OKINAWA KARATE Old footage 2

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OKINAWA KARATE Old footage 2
This is a very valuable material that Tamotsu Miyahira sensei received from Kou Uehara sensei of Okinawa Goju-ryu.
宮平保先生が沖縄剛柔流・上原恒先生より頂いた沖縄空手のとても貴重な資料です。

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@footy888 3 жыл бұрын

福建省に住んでいます。知り合いの武術家４人に映像について聞いてみました。以下それぞれの方のコメント。永春白鶴拳の先生・最初の方の型は三戦に近い。白鶴っぽいが、福州の鶴拳ぽくもある。ただし我々の三戦は基本的に開手でやる。・後の方のは四門という型に少し近く、手法も似ている。太祖拳が混じっているようにも感じる。五祖拳の先生・歩法は白鶴に近い。五祖拳練習者・全体的に白鶴だけど、五祖拳が混じってる。まあでも五祖拳自体がミックス拳法だけど（笑）。浙江省の南拳と楊式太極拳の先生・かなりハイレベルな五祖拳。アモイ周辺の五祖拳よりも広東省や浙江省の南拳に近い。

@MrGuppysan 3 жыл бұрын

貴重な情報ありがとうございます。 1960年代の映像ですので、当時国交がない中国本土ではなく、台湾の方なのかと予測しておりますが、現時点ではこの方がどなたか、そして白鶴拳なのか五祖拳なのかまだ分かりかねております。天行健中国武術館公式channelスタッフ。

@footy888 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrGuppysan いえいえ。また機会があれば外の人達にも聞いてみます。

@keishinnew Жыл бұрын

自分は台湾に住んでて、國術を学んでます。老師は國術の研究者であって、彼の永春白鶴拳、太祖拳についての文章を見た事があります。永春白鶴拳も太祖拳もは福建地方の拳法で、台湾に100年以上住んでる台湾人はほとんどが福建から来てます。ですので、お祭りとかで見かける國術は基本的に永春白鶴拳か五祖拳です。そして、五祖拳に含まれる基本の五つ拳法の一つが白鶴拳です(他の四つ:太祖拳、達春拳、羅漢拳、猴拳)。ですので、両方が混ざってる可能性は十分あります。元々歴史的に切り離せる事はできません。

@DrMARDOC 3 жыл бұрын

All from White Crane! After the terrible devastation of World War 2 many Okinawan Masters came to study and learn Bunkai from the many White Crane Systems’ Masters still alive in Taiwan. I know as I saw this first hand, face-to-face in the 1970’’s

@Xannyphantom905 3 жыл бұрын

After WW2? How did this even come about? What would make karatekas go seek out White Crane masters considering how they treated china during the war? What caused those masters to even accept japanese students?

@DrMARDOC 3 жыл бұрын

@@Xannyphantom905 Taiwan was a Japanese colony for 50 years. 1895-1945. For the most part, Japanese treated the Taiwanese ok. Traditional Chinese arts and weapons were banned by the Japanese. But the Taiwanese still trained underground. Both Okinawa and Taiwan were conquered and occupied by Japan. The Okinawans trained underground secretly at night as well. And their kata were designed to hide things. Both were trading partners especially when it came to the highly prized Taiwan Oolong Teas. Okinawa te practitioners went to China BEFORE WWII. Okinawans went to Taiwan in the late 1890’s til the 1930’s. During this time, 1880-1911 going to China was dangerous because of the political upheaval of the Han Chinese against the Manchurian Ching Dynasty. That was followed by the warlord era, then finally the establishment of Dr. SUN YAT SEN’s REPUBLIC OF CHINA. Both Taiwan and Okinawa were safe because they were both part of Japan at the time. So the Okinawans came to learn ( quietly). White Crane and other forms of Shaolin have existed on Taiwan since the 1600’s. As had the ENTIRE Taoist Canon. Martial arts Masters, Monks, Taoist priests-who ever was politically active and persude by the Ching Dynasty would escape to Taiwan which is 2/3 Mountainous and easy to hide. So, there’s been all sorts of culture here. After the conclusion of the War, and the closing off of Mainland China due to communism, and many Mainland Masters fleeing to Taiwan Many Okinawans came here to Taiwan to try to put back together their systems lost information. Okinawans have always been welcomed and liked here. The mainland Japanese not so much. Americans have almost always been loved here as best friends. It was only after the opening of Communist China in the late 70’s early 80’s did MA researchers begin going their. They found many changes such as the dramatic flamboyant new Kung Fu promoted by the government their for competition ( rather than fighting/self defense) called “ Wu Shu”. Other terms preferred by old style practitioners in Taiwan were ;” Wu Kong ( martial skill), and Kuo Shu ( our National Arts). Hope this helps! I’ve lived here 44 years now and still in love with the Beautiful Country and People of Taiwan ROC!

@Xannyphantom905 3 жыл бұрын

@@DrMARDOC I understand the karatekas going to china before WW2. It still leaves me with questions. If Taiwan was a japanese colony and banned Chinese forms of combat, what led to the japanese learning it anyway? Even if quietly?

@DrMARDOC 3 жыл бұрын

@@Xannyphantom905 because it wasn’t the Japanese learning it on Taiwan. They would never teach the Japanese. It was the Okinawans. Don’t lump them together. Okinawa had its own separate history, King, culture and language and was once a Chinese protectorate in the Ming And Ching Dynasties before the Japanese Satsuma invasion of Okinawa.

@サドマゾの遊び場 3 жыл бұрын

おお！いいね！両手突きとか参考になりますありがとうございます！

@古武道らぼ 3 жыл бұрын

貴重な動画ありがとうございます！昔の琉球唐手と中国武術南拳の交流が動画で見れるとは思いませんでした。身体使いの共通点を互いに披露している点で素晴らしいレベルと感じました。

@tombslasher 3 жыл бұрын

Looks very like Southern Mantis. Example Tong Long Jow ga.

@evgenyrybin2394 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, thank you for sharing this

@eduardosalgado9031 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it ! White crane style?

@Eiche2k 3 жыл бұрын

Is that Karate Sensei from Shorin Ryu Kyudokan? I recognize both kata: Passai dai and Unsu, but the latter is different from what is currently practiced.