Old Roman chant - Tecum Principium

[@rafael6421]

I was supposed to find those treasures every time I go to the church, but I have to go to youtube, can't believe this

[@anthonyrusso8828]

I love this Roman Catholic music,hello my brothers and sisters and God bless us all in this troubling times.

[@Tamtumergo]

Regardless of the origins of this music, it was certainly inspired by God. This chant made my heart and soul tremble with joy and happiness and my eyes are surrounded by tears of deep peace.

[@justanotherlikeyou]

This sounds so much like Orthodox Christian chant. In fact, it sounds almost identical in tone to when the chant is sung for Holy Communion during the Divine Liturgy at my Church, which is an Antiochian Orthodox Church. Beautiful!

[@christianriddler5063]

Many songs were written before the schism, the similarity is probably not by chance.

[@rapaheln7116]

Vontade incontrolável de dar Glória a Deus enquanto ouço esse cântico maravilhoso!

[@phaulsgawds9945]

***********Vontade incontrolável de dar Glória a Deus enquanto ouço esse cântico maravilhoso! Uncontrollable desire to give Glory to God while listening to this wonderful song! To which of the 10,000+ gods mankind has worshipped are you giving glory too? And how do you demonstrate that this god you worship exists in our reality? A qual dos mais de 10.000 deuses que a humanidade adorou você está dando glória também? E como você demonstra que esse deus que você adora existe em nossa realidade?

[@phaulsgawds9945]

@Christus Vincit Christus Regnat Christus Imperat *********by the simple fact that He is INNATE (Father) BEGOTTEN AND NOT CREATED (Son) and HE WHO GIVES LIFE AND PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER A PRIORI AND THE SON IN COMMUNION, and together with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified (Holy Spirit) So, basically, all assertions with no good convincing evidence to support them…correct? You are just regurgitating the mythology you were taught from the cradle (assuming you are like the vast majority of believers) so you take it as gospel (pun intended), correct? There is NO good convincing evidence that your god, or any gods, exist in our reality. There is no more reason to believe YOUR god claims than there is to believe the muslims’, the hindus’ the pagans’ etc… None of you can demonstrate the truth of your god claims… “that which is given without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”…. Do better….

[@phaulsgawds9945]

@Christus Vincit Christus Regnat Christus Imperat **********no dude, it's not good evidence no, good evidence is being an idiot So, when one does not have any good arguments, they resort to name-calling… **********show me which of the other gods has the primordial Omnipotence of the Living God Again with the baseless claims… your god is a mythological being… that is all he is. There is NO good convincing evidence that he or any of the other gods exist. what the eff does ‘primordial omnipotence’ mean? Word salad my friend… nothing you can prove… just more assertions… *********No heathen god has such depth in relation to the Lord of lords, or will you say that Allah, H'shem, Brahma and other so-called gods have all this depth? What ‘depth’ are you referring to? Your vague allusions don’t convey any meaning… I cannot read your deluded little mind, so perhaps some help here?? **********It also proves to me that only matter is necessary for the existence of something Are you sure that is what you are really wanting to write?? hahahaha ***********You have to be pretty brainless to fall for this farce of yours I haven’t made any claims… so I am not sure what you are referring to. I said there is no evidence for the existence of any gods… what farce am I supposedly expounding or falling for? How old are you? How is it that you cannot convey your thoughts in a clear manner?

