OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC & INTERSLAVIC

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[@519forestmonk9]

As a Russian Orthodox choir conductor and solo cantor, I enjoyed this.

[@dalubwikaan161]

me too

[@519forestmonk9]

@@niggaz666 Нет, не существует. To есть в современном русском языке.

[@ndrechtseiter]

​​@@519forestmonk9В праславянском и церковнославянском (средневековом) носовые гласные были. Сейчас, в современном русском изводе церковнославянского, носовые исчезли. Также, носовые гласные исчезли во всех современных славянских языках, кроме некоторых лехитских (того же польского).

[@isadanjan4762]

@@ndrechtseiterв русском языке от церковнославянских только 15000 слов, но не основной запас в русском языке- я на всякий случай добавлю чтобы не писали умники что церковный составил базу русскому.

[@prekarketiperi]

Vo jordanie kreshtayushtusya tebe, Gospodi, troicheskoe yavisya poklonenie. Roditelev bo glas svidetel'stvovashe tebe, vozlyublenago tya Sina imenuya, i Duh' vo vide golubine, izvestvovashe slovese utverzhdenie. Yavleysya Hriste Bozhe, i mir prosveshtey, slava tebe.

[@PolishSound]

Why does this Old Slavonic sound like that? Because it was read by a Pole, that is me. I have a presentation of Old Polish and dialectal texts. Please tell me, especially if you are not Slavic, how does it sound to you compared to other languages like Italian, French, Russian, Czech? Sorry for the so long "iers" in several places. My mistake. We do not know exactly how it sounded (we only know the approximate notation and accents, and the melody of the whole sentence will remain a secret, as in any language from the old days), it probably did not sound the same everywhere. He was also present in medieval Poland in Krakow. that's why it's worth listening to different Slavs from time to time. Each is beautiful. Above, I try to reconstruct, based on the sound of the dialects of Lesser Poland, how it might have sounded in Krakow. I cordially greet you all.

[@sempreviva4564]

Well done 👍🏻 From 🇷🇺

[@martinottoman3179]

Historically, Church Slavonic was influenced by slavs who used it. Almost every slavic nation had it's own variation, called izvod. I heard some differences between this version of the Lord's prayer and a version, which is used in Russia, for example we say "i ostávi (instead of "odpusti") nam dólhi náša", jáko i mý ostavljajemŏ (instead of "odpuščajem") dolžnikóm nášym". There are also some differences, but I think it's not crucial, because of all language and religion variations

[@PolishSound]

@@Plopi96ILuvPigeons Thank you.

[@ruralsquirrel5158]

Why not ask an Orthodox priest or monk to help with the pronunciation?

[@PolishSound]

@@ruralsquirrel5158 Because Their pronunciation is not OCS.

[@titov5773]

Please, make a comparison of all the Ugric languages, Khanty, Mansi and Hungarians!🦌🐻🇭🇺

[@titov5773]

Let's vote who wants to see the comparison of the Ugrian languages.

[@peatta]

They did but only Khanti and Hungarian

[@titov5773]

@@peatta Please, throw the link if you can.

[@alexstorm2749]

I enjoyed listening the Old Slavonic speaker. He did a great job. It feels like he has a formidable voice and powerful intonation. There were certain moments when I could hear his Polish accent. Greetings from 🇷🇺🪆

Thanks for that Andy! I may have pronounced šest wrong as "šyst" but everything else looks fine (not perfect but good enough), I will need to correct this. I may sound crazy for saying this😅 but you can do a comparison of constructed languages of Esperanto, Interslavic and Toki Pona (if you found a Toki Pona speaker)

[@heisenberg6317]

only šest? you know thats not everything, right?

[@PolishSound]

Yes, thanks for Andy :)

@@PolishSound prawda, także zrobiłeś dobrą robotę 😊

[@PolishSound]

@ Nawzajem :)

[@heisenberg6317]

@@Turagrong I'd love to ask, what slavic language do you speak?

