Old Catholics Explained in 2 Minutes

[@Marbo12f]

Well I have to say Gay Marriage, Female Priests, and Universal Salvation aren’t the first things one assumes when thinking on why a group would call themselves “Old Catholics”.

[@FirstNameLastName-is6yb]

The fact that they've kept the name feels like an insult to the true Faith.

[@alessandrovolta8354]

Old Catholics Always Say that theta are Catholics Who have decided tò go back tò the sources. I am curious tò know where they have found in ancient sources modern liberalism

[@brianmarin3109]

@@alessandrovolta8354 probably not the Vatican council of 1869, not there.

[@johnfisher247]

There are not many of them and they have defined themselves by becoming a type of repudiation, pro culture group in which fashion and secularist decadence shapes them. They appear Catholic but are not in any sense so they attract those whose personal vices fit in.

[@veronica_._._._]

@@alessandrovolta8354 In the Goddess Temples of Greece that St Paul constantly railed against and warned us about. So called New Age (New Aeon) and Modernism( and Po Mo) have constantly channeled paganism from the humanistic "Enlightenment" and probably before.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

I didn't even know such a denomination existed. Thanks for the information.

[@JudithSanchez-ht6jn]

In my town Bayonne we had has a polish national Catholic Church and also many polish immigrants and their American born attended.

[@PInk77W1]

I saw an Old Catholic Church once in Ojai CA. I had no clue what it was

[@josephpadula2283]

The ojai church you talk about is Liberal Catholic Church derived from but not part of Old Catholics. When driving by to a Roman Catholic service my children saw the sign and asked why we never went to that parish for mass. I guess when they said all the angels We were afraid it included the Fallen ones too…

[@steveg5453]

We are not a large communion (not even in our ‘mother church’ here in the Netherlands), but we are very active and are always looking to be a witness and reach out ecumenically to other churches!

[@markgraham2312]

I am remarkably pleased with the objectivity with which you report on the differences between denominations in Christianity, which is not easy. This topic can be highly emotionally charged, and presenting your analysis dispassionately is a great source of information for those who listen.

[@MAMoreno]

By this standard, maybe Lutherans and Anglicans should call themselves "Even Older Catholics." 😉

[@justin_messer]

I see what you did there.

[@soundimpact4633]

As a "confirmed, but no longer" lutheran, Martin did not come out far enough.

[@ShomoGoldburgler]

Anglicans no longer hold any semblance to Catholicism, they have alphabet mafia clergy and perform alphabet union. Also female clergy...

[@pavlohryhorash7078]

One of my episcopalian friends once called himself “catholic light”😅

[@Lorrainecats]

@@pavlohryhorash7078 we Lutherans call ourselves Catholic lite, too. I thought that came from Robin Williams.

[@jendreg1935]

It's important to know that PNCC operates mainly in the US and originated there. They have a very small presence in Poland itself. The other Old Catholic Church is the Mariavite Church, they mainly operate in Poland and are the biggest Old Catholic Church in the country if I'm not mistaken.

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

The PNCC operates in Canada too.

[@tedperkoski7534]

after WW1 there was several Polish National Catholic Churches founded in Poland. Also, there are two Mariavite Church groups in Poland. They ordain women to the priesthood. They believe that If a male priest marries a female priest, the Children are born without Original Sin

[@veronica_._._._]

@@tedperkoski7534a l actually laughed out loud at the last line. (Paradoxical response) Are they taking the warnings of Revelations as a script to follow?

[@CatholicTraditional]

The PNCC was originally founded by Polish-American immigrants who wanted the Mass in Polish (vs. the TLM).

[@thomasschreiber9559]

One here in the Detroit area in Hamtramck

[@ronaldbobeck1026]

I Grew up in the Wyoming Valley of NEPA. The Polish National Church started in the Valley when the Irish controlled Diocese of Scranton, treated many of the Parishes of predominantly Polish immigrants " poorly " before WW1. They broke with Rome and formed their own Churches . Scattered throughout the towns of Wilkes Barre and Scranton and Hazleton there still parishes. Also Detroit and Buffalo NY. I had friends who were Polish National.

[@CatholicTraditional]

When you mean “Irish controlled”, you mean the Bishop and diocesan curia were ☘️, which most American dioceses were under such control for 150 yrs or so. In many places it was common for ethnic parishes, but they were still in Communion with Rome.

[@martinsmith2786]

PN Church in Bayonne, NJ also.

[@j.gregory6478]

When I lived in western Massachusetts I recall a Polish National Catholic Church in Northampton and also one near where I lived in NJ (near Piscataway). Both times I almost got tricked until I looked more closely at the sign 😅

[@SheepDogKombatives9604]

The Buffalo New York Catholics now known as the “Bills Mafia”…

[@jg2072]

Thanks for sharing as a Roman Catholic I didn't know this existed.