[@phaulsgawds9945]

@Christus Vincit Christus Regnat Christus Imperat *********when you prove to me that matter alone is enough and chance that did everything, you come here to talk about your "genius theses" I never claimed anything like what you commented above. I asked for your evidence to back up your claims about this god you believe in exists… you claim all sorts of things for this seemingly mythological being and yet you cannot demonstrate that it exists. Assertions/assumptions/claims are NOT sufficient to warrant belief, unless one was raised from the cradle to believe, just like many kids believe in a real Santa… the only difference is, since adults don’t believe in Santa, eventually the child figures it out… but in the world of religion, the adults do believe in ‘Santa’ so the kids do not grow out of the false belief…. Just because you cannot understand the science does not mean the science is incorrect. Science has a very good understanding and explanation of how most of everything happened… there are a few gaps in our knowledge…true… the beginning of the universe and the beginning of life… however, you have NOTHING but stories and mythology. Nothing you can demonstrate is real/true. You have nothing different from any other religion that claims a creator god/dess… you only have more of it because your religion was lucky enough to spread for farther and longer than most others… mostly by forced conversion… so there is that, but the claims are really no different.

[@phaulsgawds9945]

@Christus Vincit Christus Regnat Christus Imperat πολλές λέξεις σαλάτα και κανένα νόημα

[@christianriddler5063]

This is so beautiful that it brings tears to my eyes.

[@christianfreedom-seeker2025]

I am amazed that singers STILL EXIST that can sing these!!!

[@vincentlittrell6845]

Wow! Enchanting indeed. I'm on a self tour of a history book of Western music...and the Tecum Principium is described (Psalm 109:4). The different kinds of chants discussed are very enjoyable to listen to...so glad I can find this music here.

[@vincentlittrell6845]

Correction to above...this is an antiphon to Psalm 109:4 at Vespers on Christmas Day according to the book I'm going through.

[@antoinevandroux4077]

Magnifique, ça prend aux tripes! gloria in excelsis deo!

[@Callixtinus]

Tecum princípium in díe virtútis túae: in splendóribus sanctórum, ex útero ante lucíferum génui te. Díxit Dóminus Dómino méo: Séde a déxtris méis: donec pónam inimícos túos, scabéllum pédum tuórum. ~ With Thee is the principality in the day of Thy strength: in the brightness of the saints, from the womb before the day star I begot Thee. The Lord said to my Lord: Sit Thou at My right hand until I make Thy enemies Thy footstool.

[@jonathanbarnes3061]

Thank you for interpretation and inspiration.🕊 🪔 📜 🛡

[@Callixtinus]

I just re-checked disk info. As it appears, the title is: Chant de l'Eglise de Rome (VIe - XIIIe Siècles) So, both points are valid. The pieces themselves seem to date back to the 6th century, but were constantly being chanted in the old roman way, according to the prevailing style of each era up to the 13th century

[@Callixtinus]

@KittenButter : Tecum princípium in díe virtútis túae: in splendóribus sanctórum, ex útero ante lucíferum génui te. Díxit Dóminus Dómino méo: Séde a déxtris méis: donec pónam inimícos túos, scabéllum pédum tuórum.

[@GollySwoggles]

Love the lead vocalist in this, but what really gets me is the melismatic, bass like, background vocals

[@coemgenus6251]

It is the voice of Marcel Peres, the director of Ensemble Organum.

[@littlecatholicman]

I love Mors Principium Est, they're one of my favorite bands.

[@treblinska]

all this is so wonderfull. starting with...The Gradual of Eleanor of Brittany.. thankyou for arranging it

[@SakranMM]

This is beautiful...very similar to Byzantine chant of the Orthodox Church; of course, at the time that this was composed, East and West were united.

[@dickybryan3709]

This is good for meditation

[@drfenderfunk]

They learned and memorized this music without any sheet music! That is insane!

[@GoldenRatio]

My favourite chant by Ensemble Organum.

[@Callixtinus]

"Death is the beginning".

[@223556happy]

Une merveille.

[@hulkpalmerense1]

muito loco.... fantastico!

[@Cherubicon]

This kind of chant is comparable to Byzantine chant, which you can still hear in many Orthodox Churches today (especially Greek, Antiochian, and Romanian churches.)

[@irvingsamsonsmithdeanda9126]

In fact, the old Roman chant is heir to the Eastern Roman influence in the West, musically speaking, from the Eastern Roman chant (i.e. Byzantine chant). Blessings and greetings, from an Antiochian Orthodox Christian.