[@at-someone]

I know Polish (native) and Russian on a basic level. I could easily understand both

[@prekarketiperi]

Vo jordanie kreshtayushtusya tebe, Gospodi, troicheskoe yavisya poklonenie. Roditelev bo glas svidetel'stvovashe tebe, vozlyublenago tya Sina imenuya, i Duh' vo vide golubine, izvestvovashe slovese utverzhdenie. Yavleysya Hriste Bozhe, i mir prosveshtey, slava tebe.

[@utvpoop]

Thanks for using an updated OCS voice narration! Now, I believe, it's much closer to what it used to be in the past. By the way, nowadays Russian Orthodox Church Slavonic is hugely influenced by the modern Russian language in terms of pronunciation. Listen to Patriarch Kirill in any of the liturgies, for example.

[@187Rajah]

Sounds not so good, especially church - slavonic, pronounsation is incorrect

[@andrebyche31]

@@187Rajah well, slavonic nowaday has own types in each church, so there's Russia izvod for slavonic

[@tarelochka_borscha]

i'm russian and understand both version._. my family prays like this, but with russian accent:D

[@sempreviva4564]

Сравните русский и английский: нос - nose, бровь - brow, стоять - stand, быть - be, два - two, три - three, щека - cheek, пламя - flame, матерь - mother, сестра - sister, брат - brother, сын - son, кот - cat, дело - deal, струна - string, бить - beat, cold - холод, юный - young, волк - wolf, сидеть - sit, свинья - swine, гусь - goose, вдова - widow, стремнина - stream, стойло - stall, борода - beard, снег - snow и так далее.

[@HeroManNick132]

''Brat'' is a false friend btw.

[@HeroManNick132]

In Bulgarian: нос - nose стоя - to stand две/два - two три - three пламък/пламен - flame вълк - wolf седя - sit свиня - swine гъсок - goose дело - deal струна - string бия/бийт - beat cold - студ/хлад брада - beard сняг/снег (Western dialect) - snow син - son кот (archaic) - cat матер (archaic) - mother бъди - be (false friend with ''buddy'') вдова (archaic) - widow щанд - stand юношески - young

[@aboba5995]

1) Flame - латинизм в английском. Пламя - славянизм в русском, поломя - исконный русизм. Даже так латинское слово (< *bʰel-) и русское (< *pleh₁-) не когнаты. 2) Cold = голоть < PIE: *gel-. *xoldъ из-за проблематичного *x- пока не этимологизировано. Тем не менее я думаю скорее всего от s-мобильного *sḱelh- "морозить" (*ḱelh- "морозить"). */sk/ рефлексируется как */x/: *skwoyos > *xvojь "хвой", поэтому могу накатать: *sḱoldʰos >*skoldos > *xoldъ. 3) Юный - славянизм, уной - русизм. 4) Cheek = жевать < PIE: *ǵyewh₁-. Щека пока не этимологизирована. 5) Bone = бить < PIE: *bʰeyh₂-. Beat < PIE: *bʰewd-. 6) Струна и string пока не этимологизированы.

[@MajedSalih]

Те же сравнения можно провести и с Арабским языком, с латинским и всеми их производными-подвидами. Земля вначале заселения людьми имела всего лишь 2 языка : Севрно-восточный "Фаетоновский", и южно-западный "Сайгонский". Поэтому эти языки (Славянский, Арабский и его источники "Ассирийские, Иврит, Аккадские...", Латинский и Фриджиский-Германский.....) никогда не пересекаются с Азиатскими языками (Китайский, японский, микронезийские языки....) , которые являются результатом заселения другого вида людей после войны 20тысяч лет тому назад, после истребления Лемурийцев.

[@wairor7490]

​@@MajedSalihэто ты рофлишь, или на полном серьёзе говоришь?

[@AllanLimosin]

Very good idea!

[@lukalisjak2106]

The pronounciation of Old Church Slavonic is off. The speaker got the stress off, probably influenced by his native (West Slavic, probably Czech or Slovak) language.

