Old OPEN FRAMED LIFT (with MANY camera angles!)

With SO MANY CAMERA ANGLES which one I have I missed?!! Quality not Quantity prevails!
The voiceover at the start explains!!
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09:16 - What happened last time I found an unlocked motor room:
• Why is MrMatt so ANGRY...

[@misterwint]

A great lift. Very graceful! Can't wait for the motor room.

[@pomonabill220]

Pretty ritzy place with all the gorgeous wood paneling and polished brass hardware!

[@Rainbowgamer1]

It’s Cool How The Doors Open Like A Traditional Door. Great Video

[@qeelevators2960]

I can’t wait for the motor room video!!!

[@psirvent8]

And for the counterweight, indeed some lifts do have a small, cylindrical counterweight that runs in a small separate shaft. French lift engineers actually call them "Torpedoes" (#🚀😜) This lift appears to have a "Torpedo" counterweight, the only part of the video where you can see it is the very beginning, from 0:06 to 0:21 on the bottom left. We can see two rusty steel ropes and the smaller, triangle-shaped shaft doesn't have any light in it so MrMatt did use his own torch to illuminate it for the video. I think we can safely say that there is not one but instead TWO missing views: The actual motor room (That is on the BOTTOM, as the top is indeed a sheave room) but also more importantly a better and more detailed look at the torpedo counterweight in its separate shaft.

[@Ragnar8504]

In German they're called "bombs". When I was around 14 or maybe even younger I spent some time in an old house's back garden and always wondered what that weird rumbling noise in that timber box running from slightly above the lawn all the way to the roof was. At some point I realised the sound always came when the original lift was moving and one day when the lift went all the way to the top floor I actually saw the bottom of that torpedo peek out of the enclosure!

[@xmatthewlive6542]

Can’t wait to see part 2!

[@psirvent8]

Same !

[@38911bytefree]

impressive work Matt as usual. Crazy amount of camera angles. Nice lift ... it deserves it. Waiting part 2 !!!!

[@Dogappel]

its chay

[@DanielMeakin1]

I love lifts like this that are old and have Carter

[@hariranormal5584]

THATS ONE beautiful cab. GLASS, it elevates so slow gentle subtle it just is actually something beautiful

[@MeriaDuck]

That's a cute one, for a lift. The open frame is awesome. I'd probably try to race it from the stairs, but it goes quite swiftly and I'd risk breaking and ankle :-)

[@psirvent8]

EDIT: After re-watching the video multiples times I may finally have come to the right conclusion: The "motor room" (With "Machinerie Ascenseur" on the sign) at the 6th floor from 8:42 to 9:39 is indeed a sheave room and not a motor room. (Don't know why this particular *hotel* decided to call it a "Motor Room" and not a "Sheave Room" though...) This may explain why first there is a red stop button next to the light switch on the wall (Required by French law in sheave rooms but not in motor rooms) and second we don't hear much noise when the lift is close from the top floor but we definitely hear motor sounds when the lift approches the pit. Also most motor rooms have their lights on the same circuit as the shaft lights that is connected to a latching relay and you have a momentary push button in the motor room (Along with another one in the pit), not a standard light switch that stays in its position like in this case. So impatient for the part 2 to come...

[@mikejohnson6737]

Ummm, that's the whole point. He's asking what is missing, which is the motor room...that what part 2 is for, to show that. So the motor room is missing, but will be part 2.

[@Lift.Tracker]

Amazing video as always! The premiere was great! :-)

[@AlanoItaliano]

Great as always, watched almost all of Your videos 👍 keep up 💪

[@SamSitar]

nice elevator in a hotel or office building.

[@amandak2242]

Super video!!!

[@razgo8738]

Nice work!

[@keith800]

No counter waight, they sometimes run the counter waight down a nearby shafts behind what looks like cupboard doors with some of these old staircase lifts.

[@38911bytefree]

Wondering the same. My guess is that lift was constructed on a super tight space that even a counterweight will render the space useless. I feared for a minute it was an hydrahulic ( = boring). but them seen two cables. Would be crazy to see the counterweight on another place rather than the shaft .. but ... why not ?. Another thing took my atention is one of the angles when it comes to the bottom of the pit the sound of the motor got a bit louder ?. Like a VFD carrier sound. But it soendt look like the motor room is at ground level ...