[@Booterfold]

Any one else here from the channel that posted the Margret Sanger interview's playlists

[@eugeniopapini]

La potenza del Verbo e della musica

[@ninochietera6126]

musica dal fascino e dai misteri più profondi

[@Moffeliten]

Absolutely. I listen to this chant when I meditate

[@cajunclassic]

You can tell that we were once one Church before the great schism. If you listen to Eastern Orthadox Church you will see that the Christian Chants of old were exactly the same with the exception of languages. Latin + Greek + Hebrew Gregorian + Byzantine Pray that we may be one Church again!

[@sjuli17]

Some of the ancient latin chant is plainer, but not all! And one of the old Roman chant's main characteristics are the long, long melismas - much longer than in gregorian chant, but the main line of the melody is the same. As for the time of origin: true, the sources with notes are from later centuries, but a) we know if a piece existed from those sources that have only the text b) musicologists can guess a lot from the stile of the piece. This type-melody for graduales is considered very old

[@yabba234]

With Thee is the principality in the day of Thy strength: in the brightness of the saints, from the womb before the day star I begot Thee. The Lord said to my Lord: Sit Thou at My right hand until I make Thy enemies Thy footstool.

[@alchemybyangela]

Thy enemies are presently being made thy footstools. 🙏

[@Waldvogel91]

This music is quite literally enchanting. If anyone could point me in the direction of some notation, I would be very grateful.

[@dacelialmonte4516]

can someone please tell me who's the composer of this piece

[@willamnyregalado]

JAJAJAJAAJJAJA HOLA

[@renascencewoman]

thanks. i haven't heard this since college. plainsong is the best!

[@aakashsurya]

Calllixtinus, Thank you very much for posting all these beautiful chants on KZbin. Could you kindly post the translation of the Latin words to this chant? Thank you very much!

[@endeavourer]

@NormbrettaMod some of us understand it well, especially if you regularly attend a mass in that language

[@Callixtinus]

@Gunnar123abc : Typically the middle ages began with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the deposition of Romulus Augustulus by Odoacer. That would put their beginning historically at 476 AD.

[@Callixtinus]

@vanitasxx : Thanks, but it is not my music, I am just posting it. As for the second part of your comment, I would not dare judge you, and I do not presume to know whether God will judge you or not, that is His knowledge alone. Yet I am quite confident He loves everyone; more than we think.

[@crundle1328]

God loves no matter how strong the sin, God loves lucifer even.

[@yabba234]

Tecum princípium in díe virtútis túae: in splendóribus sanctórum, ex útero ante lucíferum génui te. Díxit Dóminus Dómino méo: Séde a déxtris méis: donec pónam inimícos túos, scabéllum pédum tuórum.

[@reformatreformatto5427]

Прыгожы сьпеу, выдатны хор, кананічнае гучанне.

[@DanVilAl]

Actually I wonder how many pictures of the first millennium can be got over there. There seem to be not many on internet. Maybe to use some old mosaics of Italian cities.

[@OmGPalada]

@Kazuyasan9999 That's the view of the philosophers during the Renaissance: Middle Ages equals "Dung Ages", while their own time was "marvelous and everything's pink" (hint: it wasn't as good as they said). This propaganda was adopted without any kind of study by latter men in an attempt to diminish the Middle Ages in various moments, but mainly in an attempt to throw down the Catholic Church and Christianism (ranging from French Rev philosophers to anti-religion groups to communists).

[@Callixtinus]

You send me some relative pictures and I promise to use them.

[@christianriddler5063]

I'm sorry but I have no pictures to send :/.

[@OmGPalada]

@Kazuyasan9999 I'd recommend the reading of the books of Historian Jacques Le Goff and the works of Historian Jerome Baschest, two of the current and living major specialists in the Middle Ages (to cite only two): they clearly show that the Middle Ages had technological development , quite some wealth, and deep philosophical and theological understandings of their own, that reflect up to today. In fact, just for a fun fact, if you like wearing pants or glasses, thanks the Middle Ages for it.