[@avtandil]

But still better than in previous OCS video, as the nasals and yers are preserved.

[@thegodoftheworl]

The accent sounds Polish

[@TheTytan007]

He's reading it with the strong old Polish accent

[@PolishSound]

@@avtandil Jery zostaly przeczytane w kilku miejscach zbyt długo. A poza tym: najpopularniejsza dziś (rownież wsrod poludniowych Slowian) wymowa wschodnia, wcale nie jest kanoniczną ani jexyną właściwą. Wszystkie są piękne! Pozdrawiam :)

[@avtandil]

@@PolishSound w niektórych miejscach owszem, ale i tak jest nieźle :) oryginalnego brzmienia i tak pewnie nigdy nie odtworzymy idealnie. Co do wymowy wschodniej, tak rozpowszechnionej, to ja bym mimo wszystko przyjął założenie, że jest to już bardziej język cerkiewnosłowiański, z późniejszej fazy rozwoju, który rzeczywiście miał już kilka redakcji regionalnych, równie uprawomocnionych. Natomiast jeśli mówi się o SCS, to optymalnie byłoby chyba nie wprowadzać zmian fonetycznych późniejszych o kilka wieków - choć wiem, że to raczej rzadko spotykane, szczególnie w nagraniach ;) Również pozdrawiam!

[@Davlavi]

Really cool thanks.

[@HiimIny]

this is amazing! thanks for the video :D

[@hakikson2014]

Can you do "the wren" with the goranic language (našinski) that is spoken in parts of Albania and Kosovo?

[@andrebyche31]

You'll better also use cyrillic script in Old Church Slavonic in order to show the nasal sounds ę By the way, how do you know to pronounce the word 'bread' , where there is options 'hlěb' and 'hlib' ?

[@AnarXian]

Meh. Those differences are dialectic. Be grateful the vowel sounds are written.

[@Derzkiy_Paulo]

Interslavic is the only one international language that I understand 95% (slovio , esperanto etc. only 50%) . In fact, this is Russian with "wrong" accents.Well done creators!

[@heisenberg6317]

Believe me, its not. Medžuslovjansky jazyk and русский язык are two different languages

[@karapetrov-ic]

@@heisenberg6317I think every speaker of a Slavic language has the same feeling. To me it sounds like a foreigner trying to speak Serbian.

[@heisenberg6317]

@@karapetrov-ic he said Russian, that's different. It sounds a little bit like Serbo-Croatian languages, but definitely not Russian -someone who speak Russian

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@heisenberg6317 Croatian and Serbian are different languages.

[@tialk3064]

​@@heisenberg6317 Do you speak Russian?

[@dalubwikaan161]

Wishing interslavic has reach more slavs and become a lingua franca to all slavs.

[@gobbleguk]

Nice!!

[@user-Erimej]

The Church Slavonic has played the exact same role as the Interslavic language since Medieval times. I honestly don't get it why We made the Interslavic language in the first place

[@EdMcF1]

To update it and to better represent a comprehensible 'average' of the Slavic languages, so I understand.

[@guernica5413]

Now you need to do Interlingua and Latin

[@modmaker7617]

If Folkspraak was completed, then Folkspraak and Proto-Germanic.

[@andrebyche31]

New Lingua Franca too

[@deiga7787]

@@modmaker7617 Romance Neolatino (or just "Neolatin") is considered to be the "official" Romance language counterpart of Interslavic, meaning, Neolatin is a real zonal auxiliary language specifically and only for Romance languages. There are samples of Neolatin on my channel.

[@philomelodia]

Interlingua is an abomination. An oversimplified abomination. It’s not as nicely constructed as inter-Slavic. The flavor of our languages was not respected. There is no conjugation of verbs. There is no mood and no tense in a way that a romance language speaker would understand such things. There is no gender. Just a very soulless language with vocabulary we can understand. Good for trade or maybe academic stuff. Perhaps the news. You can’t make love in that language. You can’t write poetry in it and actually make it sound properly beautiful. I can’t imagine laughing in that language.