[@BenDeSwert666]

@@38911bytefree the motor room is most likely in the basement. Cables go up, but diverted back down above the shaft in what's called a "pulley room" also, chances are the counter weight is in a separate shaft, to save space for more car room. We have a couple of these in our arsenal here in Antwerp :)

[@TamasH87]

The bottom left corner of the intro part of the video might be worth watching again :D

[@Alexis_du_60]

@@BenDeSwert666 that or it's a bottom drive elevator/lift, unless those two are the same thing.

[@grieferpolizei4948]

You can see that two ropes are going up from the lift car into the ceiling. Four ropes are going down into the basement / bottom of shaft. So probably the counterweight is in a nearby wall. On the top of the lift is probably only a pulley room. The motor is unter the lift. Sometimes the motor room can also be under the stairs if the building has no basement. The counterweight is probably in the right wall of the staircase. When you look as 5:20 in the video you can see that this wall is not right angel like the left wall.

[@greggyd321]

Very cool video!

[@vancouverelevators_transit]

0:19 MrMatt: there is one thing missing from this montage Me: The intro!

[@mrmattandmrchay]

Was supposed to suggest "the motor room" is missing lol

[@vancouverelevators_transit]

@@mrmattandmrchay lol

[@hariranormal5584]

Wow. I remember watching you in 2014 :p

[@oreoofficial97]

Thanks :D

[@williamgriffith1607]

That missing thing was THE MOTOR ROOM or as we Americans call it The Machine Room

[@DatamasterCorporation]

Americans say both

[@qeelevators2960]

Yes

[@Alexis_du_60]

IIRC on those old staircase units the motor room was on the bottom, though I've seen one with the motor on the top of the shaft with the control boxes at ground level.

[@pandabaerhellas]

There is a motor in the machine room ;-) or better a machine in the motor room? 🤣

[@phallusmare3931]

Youre not american then!

[@AKAIGXF71]

Super!!!

[@foundouthowtochangeytnameb1997]

Great video, must’ve been a lot of work to get those angles. Stay safe Matt!

[@mrmattandmrchay]

Thanks, yes and alot of time to get those angles, but makes an interesting video!

[@psirvent8]

Epic music starts from 7:47 (#✈️)

[@CindyBradyTooh]

What, no motor room??? THAT is what is missing! I'm glad there's a part two. That was a REALLY lovely lift! :D Only two cables holding it up? (gulp). What about brakes? If the cables snap, does it have breaks to keep your from falling to your death? I love your videos - they are really well done! :) ~Cindy! :)

[@Lift.Tracker]

CindyBradyTooh There definitely would be a brake even if the cables were to snap! It would be rather worrying otherwise! However, even just 1 cable is perfectly adequate to hold the lift! :-)

[@psirvent8]

All lifts are required to have safety gear (Which is basically some sort of wedges under the floor of the car that will lock themselves against the guide rails in case of fall or overspeed on the way down) and a overspeed governor that is attached to the car via a small separate cable and this is the governor that will trip and activate the safety gear.

[@Ragnar8504]

@@psirvent8 Not all vintage lifts have overspeed governors though. Each and every one as brakes though. They were the invention that actually made the lift popular.

[@CrazyPlayer-pf2hv]

Hi.

[@ag6371]

Reminds me about the elevator in Hotel Cravat in Luxembourg

[@DennisG95]

A Great way to enjoy my loneliness. Very Greater Video. Keep it Up😍

[@SamSitar]

that looks like a hotel. nice being to see where the lift is when the floor number changes.

[@psirvent8]

This IS indeed a hotel. See all the door handles with card readers (Even on the seave room at the 6th floor) and the room numbers ? Also you can see from 0:51 on the left of the lift another wooden door with "Bagagerie" marked on it. (BTW Bagagerie is the french for Luggage Room)

[@dykodesigns]

The counterweight is absent. The shaft is very narrow indeed. Judging by the size of the floor tiles the depth of the cab is about 60cm. 3 persons would be a tight squeeze!

[@pomonabill220]

or very cozy and friendly!

[@Alexis_du_60]

Typical of old Parisian elevators/lifts, I'm no claustrophobic but I certainly would not dare going in one of these!

[@psirvent8]

This lift does indeed have a counterweight but hidden in a separate shaft. You can see it from 0:06 to 0:21 on the very bottom left corner.