[@Callixtinus]

Next post. ;)

[@Callixtinus]

I just wrote what appears on the CD. Does it really matter is it is from the 6th or the 10th or the 12th century? The embellishments are an interpretational element of the Ensemble's performance, and it might appear that they attune the chant to a later style. There is a chant in byzantine music called "Fos ilaron"-Joyful light, that is considered to be protochristianic and still it is chanted in the modern byzantine style, though the basic line is ancient. Does that make it necessarily modern?

[@weggimbuoe]

I thought polyphonic singing only submerged in the late 10th early 11th century?

[@emmanuelfarmakis6361]

+weggimbuoe I suppose you wanted to say "emerged"? If so, you're right, but don't be confused: this is not polyphonic singing, but ars antiqua plainchant along with a form of "ison", the Byzantine bass drone---which is probably what makes you perceive it as polyphonic.

[@weggimbuoe]

ah, I see. Thank you very much for the respond :)

[@emmanuelfarmakis6361]

weggimbuoe My pleasure, friend. God bless!

[@jgonnerman85]

This definitely sounds like it has Eastern influence. Do you know what the relation is between this form of chant and Eastern forms?

[@johnbarker3673]

This doc said that it was brought to the west by the east. About 25mins in. Interesting watch if anything. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZojKn5SnoJuSmac&ab_channel=TheAcademyofStJuliana

[@Moffeliten]

Is this greek?

[@eliasg.2427]

Latin.

[@asimov231]

what CD has this song? Id like to buy it.

[@dwnk4691]

Callixtinus: I bought the music off of itunes; is there somewhere you can get the 'lyrics' in latin and english? Thanks for posting and God bless!

[@lucianomunoz5579]

Esta musica tiene derechos de autor ? Se puede utilizar para una presentación ? Gracias.

[@Wiligoth]

Why does it sounds so much as the Templar chants?

[@AndreaSPitaim]

Thank you very much for posting this. Do you know if eventually the sheet music for this kind of gregorian interpretation is available anywhere? (I am particularly interested in this Christmas Midnight Mass Gradual Tecum Principium in this Ensemble Organum "façon"). Thanks.

[@CEIVE4EVER]

Is there any work about it?

[@deconteville]

I'm not an authority on these matters, so excuse me if I'm wrong, but I recall that the oldest chants sound Eastern to us because this is just how it was then, even if that's an obvious answers. The chants we know today are reformist, and since Islam came after Christianity, I'm pretty sure it used the standard chanting styles of the day while the Catholic church changed.

[@tylerj26]

Was this really Roman? o.O Doesn't sound like it.. And 6th century isn't quite Medieval, is it..?

[@enzomarchetti1]

Th first part is in bizantine syle and the second in romanic one (my expert daugher says)

[@thewhitefang007]

What kind of chant is this, and where in europe(or elsewhere?) was it recited?

[@emmanuelfarmakis6361]

+thewhitefang007 Since this is an Old Roman chant, it means that it is a Western Byzantine chant (i.e., pre-Schism), sang in Rome (probably Italy in general) during the peak of the Byzantine Empire, but also at a time when the Germanic cultural influences are beginning to become manifest. Greetings, friend, and God bless!

[@mathmusic1490]

One could also note that it is an antiphonal psalm sung in the Gregorian Chants of the Office, I believe.

[@kitiowa]

This really is transitional between the Greek Chant of the first Centuries of Christianity and (to) the Gregorian style that developed in the West. One can hear flavours of what would be Byzantine and what would be Gregorian. It is pretty clear that there has already been a divergence in style between East and West (Greek and Latin) already in the 6th Century. It is also clear that some features of Semitic Liturgical music were still present that has evaporated from both the Byzantine and Gregorian styles.

