about it online, it's called being human and having things you care about. It might be your mother or your grandmother or your puppy dog. But oh no ha ha let's crap all over your favorite thing and act surprised that people don't want to be with you.

[@JesziePVP]

She cares 100% she said it her self nobody has spoken up about the bullying she's just not that vulnerable into letting it bother her

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

It’s definitely hurting her, we have so many women these days who have no choice but to develop thick skin because guys can’t grow up. And I’m speaking as a conservative who used to be more anti-feminism. IMO once your brain finishes developing at 27 and you have enough experience with girls to understand their perspective etc. and you are willing to be honest and drop stubborn unhealthy views, you really don’t find this stuff fun, and only see it as harmful and encouraging thousands of young boys to continue cultivating a sexist mind. Sorry for those who disagree, maybe give it more time to understand.

[@mariusquam2410]

annie said she never had an issue with pilav, disgusting to see people like you who try to turn this around on pilav and it was annie that had an issue with him. this was always on pilav's chat and how 1-2 % of his chat is super degen and chat hop to spread hate. ur a toxic human who is white knightig so damn hard its sad. get a life

[@AkiRa22084]

Would you say the same if the genders were reversed?

[@fantomas4935]

​@@AkiRa22084 yes. Don't go after a person's immutable characteristics, it's not cool. Any person.

[@616nikola]

she cares about those 7k subs she got that day from drama so she did not care about him calling her ugly she cared more about people coming in to her chat and spreading stupid stuff and that is it , she got so many subs so it dos not matter plus Pilav got today 8k vives his peak viewership he is around 1k to 2k views so its a win win for both of them

[@brittany9233]

I have to give Tyler credit for addressing it and pushing back on the "its not that bad" comment. People can do what they want on their own time but now theres this community of people linked together through hardcore WoW and certain expectations of conduct (on a pretty basic level imo, Tyler even said he didnt care about shit talk, banter, insults but this crossed a line) are being upheld. Kinda sad that it sounds like this is the first time anything is even being done about how some of these streamers talk about the women in the community. And its just a gkick from the guild, not like he cant keep streaming and acting how he wants, he just cant do it while he's involved with OnlyFangs.

[@lizzyetj]

True but the gKick is a bit bigger than that, cuz he loses the access to the others helping him create content naturally and unnaturally as well as plus he loses the access to their audience.

[@theodorcalotescu1876]

Well, lots of people including me knew this was gonna happen. His persona didn't quite match with the onlyfangs energy. It is what it is, people split ways, sucks for himz he didn't get the right idea of the vibe, Tate stuff not for wow.

[@Faude18]

@@lizzyetj yea and he deserves it. You don't have to feel sorry for someone who can't behave. The audience of normal streamers doesn't like Pilav anyways and nobody will flock to his stream. People are only disgusted by his behaviour.

[@chc2650]

@@Faude18 Pilav will lose the mainstream audience but will gain a core incel audience in exchange. He knew what he was doing.

[@Faude18]

@@chc2650 he cultivated that audience a long time ago and he has no mainstream audience. WoW is niche, being a 2balkan4anyone-streamer is super niche.

[@shorty10345]

i mean does this count as sexual harrassment at the workplace for u guys? the g kick was justified imo, everyone who says otherwhise should really think twice about how to talk to coworkers im srs

[@bradjames8256]

If you think otherwise you probably haven't been in a workplace

[@BingChillingBomba]

It's not a workplace, nor was it sexual harassment. Nor are they "coworkers" You people really need to get yourselves checked out and start living in reality again.

[@shorty10345]

@@BingChillingBomba if that wasnt sexual harrasment i dont knoe what is 🤣🤣🤣

[@frozello14]

Wouldn't use those words in same sentence for this case 'sexual harassment' and 'workplace'. Since, if you are sitting in your home office and drool after your co-workers in your home office I don't know how can that be turned into sexual harassment in workplace. But to comment the actual case: He was just stupid enough to talk publicly, what was going in his mind so in the end yes there was only one way out and that was gkick.

[@BingChillingBomba]

@@shorty10345 Apparently you don't

[@sebastionmiller7281]

the word youre looking for Guzu is Decorum. Pilav has no Decorum

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

Yea he has no class

[@gregsmw]

annie VERY clearly cares a lot, but it happens so much and so often she had to develop a thick skin over it shes learned to ignore it, to brush it off and downplay it, but she clearly still cares the stuff pilav was saying really just isnt acceptable, as a one time thing maybe it could be passed off, but he had literally already been warned about it by soda and had multiple streamers who refused to interact with him cos he made them uncomfortable its really just, not on

[@Unni_Havas]

In another more competative game. They took the best player in the world. Made a new account, with a female name and got a voice over so his voice sounded female. He was constantly harassed, told he was a bad player, (remember he was the best in the world), and got so much harassment becouse people belived he was female. And he said, if he had gotten all that hate and harassment when he was learning the game, he would have quit long before he made it to the top. So no matter wher it is, wheter it's in a game or IRL. If someone goes over the line tell them. IF you just stay silent when that guy in your friend group goes over the line, you are part of the problem, becouse "jokes" like that is building peoples view of what type of harassment is normal and OK.