[@idl3k_elev]

Excellent editing! That ascenseur is totally beautiful even if it has been modernized. Wonder if it was originally a Schindler as well? Of course I know what's missing here....L M R !! Will definitely put this on my "bucket" list of my liked videos haha :P

[@psirvent8]

I have already put this hotel on my "bucket list" of lifts to surf since I'm French. This will be a new one for me. The only problem is that I don't know where it is ): (Most likely Paris but god this city is so big ! There are so many hotels after all...)

[@qeelevators2960]

The 1 dislike is the security watching this.

[@mrmattandmrchay]

lol!

[@qeelevators2960]

Yay I got to be the 200th like

[@jooden9048]

Not going to lie, but I feel like some old lifts are extremely quiet. A lift at a place where I study used to have 1980s Otis, but then was recently modernized with a blue button Otis generic. I visited the motor room and realized that the newer unit is extremely loud on their start sounds (jolt), and the jolt is worthless due to a new lift whirring noise (blind VF if I'm not mistaken). Is it normal for more modern modernized lifts to have a loud jolt on blind VFs? And another thing I felt like this lift is insecure is the main switch. In the motor room, there is a cabinet with a power isolator labelled with "on" and "off". When I switched it to "off", I went down to look at the indicator and saw that it's still lit. I waited for 10 minutes, but then the lift still has the indicator lights on. Is this a safety issue or I just don't know how to switch it off? The lift also has no backup battery, I've already checked it in the shaft.

[@ZZ9ProductionsOFFICIAL]

nice to know there's plenty of room in that lift! How did you get the view looking straight down the shaft from seemingly the underside of the lift?

[@psirvent8]

He probably attached a GoPro camera on the bottom of the car

[@psirvent8]

@VERNONBLVJSCSONAVUNE On the 7 train and 6 train By going down the pit with the cab just above

[@ag6371]

1:49 are these roller switches limit switches?

[@psirvent8]

Yes

[@bilibilylylyl889]

Please. Revisit the derelict elevators of car park no 5

[@stumpybear60]

No counter weight? or is it hidden? Only one cable. No floor chimes. Beautiful lift and so quiet.

[@psirvent8]

Good thing it dœsn't have any of those crappy chimes or voices. And the counterweight is in fact hidden in a separate shaft, you can see it from 0:06 to 0:21 on the bottom left corner.

[@pomonabill220]

It looks like the micro switches are used to detect each floor and for leveling? What are the vanes used for then?

[@ag6371]

The roller switches are for the upper and lower limits and stops the elevator when flipped. The vanes are for turning the floor selector

[@uzaiyaro]

Modern lifts don't have a floor selector of any kind whatsoever. It's all electronic. The magnetic tape (usually it's made up of a sheet metal tape with magnets placed around each floor) with the blue magnet sensor takes the place of the floor selector, and this is used for floor levelling. The roller switches are the limit switches at either end of the shaft, and there are usually either three or four of them. One or two slow down switches, a normal limit, and a final limit switch. The two slow downs are self-explanatory, they tell the motor to begin to slow down for a nice soft landing at the end floor of travel. A normal limit switch is used as feedback to ensure that the magnetic tape is being read correctly, and as part of the relearn procedure explained in a bit. A final limit switch is an emergency cutout, it should never be actuated by a functioning controller. This is useful for instances where something has caused the controller to crash while the lift is in motion, and in order to prevent the lift from driving itself into the floor or the roof and causing serious injury, it's meant to be a last resort switch that electrically cuts power and slams the brakes on. The final limit switch kills the controller dead, interrupting the power completely, thus releasing the brake release contactor, bringing the lift to a halt rather abruptly. You will definitely know about it if you ever hit the final limit switch. It will also not allow the controller to restart, because quite a few things had to go wrong to cause the thing to hit the finals in the first place. If you ever see a lift on the top or bottom floor, but having gone a fair bit past the last floor, it's probably sitting on the final limit switch. Old lifts needed floor selectors because it was the only way for the lift to know where it was inside the shaft after a power failure, because the logic depended on things like latching relays to provide and/or logic. Modern lifts eschew this completely, and this is where the magnetic tape comes in to play. In the event of a power failure, or the controller crashing, something like that, they have a relearn procedure. The controller may not know exactly where the lift is after it restarts, so it will run the lift blindly - usually at levelling speed - until it hits the limit switches in one direction. It will then run the lift in the other direction, until it hits those limit switches. If what the controller reads on the magnetic tape makes sense to what has been programmed into it, it will put the lift back into service. Both of these systems rely on each other in order for the lift to know where it is, to provide feedback that the magnetic tape is working correctly, as a failsafe in case controller fails in some way, and to perform the floor relearn procedure if something causes the controller to forget where the lift is. I hope this helps a little. I'm not a lift engineer, just someone who's interested in engineering like this, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt. I'm open to correction, but I'm fairly confident this is generally how it all works.