[@DanVilAl]

"Latino" means "Latin" in Spanish, by the way. We don't use that word anyways, it's been imposed by some smart people in the USA. And yes, it is related! Spanish comes from Latin, if you don't realize...

[@OmGPalada]

@ninjahobo3 The view that Middle Ages was a "dark" age has an origin in the Renascence, and from there on was adopted by other schools of thought, like Historical Materialism (Marxism for History, basically). Other schools, however, hardly ever refer to the Middle Ages as a dark age, except for the "dark" being for the lack of documents for study, leaving historians on the "dark, so to speak. However, unfortunately, Historical Materialism dominates most of the schools, that's why it seems bad.

[@aruvielevenstar3944]

When I hear this kind of music, it makes me weak and melancholic, It takes me away from here to ancient places. I am not a fan of the catholic church or any church at all, but I love this music, can hear it all day long. As a little child I already loved this music and my whole family thought I would be a non and made fun of me.

[@anamalecebeyonder1941]

Like And Love U/Yall xD

[@latinmasschoir5581]

In reference to "sdkudrgn99" below, the schola sing Sanctorum at 1.14 = the plural genitive of the second declension noun "Sanctus" = Holy... Sanctorum; they are not singing "santorum". In reference to "Poke the all seeing eye's" remark - I find it amazing that modern day listeners wax lyrically about "paganism" and Latin and the "Holy Catholic Roman Church", when they are devoid of an understanding our European culture and history because they CAN'T SPEAK or READ ECCLESIASTIC LATIN of ATTICA GREEK. In short these people are cultural ignoramuses, shooting and typing their loud comments from very "ignorant" hips.

[@SATMathReview1234]

Latin Mass Choir I have never been to a proper sung Latin mass before.

[@dockrrrk]

A response to Ceive4ever. When the Edict of Milan (ad 312) was promulgated throughout the Roman Empire by the Emperor Constantine, granting Christianity toleration and thus an equal footing with the pagan religions of the Empire, the tide rapidly shifted to the ascendancy of Christianity during the fourth century. By the end of the century, as you point out, the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the state religion. And in ad 529 the Emperor Justinian closed The Academy, and other philosophical schools, in Athens. By that time paganism was moribund in the Empire, but not in the pagan lands of Northern Europe. The Scandinavian lands, for example, did not convert to Christianity until the tenth century.

[@acerb4566]

Scandinavia & The Celtic Lands. ..We converted. But, our old way lives on in the misty forest modern men fear to know. Afraid of the ways of the old ones. But, with Jesus by our side, with Odin standing guard, we of the North are quite happy. (I am anyway!). Jesus be praised! Holy Saint Mary, be praised! Goddess Freyja be praised! Goddess Brighid be praised!......Welcome to the northern woods my friend!

[@Smoug]

interesting... so you consider yourself both pagan and catholic? or are you like me and see the sacred expresed in all humans symbols?

[@Hierophant111]

absolute heresy

[@acerb4566]

Why arent modern bibles as artistic & beautiful like the ancient bibles were? ..We must bring the ancient Monks back to life!

[@obi-wankenobi9200]

acerb45666555 I agree, and with the technology we have today, we should be able to reproduce an illuminated Bible very fast, and in large numbers. Why they don't? I don't know for sure, but more than likely costs and perhaps a lack of interest from the general public.

[@SATMathReview1234]

Destroy modernism

[@kitiowa]

The Bible has lost it's sanctity in our Anglo-Protestant culture. People treat bibles as personal self help pulp reading. They carry them around and take pride in how dog eared they have become. Mass producing art is approaching the realm of oxymoron. Illuminated Bibles are meant to be special rather than mundane. They should serve their purpose in the liturgy with reverence. Think of television "Christian" going at a precious sacred illuminated Bible with their yellow highlighter.