[@dylanfarris7647]

This whole pilav situation is an amazing way to tell who is mentally or physically still 14 years old lol. If you don’t think what Pilav said was bad then you’re still stuck in middle school

[@BSwitchGTG]

100000% - the chatter saying "you people are too soft" is clearly an emotionally stunted, immature child. This "edge is cool" crowd seems to be getting physically older, and we're seeing them everywhere (politics, ffs), but mentally they're trapped in childish, neanderthal brains...

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

I always say this. The majority of people watching or commenting on these streamers videos seriously type exactly like a 12 year old. They all use the same words and insults, no originality.

[@Everdred]

If he were to be asked about her and reply she's not his type, that would be enough, but he just took it to a level that no one even wants to see, even when I was a teen I would be taken aback by that statement.

[@karolingston]

cope and seethe

[@sixpackchad]

Imagine being controlled by words.

[@davidholm4999]

Crazy that so many in even Guzu's chat were defending Pilav. No one is simping for Annie, no one is soft, Pilav just did something stupid and he had to face the consequences for it.

[@orthos7681]

His 12 year old viewers might grow up one day. Kinda doubt PIlav ever will

all people that watch Annie are simps, stop lying.

[@Konarcoffee]

"I even said 'Sorry, you're beautiful'" Damn that flippant response says a lot, what a scumbag haha

[@euphoria7046]

scummiest way to land

[@Kidili91]

Best part is he's said "I shouldn't have said that but I meant it, like I mean it stil but yeahl" about 20 times while he waited on Tyler in the call and after he got kicked, yet he claims that he didn't mean it while talking to Tyler and that he said he's sorry and that it was a joke. Lol

[@Razhklashh]

100% gkick, but Pirate lying about what Pilav did in a dungeon while knighting for Annie was weird.

[@abrvalg321]

What's weird about that? He's a lib, they do that.

[@LeLuncher]

@@abrvalg321 way to make stuff political instead of basing something on character. Really good stuff, keep it up! /s

[@seanmcfarlane9911]

@@LeLuncher i mean is he wrong tho :P

[@abrvalg321]

@@LeLuncher Ah, yes, I forgot that we can't notice patterns any more.

[@tomebundalevski1872]

@@LeLuncher bro, tbf most streamers are pretty good spinners ngl

[@Keddlecorn]

The sheer amount of people saying it's not a big deal/t1 is wrong here/it's not that serious don't seem to be able to empathize with what it's like on the other side. I liked alot of Pilav's content, he's very funny sometimes. The issue is that when you normalize reducing women to their attractiveness or their ladyparts, that normalizes the objectification of them and treats them like they're not really people. It's gross.

[@dabillya6845]

he is NOT funny, you must be 12 then. hes just CRINGE and TOXIC.

[@BingChillingBomba]

Women do this at a rate that puts men to shame, but we never make a big deal out of it. Stand up for yourself, have a fucking spine, or get off of the internet and the public square if you can't handle people talking about you publicly. There's either equality for all, or special treatment for women because they're too weak and frail to stand up for themselves. If you lean towards the latter, maybe it's time to stop allowing women to become public figures online if they can't deal with it themselves.

[@wowmanwowgeez]

because its not a big deal. thats why they said it. its not a big deal. was it acceptable? hell no. streamers know what they sign up for. get the hell over it, im sorry to say it wont be the last time some dickhead says something or makes a pass at her. report him on twitch because thats about all anyone can do. it happened on twitch, it wasnt said to her face or ingame. anyone dm's her about it ingame or on twitch ban those morons. you use that streamer skin and iron fist the whole situation. if its a big deal blow it out of proportion. but its not a big deal because that dickhead is now gone from the guild and the community never to be seen again and will forever be known as the racist creep that said something fucked up about a pretty streamer. ill say it again because its not a big deal. everyone is making it a big deal.

[@andersalkjaer4745]

People will say Pilav memes sexually with the boys all the time but he is always with the boys on discord while it happens. Never the girls he memes on. They're not friends

[@vhaelen326]

i mean yeah, that is a valid point, the other point is that it hugely depends on how well you know someone, with my friends we also throw insults at each other and no one gives a damn because we know each other and we know that it IS a joke, however with someone you barely know that doesnt work as well, especially when the person isnt actually present to be in on the joke

[@jamesg9468]

Pilav is 1000% gay from his mannerisms, but in Serbia is a backwater and you have to keep that hidden there

[@bretthogan5805]

​@@vhaelen326 Let's say you make a certain joke towards your best friend that also is insulting to other people. Just because your friend knows it's a joke, does NOT mean the other people implicated will. This is known as harassment, in the workplace.

[@TheParallelSound]

​@@vhaelen326 you made no other point. Your just repeating exactly what Andersalk is talking about. Jesus man

[@therealnervana]

Diddy approves!

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Good job Guzu, proud of you for sticking to your values and acknowledging the negative opinions with grace.

[@Straggler8]

I knew T1 only from some LoL drama and that he played "Draven only" - thanks to OnlyFangs I've learned his lore and gotta say... this guy is really built different. Incredible human being, not even joking here - and a really good dude despite his macho persona

[@FishboyAbzu]

Literally just don't be sexual about it, or weirdly personal. It's that easy.