[@Ragnar8504]

@@uzaiyaro Neat! I know precious little about modern lift controls, except they're more or less all solid-state! All the lifts I've played with used fairly ancient controls, including an all-mechanical floor selector from 1901!

[@ag6371]

Did you find the bottom machine room unlocked?

[@psirvent8]

I hope he did

[@thugjug3799]

Scary lifts. when i was around 3 years old i almost fell on the shaft of an cage lift . The lift door was not locked when The lift was on The upper floor. And around 1 month later, The cage lift doors were modernized, and The lift was maintained. I still think that Day on My head. P.S lift was KONE i think.

[@mrmattandmrchay]

Wow, lucky then. It should be that if the gate lock is not engaged, it prevents the lift from moving.

[@pandabaerhellas]

Counterweight hidden or drum operated.... Hidden in a seperate shaft i guess. Two ropes are enough for this smart car... Loveley

[@psirvent8]

No drum but bottom drive and the counterweight is indeed hidden in a separate shaft. You can see it at the very beginning of the video from 0:06 to 0:21 in the bottom left corner.

[@hugo2007df]

0:26 Any link to download that sound? Or how can i find that "ding"? I wan't it as message tone. Thanks.

[@mrmattandmrchay]

Send me an email and I'll send it to you - [e-mail]

[@hugo2007df]

@@mrmattandmrchay Thanks for your answer. I'll send it to you.

[@hugo2007df]

@@mrmattandmrchay Hi, i've already sent you an e-mail. Did you received it?

[@samuellourenco1050]

Where is the counterweight?

[@psirvent8]

Hidden in a separate shaft from 0:06 to 0:21

[@samuellourenco1050]

@@psirvent8 Well observed! I though it was a winding drum system, or something similar. The shaft seems to be located in a corner of the staircase, hidden by the 45° wall.

[@MichaelAStanhope]

looks like a bottom drive winding drum. no counterweight and looks like the cables for the lift come from the bottom of the shaft.

[@jimmiller6933]

I think so too.

[@psirvent8]

Bottom drive yes but winding drum probably not as this lift does in fact have a counterweight (That is hidden in a separate shaft though). You can see it from 0:06 to 0:21 bottom left corner.

[@ag6371]

@@psirvent8At 5:02 if you look at the top right corner, there is a slot where the cables come out from the machine room, so that means *it is a winding drum*

[@ag6371]

Where is the controller? Upstairs or downstairs?

[@psirvent8]

Downstairs as the "motor room" on the 6th floor is actually a sheave room for a bottom-drive lift.

[@ag6371]

Why do we hear the motor at the pit instead of above?

[@psirvent8]

Because the motor room is actually under the pit, the room at the 6th floor only being a sheave room.

[@LiftyGamez]

Wait I didn't see the counterweight in the shaft where was it hidden?

[@psirvent8]

You can see it from 0:06 to 0:21 bottom left corner but I agree a more detailed look at this part of the lift would be appreciable. So there is in fact not only one but actually TWO missing views: The motor room but also more importantly THE TORPEDO COUNTERWEIGHT and its shaft... (#🚀😜)

[@LiftyGamez]

@@psirvent8 I know that it is shown in the intro, but when he was doing the full view from the cartop the counterweight was nowhere in sight

[@rarleyposting5546]

You are missing the elevator machine room

[@mrmattandmrchay]

exactly!! Part 2 coming soon

[@psirvent8]

Not only that though, we also want a more detailed look at the thing that you can see from 0:06 to 0:21 on the bottom left corner ;)

[@ag6371]

Are there 2 machine rooms?

[@grieferpolizei4948]

A G probably a pulley room to join counterweight and car ropes on the top. And a motor room with the actual motor on the bottom.