[@pcenero]

Vulgar Latin split centuries earlier than the Slavic languages which meant there's a lot less in common between the branches.

[@JeanMarieDuchesne]

I am learning Russian but also Old Church Slavonic for praying. I don't think there is use for interslavic since Slavonic exists.

[@Hamzachebbi137]

Nice video ❤️💪💪

[@jaydengreenberg9618]

Can you compare Old Church Slavonic and Interslavic to Proto-Slavic

[@MajedSalih]

I can understand both 100% because i speak Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and a little Serbian, Bulgarian. Slavonic sounds like Polish and Serbian a lot, especially the numbers. Interslavic sounds like Ukrainian and Slovenian. Both languages overleap in todays Polish, Serbian, Ukrainian and Slovenian. Both languages have words combined in today's Russian. The mystery of this is, none of them sounded like Russian (the pronunciation).

[@AnarXian]

The mystery is What separated us?

[@pablomarques3684]

Luwian & Hittite please

[@leonardoschiavelli6478]

Interslavic, the true heir of OCS.

[@pawelsz007locp]

What? No. More like heir of Proto-Slavic

[@chrisamies2141]

I've seen it described as that - "A continuation of Old Church Slavonic." Not quite so keen on it having cases and other such grammatical structures - Interlingua ("a continuation of Latin") doesn't.

[@pawelsz007locp]

@@chrisamies2141 but how can it be a continuation of Old Church Slavonic when the language was a dialect (at the time) of some south slavic tribes of the Byzantine Empire or genrally that area, the dialect which was different from dialects of the west, north, etc.

[@legacyofbast]

Now I understand why modern Russian sounds like this, it was influenced by Church Slavonic.

[@japaneseapoist286]

Is there the word 'kacap" also in Interslavic? I use this word everyday in Polish.

[@ahG7na4]

do you raise a clenched fist to the sky, too? oh well, everyone needs something to get them through the day

[@HeroManNick132]

Which means ''butcher?''

[@MajedSalih]

@@HeroManNick132 Which means a 1000 in Russian lol

[@radopiemo]

Не, есть только "hohlodav"

[@fueyo2229]

Old Church Slavonic the first Conlang

[@Slawny_luziski_Wojak]

Serbšćina💗mjezysłowjanšćina 💪

[@bartlomiejsosnowski4840]

SIŁA 🇵🇱🔵🔴⚪ 💪

[@aktepy]

Познавательно

[@YuutaShinjou113]

Now do Interslavic vs. Proto-Slavic

[@OKdesuka]

Im polish and i can understand this quite well

[@japaneseapoist286]

Unfortunately interslavic lost imperfect tense and dual number, and the nasal vowel. However, old polish has everything.

[@user-uu4kz8sr5i]

Разве долги и грехи это не разные вещи?

[@patrycjakonieczna]

I am Polish I understand this.❤

[@PolishSound]

Lektor OCS też jest Polakiem i kilka błędów zrobił ;) A u mnie są również polskie dialekty.

[@patrycjakonieczna]

@@PolishSound Bo mało Polaków jest prawosławnych i zna ocs, musiałby ktoś go poduczyć. Na tym kanale jest jeden podstawowy błąd, że autor nie rozróżnia dialektów od języków i to jest mylące. Czytałam komentarze pod kilkoma filmikami i wielu obcokrajowców nie wie, że np. Kaszubski i góralski to różne dialekty polskiego, a język polski na kanale to wersja standardowa poprawna.