[@holysecret2]

It's disgusting how people are willfully misinterpreting what Annie says. She says it's fine etc purely for the reason that she doesn't want to get harassed for getting Pilav banned. You should watch out for others "especially" when they don't dare stand up for themselves. She feels VERY obviously uncomfortable about this situation. You can tell how dejected she is that all other male streamers keep supporting him, she accepts it out of necessity, to protect herself.

[@AnnieFuchsia]

bingo

[@Mordiell]

It seems like people didn't understand his sarcasm, but he did state that in the video as well.

[@AnnieFuchsia]

@@Mordiell Oh yeah, I think he did fine explaining he was sarcastic. I assumed the OP just meant people in general who believe this. I've seen countless comments from people saying "Annie said she's fine with it"

[@Sandy-be8wq]

If this situation got ignored, it would have only escalated. Tyler made the right call.

[@plokoon100]

Opposite I think. People reacting to it and posting the clip over dozens of times to thier audience only brings more and more light on it.

[@Kush_Light]

​@plokoon100 i get what u mean, but at the end of the day, the whole guild is a content guild, so this would've happened anyways with other reactions and other streamers opinions

[@dustinvanwinkle5078]

According to Soda he had talked to Pilav and gave warnings multiple times already and a lot of people were uncomfortable with him being in the guild from the beginning. Was only a matter of time til something happened from his remarks.

[@Timmahh85]

@@plokoon100it will have a surge right now, yes. But in the long run, it’s good for the community and for these streamers in general, as Tyler just showed the audience to all their streamers collectively, that this behaviour is not okay.

[@randEveScrub]

I think some of the poor understand of why its inappropriate comments has to do with being edgy was understood to be an opt-in interaction not an opt-out. Further muddled by it being online and each streamer really having their own brand. From the point-of-view of an edgy streamer viewer its an on-brand comment but its jarringly inappropriate for the more general streamer target audience.

[@chc2650]

Any streamer that shows signs of letting the Chat control what they say is a liability. Gotta always be in control of the chat.

[@mariusquam2410]

no. not at all. that is twitch's job. not the streamer.

[@l337pwnage]

@OP well, the mods. Streamer doesn't have time to censor the chat. Mods should filter it before he sees it.

[@ThiccOleCat]

Yeah it's an extremely weak excuse. Going to extremes imagine someone saying "I didn't mean to say a slur, chat tricked me!" It makes you look incompetent at best, malicious at worst.

[@l337pwnage]

@@ThiccOleCat Do competent people have to resort to streaming for a living?

[@ThiccOleCat]

@@l337pwnage Don't know, I didn't personally check the streamer to see if they had to "resort to" it after trying out several other things in order to be ready for your strawman.

[@fieryseven3390]

You are not soft Guzu. Annie probably doesn't want to have anything to do with it. Sometimes it's better to know you guys have her back but not throw gas on the situation solely because it was about her. Who wants to be with that many people and everything is related to sex. It's a group of like minded individuals there for a professional situation that revolves around this content. The article wouldn't be on Rolling Stone if it wasn't. So to all the comments about being sensitive put it in that perspective.

[@Max-9871]

"sorry" isnt a excuse to just say everything. a apologize actually means nothing if the person knew it was wrong when saying and thats 100% the case here. so gkick and cancel this idiot

[@debsylvania]

It's ridiculous to think that Annie doesn't care. She cares, but she is resigned to the fact that nobody will do anything about it, so she will try to ignore it to protect her feelings.

[@Daicardman]

So glad he got kicked. So tired of this permanently online toxic trash of a community thinking this is pkay.

[@Daicardman]

So glad he got kicked. So tired of this permanently online toxic community thinking talking like this is normal.

[@Damnedcobra]

It's so sad to me that she specifically mentioned Savix as one of the male streamers she feels like doesn't care and well... she was right because he added a clip of her saying that at the end of his video about the situation without acknowledging it - the same video in which he said he's gonna keep being friends and making content with Pilav :/

[@lydon5595]

"nobody will do anything about it" Do what? Who's responsibilty is how Pilav behaves?

[@SelenaFoxglove]

I watched her stream and she spent so much time saying she didn't mind but it felt like she was saying it because she didn't want to be harassed by his viewers. She kept saying she has noting to do with this and didn’t want to be harassed. She can't even feel annoyed by what he says without his viewers attacking her.

[@DW-lx9wt]

The problem with this and even a lot of banter, is viewers then think its ok to say the same things. Annie can take it from Pilav, because she knows the deal with him, especially from the last time they had drama a few years back. What she can't handle is her chat being blown up by Pilav viewers then taunting her with the same crap. The Snowymixy comment was just him saying what a viewer said to him IRL. That's the problem though, if you foster a community of people acting the same way, then you shouldn't be surprised that your community is toxic. That sort of 'joke' pulls in the folk that find edgy humour funny. He's been really kind of toxic in a lot of the other ways too. It was definitely a cumulation of things and i think it was actually Makaila that raised this final clip with T1 giving a girls perspective. The most surprising thing about all the recent dramas is how T1 has responded. I've always just thought of him as just another toxic league streamer, but, he has shown how much he's grown. He's had some really good takes.