[@psirvent8]

@@grieferpolizei4948 You're absolutely right, the "motor room" at the top is actually a sheave room as this lift is indeed a bottom-drive one. Don't know why they call it a "Machinerie" though...

[@peterlomas984]

I know whats missing and i also know where it is.

[@Lift.Tracker]

Peter Lomas Hey, you used to work for Express didn’t you? I have a video of a 26 floor 70s Express lift in London! Please check it out if you’re interested! It’s really surprising that it’s survived! Thanks. :-)

[@ag6371]

Is this winding drum?

[@grieferpolizei4948]

A G probably not because you can see two ropes going from the car up the shaft and four going down the shaft next to the car. So the counterweight joins the cars ropes on the top. The counterweight itself is probably in its own shaft so that the car can be bigger.

[@psirvent8]

No it's probably not as there is indeed a counterweight in its own shaft that you can see from 0:06 to 0:21 on the very bottom left corner.

[@ag6371]

@@grieferpolizei4948 EDIT--- It *is* a winding drum as there is a slot in the pit

[@patrickwigmore3462]

Did we see a sneak peek of the missing thing in this video? :) I think I spotted a clue to its whereabouts, but perhaps that's not the right angle to take for storeys like this. Something to a void.

[@mrmattandmrchay]

With the second part not complete yet, you either wait months for my videos, or i release them in parts and they are slightly more frequent. I chose the latter.

[@patrickwigmore3462]

​@@mrmattandmrchay I think you may have misread my tone. I was being slightly cryptic and probably making a fool of myself in the process. :) I've no complaint about your release schedule.

[@ernestmccollum2397]

@@mrmattandmrchay Quality, not quantity!!

[@mrmattandmrchay]

@@patrickwigmore3462 Oh I see, sorry! Yes I think I did take it the wrong way! Sometimes people complain about the cliff hangers, but they are there on purpose for a couple of reasons. I thought "something to avoid" (but you mean a VOID as in a passage) :D Sorry about that!

[@patrickwigmore3462]

​@@mrmattandmrchay Sorry for the misunderstanding! I made other cryptic references too, but I'm not sure whether they were to the correct 'missing thing'. We will all have to weight and see!

[@ag6371]

If the original controller was there, the display would flicker when changing

[@juniorni]

No counterweight??

[@psirvent8]

Yes there is in fact a counterweight but it is hidden in a separate thaft that you can see from 0:06 to 0:21 on the very bottom left.

[@abpsd73]

Counterweight in a separate shaft?

[@grieferpolizei4948]

abpsd73 yes if you look at 5:20 you can see that the wall on the right is not right angled like the wall on the left. Also you can see two ropes going up the lift into the ceiling and four coming down on the right hand side of the shaft. So the ropes from the counterweight needs to join the lift ropes from the right top side (video as point of view). This is actually the same side where the not right angled wall is. The ropes go then down the shaft and around the motor on the bottom of the shaft / basement. The counterweight should probably be cylindrical and look similar the the weights used on railways to stretch the overhead contact wire.

[@ag6371]

@GrieferPolizei I can't wait for Part 2 this mechanism is very interesting

[@psirvent8]

Yes, you can even see it from 0:06 to 0:21 bottom left corner.

[@helgelarsen4850]

you teeaser....... nice lift, tho. In France, I believe. Was this a pure winch? I can not see that there was a counterweight in the shaft.

[@psirvent8]

Take a look from 0:06 to 0:21 bottom left corner

[@helgelarsen4850]

@@psirvent8 Yes, I can see there is some kind of weight, but it is in a seperate concrete shaft. Maybe outside the building? Can't wait untill next part...

[@LaPatateDouce]

No motor room...

[@psirvent8]

Not in this video... Wait for part 2...

[@wenli7522]

123... hummm Ok 78?... 787!

[@pomonabill220]

"small lift..." ! How would I get my 8 foot sofa up to my room then?!?!?

[@psirvent8]

Remember that this particular building is actually a hotel, not a block of flats and you usually don't bring your sofa at hotels ;)

[@pomonabill220]

@@psirvent8 WHHHHAAATTTT????? I ALWAYS bring my sofa AND hide a bed!

[@Polemox47]

Stay safe and stay home because of SARS-CoV-2 💪🏻

[@ag6371]

He went there before lockdown

[@Polemox47]

@@ag6371 sure, it was just a tip for these hard times ;)