[@theDUKE25-yt]

Crazy that one step away from the Church you fall into the bottomless abyss very quickly

[@arzhvr9259]

Look at the current pope

[@AL_YZ]

@@arzhvr9259 At this point, these are just currents within the Church. Quite far from denominations or official heresies... yet. Even in the earliest Church period there were conflicting beliefs about a host of things like the nature of Christ or the canon of scripture. As you know the canon took centuries to pin down officially. Aquinas did not subscribe to the Immaculate Conception for instance but that didn't make him a heretic. He's a Saint and a Doctor of the Church in fact. Only much later were the issues settled and official pronouncements of doctrine made. Only when one departs from an officially announced doctrine does one become heretical. . We'll see.

[@Barnabas64]

Roman Catholicism really is remarkable for it's size, age, and conservatism.

[@AL_YZ]

@@vnolan633You misunderstood. If one declares a doctrine contrary to official Church doctrine then you are heretical or simply a bad Catholic. Biden and Pelosi voice pro- abortion positions that are against Church teaching so they are bad Catholics who should not partake of Communion because Communion is a sign of communion or unity with the teachings of the church they profess to part of. Or if a person says that Chist is only human and not divine, then that person is a heretic and a heretic no matter if he calls himself a Catholic because the nature of Christ is a doctrine long ago settled within the Church.He has separated himself from the Church. In fact, some churches such the Oriental Orthodox churches or the Church of the East separated from the Universal church over that question. They were, in the eyes of the Roman catholic church and Eastern Orthodox church, the first Protestant churches. BUT, if there is a doctrine that is not officially declared - for instance, that of Mary and the title of co-redemptrix - there can be a range of opinions about it and there is no heresy involved. Like I mentioned, Church doctrines can take centuries to finalize as in the nature of Christ or the final and official canon of scripture which was finalized in the 4th century.

[@vitawater4259]

As a protestant, my faith is n Christ alone. My salvation is secure on that one biblical truth. Everything else is irrelevant. The pope can say what he wishes. He can state that he is free from error, though whether others agree with him is another matter. The pope is nothing more than a man subject to the same weaknesses and prone to error like the rest of humanity.

[@classicallpvault8251]

The basis for the split was way before the 1700s and was closely intertwined with Dutch politics, and can be traced back to the work of theologian Cornelius Jansen. The main differences to mainstream Catholicism are the teaching of total depravity, irresistible divine grace, and predestination, which is why the Jansenists were being accused of being crypto-Calvinists. It was only 80 years after Jansen's death that the Catholic Church in Utrecht consecrated a bishop without permission from Rome, and this was after decades of Jansenism being actively supported by the Dutch Republic. The Dutch Republic sought to cut loose its Catholic population from papal influence and at the same time the fact that some of the Jansenist theology is closer to Calvinism made them more sympathetic towards it. They didn't gain any real traction though, the vast majority of Roman Catholics in the Netherlands preferred celebrating Mass in clandestine churches and staying in full communion with Rome and were given equal rights to Protestants in 1848.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

Calvinism may not actually qualify as Christianity. it's not just a heresy, it's maltheism.

[@etinarcadiaego3296]

Fascinating slice of history, and brillant presentation as usual, thanks a lot! I think they were also called "la petite Eglise" in French ("the small-or little- Church").

[@fidefidelis4912]

No, "la Petite Église" was another group who rejected Pope Pius VII after the 1801 Concordate with France. Today, they're almost extinct, they have no priest, no obishop, they may be 3000 in the world.

[@lisamoag6548]

yes

[@Cjnw]

Kisegyház

[@texasyojimbo]

I was going to say, the Union of Utrecht sounds a lot like Anglicanism. Not only am I not surprised that they're in full communion with the Anglican Communion, I'm actually a little surprised there hasn't been a full-on merger.

[@Magnulus76]

There are differences in style and churchmanship. Old Catholicism is a High Church movement. It is more like a liberal version of Eastern Orthodoxy. Anglicans, on the other hand, can be low in their churchmanship, and more evangelical. I used to go to an Old Catholic congregation, but it didn't last but a couple of years. In practice, some of these types of churches are more Roman in their theology, it just depends where the clergy came from (many are divorced and/or gay ex-Roman Catholics, and some are women). The particular one I went to was more Roman in its theology, and I was more Orthodox, so it didn't work out perfectly. I was especially shocked by the relative irreverence people had towards the Blessed Sacrament (sadly in keeping with alot of wider Catholic attitudes in the US). But, there were folks with good hearts there, some struggling with serious problems and looking for a loving community. The bishop, who was also the pastor, had some very memorable sermons. I eventually found myself in a Lutheran (ELCA) church and that was a decent compromise. Especially because the pastor had a father that was Eastern Orthodox. He even gave me an icon, and I gave him a prayer rope.