[@DW-lx9wt]

I should add, I like Pilav but streaming should be seen as a job. There's a lot of money involved these days and I don't know any workplace that would put up with this kind of schtick. I honestly believed he was going to listen to Savix and tone it down but that didn't last long. Within the first few hours of OnlyFangs he was talking quite poorly about PalmBee. I know he was joking, but, he didn't know her that well at that point and his community made that whole thing worse.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

@@DW-lx9wt is he specifically focusing on women with his insults? Just curious, sort of feels like it.

[@mariusquam2410]

@@DW-lx9wt this is toned down. this is toned down to a insane degree.

[@dabillya6845]

you guys have bad emotional radars. tyler has always been a good guy deep down.

[@mariusquam2410]

@@dabillya6845 yeah that might be, i might be taking it out on t1 since i hate him with all my being after the inting and flaming he did back in the day on lol. i dont think he has changed and are still the biggest human trash there is. but that should not have an effect on this situatiion. so might be me over criticising him unfairly.

[@RazerBoyV1]

My emotions are not other peoples responsibility, if they were then I'd be a slave to other peoples opinions and that's no way to live a full life. Having other people being able to control your emotions is a mental health issue. Most people are a consequence of other peoples opinions, like this anybody can ruin you. Don't give the privilege of how you feel to other people or you'll become a slave of other peoples words. We listen to everybody because we could be doing something wrong but what they say will not determine HOW I AM.

[@Zonalar]

I liked Pilav, he made the first 2 weeks of Onlyfangs really exciting for me, and I liked the dynamics with him and you, Xaryu, Savix and even the dungeons with Tyler1. But what really threw me off is, when he told these stories of him being in prison for a few years, and now he's back. And a week later I find out that was just a wholecloth lie, to entertain his viewers for engageement, when Xaryu asked him about it during a SM dungeon run (xaryu seemed like he was both curious + worried, if Pilav was in actual trouble). I believed Pilav. Now I realize it's just normal for him to lie about these things for entertainment. Joke's on me I guess for believing he was more authentic than that.

[@UrsusObesus]

The thing is, it's not hard to not be a douche online. I don't know what it is about many streamers these days and maybe it brings them views but saying stuff like this isn't cool. Also, props to Tyler1 who I have come to respect more watching him play WoW with OnlyFangs. I used to think he was just a toxic roid league player but playing WoW with OnlyFangs has actually brought more of his real personality out.

[@lukasgold429]

Also, tyler has a daughter, as i do. He (same as me) probably found this shit bad before, but it hits on a whole different level if you imagine ANYONE talking about your own daughter in that way. Made the right call 100%

[@sickish]

So glad Pilav is gone. Was disappointed to see Savix being buddy buddy with him.

[@rollermixmax]

are you 12 years old?

[@sickish]

@@rollermixmax no I'm an adult with a wife and beautiful daughters who can recognize a racist misogynist when I see one. Not complicated.

[@frewthelookingglass860]

@@rollermixmaxAre you?

[@Pidbullz]

Same

[@x100Trem]

Man don’t put it on savix. He wasn’t in huge contact with pilav and he said it’s correct to kick him. Besides that let him befriend whoever he wants to

[@narthvader6298]

Pilav is garbage. You could see this outcome coming a mile away when he was invited to guild. We add guys like Pilav to OF but not Mitch. Weird.

[@sevom89walker86]

Why didn’t they invite Mitch?

[@kazdaillest]

Because mizkif and his beef

[@Shakk404]

Mitch and miz have beef? What did I miss lol

[@loganjohnson9322]

They did coke and got into an argument resulting in miz punching Mitch out

[@bigfatdane]

@@Shakk404 apparently they had a literal fist fight

[@Gnomishfajita]

Doing as a joke as a friend is okay, doing it behind someone's back that isn't your friend is not okay

[@Lotuz]

Its easy for chatters to say people are too sensitive when you're an anonymous nobody who has absolutely nobody caring about what you do.

[@patmacrotch5611]

Pilav Anytime woman enters chat - “are you woman?!? 😮😮😮 are you attractive?!? “

[@riolidansnarfledang7833]

"You can't call me bias because I don't agree with your opinion." Brother that's the entire internet now unfortunately.

[@weslysmith7881]

If onlyfangs was a workplace, he would be fired

[@dremogul]

100%

[@BismuthKaiju]

I keep saying this. Just because these streamers are in their rooms, they think they aren't in a work setting in the guild. I just don't get how people are this comfortable talking about other people like that.. It's so cringe.

[@BingChillingBomba]

Good thing it's not a workplace setting then huh?

[@BingChillingBomba]

@@BismuthKaiju They aren't in a work setting though. It doesn't matter how much you want to compare the office to a bunch of manchildren lucky enough to be able to stream for money, it's not the same thing.

[@RevolutionPaulRon]

I told you months ago to distance yourself from Pilav 😂 mentally he's a 13 year old boy

[@amethonys2798]

The issue IS Pilav, but I'm sure it is "easy enough" to ignore him (don't group with him or be in call with him). The bigger problem is I would almost guarantee his army of 10 year olds constantly went into these people's chats and parroted anything he said and that will just wear down on you over time and require so much additional moderation for something not your fault (being born a woman).