[@PolishSound]

@@patrycjakonieczna Prawosławni też czesto nie znają OCS, i równie często mylą go z CS. I na tej podstawie pouczają innych że źle wymawiają bo u nich w cerkwii wymawia się inaczej. Ale wymowa z cerkwii to nie wymowa OCS. Wymowa OCS była różna w różnych rejonach. Z punktu widzenia lingwistycznego dialekty są rodzajami języków

[@patrycjakonieczna]

@@PolishSound warto to podkreślić, że jednak to dialekty jednego języka, nie zupełnie inne, nowe języki. O ile taki kaszubski czy śląski mogą pretendować do miana osobnego języka, bo za bardzo się wymieszały z niemieckim, o co walczą aktywiści, to np. dialekt małopolski, wiele nie odbiega od standardu, choć poszczególne gwary już są zróżnicowane (redukcja długich samogłosek i dyftongów, seplenienie, zaciąganie, itd.). Dla obcokrajowca różnica nie jest dostrzegalna, ale my ją słyszymy.

[@PolishSound]

@@patrycjakonieczna że śląskim zgoda. jest on bardzo podobny do gwar małopolskich, tylko ilość nieczyzmów go wyróżnia. Jest gwarą. W kaszubskim jednak nie niemczyzny ale cechy rodzime decydują o odrębności. Dopiero przez kontakt kaszubski upodabnia się do polskiego. U mniy na kennale są materiały staropolskie i gwarowe. Pozdrawiam

[@karolerdmanski3082]

If you want to find out if someone speaks a Slavic language, just ask them to count to 10 or say "water"

[@DmitriyNeizvestniy]

Разве старославянский писался на латинице? Первая славянская письменность было найдена в 8 веке на кириллице

[@gyara7329]

How do native slavic people feel about Interslavic?

[@modmaker7617]

As a native Polish Slavic speaker. I love this video.

As a Pole and Belarusian, strongly positive feeling 👍

[@alexstorm2749]

As a Russian person - I love Interslavic and the whole concept of it.

[@BazedSlavaryan]

As a russian I feel like we should just learn proto slavic instead of this joke language, that is too russian centric and uses too many filthy english words, which dirties the slavic language, we should just return back to our cleaner older languages, in which we would understand each other perfectly fine just with few dialects without learning other useless languages

[@eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2]

As a Belarusian, I love the concept of Interslavic.

[@voyagersquaremuzika]

Ja sam iz Hrvatske ,razumijem oba jezika ali Old church Slavonic je bliži hrvatskom,gotovo isti jezik! :)

[@zo9925]

now compere Polish & OCS & Interslavic.

[@hyperborean114]

As Bulgarian i better understand old Bulgarian "Old Church Slavonic"

[@berzengi1]

интерславик получился с нелогично сильным уклоном в западно славянские языки. хотя достаточно посмотреть число говорящих на различных славянских зыках и становится ясно на какой базе надо развивать межславянский язык ( я не славянин)

[@amjan]

Nah, I dont think this is true. It is because the West Slavic languages have retained the most original Slavic features that exist is Old Eastern and Old South Slavic languages.

[@HeroManNick132]

Създателят нему е чех, така че няма от какво да се учудваш!

[@berzengi1]

@@HeroManNick132 похоже это и есть причина

[@berzengi1]

@@amjan это не так, особенно в случае с чешским

[@sergejj200]

Создателями междуславянского языка являются хорват и голландец, изучавший польскую филологию. А так мне лично язык понятен, хоть на нем и не говорю

[@foxmulder7616]

You can tell they were originally vedic people's.. tri, catur, panch, chey, sat, etc etc same basic words as Hindi.

[@modmaker7617]

Yeah, Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranic peoples are very similar linguistically.

[@PolishSound]

Similarly, we can say that the Vedic language comes from the Slavs ;) The more that according to the Vedas (in Slavic we have the word "WIEDZA") the Aryans came from the north, they knew snow, etc. However, in some respects, the Vedas and the Avesta are more similar to Latin, eg in words like "raja" and "rex", or "Maha", "Magus" and Latin Magnum, Maximus, cxy Greek Mega. .SEriously, they just share a common genesis. Greetings:)

[@ruralsquirrel5158]

The Indo-Europeans brought the language from the North into India, and not the other way around.

[@Kuningaz93]

​@@ruralsquirrel5158those fools will still believe in out of India theory

[@AnarXian]

The Vedics insist that we share a common mother.