[@xp_studios7804]

Ah, the forgotten strand of high church Protestantism; always been fascinated with them

[@FrKevinDaugherty]

High Church Protestantism would include Anglicans and Lutherans. Old Catholics are a separate tradition.

[@henrybalkwill3276]

@@FrKevinDaughertythey’re not in communion with Rome, therefore they’re Protestant.

[@steveg5453]

@@henrybalkwill3276 really? Are the Orthodox Protestant too?

[@kaiserklausmouse]

So true my friend

[@xp_studios7804]

@@kaiserklausmouse real!

[@FirstNameLastName-is6yb]

Old Catholics are very strange. Some of them now identify with Gnosticism and have gone completly off the rails, some of them are just old fashioned Catholics. Many believe in white and black magic and practice it. They also like to constantly re-ordained people, it's almost a hobby to see how many different times you can be ordained. The spectrum of followers of Old Catholicism are either very very far left or very very far right people, there is seemingly no inbetween, and they all hate each other. Some more conservative old catholics also identify with the heresy called Jansenism, which is a sort of Catholicisiced Calvinism. The beliefs have gone completly out of whack since the first generation of Old Catholics and honestly the name just pays lip service. They are all over the place theologically. I think a video on the Sedevacantist/ Conclavist Cult in Palmer de Troya would be an interesting video topic if you haven't covered it already.

[@harvey1676]

Sounds like the average fitlit/occult discord but in person

[@aaronsomerville2124]

That's interesting... when you said "gnosticism" my first thought was "basically Satanism". Interesting that many of them are witches as well.

[@granmabern5283]

Yes! We had neighbours in the palmar de troya cult. That would be great to see an overview.😮

[@barbwellman6686]

According to Catholic Answers website: "Even though the sacraments of these churches are valid (when performed by a validly ordained priest), they are still illicit, and therefore Catholics should avoid them outside a danger-of-death situation."

[@tedprice5828]

Yes, avoid them or you may become a Christian and miss purgatory.

[@barbwellman6686]

@@tedprice5828 Christ' judgement of 3 of 4 souls as found in Luke 12. One received Hell and two receive purgation: 46The Master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. Then He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47That servant who knows his Master’s Will but does not get ready or follow His instructions will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows.

[@chrisbeer5685]

"outside a danger-of-death situation" Yeah, lol have to avoid the people talking to their invisible sky daddy in slightly the wrong ways at almost all costs.

[@barbwellman6686]

@@chrisbeer5685 As opposed to following your religion of unbelief where random collisions of atoms created humanity and all the components necessary to sustain life.

[@chrisbeer5685]

@@barbwellman6686 I don't have a religion any more than a bold guy has a haircut, and what the hell do you think atoms even are?

[@Jsmith2024]

I love these 2 minute videos. Thank you.

[@lilajagears8317]

I always learn something new watching your videos, thank you.

[@konstantinoschristou3701]

Thank you. May you be well.

[@wolfscott4561]

I used to live in the Las Vegas area and there was a PNCC parish founded there very recently. A priest, Father Adam, was on loan to the Diocese of Las Vegas from the Diocese of Santa Rosa and he went back there once that time was up. However he eventually came back to Vegas, although it was after he had left his parish in Northern California to join the Polish National Catholic Church. Father Adam was really popular with the parishioners at Holy Family Catholic Church where he was previously assigned to and a lot of them followed him to his new schismatic parish. The Bishop of Santa Rosa issued a statement to the Diocese of Las Vegas when he found out about this and it was in the bulletins at my parish for a couple of months.

[@jesusthroughmary]

There is a millstone waiting for that one if he doesn't repent

[@veronica_._._._]

Literally The Cult of Personality. (If he was on first name terms with his parishioners, that sometimes shows a worldly neediness)

[@araceliacebedo3916]

Adam Kotas, right? His videos pop up from time to time in my feed, and some of the Catholic Mexican pages that I follow post about him to warn unsuspecting believers about the fact that he's not in communion.

[@wolfscott4561]

@@araceliacebedo3916 Yes that's him! Apparently he's popular on social media too, especially TikTok. I don't have TikTok so I haven't seen his videos but it's sad that he's in schism and is leading people away from the truth.

[@fmcevoy1]

In one of Garry Wills's books, he wrote that when Papal Infallibility was announced at Vatican I, some cardinals got hysterical. To be fair, that chestnut's only been used once, in 1950, about the BVM's Assumption.