[@Organizm238]

Finally Pilav get called for his garbage behavior. Can't believe there are people that defend him.

[@l337pwnage]

lol, but anon internet people stirring drama is fine? 🤣 I just want to know who was sharing clips.

[@Valvad0ss]

@@l337pwnage why does it matter? the words were said. Stop moving goalposts man. Some of you need education desperately.

[@l337pwnage]

@@Valvad0ss Just pointing out that people are getting played. I guess if that floats your boat, have fun.

[@lucianocortes8636]

Rofl all these streamers are snowflakes 😂😂😂

[@l337pwnage]

@@lucianocortes8636 Behind the scenes, probably not so much, but they are employees, they have to put on a show. Guzu almost broke character a bit when he laughed at one of Pilav's statements, but then he put his "serious" face back on, lol.

[@boreoff6719]

Pilav has zero self awareness, such a shame because he can be very funny without this ott edgy shit xD

[@matthewmammothswine4395]

He’s plenty aware he just dosent care lol

[@RE-sc9bz]

Lol all the mads in the comments... i hope she sees this bros.

[@madeo4922]

I really hate the "it's not that bad/it's just a joke" and "some chat message baited me to say it" thing. The whole it's just a joke thing is like those prank channels doing fucked up shit on random people and then called it a prank, as if they won't get into any trouble after saying the line. Blaming on chat also doesn't make sense at all. While yeah that chat message might annoyed him and made him to respond, but I don't think that viewer hijacked his brain and made him say all those stuff by sending a chat message. What he said is still thought by his brain and spoken from his mouth, nothing gonna changed that. I don't mind pliav sayting those edgy jokes personally but he should only make those joke around people that are comfortable with his joke and vibe with him. I like making edgy jokes from time to time but as a person with basic social skills after talking to people irl(really hard i know), I know when you should or shouldn't say it and where's the limit according to the group of people. It's really not a hard thing to do but he just keep making those jokes that clearly only he and his viewers are laughing at while not considering the consequences of them. At the end of the day, onlyfangs is clearly not his vibe and he should just join a guild/play with people that match his edgy personality.

[@Oneofthecoments]

Hardcore has a better community, it’s one of the reasons I love this game mode. However WoW in general is literally known for having a toxic community full of trolls. When your comments are too much for even the wow trolls I don’t think there is any “soft” or “snowflake” about it. T1 made the right call here, they don’t need that crap.

[@OleaiD]

The problem isn't the cringe streamer. The problem is the cringe streamer's army of sycophants who will likely go on to harass the people commented on. Just don't make sexual comments about any other streamer.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

That’s exactly it. Therefore he needs to filter what he says, way too many troll 12 year olds online.

[@Xfacta12482]

I mean, you cultivate a community by how you behave on stream. He doesn't have an "army of sycophants" on accident.

[@Zonalar]

Cultivate your community. If you just want to "become big", then you clearly put next to no effort into trying to moderate or cultivate that community, because everybody's let in. It's not his fault, but he still holds partial responsibility. And how you act and behave influences others (obviously).

streamer's army of sycophants? You mean like Annie's woke brigade? LOL

[@whaghu]

Pilav hasn't changed in years. I stopped watching his YT years ago because of his personality, thought he might have changed but I guess not. Boys gotta grow up

[@05matheussl]

Pilav is the oldest 14yo edgy teenager in the world

[@euphoria7046]

this has nothing to do with sensitivity

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Yup, at a certain point we can’t blame people being too sensitive, too many folk think that not filtering what they say is a good and proud thing to do, when all it shows is impulsivity and a lack of social awareness.

[@SaxonBlue2]

It's about politeness, and courtesy. Alas, many people no longer seem to value either.

[@wyfyj]

He needs to grow up. Savix does too with how deep he was going for him. Guzu is more balanced.

[@jamesg9468]

I like Savix, but he keeps company with some really strange dudes. He needs to develop better judgement of character, or else they will drag him down with them

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

@@jamesg9468 is it possible that maybe you and some others here might just not see that Savix is a good dude encouraging Pilav to be healthier and happier by being his friend? I used to have a more black and white view like that but these days I feel like there’s nothing wrong with what Savix is doing. He did the right thing.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Or you need to grow up for assuming your opinion is the correct one and can’t be any other way when you are holding a negative view. Read previous comment. People who get it will, those who don’t , well that stinks for them lol.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Or you need to grow up for assuming your opinion is the correct one and can’t be any other way when you are holding a negative view. Read previous comment. People who get it will, those who don’t , well that stinks for them lol.

[@jamesg9468]

@@user-fg3fv9hl3b Are you okay? You're having a dialogue with yourself there

[@michaelbrandon6789]

TBH i get where everyone is coming from but i mean isnt everyone familiar with piulav ? I dont think he actually knows hes being offensive . why didnt anyone pull him to the side and just tell him one on one that people could be getting offended by him ? clearly he doesnt know and i feel like making him a villian isnt exactly fair ? I mean hes clearly in the "talking with bros" atmosphere so idk , I feel like maybe some intervention and prevention couldve been done here too.