[@Moffeliten]

Because it took the monks several years before one book could be finished

[@ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΗΖΩΗ]

Αποτείχιση η μόνη οδός σωτηρίας.

[@vanitasxx]

Dominus Callixtino musica tua gregoriana mihi placet congaudeamus Dominum sed me Deus amabit quamquam homosexualis sum?

[@Smoug]

quemquam Deus amat, vel Deus non est.

[@mp6471]

Psalm 110 (109)

[@glenngeeful]

It's The Truth

[@CEIVE4EVER]

That's true, but I make to my own that question because the christianity was very influenced by paganism, even repleaced many gods attributes to their saints. Nowadays some scholars think that before Constantine, and even after,population was still pagan for the most part. Today we don't know pagan hyms because since Theodosius that religion was persecuted. That's a pity, we can't compare both styles, and we can't study as well as we want the clasical world.

[@obi-wankenobi9200]

CEIVE4EVER The Roman population was mainly pagan before Constantine because of the recorded persecutions that were on and off throughout the years. Though Christianity was banned in the Empire, they were given breaks and can congregate in the Catacombs (as granted to all by Roman law) then at other times, they were hunted down, even in the Catacombs. So it really depended on the Emperor's feeling towards Christianity. The Roman Empire still remained pagan even after Constantine, but Constantine made Christianity legal and it wasn't until a few emperors later that Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

[@vanitasxx]

@MsIvantheterrible refuso adire tibi

[@sadiccorpus4508]

i was born at the wrong time, i know it...

[@pervisibilia]

The pictures have no relation with this chant. Almost come from the gothic age!

[@CEIVE4EVER]

Maybe Pagan hymns would sound like this?

[@acerb4566]

this sounds very Serbian style!

[@DanVilAl]

what?

[@Kazuyasan9999]

@OmGPalada I thought they were called the Dark Ages cause after the collapse of Rome, Europe plunged into poverty, clan warfare, and superstition.

[@PepperoniWolf]

sanctorum

[@ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΗΖΩΗ]

Is Orthodox Hymn...

[@phaulsgawds9945]

***********Is Orthodox Hymn... That is incorrect... this is BEFORE the schism... neither the Catholic nor the Orthodox (with a C and O) existed at that point... they were sill ONE church... so 'Orthodox' is incorrect. This chant is catholic and orthodox, in the 'universal' and 'right opinion' meaning of those words... not as identifiers as the two denominations that originated after the schism.

[@MrBGans1982]

Technically, this is "Dark Age" Latin-Roman Catholicism Chant. Templar paganism and Roman Catholicism are essentially one in the same.

[@galegocossia4495]

+Poke the all seeing eye Tecnicamente, tu és lixo humano!

[@kitiowa]

Twaddle! You are centuries off in your calculation to start with. The "Dark Age" came hundreds of years after this piece, as did the Templars. Templars were the very antithesis of Paganism. Catholicism and Paganism are quintessentially opposite terms! I would not be in the least surprised if you would not be able to identify the words by their definitions.

[@vonmecklinburg]

yes this is Latin and the Spanish call there singing latin they have no right.. is should be Spanish or Latino but not latin.. not even related

[@TheHelladood]

Sounds POSITIVELY middle-eastern. Not at all a vibe I would connect to the vatican in europe

[@r0zesefid]

sounds like the Iranian and Arabic religious songs! this is wierd .... !!!!!!

[@TheTeKuZa]

Arabs invented the word 'religion', otherwise it will be considered one of many christian heretics

[@rustemkaz8717]

good song latinos

[@Moffeliten]

It's not a song. It's a chant

[@richardrivera3065]

remove the boring depressing religious vision from it keep it spartans and templars video styles

[@obi-wankenobi9200]

Richard Rivera That "boring depression religious vision" is what makes up the style. The Templars were a Catholic order and the Spartans had nothing like the style. Like asking Country music to take out the Country and add in the Rock.

[@dariogalic3662]

No, no..