[@getaids7099]

Would be epic if you did a full length

[@imalive4u169]

The woman ordination wouldn't be considered valid by the Catholic Church as a Sacrament. As our Lord Jesus the High Priest Himself the founder of the Church made the Hierarchical Priesthood for men this can't be changed. And of course same sex unions aren't considered valid by the Catholic Church either as marriage is defined and is unchangeable as being between a man and woman in relation to the Sacrament representing our Lord Jesus as the Bridegroom and His Church His Bride. Changing what our Lord established undermines His authority and those that do fall into the ways of the world NOT of God.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

As a Catholic in GA, there aren't any Old Catholic churches in my community, but I would bet they have a bit of a complicated relationship with Rome, considering the first I had heard of any of these groups is when I read the part of my church missal dealing with Holy Communion and one sentence read something like "Members of the Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the *Polish National Catholic Church* are advised to follow their own teachings regarding Communion" (which I find interesting, since Communion is otherwise usually reserved solely for Catholics in good standing with the Church and in a state of grace).

[@tedprice5828]

They need to be in good standing with God, not just the Church.

[@granmabern5283]

@@tedprice5828we all need both.😊

[@brendenporterfield327]

My Church is full of old Catholics. Not the denomination/idea/etc, just Catholics who are old

[@marriage4life893]

That was super interesting. Thanks for the info.

[@steveg5453]

As a member of the Old Catholic Church of the Netherlands (OKKN) I very much appreciate this summary. I would love to hear you speak in more detail on the origins of the Old Catholic movement (especially its relationship to Jansenism and Gallicanism, and its reaction against Ultramontanism), but also an overview of the many Independent Catholic movements that sprang out of, but are not in communion with, the UU churches. Thanks for all your great videos!

[@Damienoos]

I'm interested in the church but do they really accept female priests, that's really unbiblical and a no go also are they gay too?

[@SRC692]

Thanks for these quick videos, I've been wanting to learn some of the basic difference between different denominations

[@godfreyzilla8608]

I'm not self-centered but I thought this video was about people like me. You know - old. Just shows we're never too old to learn a little something.

[@alessandrorossi1294]

I think Anglican Ordinariate refers to something different: Anglican churches that rejoined the Catholic Church and use their liturgical particulars like the Book of Common Prayer during their Catholic Mass

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Watch the video linked at the end of this one to learn more! I don't think your statement and mine disagree with each other.

[@richlopez5896]

@@ReadyToHarvest The Ordinariate is for whole Anglican parishes and even dioceses to return to the Catholic Church while maintaining their liturgy and traditions. They DO accept ALL Catholic doctrines. They use the 'Divine Worship' book for their Masses which was created specifically for the Ordinariate.

[@richlopez5896]

@YAJUN YUAN In union with the Bishop of Rome. “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?”- St. Cyprian of Carthage (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).

[@ReadyToHarvest]

@YAJUNYUAN Anglicans and Old Catholics are welcome to participate fully in each other’s worship and receive communion at celebrations of the Eucharist; clergy may act fully in each other’s churches. www.anglicancommunion.org/ecumenism/churches-in-communion.aspx

[@ReadyToHarvest]

@@richlopez5896 Agreed. Watch my video on the ordinariates. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqXPgaSvpZeEbtU

[@atmalewis1513]

This is great, just the information I've been looking for. I am a recent member of an Anglican church (Anglican Province of America) that is a continuation of Old Catholics. I did not understand what our priest and Bishop was meaning by this, and they mentioned the communion with Utrecht. Now, I understand what they meant.

[@simonkraemer3725]

Interesting! Maybe I go to an old-catholic mass next sunday to see what they’re up to

[@CallemJayNZ]

@Readytoharvest Have you done a video on the society of Pius X?

[@toranshaw4029]

I'd be interested to see a video on the Liberal Catholic Church group of denominations.

[@FirstNameLastName-is6yb]

"Liberal Catholics are the worst enemies of the Church" -Blessed Pope Pius IX

[@richardsaintjohn8391]

@@FirstNameLastName-is6yb the Liberal Catholic Church is more traditional than novus Ordo. No water down liturgy.

[@yunaru3643]

​​@@richardsaintjohn8391 Might as well spit on your bishop with that kind of remark. You really saying ordaining women is traditional?

[@andridefian]

​@@richardsaintjohn8391 but not as traditional as Roman Missae Tridentina or known as TLM

[@mikekennedy8501]

Look in book of Revelation The Laodecian church Thst Jesus spews out of his mouth

[@Marist_Chanel]

I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few decades the Sedevacantists join them.

[@CatholicTraditional]

The Sedes won’t join the Old Catholics, because the former believe in Papal Infallibility and Primacy, but they generally believe there hasn’t been a true Pope since Pius XII died in 1958.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

That's a crazy take. The Sedes are ultra-Catholic; these OId Catholic guys would fit right in with Pope Francis and the pedo brigade.