[@KarmaRave]

Muccchhhhhhhh lovvvvvvvvveee to GuzuTV and everyone here!~!~!~!

[@Tweekiee]

Can tell that you are also hella uncomfortable about talking about stuff like this. Handled it like a champ tho!

[@GHIBaal]

Guzu commenting in this is like watching him dodging Landmines😂

[@brenjamen9590]

People thinking that Annie was saying PIlav's actions were OK by her response shows they have no social skills or are just gross. She's saying she would be SURPRISED if Tyler banned him because so many men are treating women like this and think it's ok, which is gross. She clearly has been bothered by it so long but gave up as no one would take action. It's actually disgusting it took this long. Best call by Tyler, keep it up big little man

[@energyoneeighty2887]

its sad that she is gonna get the backlash on this because his community will think she was the reason he got gkicked. And that is why she says "its okay, it doesn't bother me) so she doesn't get harassed, anyone with a brain knows she's not okay with it.

[@austinmiller417]

If you're a grown adult, its your own job to not let words hurt you. They're literally just words and someone's opinion, it doesn't affect you unless you let it affect you.

[@AnnieFuchsia]

@@austinmiller417 I've banned 100s of people at this point who come into my chat or ingame whispers telling me I'm ugly, that I should kill myself or that they will r*pe me. 1 person saying, no big deal, but when a streamer says it, there's insane consequences that I have to endure. Maybe you don't care, but I wish you could imagine your own sister or mother going through this

[@BismuthKaiju]

@@austinmiller417 You're right, as a grown adult you should go talk about a female coworkers genitals openly at work, that's basically what Pilav did, at least in one of the clips. Annie didn't do shit and is being harassed about it. Adults don't just talk about other people as sexual objects, and to just allow people do do that is weakness. Not letting other people dehumanizing women affect you, is cowardice. Grow up and start caring about people.

[@420RittzBish]

@@austinmiller417 If you're a grown adult it's your own job to not say things that piss other people off. Go say what he said in any other job and see what happens to you.

[@BingChillingBomba]

@@420RittzBish Playing a 20 year old game together with a group of misfits is not a "a job" nor is this "a workplace". You people need to grow up

[@JohnB-mo4kq]

I get it, he fell into the "locker room" talk without realizing or forgetting he is streaming, which is a job and you technically have coworkers. Like others have commented, if you said anything remotely resembling this in the real world, enjoy your trip to HR. It's just the world we live in. It's like the old saying, you wouldn't talk to your mother like that.

[@callumwright5874]

What you walk by, you condone/accept - Pilav’s comments were misogynistic and toxic and every time he appears on any of the streamers videos I watch I have problems with something he says and usually end up not watching.

[@innieplays]

Annie should think about how sad it actually is that Pilav has done shit like this for years, and no one cared, other male streamers would just watch it and laugh. Because the way he's talking? It's actually not ok. It's not ok for anyone to talk like that tbh. It's extremely disrespectful and doesn't have a place. It would be the same if some woman was say shit like this about a man. It doesn't matter. It's just not on.

[@traviscue2099]

This is like any other guild drama, if this stuff was said in guild chat.. They would of been kicked a while ago in most guilds. Bad mouthing other guildies never goes down well.

[@geissler91]

Can't believe how many guzu chatters wanted to white knight for this disrespectful dude. Ironic accusing others of that simply for having basic respect meanwhile they wanna take a bullet for the cringe man.

[@theswede3286]

Gotta love the idiots who say that, Guzu or anyone that had issues with what pilav said, are soft. It's not about being soft. it's about being a decent person because there's a huge difference between banter and being an ahole. For those that are saying Annie is ok with it. You really need to get outside and actually interact with people. Maybe then you'll see that even though she said she was ok, that she really wasn't good with it. it was painfully obvious that she was afraid of getting blamed and hate brigaded for it. Hopefully one day these kids will grow up.

[@BingChillingBomba]

Being a decent person also involves speaking out when you feel uncomfortable and standing your ground, instead of saying "I don't mind" all the time. Don't expect a bunch of socially illiterate autists to get the finer details of what it's like to hear a woman talk. LMAO

[@Aysentaro]

if everywhere she goes there is drama at what point you consider that she is the problem? just askin

[@tablechair]

I'm disappointed at reaction tubers. This should just have been dealt with off stream. Annie does not deserve this shit.

[@kaskipa]

he's not wrong about indians lol

[@dremogul]

he was kicked for a lot of reasons, but talking about Annie having "giant p**sy" and making palmbee climax was the last straw for Tyler. He was warned about making sexual comments by Soda, and as a streamer you gotta know that if you give the chat an inch they'll take it too far. Everyone defending pilav are coping.

[@znoozaros]

Max I've managed to watch Pilav has been roughly 10 seconds I'm so glad it will be even easier to avoid his content from now on

[@moonhaewon6689]

Anthony joselnik said it well, the problem is not how edgy the joke is, its that it just wasnt really funny and it was a bit too focused on specific people

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Really? Most people find it quite offensive and for good reason, but I’d like to think otherwise

[@bavarianwolf3806]

Pilav is that kind of guy nobody wants as a reallifefriend. He has this Basic aggressiveness and gets mad instant and screams and beeing totally offensive.. It might be that culture there, but in a normal society, this attitude and behavor nobody likes and want.

[@davidcalhoun3235]

Saying something is not toxic. Constantly saying something to hurt someone is toxic and i hate the word toxic.

[@KingJerbear]

I'm suprised Guzu didn't speak up a bit more. I've seen multiple of Pilav's videos where he's basically calling him an idiot and saying he's built like a tripod. Now sure, maybe those things don't offend Guzu on a personal level, but it's like, dude who said we were "friends" enough to give you the right to talk about me in your videos/stream? It's some real like 14 year old edgelord energy. The fact after all of this his reasoning is that he was joking and blames his chat just further points to a serious lack of maturity and understanding of what adult relationships are like. I'm sure maybe the Serbian culture is different, but I don't wake up every day looking to make fun of people or cultures that I know nothing about and have no relationship with. I said it on Savix's video and I'll say it again, there's a large difference between "jokes" you tell amongst your close friends sitting at a bar, and what you project out to the internet to live on forever.

[@gibble7863]

I dont think pilav is a bad guy or wants to cause drama for people, I just think hes not cut out for being a streamer. A big part of that is being careful what you say and how you are perceived and he doesnt seem to have the ability to tone it down. I dont think the question "how would they feel" or "how does this make me come across to other people" have ever entered his mind. Like his humour or not, I dont think it's fair to say hes a bad person. I think the kick was a bit strong, but I understand it.

[@Robzen187]

Annie is cute.. how can he say something like that?..

[@kill-techproductions434]

Dude does the Schrodinger's asshole thing. Eventually, after saying "it's just a joke!' so many times, people will just treat you like an asshole.

[@tavirosu25]

Nothing if value was lost

[@kaskipa]

like your spelling

[@crazybutcoolforu]

Whatever viewer was defending his actions is delusional. Annie said that obviously the stuff was accepted, so that's why she didnt make a deal about it. Crazy take from your viewer

[@ThiccOleCat]

imo Pops did have cancer and he cured it when he got that guy killed. What a gross thing to say over a video game.

[@teetle0]

To me there's ways to do edgy humour that's super funny but his kinda edgy humour is just so lazy that it feels more like someone saying they're views rather than crafting a joke.

[@captainmcface9393]

"Chat baited me" - if things worked like that, we would have a looot of weird content.

[@sethcarter9833]

Pilav was just disgusting over yeeeaaars....it was about time

[@Zonalar]

but he didn't stream. It was mostly youtube videos. And when its in a video, most people see it as a comedy bit. On a stream, people expect some authenticy (mostly cuz its hard to keep a character going for 10+ hours for the whole stream), so it hits different.

[@Squall598]

Pop's didn't kill that Duoking guy. The guy could've just left or walked out but made a bad decision and died as a result.

[@brizzinger]

Being edgy as "schtick" is just an excuse to exert odd uncontrollable behavior

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Yup, the more my fellow men realize that being really offensive and sexually insulting women isn’t funny the better.

[@markloroff]

Any chatter saying hes simping needs to step outside and reevaluate their life

[@Fertxunonimo]

Not only Annie bulling... What about Pilav's bulling at Guzu with his bad taste videos? As Guzu said, he deserves the gkick at least, one month ago. No more patriarchy, please.

[@minementalx]

I think that Pilavs comments would be "okay",only if Annie would be also offensive and combative. But it seems she took it just passively and tried not to get more attention, so he should apologize. You don't attack people that can't defend themselves male or female. I still enjoyed some of his videos.

[@NorwegianQvirr]

Edit: got to the point where you mentioned the sarcasm. Still, you know how kids are online these days and your sarcasm was clearly not obvious enough.. Holy shit Guzu when you said something like «I guess you’re right chat, she doesn’t care at all» after watching her reaction to the Pilav situation, I can’t tell if you’re being honest or sarcastic. If you are actually not seeing that this is a huge problem that has been going on for years as she states with a resigned and sad tone, then I just lost a lot of respect for you. She is CLEARLY not OK with it, and sounds utterly disappointed that people are still supporting Pilav to the extent that they are. I hope you were being sarcastic, but even then, that’s not supportive at all. «I guess it’s okay if I’m… the target this time…» means she has given up hope that others actually care. Fuck me dude…

[@hjaltesejrasmussen2626]

Hey Guzu Har været lurker både her og på twitch i et par år efterhånden (ca siden Hardcore blev en ting)! ... Men nu blir jeg sgu nødt til endelig at bryde stilheden! - Virkelig fin reaktion på hele den her episode! Jeg har altid syntes du virker som en eftertænksom, fornuftig og ordentlig person (Nok den primære årsag til at jeg gider høre på dig 8+ timer ad gangen), men den her video bekræftiger helt sikkert den opfattelse! "I don't agree with you, so i must be biased? What the fuck??" er hermed mit nye yndlingscitat. Så kan Winston Churchill vist rooooligt pakke sammen! 😂 I øvrigt en helt anden ting! Jeg fyldte 30 år sidste sommer, det er slet ikke noget at lade sig skræmme over! Faktisk er der rigtig meget der pludselig bliver meget nemmere! - Lige bortset fra at sove mere end 7 timer uden at stå op for at tisse 😅