[@Marist_Chanel]

@@aaronsomerville2124 the Sedes are as Protestant as the Old Catholic’s.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

@@Marist_Chanel I'm not a sede, but I find that to be an arrogant and stupid thing to say. There's no doubt that Bergoglio is a Satanic witch and an apostate from the Catholic faith. I guess you'll probably burn in Hell with him in the end.

[@Marist_Chanel]

@@aaronsomerville2124 I’m no fan of Pope Francis but I trust the Lord knows what He’s doing. The only one who would want us to attack the Holy Father is the devil himself, no one else. We must not fall for his lies. We have two choices, stay in Noah’s ark even though it stinks or leave the ark and perish in the flood. The choice is yours.

[@patricksykes_78]

This was explained well. Thank you.

[@gottliebgrubber92]

Can you do a video on the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary that founded by Mother Basilea Schlinck ? It is a Evangelical Monastic movement after the World War II. Thank you🙏🏼 and they have convents all over the world also they have a male counterpart called: Evangelische Kanaan Franziskus-Bruderschaft (Kanaan Franciscan Brothers).

[@charleshappold4637]

There are several religious communities within Lutheranism, including the Benedictine order of Lutheran monks at St Augustine's House and several Franciscan orders of nuns both in North America [Sisterhood of Mary in Arizona] and Europe

[@faithlesshound5621]

Don't forget the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence!

[@gottliebgrubber92]

@@faithlesshound5621 hahahahahahaha

[@charleshappold4637]

Another example of Old Catholic relationships with other Christians is that the Union of Utrecht is in full communion with Anglicans and the Church of Sweden, and the Church of Denmark [Lutherans].

[@valentinr.dominguez2892]

There is no "communion" when rhe theology is so different.

[@brady1407]

Small clarification: The 11 Great Principles of the PNCC can be construed to support universalism, and the author of them was a universalist, however, the PNCC catechism articulates the view in full, that it merely teaches that all souls end up on the same *place*, but experience it vastly differently, in other words, Heaven and Hell differ only in the perception.

[@williamterrill4384]

Well they don't have apostolic succession and they don't have valid holy orders so therefore they can't have valid sacraments

[@charlesallan6978]

Old Catholics include invoices itemizing their sins, with their monthly direct deposits to the Church, from a newly created Indulgences price list that is available upon request.

[@DUZCO10]

Different groups have come and go but there's always been one which the gates of hedes shall never prevail against it. Jesus founded one church with Peter as His steward.

[@lapensulo4684]

About 25 years ago I met an Old Catholic.

[@knightshade2654]

The PNCC sounds deeply fascinating. The very traditional loyalty to the scripture combined with hopes of universal salvation are positions that I greatly emphasize with.

[@alanhowe1455]

Universal salvation is a heresy.

[@thyikmnnnn]

@@alanhowe1455 Not only is it permitted but it is required that every Christian hope for Universal salvation.

[@alanhowe1455]

@@thyikmnnnn I wouldn't put it like that. We can certainly pray for the salvation of all those we encounter and/or pray for. However, the Bible is clear that Universal Salvation is not going to happen. I'm pretty sure, for example, that Judas Iscariot was lost, so even one reprobate negates any notion that all will be saved.

[@thyikmnnnn]

@@alanhowe1455 Whether you think it will happen or won't is irrelevant to my comment. it is God's will and we should aim to be in conformity with the will of God.

[@alanhowe1455]

@@thyikmnnnn It isn't God's will. We clearly don't agree, so there's no point in pursuing this exchange. I won't be replying to any further post.

[@pipsasqeak820]

And apparently the Union of Utrecht is in communion with the Church of England (Anglican) and the PNCC is Scranton are in union with North American Anglican (conservative break away anglo catholics)

[@TaylorJohnson1]

Traditional Latin Mass is so beautiful.

[@vitawater4259]

If you can understand it, great.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

@@vitawater4259 Why do you need to understand it? Mass is not Bible study and it's not "meeting". Mass is worshipping God. The new mass might be appealing to aging German and Italian homosexuals but the Latin Mass is appealing to people who love God.

[@holyfamilycrusader3512]

@@vitawater4259 depends on what you mean by “understand.” That’s a very nuanced topic to talk about

[@vitawater4259]

@@aaronsomerville2124 How can you understand the worship of God if it is used in a dead language?

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

I remember Latin and Polish mass from my childhood. I took 4 years of Latin in high school so I could understand what was being said. Then they went to English! I still enjoy Polish mass.

[@anthonydecastro6938]

the episcopal ordination of Old Catholic bishops may not be licit, but they are valid... there is a recognition of the apostolic succession here as operative still in the Old Catholics...

[@tomaszmagierowski2166]

Thanks for doing my suggestion! 👍

[@davidw.5185]

There is definitely a difference between Catholic and catholic. Personally I gravitate toward evangelical catholic, or what Rome calls Lutheranism. Not the fake Lutheranism that has gone woke and or theologically and politically progressive, but the real evangelical catholicism of the Book of Concord. Thank you for this video. Well done.

[@susandelongis885]

There is an Old Catholic church in Laguna Beach, CA

[@ibji]

And really Old Catholics had to walk to church up hill, in the snow, both ways.

[@american_byways]

... with a baked potato in our pockets

[@bearnurse1]

There is a denomination called the North American Old Roman Catholic Church which is very conservative they are somehow connected to Utrecht

[@BoogityBoogityBoogity-nx9gy]

As a Roman orthodox Catholic, I’ve never heard of these churches. A video detailing the SSPX church (which separated after Vatican II) would be interesting

[@ab-fi6ks]

SSPX is not a different church friend.

[@valentinr.dominguez2892]

The SSPX did not separate from the Catholic Church.

[@Hollyfilly]

I see a lot of sweeping, generalized comments in the comments below (not a commentary on the video). Each Old Catholic church has its own jurisdiction. Please criticize them individually.

[@ivoryvr]

I'm an episcopalian and work at an old catholic church.

[@ByzAsian45]

I thought the old catholic means going back to 300 AD churches, but its not

[@johnscanlan9335]

I very much want to know everything I can about the Polish Scranton Church!

[@pendragnx]

fascinating.. I've never heard of this before

[@specialteams28]

Sounds like Old Catholics have more in common with Protestants. Good video

[@richardbaranzini8805]

They have a presence in Phoenix, AZ ,(Cana in the Desert,)

[@tedprice5828]

Yes , they are Christians too.

[@Anton-ke1ni]

Well, they are protestants.

[@Magnulus76]

They are more like liberal Eastern Orthodox. Their theology is based on patristic resourcement.

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

I attend the Polish National Catholic Church occasionally.

[@junesilvermanb2979]

The Polish National Catholic Church (PNCC) is an independent Old Catholic church based in the United States and founded by Polish-Americans. The PNCC is not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church. Since 2004, the PNCC is no longer in communion with the Union of Utrecht. The organisation is now part of the Union of Scranton. The church has around 26,000 members in five dioceses in the United States and Canada. The five dioceses are Buffalo-Pittsburgh, Central, Eastern, Western and Canada.

[@paulthiele3102]

How does this make it any different from Lutheranism? Sounds identical to me.

[@junesilvermanb2979]

Lutherans believe in Salvation By Faith Alone. Old Catholics believe in Salvation By Faith And Works.

[@knightshade2654]

Are Lutherans really this close to Catholics? These churches sound more Anglican to me, aside from what June mentioned about Sola scriptura.

[@charleshappold4637]

@@knightshade2654 Agree, and interesting that Old Catholics are in full communion with Anglicans and some Lutherans

[@tedprice5828]

Yes, they are Christians too, real Christians.

[@lesterro2533]

Lutherans don't pray to Mary and Angels - Old Catholics do

[@padrejailsonrodriguesrodri3195]

Muito bom seu conteúdo. Parabéns. Sou da Igreja Vétero Católica no Brasil. Aqui no Brasil. Temos uma longa história.

[@deus_vult8111]

So in other words they became Protestant.

[@josephdemary4048]

The Old Catholics reminds me of the Orthodoxes.

[@steveg5453]

In the last hundred years there have been concerted efforts to work with the Orthodox and reach communion. But as we (Old Catholics) have developed our views on women in the priesthood and the issue of homosexuality, communion with the orthodox seems far off.

[@RGWerd83]

Old Catholics: “I don’t acknowledge the primacy of the Pope or this councils rules…” Also Old Catholics: “Hey, I have an idea. Let’s hold a council and make some new rules”…

[@PokerMonkey]

The Orthodox Church has pretty much the same exact Doctrines and Sacraments as the Catholic Church. As a Catholic, I see the Orthodox as more separated by a Political issue. Jesus created One Church, and in 107AD, one of his Bishops, St. Ignatius of Antioch, wrote a letter calling it "Catholic" or Universal. Protestant Churches on the other hand, are all Man made, with False, man made doctrines such as "Bible Alone", "Faith Alone", and "Once Saved Always Saved". The Orthodox Church did not create the Bible. There was No Bible prior to the late 4th Century when Pope Damasus I and the other Bishops of the Church held the Council of Rome in 382AD and Authoritatively decided the 27 book canon of the New Testament out of over 200 books that were being read and debated, as the Catholic Church always has done when there was a disagreement or controversy. It Authoritatively held a Council to make a decision. After the 27 book NT was created, it was placed with the 46 books of the OT and then we had a Bible. Who then painstakingly copied the Bible for over 1000 more years, by hand, sometimes taking up to 3 years for each one? Well it wasn't Orthodox or Protestant Monks. It was Catholic Monks who did so until 1455 when the printing press came along. What was the first book printed by Gutenberg ? That's right, the 73 book Catholic Bible, not the 66 book King James Bible. Sounds to me like "Old Catholics" are just another Protestant denomination, and makes up its own doctrines, like the insanity of Same Sex marriage and the other nonsense you listed.