[@ShiroyashaTTK]

Thing was annie didnt report it but yhis wasnt even the first report pilav have, soda already confirmed that he had numerous of reports, he even opens up peoples stream when theyre bantering and shit talking and viewers chat hop. Like i get the edgy content love pilav and savix together but youre in a guild with other streamers and people you dont evene know and dont even know you, edgy jokes wont fly, since not everyone will understand your humor

[@Huhgundai399]

Elitist guild with pretentious “cool club” mentality is the cringiest thing I’ve seen in WoW and that is saying so much it’s wild

[@solgrief]

Pilav is a weirdo. Straight up only for the kids

[@TonniMaLonni]

Some pilav vids are straight up hillarious, others unwatchable. His excuse of "chat made me do it" has to be his most hillarious take 🤣🤣

[@StevieCoupons]

He plays a character and there's alot of streamers that are low key white knights at heart. I don't think it was bad what he said alittle chuckle and move on honestly. Too many streamers got caught up in the MeToo movement and are afraid to joke about anything when it comes to women. NMP is doing life right.

[@dremogul]

NMP only banters with his female friends, and he says it to their face so they can banter back. Pilav was showing off to his edgelords in chat, and is saying this behind their back essentially. Tyler said Pilav already had a lot of strikes, but talking about Annie's p^^sy and making palmbee climax was the last straw for Tyler.

[@lost1head]

Tbh I don't agree with Guzu that what Pilav did is bad because they are in a streamer guild. If anything at least in a streamer guild it's easier to get them face consequences, prove what they did and so on. It's common for women to deal with those things in normal non streamer communities and it sucks.

[@Xintho]

Soda first watching pilavs video about joining. Soda said he was friends with GGX. That's all I needed to know he shouldn't be in the guild.

[@ErlendFlatin]

people who say they do "edgy" content are just avoiding accountability for the fact that they are a bully, let's call a spade a spade

donate money to Annie

[@bradjames8256]

The "you guys are too soft" and "there is nothing here" need to understand that in polite society this doesn't fly. Its about respect. I understand talking about this kind of shit seems fine because he says it all the time but outside of the incel community its disqualifying conduct. He said she would have an orgasm just looking at him and people are like "whats the big deal?". Spoiler alert - its a big fucking deal. If you don't think its a big deal, understand why you're objectively wrong and absorb the life advise.

[@someguy9970]

We don't live in polite society, we live in dystopian society.

[@Timmahh85]

@@someguy9970you might wanna try traveling a bit, because then you will learn that you are mistaken. Politeness is the majority factor.

[@someguy9970]

@@Timmahh85 You are wrong lmao. Most of the world thinks like Pilav. “Polite society” doesn’t condone what you clowns do.

[@BingChillingBomba]

@@Timmahh85 How to tell you barely interacted with other people xD The main majority factor all over the world is racism, the love for your own people over others. Any person who claims "le whites are so racist" has never met someone from China, has never talked with a Nigerean about other Africans, has never talked with a Balkan about their last 100 years of history, has never had a good conversation with a Mexican. Politeness in the sense that you describe it is a fake societal mechanism that's most prevelant in the USA

[@Notpoop906]

people are way overreacting to this. is it just because he said it on stream? or are people pretending this isn't normal conversation between friends? you telling me you've never called someone ugly before? ISNANE cope.

[@dremogul]

Nah, he was talking about Annie having "giant p**sy" and making palmbee climax. He was warned about making sexual comments, and as a streamer you gotta know that if you give the chat an inch they'll take it too far. Everyone defending pilav are coping.

[@remiholm9737]

"I've said way worse than that" just proves the point

[@BigPekka69]

I'm not going to defend Pilav at all here but I do have a sense that if a female streamer said "he's so ugly. Only a person blind would find him attractive." She would not only get away with it but she would never feel the need to backtrack and apologize

[@Zonalar]

doesn't even matter. Women generally care about how good they look, men generally don't. Are we just ignoring the fact men and women are differen't and care about different things? I don't know what gave you the impression she wouldn't "backtrack and apologize", but I don't get that impression from her.

[@dremogul]

he was kicked for a lot of reasons, but talking about Annie having "giant p**sy" and making palmbee climax was the last straw for Tyler. He was warned about making sexual comments by Soda, and as a streamer you gotta know that if you give the chat an inch they'll take it too far. Everyone defending pilav are coping.

[@dabillya6845]

he talked about private parts, thats just gross man.

[@sputnikalgrim]

WoW the game that makes grown adults act like teenagers since 2004. There’s always gotta be an edgelord and a hypersensitive person in every guild and it just causes drama every time. I don’t do well with people which is why I never say anything and jam music when I’m playing

[@NTTTTTT52]

T1 strong leader

[@l337pwnage]

T1 is now S1

[@Will-hs1yd]

Cant help but wonder if everyones reaction would have been the same if it was reversed. If she called him ugly etc. Feel like it wouldnt