[@EricA-xd9fn]

Nice explanation. Old Catholics...kinda the RC Cola to the Roman Catholic Church Coke. Not so bad, but hard to find in stock.

[@st.mephisto8564]

Do one for the Liberal Catholic Church

[@MegaMackproductions]

>leaves church >Allows for Female priests, Divorce, Married priests and homosexuality. Dang...

[@steveg5453]

Dang indeed. How awful to attempt to develop our own consciences on these matters through long and prayerful consideration of scripture, the church fathers, and the undisputed ecumenical councils, without the imposition of dogma from above. It’s misleading to say that we left the church: our roots lie in an attempt to understand how to be Catholic in a changing world, and that forced us in a different direction from the RCC who, in the 18th and 19th centuries when we emerged, was considerably more viciously authoritarian than she is now. For what it’s worth, we retain genuine affection for her, and we continue to honour the bishop of Rome and recognise his primacy in the western church. It would be wonderful if, instead of looking for issues to get hung up on (and let’s face it, they are, tediously, always the same things) we looked to ways we could build one another up and support each other’s mission in the world.

[@MegaMackproductions]

@steveg5453 sins and heresy are not hang-ups. The world changes, the church should not. Because it is in the world, not of it. And yes, you left the church.

[@steveg5453]

@@MegaMackproductions I didn’t say sins and heresies were merely hang ups but that we shouldn’t let other people’s sins become hang ups that stop us reaching out to one another in love. Pretty sure that’s what Jesus did and therefore what Christians ought to do.

[@thetraditionalist]

interesting, never heard of them

[@andrewhildner]

Id be interested in learning more about the Palmarian catholic church

[@maggyinahat]

I really feel like these churches, their clergy, and their lay people, would all be best served by returning to the Orthodoxy in some form. It's the only way to return to a truly Apostolic Church.

[@jimreadey2743]

Great content and narrative! If you would be so kind, though, please tell me why you pronounce *the* and *a* as "thee" and "aye".... It sounds strange to my ears, and I never hear anyone use these pronunciations in everyday conversation. (It seems like an emphasis of each noun that follows -- kind of akin to someone TYPING IN ALL CAPS.)

[@keithsy75]

I am Episcopalian and I worship Old Catholic.

[@d.h.5407]

I find it interesting that a protestant comments on the protestant fracturing that continues within Catholicism. On a different note, it seems that you equated universal jurisdiction with infallibility. Writings on papal universal jurisdiction goes back to Clement of Rome (3rd pope after Peter the Apostle). Of course, Eliakim (Is22) is the priestly chief steward, who acts in the king’s place, is the type for Peter, chief Apostle.

[@tedprice5828]

They must be Christians then, not Catholics

[@boldorbroken]

If I may ask with all respect, what is your denomination?

[@rae0521]

If find it utterly fascinating to watch as millions of "believers" grapple with completely fabricated notions as if they were some kind of fact.

[@tzadiko]

Never heard of any of this and I thought I was well informed

[@sysamanthahopeang6268]

Im a roman Catholic and this is first time i heard this. So cool

[@lakiro1488]

Hi. Educational. Please cover holy orders in Catholic

[@johnrigler8858]

What? Isn't the pope inflammable?

[@bbseal6174]

Theres many of these 'old catholic' churches in the spanish and portugese speaking worlds

[@rhosymedra6628]

Really interesting! I'd love to see a video about modern day various pretender/alt popes - I can really fall down a wikipedia rabbit hole reading about them. There's one guy who calls himself the Papa Catholicos Rutherford I who seems to have some just really out there and strange beliefs.

[@AccordionJoe1]

The Roman Catholic Church was indeed the first Christian church. But, over the centuries, it has gotten wealthy and powerful and with wealth and power comes corruption of all kinds. This is why Luther and others left the church. If anyone should claim the mantle of Christ's real church, it i the Old Catholics.

[@reelDonaldTrumpExperience]

is there a two-faced PRINCIPLE behind "Old Catholics"? Why would they have a problem with Papal doctrine of infallibility but no issue with Unam Sanctum?

[@reelDonaldTrumpExperience]

I have gone through the fraud that is called Protestantism, they are equal guilty hypocrites they accuse Catholic Church and Pope, they are humanists that use the bible to deceive instead of Catechism. When you realize the fraud between the two it is open season, they both persecute

[@willlanger4291]

Well, even protestant churches will claim to be Unam Sanctam Catholicam Ecclesiam, just as the Orthodox do as well (Oriental and Eastern Divisions.) For example high church protestants will still use the Apostles or Nicene Creed to declare this, but put heavy disclaimers not claiming to be the Catholic church, but universal church as Catholic means. Funnily enough, the Old Catholic churches claim communion with the broader Anglican communion as well, which is yet another claimant to the title of Unam Sanctam.

[@joshuakarr-BibleMan]

Hope of universal salvation is such an eggcorn! We have universal hope of salvation, but must individually accept the Gospel in order to receive it. It can be frustrating when people misconstrue a concept and then start a schism over their mistake.

[@erichort4898]

It is not what we call ourselves it is what God calls us.when we love trust and obey His law. He gives us a new name for for heaven and the world to come

[@kayedal-haddad]

How do Old Catholics differ from Trads?

[@junesilvermanb2979]

Old Catholics do not believe in Papal infallibility.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

A lot of Traditionalists are either still in communion with Rome and recognize the Pope, or they stopped recognizing the Pope around the _Second_ Vatican Council (1962-65). Traditionalists are not part of the Union of Utrecht or the Union of Scranton and generally tend to hold Mass exclusivley in Latin.

[@Marist_Chanel]

Trads believe in Papal Infallibility, Old Catholic’s don’t.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

@@Marist_Chanel The First Vatican Council (where papal infallibility was the main issue) was the major diverging point between Old Catholics and Catholics in communion with Rome/Traditionalists. Since the Traditionalists largely diverged around the Second Vatican Council (90 or so years later), it seems logical that they would hold to the decisions of the First Vatican Council.

[@wolfscott4561]

Most Old Catolics (other than the PNCC maybe) are anything but traditional.

[@deepakkumar-bq5bp]

Hi, make video on Roman catholic vs palmarian church

[@tedprice5828]

Sensibility at last. Conversion, not convergence. Jesus said to Nichodemus, “You must be born again to even see the Kingdom of Heaven. That is why Catholics do not understand the Gospel. It took Martin Luther to tell them but they still do not get it. It is not about being infused with a substance called grace but about Receiving Christ’s grace into your whole being and the forgiveness of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit as a seal. At least that is what the Bible says, not the Pope.

[@jarrod2276]

Watch this space to see how they will split more ... sounds like they're just newer versions of protestants

[@Melissa0774]

Do they have nuns or sisters and do they live in convents or on their own?

[@wolfscott4561]

I know that some schismatic Catholic churches have nuns so it wouldn't surprise me

[@Melissa0774]

@@wolfscott4561 schismatic? How many different types of Catholism are there? I didn't even know the ones in this video existed, and you're telling me there are even more?

[@willlanger4291]

Oddly enough, they do - they appear to be Benedictine ones, some of them maintain the pre schismatic Marian devotion of Catholic spiritual life.

[@Melissa0774]

@@willlanger4291 What does that mean, that their lifestyle is more strict and regimented, or less?

[@ptaah9215]

I wonder if there is some "middle ground" Old Catholic church or Orthodox Church, in the middle of liberalism and conservatism, like a church which accepts contraception and gay marriage, but does not allow the ordination of women

[@ElasticGiraffe]

The Orthodox Church and the Polish National Catholic Church seem to share a great deal in common.

[@titob.yotokojr.9337]

They maybe "old" but they are definitely not "Catholic" (which means "universal") because they exist only in a few places.

[@Wiz_Loo]

I am sick and tired of heretics. So many heretics now a days. Jesus started on church and it is the one holy catholic and apostolic church with the Pope being christ representative on earth.

[@malcolmmarshall4371]

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (Ephisen chapter 1

[@jamesparson]

Interesting

[@Duck-wc9de]

I grew up in rural Portugal. When I was 16 I was like: Wait a second, there is more than 1 church? Here "the church" literally means the concept of catholic church. Im atheist, so it never actually bothered me, but it was kinda weird realizing that were more ways of liking Jesus. And now, despite being an adult, I sometimes walk in front of a protestant church and I'm amazed by the fact that it is also a church. Like, here all churches look the same, pius, lots of Marys, bells, white, granite, and gold above the blue.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Back when people cared it would generally be taken for granted that there is only one church and many imposters. In the same way as communists will say there are only one type of communists and many traitors to the vision, and the same with many other theological groups which people are still impassioned about.

[@felixweinlinger]

The union of Scranton sounds like if Dwight from the office formed a Christian domination

[@valentinr.dominguez2892]

Dwight wasn't religious.

[@felixweinlinger]

@@valentinr.dominguez2892 I imagine he still would have done it to get some money out of it.

[@valentinr.dominguez2892]

@@felixweinlinger Dwight never came across as greedy.

[@paolotorres8537]

Hold on, Old Catholics are about sticking to their doctrine, but bless same-sex marriages and allow women’s ordination? Doesn’t sound very “old” to me.